Micro 1063: Even-Odd Killers | Game Over

[Enchant]

Counterclaim Idiot

VOTE: Galron

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I am Jester

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VOTE: Enchant

On second thought, I'd like this more.

Enchant is rarely a good d1 lim. I don’t see why he’s scummy?

You saying it like i am good d2-4 elim. bruh

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who are those people who know me but i don't know them

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who are those people who know me but i don't know them

Hydra of Radical Rat and Nancy Drew 39, you know us!

I thought I had our sig set to show that, I'll fix it after work

Ah i see

Who are other 37 rats then

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I am happy with Galron vote btw.

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SK probably will not claim "I didn't roll SK". It's kinda tempting fate.

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Meg probably should be punched as well

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Meg probably should be punched as well

Punched?

VIOLENCE

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I can answer instead.

This rule triggered when faction wiped out. Ergo, instantly (so if we kill SK today, mafia will kill at night)


Either way, i know personally Nancy and Radical Rat too well to know that they never read setups (less about RR though). I think they genuine believe in words they say.

Let me put it in this way though:
We want to hit ATLEAST NOT TOWN. If we have choice between Mafia and SK (and we don't really have choice), it's always preferable to kill Mafia instead, so scum still can crosskill. But we will not have choice most likely.

[Enchant]

Testarossa's post was completely NAI.

and point of your post?

Like you see person thinking like you and only thing you saying "uh well it's too easy, try harder?"

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and

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I am staying on Galron.

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8 hours and i will not be here to change.

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hi i didn't fuck up

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If SK picked BP, he aims for Cop.
If SK picked IM, he aims for Goon.

Kinda obvious

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Fair

I don't see point thinking about it today (mean game day), as it's too vague for now.

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i'm also actually wondering why Enchant is given a pass by so many peoples

i am cute

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I dislike this take, if you want to accuse me, do so directly

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I mean I was genuinely playing to avoid a Galron lim and the only difference there between scum! and town me there is probably motivation

If Meg is a Galron buddy making this post, I’d be seriously impressed because you very rarely see scum just straight up admit to that.

why

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I mean I was genuinely playing to avoid a Galron lim

and the only difference there between scum! and town me there is probably motivation

If Meg is a Galron buddy making this post, I’d be seriously impressed because you very rarely see scum just straight up admit to that.

why

Because she’s straight up admitting to wanting to save Galron which is not something you typically see from a buddy.

What you else expected?

"Oh i didn't meant that whops sorry"?

NAI at best.

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VOTE: Gypix

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Two days.

I have reasonings to consider Kop not evil, due me being close to NM and understanding his nature.

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I am mostly scumreading Kop here while my only doubts about that slot come from N_M's short interaction with Galron, which looks kind of weird. Kop is way too defensive imo.

How do you distinguish between N_Mtown and N_Mscum?

Imagine rolling SK and not playing.

NM simple not dick enough to annoy teammate with this opening. Regardless what you want to say, NM knows how to play.

So yeah, i can assure. Like, with 80% chance sure.

[Enchant]

Can Cop claim already?

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Can Cop claim already?

No, absolutely not, that’s a terrible idea!

Cop should only claim in the event of an actual result. Wtf are you even thinking with this? *smdh*

Okay, i explain.

1. We are in MYLO. If we elim town, we lose in case SK attacking town. And SK will not attack mafia, because see down.
2. I don't want to teach scum, but they probably realise this anyway.
Mafia in most situtations attacked SK (unless mafia didn't apply action at all somehow), because I don't see any logical point to skip kill. Therefore, SK picked bulletproof, and can be catched via Cop. Now question: Will SK hunt mafia, just to lose to Cop with 2-3 checks at 4 people day? Selfanswering.
3. Day will turn in shitfest anyway.
If we push VT today, he will claim so. We either elim him to lose, or keep alive. Which again gives tip where Cop sits.
If we push scum, it depends, (considering i post this), either VT or Cop (to start 1vs1 shitfest with CC of Cop).
If we push Cop OR Cop innocent check, Cop will be forced to claim. Afterwards, scum counterclaim him. 1vs1 again.


