Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

[Thestatusquo]

me and my goat are here and we are both scum with hellbooks.

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I think I will stubbornly refuse to be a part of any coalition.

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Scum frfr.

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I got isis a belated birthday present so they can't vote me.

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me sheep and my goat rn:

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oh sure, just wasnt thinking about gender at all. That happens when I'm just spit balling. Won't happen again.

[Thestatusquo]

The point still stands that I've bought your vote.

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Also my avatar bet is up. DV no longer controls my avatar. This game can choose what I make it now.

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Brooks I would never.

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me and my goat are here and we are both scum with hellbooks.

this is me next leveling fireisred because I want to see how he reacts to it no one tell him.

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ok everyone who has posted so far is town.

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two scum in {ari fire bulge} ez game ez life.

[Thestatusquo]

Here is another song to get you through the hard times:

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I asked datisi if I could have spoilers and he said no

:<

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we should start voting and immediately also healing the same person the way movie characters slap and then kiss each other. does anyone know what im talking about with this

no

whats kiss

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ok so my gut reads are that hellbooks and sheep are town and skitter could be scum and I will refuse to deviate from those for the remainder of the game.

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last time me and bulge were in a game together we death tunneled each other as tvt and combined to lose town the game so maybe we can do that again here.

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I asked datisi how I was supposed to start a shit fight with hellbooks cuz she would just smirk at me and then I would look like a fool and he told me that was my problem.

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then he shouted GEORGEBAILEY at the top of his lungs and did a kickflip.

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Distancing.

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Actually I lied he told me that was my PERSONAL problem.

But the rest of it is all true. Especially the kickflip part.

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I think the subtle irony is that Baltar and I are not dissimilar people.

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ok everyone who has posted so far is town.

Down to hammer this coalition for the memes

god but what if we did it and won we would be legends

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HEAL: Hellbooks
HEAL: Sheep

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The more I investigate the insides of my bowels the more I am kinda sus of Isis.

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fire can be scum.

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so far i just have the tiny isis townread im keeping in a jar.

why to me her posts are kind of alarming but its a little bit hard for me to say because most of the times I've observed her town game its been through the lens of her playing on some alt gimmick account. I'm used to a more solving mindset early on even when its like idk filtered through the lens of her saying things like "the moon whispers to the trees that shea could be fearing the evils ones" or w/e

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I think one of the things that pinged me about mr fire is red is that his post about people's alignments felt like it was hedging in a way that was kinda self conscious. Like you're giving reads on page 5 I feel like town knows that's ridiculous and just sort of says shit but fires is all hedgy. Shea COULD be town. Sheep COULD not be.

And also like kinda vaguely well poisony for somewhat similar reasons "hellbooks i think may have thought up most of these posts before she even got her role pm" etc.

It's kind of similar to the posting in the last game and feels sorta distinct from his town game that I've observed in that regard.

[Thestatusquo]

I will watch and I will observe.

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i do not like that post

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I make posts like that as scum all the time.

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I think isis is extremely capable of making that post as scum and it worries me that tris doesn't think she is and it double worries me that you're chiming in to support that side of the argument.

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You prefer Shea over tsq in games right Shea?

I have transcended user names.

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the bottled effects are all extremely mid. If I have a choice of a bottle or a key I almost always take the key.

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I'm already feeling like this is going to be one of those games where I don't have a lot of agency

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Idrc?

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If you're town you'll find me.

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that sounds confident

is the dismal future you envision that 7 of us find you town but none of us vote with you

wait six of us

whatever yknow

I've expressed a bunch of thoughts and I don't feel like anyone is evaluating them really or taking them seriously, maybe its just early stage nonsense.

And maybe who knows maybe this will be the first time I've been mislimmed since like 2015 or something like that. Would be exciting.

[Thestatusquo]

Anyway I don't have a filter and if I think something I say it and I don't play the game to be "found" I play the game to find scum.

