Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

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Hello hello
I just watched the barbie movie and it was glorious

VOTE: dats

Ausuka's probably town

vla on fridays/saturdsay, etc

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Also i learned that cucumbers and peppers were fruit as well like two weeks ago and i was like ... mind blown

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First.

-shade

Which one of u is which

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Atsi r u an alt of someone i have played with?

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I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

well I don't think you'd fake claim miller after that previous experience we had :)

Can u briefly summarize said prior experience?

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VOTE: marci

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I don't like this take, actually

R u tsq?

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No
And it sounds like her reaction makes sense given the prior context

Like do u think she's scum purposefully coming into the game fake-claiming this?

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Ok, what are u saying then, if i misunderatood

I believe i understand your point, but if you're calling her scummy for her emotional reaction, you're also saying you think scum-her thinks it's a good idea to enter the thread this way, and i want you to explain why you think she does that
VOTE: night shade

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Like i get ur not officially calling her scum rn but it reads as shade if you're not going to

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something feels Off about the skitter/shea conversation

no i don't know exactly what i'll figure it out at some point

Yes plz vote shea ty

Enjoy ur trip

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I don't think his ausuka take is real
It sounds like he's throwing shade but is purposefully not going sonfar as to call her scum

Also idk why he's calling me scum, doesnt seem like a reasonable reaction to what I said, or what he's implying by complaining that i 'misunderstood' him

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I am saying that her emotional reaction feels over the top to me, I noted it and then said pretty explicitly "ausuka is not a super gambit heavy player so I am going to tuck that thought away for later."

Like you're attacking me for apparently not considering a possibility that I have explicitly already talked about. Something about a player in this game rubbed me wrong, I commented on it and said what I thought about it. You can call that shade but I call it baseline town play.

Nothing in this interaction suggests to me you're trying to figure out my alignment even a little bit. It feels like you're looking for a hook to attack and you don't care about the particulars.

-Shade

Yes, i am going to call it shade b/c that's what it looked like to me

And idk what u mean by the last paragraph. Pushing u on p3 for something that seems off is exactly how i go abt solving, especially early in the game

Are you like be all and end all scum?
No
But is it off enuf thay i think it's interesting and worth pushing and seeing what shakes out, yes

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Honestly Datisi ALSO feels off in this conversation what the hell. You seem like...way too diplomatic dude

-Shade

Also, yes
Pedit
Ok b/c. ...?

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I can't type as fast as u >.>
Dats feels off agreed

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I don't get the bravado on your read on me either ....

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I have no idea why you think i should know how to read you

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Yes but the background explains the performativeness-ness imo

+ i just don't think it's likely that scum who isnt, like, flavor leaf claims miller in their first post so even if it's performative i don't really care

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I think i was annoyed that you voted me
I probably don't actually think ur scum here
UNVOTE:

I have to counts the votes but i probably go back to voting dats here

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I have no idea why you think i should know how to read you

And this feels like a misrep.

Here is what I said

My bravado is always there, thats how I get reads. I feel like you should know this.

in response to you saying you didn't understand the bravado of my read.

That is not just a subtly different statement then me claiming "you should know how to read me" its not even in the same ballpark. I am saying you should have at least have passing familiarity with my playstyle and know that I am aggressive and loud, which is a much more reasonable claim than like the one you're attacking here which is like pretending I'm nancy drew and saying you're scum for not town reading me.

Fair enuf
Pedit
Ok i see we're going to clash a lot and i'm not going to like this

In the moment i did not like ur take on me, and it made me scumread u
And when dats said he wanted to vote within this pair:
- his reaction was bad
- i wanted to see if he would actually do it
- and if so who and what reasoning he would give

Also i was scumreading u and wanting more votes on you

As this convo goes on i am less sure abt the scumread and thinking i might be scumreading a personality, and i am choosing to back off now and reasseasing later

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Plz elaborate on said bizareness

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@dats yes like i already said
I agree that shea is not like the scummiest scum to obvscum

But it felt weird and pinged
And i think at this stage of the game jumping on things that ping is how to get things rolling

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>.>

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It did so i said it
I am aware what that would make a variety of people think, i said it anyways

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I think ausuka, inifinity and probably elements are town here
Night shade hydra tbd
Dats feels really quite odd

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Nullscum and which ones

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@dats yes like i already said
I agree that shea is not like the scummiest scum to obvscum

But it felt weird and pinged
And i think at this stage of the game jumping on things that ping is how to get things rolling

that's not my problem, nobody here is gonna be scummiest scum to obvscum on page 3 or whatever

my problem is the Things you actually pushed him on being ???