In most outcomes, if Cop doesn't claim, it turns in 1vs1 between Cop and scum anyway. And most likely, with big chunk of deadline wasted.
It's so fun to deduce real Cop at last 2 days,

right

?
Nevermind that if SOMEHOW we elim scum without cop claiming, remaining scum plainly can try to kill him and we receive nothing if success.
So it's not worth it hiding.

Now about results:
Cop checked 2 people. He knows HALF of living players alignments. It's just enough to win almost instantly.
Unless he checked Imaginality n1. Then... Well. 1 check still check.
I don't believe in checked Kop, as there's no one protecting him. So therefore there must be one living check.


So.
Do you still think it's terrible idea and massclaim should't happen?

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I have dejavu

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Either they lose the 1v1, or real Cop flips and they get killed the next day.

How they are killed?

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If it's 2 town, 2 scum, then we lose if we vote out scum. Other plainly shots town to win.

It's kingmaker. And we can't just "no lim" and hope they shot each other, because they won't. But i don't give more insight on it, because in this case we lost anyway.


If it's 3 town/1 scum, we still have 1-2 checks living. Again, scum will avoid this situation, as it gives them too little chances.

And it's winnable. Very easily.


I don't understand what you trying to sell me, but i can assure, i thought about everything before speaking, and it's fucking infuriating you don't learn on mistakes.

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I want to add, i never claimed to be good player (unless for meme), but i believe Cop claiming will help us (and i already provided reasonings why) win.

If you call me better player, yet sceptically examine everything i say, then ammount of worth you put in your words are zero.

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Cop will claim when it is relevant. To do so sooner is gamethrowing.

You yourself say that scum will not CC cop (DUE IT BEING INSTADEATH/BANKING ON KINGMAKER). So it will result in Cop being confirmed innocent. With checks being also innocent. IT LITERALLY CONFIRMS HALF OF GAME AS TOWN, LEAVING US WITH 4-3 OPTIONS WHERE ALL SCUM HIDE.
Instead, let's risk so... We get something. What exactly, another check? No point lol, if we elim scum, another scum will just aim at Cop at night, and if fail, open with Cop claim and it STILL will be 1vs1 bullshit idiocy. So literally... Nothing changes. Literally nothing. Except that we could had avoided it at first place.

Fuck this idiocy, i am not in mood.
I can't force you sadly.


I am off, i am playing other games. Will think who i want to vote today.
Don't fucking care.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Gypix

Putting me at E-1 without waiting for Cop CC, and you call me gamethrower?

[Enchant]

Can Cop claim already?

Careful what you wish for

I asked for real Cop, not obvsscum.

I even can't say how pissed i am, because i just got warning from mods and i don't want to tempt fate.

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Wait... Really.
Well. There's nothing i could had done. I am lost.

I desire to REVENGE on mafia though for shooting me. If you vote no-lim, i kill someone you desire and let Gypix check someone else. This way i piss off mafia and you effortlessly win.
If you kill me now, mafia plainly shots Gypix and you are in MYLO with 3 unknowns.

Your choice basically.


Also, asking Cop to claim is genuine good plan i suggested. I am really sad that you called me scum for this.

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I have no reason to back up from plan, because i gain nothing from so. I lose anyway.

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But also it's like
A very unfair move to make against mafia here who are otherwise positioned to win which doesn't feel good

Ha-ha-ha.

Exactly! Who need morale though.

[Enchant]

Town Cop

Welcome, [Player]. You are a

Town Cop

.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may target one player in the game to investigate them. You will receive a result of "Town" or "Not Town".
• You can find the public thread here

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

PM me your role to confirm.

Jeez.

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K, gl

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Not really.

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Eh. If i am mafia, why i am not outing SK?

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D'aww, you actually know me!

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I would point at SK though and look how you argue if i lied or not. It would be more hilarious.

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No really, what point in being BP, if mafia can reveal you at twilight.
Tsk.

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Eh, i am not really forcing you to do anything. Either i get my revenge, or i don't.

If you think i am mafia then... Idk? Like you are wrong, whatever, i still lost.