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Maybe I should consider that in this setup in particular being found has more value than in a normal game of mafia but I think playing specifically to be town read would be such a departure from how I try to play as either alignment that I'm not even really sure how I would go about it.

My strength as a mafia player is being very good at recreating my town game as scum so like its hard for me to even envision what a shea who is just trying to get town reads would look like.

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i think people have engaged with most of your thoughts

good for you.

[Thestatusquo]

Why are you asking that question? Do you think it will help you read me or are you trying to engage with said thoughts yourself or some other reason?

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I think actually what I'm feeling is that everyone in this game is really good friends with each other and I'm kinda like the metaphorical third wheel in this player list to be honest and I do not have a lot of confidence that I can break through that rather than any specific thought.

It's a vibe.

I think that reasoning is a horrible way to read me but you do you.

[Thestatusquo]

I have low self esteem and negative self thoughts as either alignment I promise you.

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I have a"different alignments" conjecture for fire and Shea

Could you state what you mean here more plainly.

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do not understand consensus tris town read at all.

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oh ari might be scum good to know.

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I kinda do.

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Or at the very least I am having a negative reaction to everyone town binning you for reasons that I think are either sketchy or non existent.

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i still want to engage with shea about the isis thing

you're going to have to remind me

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I think ari and fire are most likely to be scum.

I think sheep is most likely to be town.

Kinda waffling on the hellbooks town read because idk the antics just somehow seem less pure to me than they did in the garlic game.

I don't scum read tris but I thought the like moment where everyone decided to apropos of nothing state she was town to be very interesting and I wonder if some of it was TMI which ironically would make her town.

I don't really think tris has done much of anything alignment indicative at all.

[Thestatusquo]

skitz + helly + isis + tris + sheep lets go SHITS COAL!!!!

noh.

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ig I liked Isis' dance around me and fires interaction last night.

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Fire you are just asking so many questions that no reasonable person could think would find my alignment.

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I think the questions you're asking me aren't useful and I think they are more intentioned to make it look like you're asking questions about the game but I don't think they're going to help you find any meaningful conclusions and I don't think town you asks me them.

There's a lot of subtle things I think are problematic in post 446.

a) "You say I scum read 2 people" no, I said 2 people were the most likely to be scum. this does not imply that I scum read no other people. this does not imply that I town read everyone else. this does not imply that I view every other person in the game other than those two as interchangeable.

b) "you gave a list of reads." no, I gave a list of some thoughts that happened to be in my head while I looked at the last few pages. They're not a holistic representation of my view of the whole game, and in order to act like they are you'd have to ignore *gestures vaguely at all the other things I've said this game about thoughts about other peoples alignment*

c) "I don't know why you react this way so often it really confuses me" react what way? As if I think you're scum because you're doing things I think scum do that town do not? Because that is how I am reacting.

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c in particular is alarming because it kind of feels like you're painting my way to you as some pattern of being unreasonable when in fact reacting to a question you think is busywork by scum reading the person asking that question is just baseline mafia play.

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I also feel like the way you're approaching the whole coalition building process is incredibly scummy. It feels like you're not taking it seriously and you want to just pass it off like oh haha I'll vote for whatever when I think town you would be much more interested in buckling down and actually considering whether that coalition you just said "I would potentially vote for shits and giggles" is a good one or not.

But I'm seeing literally zero thought process like that from you.

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Like thats another reason why that question rubs me the wrong way because it feels like you've displayed no inclination whatsoever to put in any work to actually figure out what the right coalition of names should be to the point where your most substantive contribution to that discourse is mainly just saying "oh I'd vote for this as a joke" but then you want to get in the weeds about my coalition thoughts in particular all of a sudden? Nah, b. It's busy work. You don't actually care about the answer.

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c) it felt like you were taking what i thought was a really basic question of "elaborate on that please" as a personal attack and refusing to answer it for some reason. im sorry if i read too much emotion into it but i do feel that a lot from you

This is in your head, friend.

I'm just playing mafia. Truly.

