Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

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sorry to ruin the game immediately guys, i can't control my abilities. we can play it out pretending like it isn't solved though anyways

Nice one, cheers!

VOTE: Dunnstral

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I will do in good time. I'd rather submit a full 5 at once rather than try and do it piecemeal.

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HEAL: Umlaut

Why?

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I'm not, to be honest.

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I'm not

a fan of that

(The aggressive coalition building)

, to be honest.

My bad.

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I can't read Northside's #25. I'm finding this bit about psychic whatevers a bit odd.

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I've been playing Mafia for around 10 years, I started in forum mafia, with a brief stint in a few forums elsewhere then I started hosting Mafia sessions IRL, I played EpicMafia and I host/mod a few for some friends on TTS every blue moon. I'm new to MS so I'm a bit green when it comes to how it's played.

For instance, I don't trust meta reads at all - over the years I'm confident that I can play with and against my 'meta', so I'm inherently distrustful of meta reads and doubly distrustful when players are self-referential in meta. To me, each game is it's own self-contained bubble. I've learned in a few games here that isn't the most widespread of opinions.

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UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Northsidegal

It's all a bit deliberately unhelpful, and in #39 it's not clear which way round the reads go.
I'd encourage people to remove Northside from their coalition vote, even if they disagree with the limvote.

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Hi patch!

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You put yourself in there? I mean I guess it goes along with the bit you've been doing but it wasn't really clear like

Also I googled 'Crystal ball' and that image didn't come up. That itself is NAI but I get the sense it was a prepared post and that kinda does give me bad vibes.

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It was super abbreviated and shortened, and also didn't include everyone in the game.

I also don't follow why you have Keychain and Bingle at the bottom (Scummy end) of your list, when you've not really passed any comment on them.

The fact that Crystal Ball didn't come up is NAI. The fact that I think it was a prepared post gives me bad vibes and feeds into why my vote is on you.

That's fairly clear. I feel like the misunderstanding is intentional.

Ninja'd by Keychain: My vote on Northside is serious, and for valid reasons. I encourage you to critique it and challenge it and pick holes in it.

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I feel like the implication is that they were amongst the last to confirm so would have time to prepare a bit, confirm and then be first into the thread. I don't think it's the MOST alignment-indicative thing, but the whole thing of being pretty unhelpful, sharing reads whilst simultaneously not offering anything on said reads read to me like a continuation of the bit that they were doing.

I think of the points I make against Northside, it's certainly amongst the weakest, but I do feel it has validity.

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Bad as in alignment-indicative?

And I hope you enjoy the game, regardless of alignment.

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I can't read Northside's #25. I'm finding this bit about psychic whatevers a bit odd.

This feels off to me somehow, just how seriously are you taking NSG's posts?

As seriously as everyone else's posts.

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UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Northsidegal

It's all a bit deliberately unhelpful, and in #39 it's not clear which way round the reads go.
I'd encourage people to remove Northside from their coalition vote, even if they disagree with the limvote.

Bad vote, bad idea.

Why, and why?

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VOTE: Delta
Not that we're eliminating yet, but this read on north seems to be based more on her being difficult to understand than anything else which feels like someone scraping for a reason. If it was just the vote that would be fine since votes are basically symbolic right now, but also pushing to remove her from coalitions makes it seem like it's more serious.

I like this for town because it's pretty much where my head was on Delta right before reading it.

HEAL: Keychain
VOTE: Delta

I smell sheeping.

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As an addendum, I don't see a single original thought from any of this post. Umlaut's #63 is a lot of words that broadly say 'I agree' or 'I disagree'. No attempt at game-solving.

Post #65 above has a question for (I think) Northside, wherein they agree that the post is bad, but are looking more towards me than the person that posted it? Odd.

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Ninja'd:

One thing that I also don't particularly like is the quotation out of context by Bingle. The quote should read

The fact that I think it was a prepared post gives me bad vibes

not

it was a prepared post

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I expect people to be making an effort.

Or is proactivity and hunting only valid at page five and onwards? I must have missed that one.

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Considering 2 people haven't posted yet, I'm waiting until we hear from the remaining slots before I start plopping together a coalition.

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So you'll concede that we aren't in RVS, but working to establish reads and understand alignments is something comment-worthy?

What are you even saying?

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*snip*
yes, but it's literally earlygame lol,

usually

we're still in rvs at this stage

Usually. The implication being that we're not in RVS at the moment.

What point are you trying to argue here? Do you think we should stay stagnant and stop posting and just let the day go on? Why are you planting the flag and dying on this hill?

Ninja'd by Key:

I think when we eventually get contributions from them, reading into the wider game and associatives gives me a better chance of putting together a town-only coalition and winning us the game. I'm much more comfortable with using my vote than with trying to build a coalition to generate and develop my reads in the meantime.