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Hilariously, i had Rats as townread, before this day.
Afterwards there was slip that Rats knew i am exactly SK (message "you want to reveal Cop and kill him" are kinda aimed at one side) and starting pushing me for plan which completely makes sense


I don't know if i am right or wrong.

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Well, depends.

So anyway:
No lim, 6 ppl
I kill someone, Gypix check someone. 5 ppls.

If game doesn't end, Gypix either swopps mafia with guilty, or will get another inno and will know all alignments in game, which also autowin game.

So yeah, if i was you, i would take this offer. Without thinking actually.

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I think my hesitance comes from it feeling like foul sportmanship towards the other scum. Although this may just come because I have been in the same shoes once and I just raged passionately from D1 till elo about a townsiding SK in the Mafia chat.

I actually respect that.

Idk about townsiding SK from first day, i guess if they were discovered, they really didn't had other choice, but be leashed. I negatively think about SK who claims for no reason and helps town, unless there's some insane 999IQ strat.


In my case, i could just go and die, possible letting mafia win. Except that I don't want to. I had plan to win in every scenario, but i never imagined mafia will be out of their way to attack me. ATTACK ME. Did i look like cop so much? I don't think so.

This screwed me over in that way, that i couldn't win regardless what i do. There's pit in every way i choose. When i say i thinked about every scenario, i didn't lie. So i drag them in hell with me.


Depending on morale, you disagree or agree. Regardless, that's what i do. If you want to give mafia fighting chance, i will understand that... But fairly, i would just take cheap win on your place. Yep.

[Enchant]

You could be either Mafia or SK. All we know for sure is you’re scum.

And

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VOTE: No Elim

Last post i make, before night.
Either you vote No-Lim or don't. If you do, Gypix (or Testarossa) shall bold person they wish to see killed so i don't accidently kill person you plan to check.

see ya

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I DO think that Enchant's scheme is the most boring and unfun way possible to achieve that victory.

I know i promised last post, but... Well


If you really-really wish to give mafia "Honest" fighting chance (which i don't understand), then you can give it to me as well (strange plea, i know, but continue reading pls).
You already know, Gypix are innocent and Testarossa is check, therefore also innocent.
You also know i am SK. Well i know i am SK, you just know i am evil.

Nothing of it changes ot Elo, if you kill me right now. Same situation.


So mafia (well i know mafia) hides in 39 Rats in a Trench Coat/MegAzumarill/ceejayvinoya.
So... Go ahead, try to hunt mafia today. If you failed, you as well would had failed next day after killing me (because you would had exact same info in elo, as you have now), and mafia would had won. Except right now, if you fail, mafia doesh't win, we just go in kingmaker. In which i have chance as well (not big one).

And if you success, well. Where i hide?


So, why don't you if you wish interesting gameplay? Hypocrite much? Or i am less deserving this sportsmanship? If so, then why?

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btw happy birthday meg

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Somehow I am insecure what people are waiting for.

They wait before Gypix/You decide who i should kill.

But Gypix being Gypix, it takes hilariously long, so maybe you bother?

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You claiming it's unfun and boring. I told how make it "interesting".


I don't need to explain anything. I am not town, can afford, and basically you need my help which i offering. Also, there's high chance you won't realise even if i do, considering how you fighted against (again winning one) plan with Cop revealing.


Again, take or leave it. I will die regardless. But i will roast you if you somehow manage to lose to maf postgame, because you threw your instawin for lose. And i am not even lying!
You probably think i do, as chaos acolyte. But neat thing: I don't lie this time. And you will think i do lie.

Hilarious.

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Additionally i can also just kill Gypix anyway, and say "haha i lied", even if i am SK. Because i have nothing to lose.

But would i? I am kinda motivated to screw other scum out.

Even if you don't want cheap win or "risk my chaos", how about eliming mafia first, so if you fail (you prob fail), i can win instead of maf in kingmaker? You have same info. Even Gypix alive.. to help you. Damn, I can't say these things not sarcastic.

I mean, i die, then gypix die. And you received no new info. So, why don't try now?

Who you would call maf today for example?