[Thestatusquo]

I am not ever voting for a coalition without me in it and I am kinda shocked that people would consider any coalition that doesnt include the only person they can assume is town in it this early.

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ari and fire both being like oh I wont be in the coalition is super sus because to me it feels like the kind of thing scum might do because they're worried about being seen as too confrontational whereas town would fight for their own inclusion.

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ok ari is lock scum. Less sure on fire.

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ok ari is lock scum. Less sure on fire.

oh? explain your thought process on that please.

you are playing like you play when you're scum.

[Thestatusquo]

Anyway

HEAL:
The Bulge
tris
sheepsaysmeep
skitter
Thestatusquo

[Thestatusquo]

Not really, no.

No one is putting you in their lists, including you, and we're not really voting right now so not really a point.

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I have been tanking deeply on it and I think someone must have been TMIing tris town. I'm not sure which though.

Anyway thats how tris made the list.

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I make posts like that as scum all the time.

what kind of post is that

I dont know how to answer this question.

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shea is just scum claiming atp

I don't think you actually have a thought process you're just trying to discredit me to avoid engaging

This ain't a real thought lmao.

you think scum me thinks a goal I have is to discredit you, a person with no thread presence and no reads and no impact on the game whatsoever so far?

yah ok.

[Thestatusquo]

The one time we played when you were scum I nailed you almost immediately and you are DOING IT AGAIN.

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I have no interest in going deeply into your tells but you have them and you're doing them.

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ok ari is lock scum. Less sure on fire.

oh? explain your thought process on that please.

you are playing like you play when you're scum.

[Thestatusquo]

:thumbs up:

[Thestatusquo]

Ah ok.

I don't think its a real thought process, I think its a joke post.

the "make some nonsensical comment about someones alignment and then tie it into a joking scum claim" is a pattern I've definitely used a lot and that is what I am referring to.

I don't really buy that the specific content of the joke reveals anything meaningful about isis' alignment.

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ok ari is lock scum. Less sure on fire.

oh? explain your thought process on that please.

you are playing like you play when you're scum.

"you are scum because you are playing like when you are scum" is not an explanation or a thought process

I'm not trying to explain my thought process so that makes sense.

[Thestatusquo]

Anyway

HEAL:
The Bulge
tris
sheepsaysmeep
skitter
Thestatusquo

Thestatusquo [5]: hellbooks, sheepsaysmeep, The Bulge, tris, skitter30

idk what happened here but i seem to have devilishly snuck into shea's coal without any one noticing

you were in it first.

I think I have to like
HURT: Hellbooks
to remove you

HEAL: thestatusquo

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cuz I dont see the town motivation to not explain your thought process behind a scumread like at all

I'm not telling you what your tells are so that you can stop doing them next time we play sorry.

I'd like to have this exact same conversation next time you're scum with me too.

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I am playing to win this game.

I don't see why "explaining to scum why they are scum" is part of playing to win.

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I don't really think tris has done much of anything alignment indicative at all.

i think she has a harder time vibing in real time if scum

And...she has...done that? this game?????

Are you even reading this game?

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showing the other 8 players your thought process to convince them that you are town is like playing townie 101

Ok.

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HURT: Skitter

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Maybe fire is town after all.

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like if you're actually town with real town thoughts behind your scum read, i think its basic responsibility to the town to like actually explain them

Any thoughts on anything else this game or do you just want to keep telling me how to play?

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like if you're actually town with real town thoughts behind your scum read, i think its basic responsibility to the town to like actually explain them

Any thoughts on anything else this game or do you just want to keep telling me how to play?

i already said I think you and fire are the scum team do you expect me to catch a third scum too?

perhaps that thought process you've been informing me is the responsibility of townies to communicate idk.

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yeah ok I think fire is town ig.

Scum team is skitter and ari.

[Thestatusquo]

i really do not think the scumteam is skitter and ari

I am very interested in hearing why if you have a moment.

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yeah ok I think fire is town ig.

