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Post #70 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:05 pm
Postby patchwork »
i dont really like this aggressive coalition building but tbh there’s no harm in it
don’t really have time to think about the game run but ill get back soon
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Post #71 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:06 pm
Postby patchwork »
In post 68, Deltabreedy wrote:
As an addendum, I don't see a single original thought from any of this post. Umlaut's #63 is a lot of words that broadly say 'I agree' or 'I disagree'. No attempt at game-solving.
Post #65 above has a question for (I think) Northside, wherein they agree that the post is bad, but are looking more towards me than the person that posted it? Odd.
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Ninja'd:
One thing that I also don't particularly like is the quotation out of context by Bingle. The quote should read
The fact that I think it was a prepared post gives me bad vibes
not
it was a prepared post
Delta it is page 3 why do you expect people to be gamesolving at like
60 posts
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Post #80 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:12 am
Postby patchwork »
the thing with what youre doing is that some people haven't posted and some people are minimally active so it's a little silly to be mad at someone for messing around at this stage of the game
like there isn't really much to talk about on page two unless someone does something horrendously scummy/towny
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Post #83 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:33 am
Postby patchwork »
delta.... that's not what i'm saying?? im not sure how you're taking it that way. i feel like your vote on nsg feels like a stretch, and it's based on "not contributing" when they have in fact been taking part in discussion and the stupid psychic thing, when it's pretty normal to make jokes earlygame.
In post 83, patchwork wrote:
delta.... that's not what i'm saying?? im not sure how you're taking it that way. i feel like your vote on nsg feels like a stretch, and it's based on "not contributing" when they have in fact been taking part in discussion and
the stupid psychic thing
, when it's pretty normal to make jokes earlygame.
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Post #97 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:11 pm
Postby patchwork »
In post 93, Umlaut wrote:
Arguing a bunch with Delta and saying his arguments against NSG make no sense, and then saying he's town. It seems like Patch is just giving their thoughts instead of trying to push some specific position or idea.
actually it could be seen as inconsistency from scum so it's not specifically towny on my part but you're right that it was me just stringing my thoughts together
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Post #109 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:33 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 98, Bingle wrote:
I have good news and bad news. I’m not going to post game relevant content tonight. Also, my cousin’s cancer is in remission.
I haven't seen the tag like that, ty with believing in me : )
what is this post kawaii
It's my post patch
sorry wow i'm just like
never have i really seen this behavior from you in any of our games
and it's weird how you're like "thanks for believing in me!" when like. one person is scumreading you
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Post #132 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:52 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 99, Keychain wrote:
I guess I don't find this particularly AI personally - it could also be that Delta is one of the players patch is familiar with here so it's easier to engage with him over his arguments but separately from whatever read they end up with.
yeah i'm familiar with his play but i can't really talk about it because. yk. oot
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Post #133 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:53 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 124, Bingle wrote:
There explicitly is a decent town motivation for not being in your proposed coalition. I very much doubt Kame knows what it is or believes it.
but if you're town and your coalition doesn't that mean you only have to hunt for four towns?
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Post #134 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:54 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 124, Bingle wrote:
Dunn's chainsaw of Key feels off. I don't think it's damning of Dunn, but I do think it's a strong reason to believe Dunn/Kame is not a S/S pair. For this reason, I would like 0-1 of them in the coalition. Dunn, what specifically about Key's reasoning on Kame do you think is scum indicative. I get not agreeing, but why is it scummy?
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Post #136 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:55 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 124, Bingle wrote:
I'm fairly certain on my Delta townread at this point. His play has all the hallmarks of newbtown dropped into an established lobby. Yes, I understand the previous experience, but I think that would, if anything, increase the amount of trepidation about being this open and gung ho with reads when there's clearly a lot of baggage in the thread. Contrast patchwerk, who's posting seems very careful. I think either Delta is very confident in his scumgame or just town here, and I'm just not feeling big ego energy.
he's not newbtown lol though i can agree on this townread, to me delta's vibes feels very organic
huh wait out of curiosity how do i seem careful
In post 133, patchwork wrote:
but if you're town and your coalition doesn't that mean you only have to hunt for four towns?
That is the reason to include yourself in the coalition, yes. I'm explicitly not interested in talking about the reason for not including yourself in your coalition at this time.
Note: I am in fact including myself in my coalition.