You need bricks to build a house, we're currently missing two bricks.

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UNVOTE: Northsidegal
VOTE: Patchwork

If the other two slots aren't posting by this time tomorrow I'll post up some potential coalitions I'd be happy with.

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My #88 above runs contrary to that, if you want to factor that in.

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HEAL: Keychain
Kawaii
Me
Bingle[/heal

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Tags are fun

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HURT: Kawaii

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The thank you doesn't sit well with me. Might go back into it, but I'm comfier without them in it for now.

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I think it's NAI, but dropping the 'Newbtown' as a qualified when discussing my play will only serve to delegitimise reads and arguments that I develop further down the line. I'd appreciate you recanting and reconsidering the wording.

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EBWOP: as a qualifier*

Cheers autocorrect.

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Whilst that may be your interpretation - my fear is that to others it'll potentially be a useful stick with which to parry me later in the game.

Naturally you can't go back and take it back but yeah.

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It's ridiculous that you're complaining that I 'drag people out of RVS'. RVS is a useless stage that the scumteam will seek to prolong as long as possible.

The post I SR'd you for intimates that I oughtn't be trying to game-solve early in the game which is absolute tosh.

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Is that it?

There's no-one called River in the game.

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What is happening

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Why are you posting headlines from the BBC News App

Is this literally your contribution to the game after 4 IRL days of it being live, are you doing a bit or is this just how it's going to be?

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This kind of play is just going to annoy me, I won't lie.

It's objectively anti-town - maybe not scummy, but it's objectively anti-town to not justify your viewpoints, and commit to a bit instead of any actual contribution.

There's no-one called river in the game.

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This got old quick.

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Not-Mafia shouldn't be allowed to get anywhere near a coalition.

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Can you even half-arse an effort to take this seriously. I get the sense that this is just trolling at this stage.

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You haven't, you've been very deliberately obtuse, objectively anti-town and you've been trolling. There's no justifications for your coalition or for your reads and you're replying in sh*te memes and riddles in an effort to what, appear interesting? Aloof? Above it all?

It doesn't allow any commentary or critique of your reads, and the fact that you're evading rather than engaging with me is the worst part, because trying to look at your play and deciding whether it's scum or town-motivated is just an invitiation to fall into a WIFOM hole.

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Honestly after the coalition phase, if you continue like this I'll advocate for a policy lim on the basis that this play is anti-town and unreadable. At least then I'll be able to focus without any noise and scumhunt.

Ninja'd: This isn't a discussion, don't be so deliberately obtuse.

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When you start I'll be able to pass comment.

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If I have to do a riddle every time they make a point or cast a vote, then I'm going to policy lim them purely for being unreadable. I can't scumhunt with this utterly opaque anti-town shitposting in my face.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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N_M's posting makes me literally want to not play the game

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So you'll answer perfectly normally to others but you'll answer me in riddles and memes?

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I don't have a strong scumread, but I'll say that I wouldn't want Umlaut, Patch, Kawaii or Northside in a coalition. I can't fathom why town would play the way that N_M would, but it's a WIFOM hole to look at and try to define N_M's alignment so I wouldn't want them in a coalition either.

Im undecided on Dunnstral.

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ABWOP: But I would put dunnstral in before any of the others that I don't want in at this stage.

Ninja'd: I don't neccessarily have a scumread on Northside but I'm not sure enough of their alignment to say yes to them entering my coalition. The play from earlier in the day whilst I no-longer outright scumread them, doesn't neccessarily convince me that they're town either.

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Vibes, mostly.

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Ninja'd:

I don't neccessarily have a scumread on Northside but I'm not sure enough of their alignment to say yes to them entering my coalition.

Whilst I appreciate the advice, this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking to avoid with the newbtown comment. The advice delegitimises my points that I don't currently townread you, even though I've expressed no more than 3 posts above that I don't scumread you.

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No the point is that I already had stopped scumreading you, but by reaching out with advice, whilst I get it, it now is going to be a convenient thing to just say 'oh they're newbtown' whenever I make a case and because that's been the read from more than one person, it's going to be a compelling stick with which to beat my argument.

Honestly it's more disheartening than anything because I've got years of playing Mafia under my belt, so to have the things I said read as Newbtown and potentially summararily dismissed is really annoying tbh. NAI I think, but annoying.

Ninja'd: My god stop calling me River it's very literally not my name. You can't even back up your scumread with a vote because you haven't voted me yet!

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Nah this is ridiculous tbh

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That's three people now who are pretty committed to newb-reading anything I say. Any argument I make can now quite easily be countered because a third of the playerbase now holding that narrative. There scarcely seems a point to me playing, there's now a ready-made argument against anything I say from now to game end.

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*snip*
You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here

in a very newbtown manner

I'm your biggest scumread according to your 'vote'.