Scum team is skitter and ari.

why is the scumteam me/ari?

Well as I already said ari is lock scum.

And your positions don't make sense to me as anything other than a way to bump aris thread power level personally. I don't think you actually think any of the things you said you think and all of them just so happen to back up ari.

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alright, I'll look forward to saying I told you so I guess.

[Thestatusquo]

alright, I'll look forward to saying I told you so I guess.

what is this about

gunna lurk for a while. I'm feeling pretty down on how I'm being interacted with this game so I'm just gunna nope out for a bit.

Ari is always scum here.

[Thestatusquo]

maybe you're right but I doubt me/shea will ever heal each other so it won't possibly pass

"maybe you're right"

the comment of someone who is "100% voting shea"

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You very clearly are just omgusing and don't actually think I'm scum its very funny.

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I have no problem explaining myself as scum. It's really not hard.

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Not cant, wont. I don't want to.

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I get that this annoys you and I'm sorry for that, thats sincerely not my intent.

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Sheep is the towniest player in this game tbh.

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I am so confused why my coalition keeps not having 5 names in it.

Datisi must pay for his many crimes.

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Datisi has pointed out to me that I had skitter in my coalition but then removed skitter from my coalition and therefore it does not have 5 names.

Frankly I find this explanation outrageous.

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I still kind of feel like hellbooks jokey vibes feel more forced this game than last game.

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I make posts like that as scum all the time.

This post was also strange because for sample-size-this-game it does not seem like how Shea plays mafia at all

my first post in garlic bread heist was "I am scum with vpb so no one pressure either of us." as scum with vpb.

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Because she's scum

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That post kind of tmis me town tbh

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The fun thing about this game isis is you can get a running list of the people I think are town in the first post.

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Ari continues to be the most obvious scum in the world.

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which townreads are you excited about?

I think sheep is town. I'm actually coming around to a pretty strong fire town read.

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if you're town shea you should put more effort into this game

I don't need to I've caught scum already

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It's day one.

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HEAL: Fireisred

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I've played 3 games with ari and read 4 more.

She's scum here.

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Because I'm having zero fun in it.

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Not being town probably.

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Name the last time you saw me play town

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And in my last scum game I was the highest post count player by a lot.

See this is a disingenuous argument. You're trying to tell half narratives to paint some kind of story that I'm scum in this game but your facts are either cherry picked or just wrong.

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It's day one.

Could you explain this post

i'm not trying to solve the whole game on day 1. I'm pretty content with a very strong scum read a couple strong town reads and some random pings in either direction.

[Thestatusquo]

you couldn't bury me if you tried.

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But your questioning all has a tone of "oh idk I think {insert cherry picked anecdote about my meta here that suggests I'm scummy that doesn't hold up to scrutiny}

If you're actually trying to evaluate me you're not trying very hard.

[Thestatusquo]

I think this has been true about all of your analysis so far tbh not just me. Shallow and politicial.

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I like that ari simultaneously lives in the world where I haven't said why I read her as scum but also that said read is bad.

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Wrong and bad are not the same. And "so bad" implies you know that. Otherwise things couldn't be so bad because it would just be binary right or wrong.

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The fun thing is its not wrong.

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I agree that I think my "hellbooks isnt doing the same vibe" gut worry has erupted into full blown alarm bells.

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sheepsaysmeep, The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisred

This coalition wins.

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As long as we can lim you after.

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i dunno i just feel like everyone is kind of just spinning their wheels

but shea is like

i know whats going on

and i know hes wrong but its still kind of hot

Plan a of attack me to get rid of the scum read didnt work, now its time for her to pivot.

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im ngl i could provbly force a win on coalition phase but sheas stupid scumread has annoyed me so much thaf im gonn just meme lol

extremely convenient. you still havent made any contribution to this game outside of trying to attack me.

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its actually amazing you can be that oblivious as town

Name the things you've done and the positions you've taken

[Thestatusquo]

That doesn't feel like an answer

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I said: you have taken very few concrete positions this game and done very little to sort people.