[Enchant]

Enchant kills Meg

kk

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Why you panic so much?

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Even in altuniverse where i am mafia, i will lose without variants.

Next day will be 3 town vs 2 scum, with me still being outed. What i do next? Die.


I can only win, if you elim town earlier than me. Somehow. While i am outed. You need to delibately do it though (i already suggested how you can do it without gamethrowing much, but 16 hours is not kinda time to deduce maf so no chance).

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Why as town would I vote someone other than you when you’re mech guiltied?

Because if you vote me, but fail to deduce mafia after i and Gypix die, mafia will win instantly and your elimination of me was worthless help to mafia.
If you instead tried to kill mafia today, mafia will not instawin, but will be put at kingmaker with me, which everyone can win, including me.

So eliming me only ensures mafia win if you are wrong and does nothing to help your situation.


So yeah, that's kinda reason to not vote me. Not including my offer which guarantee town win of course.

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Uh i am not elimmed because i agreed to help town win instantly uh.... i guessssssss

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Gypix already said he wants no-lim as well.

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I mean SHE. I forgot, sorry.

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And you obviously not “helping town”.

You might as well ask me - someone with dyspraxia - for directions.

I hate town actually, but mafia managed to screw me over SO MUCH it's actually balanced against them.


So yeah, if i can't win, i make faction which forced me to lose - lose as well. ANd no, it's not town.

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Gypix already said he wants no-lim as well.

I mean SHE. I forgot, sorry.

She didn’t get to read Tetra’s reasoning. She who is confiitown, is clearly not onboard with this terrible plan but understands we have no choice due to deadline, maj lim and prods not being enforced on time.

Are you seriously in good faith going to argue that this isn’t true?

Please stop insulting my intelligence with this.

Eh.

I don't want to be blunt, but Testarossa just fears even 0.1% chance of dying and places survivalism higher than town win.

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Like it's maximal egoism level.

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Hey Rats if you mafia pls don't blacklist me i love playing with you but you made horrible mistake with targeting me.

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Oh my can we go without gore

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Eh.

I don't want to be blunt, but Testarossa just fears even 0.1% chance of dying and places survivalism higher than town win.

Huh? I am literally voting confscum and will never die over Gypyx unless SK doesn't like my nose.

It's explained that you will die if i am mafia (well firstly Gypix then you), but will win instantly if i am SK and keep my word.
You believe i am SK.
You vote me.

Bah.

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Both Tetra and us want to play to correct town wincon

Actually if you are town, you gamethrowing right now.

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I freak out because sk explaining town how to play is somewhat twisted.

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I love desperation in your messages, which you trying to cover with lol emojis.

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And you obviously not “helping town”.

You might as well ask me - someone with dyspraxia - for directions.

I hate town actually, but mafia managed to screw me over SO MUCH it's actually balanced against them.


So yeah, if i can't win, i make faction which forced me to lose - lose as well. ANd no, it's not town.

I'm not going to touch anything else going on here, but I do just want to say that it was the cop that actually screwed you over here. Even if you ARE actually SK, Mafia couldn't have outed you without outing themselves, which they obviously wouldn't have done. The only reason you're confscum is the cop check. Without that check, you'd have had a chance to kill Mafia before they could do anything to hurt you.

Nah.

If mafia killed someone else instead, i would just open with guilty on Gypix (it was not hard to deduce her as Cop, as i knew meta is to reveal results at elo) and put it on kingmaker effortlessly. Then it depends on town choice.

But with 6 players, while i can win 1vs1 against Gypix, then i end up in 2vs1vs1, while mafia knows me, and i don't know mafia. Town votes no-lim. Mafia kills me. Game over.
So mafia robbed me out of all options.

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I thought. About. Everything.

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I do it for amusement.

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At this point we've said what we can say. If the rest of the Town ever shows up, they can make their decision on that. Regardless of what happens, I don't see a point in continuing to flood the thread arguing about it.

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I do it for amusement.

I would be too in your position but I’d also be feeling kind of icky that everything posted in 434 helped you exponentially avoid being limmed today.