Because I intend to use the information that makes it reasonable later in the game and don't want scum to play around it and also because if Kame starts arguing it it's slightly town indicative.
ok , but bring it up when it's relevant because it doesn't really make sense to me atm. maybe i'll figure it out sometime but i don't see how including yourself in your coalition or not is specifically alignment-indicative
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Post #146 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:12 pm
Postby patchwork »
In post 143, Bingle wrote:
Representative careful posts. Overall, you seem hesitant to commit to anything. There's a lot of questioning and not a lot of actual explanation. There's a lot of emphasis on trying to figure things out and not a lot on sharing your conclusions.
The thing is that scum who aren't immediately confident in their scumgame (either because they're playing with new people or because they've never played before) are slightly more likely to play this way. The longer someone has been in a meta, the less this tell matters.
oh, that's fair. i try to share how i feel, usually, but at the moment i don't have many large conclusions, i'm mostly just chillin here and trying to figure out what's going on with the players because it's still earlygame and i'm unsure quite what i should be talking about. like discussion = good but it's a litlte hard to contribute when you have no idea what to talk about. maybe i'll flip a coin sometime to determine who to case sometime.
on the meta thing, sadly i have to say i like playing as scum more than town and often tend to be fairly confident in my scumgames
In post 131, patchwork wrote:
wait mod what happens if we reach a lim before we vote on a coalition
Not the mod but coalition has to happen first. From Coalition section of game rules
In post 1, lilith2013 wrote:
During the Coalition phase, elimination votes will still be counted but no elimination can occur until a coalition has been locked in.
I do wonder if that means if we're at elimination majority then we lock in a coalition that fails, does the elimination immediately happen? We should probably avoid that
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Post #148 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:15 pm
Postby patchwork »
almost forgot about this! thanks
delta why did you vote me? you didn't really provide a reason as to why and i don't want to jump to assumptions about why. but to me it seems like you voted me because i was pointing out the flaws in your sr on nsg (even though you invited people to criticize it). or was it because i thought it was a little silly for you to try and scumread people for minimal activity at page three? it's page three, obviously players are still going to be messing around in rvs or fluffing. maybe it's a difference in site culture but idk i cant help but notice that in like literally every game you're in you drag everyone out of rvs real early and idk why you do that
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Post #156 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:20 pm
Postby patchwork »
In post 150, Deltabreedy wrote:
It's ridiculous that you're complaining that I 'drag people out of RVS'. RVS is a useless stage that the scumteam will seek to prolong as long as possible.
The post I SR'd you for intimates that I oughtn't be trying to game-solve early in the game which is absolute tosh.
i'm literally not saying that i dunno how the fuck you came to that conclusion but you're really just putting words in my mouth here
i was not complaining that you were dragging us out of rvs, it was an Observation
i was not complaining that you were game-solving early, i was saying it was weird that you were trying to drop everything on so fast very early and that you shouldn't expect some players to post actual content within the first two pages
In post 150, Deltabreedy wrote:
It's ridiculous that you're complaining that I 'drag people out of RVS'. RVS is a useless stage that the scumteam will seek to prolong as long as possible.
The post I SR'd you for intimates that I oughtn't be trying to game-solve early in the game which is absolute tosh.
i'm literally not saying that i dunno how the fuck you came to that conclusion but you're really just putting words in my mouth here
i was not complaining that you were dragging us out of rvs, it was an Observation
i was not complaining that you were game-solving early, i was saying it was weird that you were trying to drop everything on so fast very early and that you shouldn't expect some players to post actual content within the first two pages
last sentence came out wrong
what i mean is that i disliked your scumread on nsg because they were fluffposting or "minimally contributing"- what do you expect a player to do when there's nothing to do in the first two pages? what are you going to talk about?
In post 157, patchwork wrote:
i'm trying to be nice because that's kind of what you're supposed to do when talking to people
There is a difference between being a genuinely nice person and faking niceness, but neither of those are what I mean by appease-y.
Your play leaves me with the impression that you're trying to get me to trust you and tailoring your play to what you think I want to see. Tone has very little to do with that, overall.
you said that i wasn't doing much so i started participating more??? how is that appeasey lol, discussion is good and i wasn't aware that i was playing very cautiously before
In post 160, patchwork wrote:
you said that i wasn't doing much so i started participating more???