You: lol that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Me: ok so what are the positions you've taken and the things you've done to sort

You: ur a jackass!

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she's spent the last like 20 pages arguing that you're scum
what are you asking even

You are throwing. Back the fuck off my questioning if you're town thanks.

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im gonna log off b4 i say something actually mean

How about trying to answer the question.

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why didn't i get a cool banner when i won tm >.>

When did you win? They've done them the last few years.

You should petition to get one retroactively if you didn't before.

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she's spent the last like 20 pages arguing that you're scum
what are you asking even

You are throwing. Back the fuck off my questioning if you're town thanks.

Also are you paying any attention? Because she explicitly has not been doing this. She reflexively omgused me and then has spent the rest of the game trying various tactics to get my to drop the scum read including multiple times trying to turn it into a town read. It's not a real thought she has on the state of the game. For someone who made a big deal about my scum read being unexplained because I don't feel like explaining a meta read she has done zero work to explain that scum read except by saying 'lol your scum read is so bad.'

Again if you're town please pay more attention because your fundamental understanding of the game is deeply flawed.

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Shea: I don't have to engage a question from Isis about townreads or find a scum other than Ari cause I already found scum
Shea: Ari is scum because she's only attacked my slot and done nothing else.


I don't believe hypocrisy is scum indicative it's my mantra I find it ironic tho

What question of yours did I not engage with

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I literally have like 3 town reads that I have expressed multiple times. Isis are you scum?

[Thestatusquo]

Well hopefully it produces an Ari lim.

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i don't really think the "prove that you've done things in this game" line of questioning is ever very productive idk what it's supposed to accomplish

I'll ask you then, what stances other than saying you and I were scum and then immediately backing off of it has Ari taken this game.

She got in the weeds with you a bit about the theory of who should be in ones coalition but nothing alignment wise came of that

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sheepsaysmeep, The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisred

This coalition wins.

that is an ugly coalition

Explanation how about instead of just nonsense.

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The fun thing about this game isis is you can get a running list of the people I think are town in the first post.

To be fair when I wrote that post I thought the coalitions were listed in the first post.

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I think sheep is never scum here.

I have developed a pretty firm town read on fire because I think he would have approached the interaction between me and Ari very differently as scum.

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The remaining two in my coalition are weaker. Tris because I kinda do think she got tmi'd and the bulge because he seems to be willing to let me cook.

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sheepsaysmeep, The Bulge, tris, Thestatusquo, fireisred

This coalition wins.

that is an ugly coalition

Explanation how about instead of just nonsense.

well the only slot i'm even vaguely confident is town is tris
and it has a pair of people that i'm pretty confident has at least one scum
someone that i'm probably scumreading
and the guy who's been lurking

I find your reads fascinating.

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I think her reads on you and me were extremely political and continue to be.

I think she has focused on my scum read of her to an almost comical degree and used it to avoid talking about the game to a large degree outside of specifically you me and her.

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I think her reads on you and me were extremely political and continue to be.

I think she has focused on my scum read of her to an almost comical degree and used it to avoid talking about the game to a large degree outside of specifically you me and her.

i don't see why she would be more motivated to not talk about the rest of the game if she were scum compared to if she were town

My claim is that she's not trying to solve the game. You don't see value in scum being able to hide their lack of solving in a large thread presence that ultimately isn't helping to solve the game? Really?

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Isis I am finding you really frustrating to play with right now but I hope you know I still enjoy you as a human being.

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Ok but surely you see that was hyperbole and the point I'm making is more nuanced than that?

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Isis why did you press me to relist my town reads that I've mentioned many times while saying I have no town reads and then ostensibly getting mad at me for failing to answer your question and then just completely ignore the answer.

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Yeah because I'm annoyed.

[Thestatusquo]

That's fair.

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From my pov Ari is just very clearly scum and everyone is being like oh Shea you're crazy and I don't really know how to react to that because not everyone who is pushing that narrative can be scum.