But congrats is still valid despite that greatly contributing to town loss.

Well thanks!

It doesh't lead to town loss though, i am genuine attacking Meg.

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I actually just know you are mafia, because if you was town, mafia would just support you and elim me and avoid losing scenario.

I just pretend like i believe you are town and you pretend like you don't believe me that i am SK.

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I think that Enchant and other scum should just concede and end this farce.

k you first

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I actually just know you are mafia, because if you was town, mafia would just support you and elim me and avoid losing scenario.

I just pretend like i believe you are town and you pretend like you don't believe me that i am SK.

Am I supposed to pretend you’re town? No I don’t believe it, why tf should I?

No, i pretend you like town.
You pretend like i am not SK. But you know that. You slipped it like at day start.

I can only wonder how no one else can see it.

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Name even one game where you don’t fakeclaim and why anyone should believe you’re not doing that this time?

Name even one game where i fakeclaim in serious manner.

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I can make reasonable argument for limming not me.

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I did.

I just know you will not do it.

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Like i said you can try to hunt mafia instead of no-lim/killing me, if you want, which doesn't hurt you actually.

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Mafia can't do shit to save me, nor they care.

If mafia actually cared about keeping me alive, they would CC Gypix claim and go for HONORABLE FIGHT with me in kingmaker.

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Okay, and how i can win?

Like. We are 6 ppl. 1 maf, 1 Me, 4 towns.
I am outed by cop, who didn't get CC.

What i can do to not lose? Maybe you see something I don't?

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Well, atleast they wouldn't be trapped in unescapable losing scenario.

Like this one.
Tsk

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Wait why

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You asked what you could do to not lose. Maybe Mafia will respect your apology and be friends, and then you can murder us together and we definitely do not eliminate you the next day.

Fine.

I apologize to mafia, i am so sorry your aim so fucked up, you managed to hit me instead of Cop or literally any other VT. May god grant you more training in call of duty after i help town decimate you for this mistake.


Will it work? Because even if i no-kill, Gypix still gets check, and town still holds majority.
Like what stant you even trying to force on me?

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They can come to me home, i write it personally and give autograph to boot.

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Really though, all this talk about CCing Cop into Kingmaker, and had you not started the day asking for Cop claims you could have done that yourself instead of relying on Mafia to be suicidal for you.

Yeah, i could. I said why it will not work in my favor, but gives mafia win on silver plate.

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I am surprised you not asking me to selfkill.

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For what it's worth, I'd have believed you over Gypyx if you'd counterclaimed

I win 1vs1.
I end up in 2 town, 1 maf, 1 me

Mafia KNOWS me.
I DON'T know mafia.

Mafia can kill me, and defeat town in elo effortlessly.

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More interesting option is opening with guilty on mafia.

But... Mafia knows me. And in twilight can (probably will) say "Haha we shot enchant" on revenge.

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Yeah. Who would knew how game goes next, if we forced claim from Gypix.

But town insisted on liming obvtown.

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There's thing where i strongly believe in something, but when pressured, vote others anyway, because i think i am wrong. Sometimes i am wrong.
Sometimes not.

And it's pretty annoying.

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I won’t say gg because we lost due to late prods, maj lim and inactive slots prior to deadline, because had that not happened, we could have gotten Enchant eliminated.

And he misplayed by outing cop and not CCing them and we thought he was cop because it look like he softed cop wrt to his Kop read.

I even told the mod how the late prods prior to deadline because of maj lim essentially fucked us. Whatever.

I look forward to returning the favour someday. @Enchant.

I didn't misplay, i just considering that leading game in 2vs2 where mafia (you) know SK (me) and SK doesh't know mafia, is unwinnable. You could just kill me without any rebutal when town obviously vote no-lim. It's when i CC Cop or claim it at first place.

I am not going to give you win on silver platter after you forced me in lose-lose situation.


Also you can and probably will be in right in doing so.

Either way, i think mod should end game already, no point.

MOD I CONCEDE.

Now i go sleep sorry.

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You got fucked by thinking that i let my inno check eliminated as Cop.

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But you fucked me first... And then tried to vote me out.