They felt off to me so i pushed them
Wrt 107 - shea is allowed to make a passing comment that ausuka's reaction felt overblown. I pushed it b/c:
-> it didnt, in fact, feel overblown given prior context
-> i felt like if you're going to say something like that, you need ro weigh whether or not scum's likely to make the claim in the first place. If you don't think this is likely, i don't see why it's particularly important or relevant that it felt overblown - the fact that it's overblown doesnt really mean anything vis a vis her alignment then. The disconnect here is what i was pushing, it seems like shade if it isnt followed up with: and i think she's scummy (and even more importantly- i think she's fake-claiming)

I don't know why this is ????? to you

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It feels like skitter backed down from the vote on Night Shade too easily once things started to feel like they were swinging back her way. Then tried to save face by migrating the scumread to playstyle differences.

I mean he started off with pushing me/escalated it so idk why you think i was backing down later b/c he 'started to swing my way' when i was v fine pushing him back when the thing initially started

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Nullscum and which ones

i dont remember
i dont think i agree with any of them yet, but some of them seem more logial than others ig

I don't get what this post, or the prior one, mean in the context of reads i shared
Like you just don't like them in general? Can you point to a read you dislike in particular?

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"This person who I know extremely well sounds over the top to me compared to when she is legitimately upset that I have witnessed."

I mean sincerely I am referring to this. I think in a vacuum it is not unreasonable for someone who does not know my feelings about millers in advance to raise an eyebrow at my entrance but this line kind of caught my eye because I don't think being slightly over-the-top about frustration is particularly out of character for me. Like I did not 'need' to use profanity to demonstrate how much I hate the colour yellow-green on discord yesterday but I did so anyway.

I guess what I'm feeling is that it kinda felt like not real to me in the sense that it felt like you were deliberately choosing to make it seem exceptionally angry.

I can't guess your mindset but I've been thinking about this for a bit and I wonder if its possible that its because there was a decently long break between getting the role PM and the game starting and you kinda maybe were stewing on the role and thinking about your entrance in your head? I mean I think that's a plausible reason you would feel like overworked and not real to me in your emotion in those posts if you were town.

But like the other thing I want to touch on here is skitter seems to be picking at very minor things with me but doesn't even consider the possibility that you could be doing it as scum. Like, I get like thinking that its town on a personal level but skitter seemed to be acting like there is no benefit whatsoever for anyone to ever claim miller as scum. And I have a hard time wrapping my head around that because I don't really understand what the downside is for claiming miller as scum if a) you can get away with it and b) the reaction by people is to town read it. I get that there is the history with you and ari here but I suspect skitter didn't know that history when they made those posts and even if they did you being town the last time this happened would make me personally think I could get away with doing it and the cheekyscumfuck in me would want to because its funny.

Like, I don't really know if I think you would feel the same way because you are different from me and I'm not sure how cheeky you are. (at least a little cheeky: "vig baltar") but its definitely something I'm thinking about given I felt like the tone of those posts felt staged to me and I feel like its an extremely reasonable thing for me to be thinking about and everything about skitters interaction with me on the subject screams "bad faith"

I just think that it's exceedingly unlikely enuf that i don't need to worry abt it rn
Idk if ausuka is that cheeky scum. Like i def know people who are, i don't particularly feel like she's one of them (and you're not sure she is apparently)

(Also i'm a she btw)

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it actually feels kind of disheartening to be told that nothing i'm saying is making any sense when i feel like i'm TRYING to explain my pov as best as i can and it's a little jumbled but everyone is just like "wow datisi so odd datisi scum"

>.>

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Crap day at work and brain mush >.>
Nothing especially new tho, not a lot happened since i has here

Infinity is probably town
Shea pinged me a bunch, as did black's entrance, trying to decide how much stock i'm putting into this rn, his approach wrt me vis a vis ausuka still doesnt feel great to me

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Thanks:)

Gonna be p hectic for the next 10 days or so >.>

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Bunch of they's

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Fair enuf

And ok
I don't like your take and i don't know right now if i scumread you for it or not, that's where i am, i'm still stewing on it and don't have a conclusion rn

I would try to read black instead but i've misread scum-her a whole bunch so i'm a little dubious if i can + she posted less than you

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Ok do u want me to quote each time you did?

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What do u want me to justify?

Like the ask is: what am i scumreading you for and where have you pinged me?