[Thestatusquo]

So like I'm frustrated and trying to hyperbolically show the parts of the read that I feel like explaining in the simplest terms.

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I think my coalition wins the game like 60% of the time and I feel pretty good about that.

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I really only wanted like 1 townread, and 1 line of reasoning
Maybe it is miscommunication but I defaulted to thinking you understood that and answer similar inquiries that are not quite the inquiry rather than interact
Since like, the soapbox earlier in the game was "I do townspew tasks as either alignment" and it wouldn't be hard to guess I was more interested in reading your justification bit for alignment than to adopt your reads as my own

Ok but now you have all my reasoning for my coalition so what say you

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I don't have any real reason to explicitly scum read skitter but her world view is just so different from mine in a way I find kind of hard to get to from a town pov.

Townies can have different reads on the game from me obviously but it's felt like every time she's interacted with me about it her interest has been in discrediting me rather than trying to find any common ground.

[Thestatusquo]

Sometimes when I get annoyed I just post. It would be better if I sat back and thought about exactly what I want to say instead of just hip firing but I hip fire anyway.

Evergreen Shea characteristic.

[Thestatusquo]

I picked that number from my butt.

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I was going to say l like 90 but then I was like ehhhh that's ridiculous I'm not actually that confident that would require me to be like lock town on the whole list which I'm definitely not.

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In particular I think bulge could be scum but the way he's approached the thread hasn't felt like someone who was trying to accomplish scum goals to me, especially from my pov of knowing I'm town. Would have been pretty easy for scum bulge to come in here and lightly shade me and given that else was going on thread momentum wise it basically would have gotten rid of any chance of me ever being in a coalition at very little cost to him.

He didn't do that he instead expressed mild support. I'm not sure why he does that as his main thread contribution as scum.

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I read sheep purely off of vibes. I think he's doing sheep stuff and I think he frequently feels more agenda driven to me as scum.

Pop in see some stuff to talk about pop out is town scum vibes imo.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm actually incredibly worried about you. I don't know whenever I've watched you play on alts there's been an undercurrent to your posting which felt like pure information dumps of your thoughts. Even if they were couched in weird gimmick alt stuff.

Idk if it's the structure of the gimmick that forces you to post like this because it's like the only way you can actually convey real information but I'm not getting that same feel from you here. I'm getting like this weird sense that you're just observing and then asking questions that push the thread narrative where you want it to go.

So like it's not like I'm scum reading you exactly but I'm not town reading you and given my experience moderating your gimmick alt games I kinda expected to be able to town read you.

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I think I'd be a much better Mafia player if answering questions didn't just baseline annoy me as either alignment.

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Do you have some scum games I can look at? Light reading if you will.

[Thestatusquo]

Idc

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I think town isis would probably be town reading me here

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I also like think that this whole 'wow it's fascinating that everyone finds me scummy that's interesting let's investigate it!' thing is like very in your scum range bordering on being exactly how I would expect you to react to being scum read like this as scum but maybe that's not fair.

[Thestatusquo]

I might be idk
If you think I'd be unequivocal about it I guess you're off

I think you'd be in your coalition.

[Thestatusquo]

Id be.

[Thestatusquo]

You've seemed like kind of disinterested in actually expressing a read on me while asking me a lot of questions and pointing out supposed inconsistencies in what I say a lot.

So I guess I'm super curious what has come out of all of that prodding and what your read actually is and why

[Thestatusquo]

Like idk if I'm being non-charitable it almost feels like you're trying to set up bad associatives with me in a world where you flip red.

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I'm pretty sure most people dislike me but that's ok.

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That's what gives me pause about you. I don't think you're partnered with Ari almost ever.

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Isis I'm going to order food what should I get?

Fire can answer too.

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I'm vegetarian

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And I don't.

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I don't think it's as simple as Ari or you fwiw. I just think your scum equity goes up a lot in an Ari town world, not that you necessarily can't be town-town.