That's kind of... Exactly what I'm talking about. This flurry of activity in response to me saying you're not active enough makes me concerned that you're more focused on how people see you than their intentions. I also see very little paranoia about why I'm doing what I'm doing. You just seem to be accepting that my motivations are town ones.
i took what you said as criticism lol not like "omg this is what people want me to do so i am doing it now"
and yeah i townread you
In post 167, patchwork wrote:
i took what you said as criticism lol not like "omg this is what people want me to do so i am doing it now"
As an aside, trying to change your playstyle to satisfy the expectations of others is likely to cripple your scumhunting effectiveness and not worth the time. Do what you need to do to find scum.
it's not supposed to satisfy you, you pointed out i was being conservative (no, not in the republican way) when i was unaware of that so i went ahead and tried to chaneg that, idk how youre reading it that way
In post 175, Bingle wrote:My reads will evolve as the game progresses. Either way, fixating on a single player and their read is a great way to eat an early elimination.
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Post #183 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:29 pm
Postby patchwork »
okay i need to fix my sleep schedule so i'll be leaving now, but i'll talk about other players tomorrow when i'm not running on four hours (hopefully eight)
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Post #291 (isolation #41) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:30 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 247, northsidegal wrote:
delta, i know that you don't appreciate being called "newbtown", but if you'll allow me to explain something that i think i've noticed you're doing that i think is a mistake newer players tend to make (and apologies if i come across as condescending in doing so), i feel as though you've been assuming in this game that anyone who is being unhelpful or otherwise unexplanatory is scum. on the whole, i'm of the opinion that this is a fairly bad heuristic for determining scum. even if we look back at the start of this game, your scumread on me seems to stem from me basically just making a joke to you instead of re-explaining what one of my posts meant.
if i were scum this game, having already recognized all of this, instead of explaining it to you right now i would just try to be as maximally helpful and explanatory as possible to you to try to pocket you. i think the same could be said for most experienced players. scum
want
people to like them and townread them, so actually i would consider it more common for them to try to make maximally helpful posts (like keychain), as well as specifically always making a point to try to make sure that their fake reads (and especially fake read changes) come across as having a consistent reason. you'll find that "anti-town" play probably comes far far more often from town than it does scum.
this isn't to imply that anyone who is unhelpful or doesn't explain their reads is inherently town (especially NM, who as i said earlier defies a lot of rules), just wanted to point out something i noticed.
feels towny HEAL: northsidegal, patchwork, bingle, delta probably will change
feels towny HEAL: northsidegal, patchwork, bingle, delta probably will change
I dig 2/4ths of your heals and I'll try to see if what Delta saw in Bingle had merit. I'm willing to hurt not_mafia in a heartbeat, overall my coalition picks right now are: northsidegirl, umlaut, and just for these heals I'd say you're a close third. N_M going through, idk, probs not probable. Once I do comprehensive reread I'll see how you vibe in general, little impression at first tbh but this made me think yeah can be town.
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That's it from me, I'll be back : p
i'm honestly not too sure on who to coalition but i'm currently trying to figure out who i Don't want in my coalition. maybe i'm making some wrong choices here but i just listed the three names that felt the most towny to me
probably going to think about it more though, i haven't really analyzed players yet.
bye!
In post 363, patchwork wrote:
kawaii doesn't act the same as they do in towngames
Can you explain this?
every game i've played with them so far (newbie 2113, 2114, 2115) have all been towngames. in this game, they don't play similarly as they play as town. for instance, in 2113, they were much more proactive and actually did stuff, and while that got more toned down in 2114 and 2115, kawaii's posting doesn't feel the same as it does then. usually they give me this little ping in my head as i'm reading through their post that makes me think, "oh, this is from town and not scum", but i haven't gotten that ping at all. or maybe im just shit at the game idfk
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Post #396 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:24 am
Postby patchwork »
In post 395, Keychain wrote:
understandable, but can you give like a rough list of the players from most wanted in the coalition to least? I'd like to get more opinions from you
me
delta/eira
nsg
keychain
bingle
kawaii
umlaut
dunnstral
n_m
note that this is a very rough approximation. some players havent' caught my attention so they just naturally have to be nearer the bottom, bingle i used to tr on vibes but now i'm a little more skeptical of, umlaut i literally do not remember being here at all and i know they've been posting it's just like they haven't been really there
same for kawaii they're just not doing anything
n_m's at the bottom because cringe, but their play feels more towny than not
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Post #400 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:48 am
Postby patchwork »
idk. dunn's play just doesn't stand out to me at all. and in the posts they have made they just haven't done anything. i don't think town has motivation to do nothing at all (maybe except for n_m)
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Post #420 (isolation #57) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:46 am
Postby patchwork »
i dont think kawaii is lurking intentionally, usually they have to get prodded to actually be active which is why they're in my compromise zone
they could be town could be scum but im more leaning towards scum
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