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They do but it's kind of sad to pay 7 dollars for some rice and a slice of cucumber.

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I want sheep to tell me if he's still comfy having hellbooks in his coalition

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I mean I think most vegetarian food is just normal food? Do you just never eat meals that don't contain meat?

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Mozzarella sticks has animal products

I've eaten nothing but white rice for lunch and a bagel for breakfast but that lacks excitement

I eat animal products just not animals.

I have ordered Chipotle.

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I like most vegetables a lot.

I just eat whole green peppers for lunch sometimes.

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Disappointed we didn't get fires take on this important issue

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I like both those things but I'm trying to lower my consumption of mayo based sauces because I don't like being as chunky as I am.

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I don't have any real reason to explicitly scum read skitter but her world view is just so different from mine in a way I find kind of hard to get to from a town pov.

Townies can have different reads on the game from me obviously but it's felt like every time she's interacted with me about it her interest has been in discrediting me rather than trying to find any common ground.

Incidentally this is what i feel abt you :p
Your coalition is literally the exact opposite of mine lol

If you're town here i would like to try to sort this out tho; and get to the point where i feel good enuf abt the read to maybe put you in the coalition

i'm not sure we're ever going to get to the *same* worldvirew tbh but maybe we can try to understand each other

What do u want to talk abt

well his entire worldview is built on "ari is lockscum by meta that I can't explain" so it's not surprising he lives a in a different dimension than us.

This is just definitely not true.

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It's ironic because I feel you entire worldview is based on being reactionary to my scum read on you but I've talked a whole shit ton about other things in this game and really have only come back to you when you've brought my scum read up. Which you've been doing constantly.

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All of it. Specifically the fire scum read seemed entirely based on it.

It's hard to say because you don't have much of a worldview at all.

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i dont even scumread fire atp you literally dont even know what my worldview is

Never claimed you did?

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All of it. Specifically the fire scum read seemed entirely based on it.

whose fire scum read are you even talking about then

I used the past tense for a reason?

I don't really think you've had much of any world view at all since you've backed off the me and fire scum reads. But you keep talking about me constantly.

Like you think I'm stupid and therefore town now. Great. Super cool.

Who is scum?

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The thing that gives me trouble with townbinning Shea is he keeps posting that Aristeia is mafia but keeps interacting with her/treating her like she's bad town

I know that pattern can come up legitimately in some cases because the moderator doesn't flash someone's rolecard when you reach 90% confidence or anything but there's usually an organic balance of both angles that usually looks different from this.

What. I have absolutely not done that.

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Of all the things I've been accused of in mafia games I think this is the absolute least true one.

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Please provide examples.

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I think that is so off base from how I have interacted with ari that I am quite literally flabbergasted at the claim.

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HURT: all
HEAL: tsq, fireisredsir, skitter, tris, sheep

so this is my list swapping out the bulge for skitter? Hmmm.

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like if you've actually read his town games, his reads r p bad

This is the most true thing said about me so far in this game.

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no I dont I have a lot of boredom.

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that I can do while working?

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I don't want to back off an Ari scum read but the more isis posts the more I think almost everything she's saying doesn't make any sense.

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Is like Isis hbooks a viable team?

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And I really don't like how heavily she's leaning into the I'm scum thing.

Like when town runs this joke it tends to be like oh haha one and done but I think there's like some inclination to keep it up as scum that I haven't really seen any one not named fire bringer pull off as town.

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This is Datisi erasure

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I guess hellbooks kind of did it in garlic bread but that felt very different to me from what Isis is doing.

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As a human being I am sorry you feel that way. I am however immune to ate in the context of mafia

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Ok but I think youre scum so that's the least validating reach out lol


Uh let me think

I think I talked about townreading skitter multiple times and no one either agreed or disagreed

I literally directly tried to interact with you about skitter and you completely ignored me...

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Didn't anyone notice that hellbooks's join date was over 3 years ago and yet she has

zero

game relevant posts?

deep cut, but yes actually.