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look i'm trying here to see if i can understand you and if you can understand me
i'm asking what you want from me, all you need to do is answer that, i don't know what's with the passive-aggression

that's what i'm assuming you want, and i will do that

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@black how much have you read btw?
i can't tell if your intro is, like, you haven't not read anything or you choosing to let shea talk or idk

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i think i've already explained my thought process wrt the initial vote/sr multiple times, and that it's been adequately justified, but again

- i understand that you were making a side comment wrt ausuka seeming over the top
- to me, i think as a baseline it's unlikely for scum to come in and fake-claim miller. there is a subset of people on this site that i think would do that regardless, ausuka is not one of them
- her emotion can be explained by prior history
- as such, the fact that she's over-the-top doesn't seem important or relevant
- so if it isn't important or relevant, i can understand why you have that thought but it seems like it shade ot me to throw it out there without tying it back to the scumread
- this is what i initially scumread you for
- this isn't me saying you are lock-scum, it's me saying that this was interesting enuf for me to push at this stage of the game, so i did
- i think, quite frankly, i find your playstyle a bit irksome and that also contributed to an over-reaction which led to me voting you
- i recognized that this read is being colored by the fact that i was annoyed by you, so i'm taking a step back to reassess
- i do not know right now if you are scum for this or not
- i do not think this progression is scummy and i don't understand why your'e acting like it's unfathomable that i need to think abt this and make a decision when i'm not being clouded by a snap-rush of emotion

from my pov you're repeatedly taking potshots and basically just acting like my entire stance (and half my posts) is utterly unreasonable + apparently completely unexplained when i've said the above like three or four times now

also:
- you've said several times now that you don't think that ausuka is the sort of player that would lolclaim miller here as scum -> why is unreasonable for me to think that as well? you're complaining that i'm not considering the case for scum-her but you don't think she's likely to do this as scum anyways, so why should i ... ? like you're dinging me for saying i think it's unlikely she does this when your conclusion is that she's town here anyways ...
- like i get that you're the sort of player that would; i don't think ausuka is so i don't know why on page 8 i need to be asterisking something that i found townie. if she does scummy things i can reassess but she hasn't so far and on page 8 i'm really just fine saying i don't think this comes from scum
- i don't know why out of game anger abt something that apparently happened on discord is a good comparison to this game, or why that's being used as a baseline

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I don't think so but appreciating the fact that someone understood what i was saying

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I would like shea to plz say if he still feels my thought process is 'unjustified'
And if it is what i'm missing
And if it isnt what his current issue is

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@black your entrance seemed off b/c of what you chose to talk abt

I couldnt tell if you hadnt read and were just saying hi -> nai
Or did read and wasnt posting content -> scummy

Hence why i asked how much i read

I find the hydra dissonance scummy tbh

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You said I have "pinged you a bunch."

Care to unpack that claim some because from where I'm sitting I made one observation that you failed to explain any justification for why it was even remotely out of the ordinary and then backtracked on immediately and have not mentioned anything else.

Like i don'f think this is presently substantiated and i want to know what ur present issue is with me

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are berries fruits?

I was kinda skimming and focusing on this which seemed really off in a 'i'm making inane rvs-comments when there's already real content to work with' sort of way

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But fair enuf

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@black your entrance seemed off b/c of what you chose to talk abt

I couldnt tell if you hadnt read and were just saying hi -> nai
Or did read and wasnt posting content -> scummy

Hence why i asked how much i read

I find the hydra dissonance scummy tbh

I literally said in my entrance that I haven't read anything (twice) so I'm not sure how you could have this thought? Idk this just feels like shade for the sake of it

-Night

Also why is this shade, i didnf call you scum for it

I missed that but was trying to get the information anyways before coming to a conclusion. Where's the shade here

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Oh no dats is scum

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I do get a kick out of saying it as scum, yes
That's not what i said tho

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Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself.

have you, uh ever played with skitter before

Yeah but I was scum so it doesn't really count. What's your point though?

my point is that saying "this person is town because i can follow their logic" is a godawful argument to make, doubly so when it's skitter you're talking about who's definitely a good enough player to keep her internal points consistent

like, in my mind i'm osculating between "dragon is town because that argument is so bad no way scum ever makes it" and "dragon is scum because he didn't even look at whether skitt's post make sense as scum or town motivation and townchucked her for being logical"

How likely is this dragon-is-scum universe to you?

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maybe a slight sideeye to skitter for not saying "you shouldn't townread me for that" because i know town-her says that semi-often and i'm sure her scum ego would be at least slightly wounded at implying scum-her can't keep inner logic consistent

Where did i say this

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I do get a kick out of saying it as scum, yes
That's not what i said tho

okay, what provoked the "oh no datisi is scum" post then?

How likely is this dragon-is-scum universe to you?

fuck if i know. slightly above rand, but i don't have a confident read on most of the game yet so i'm not tying myself to any reads

Ok so. ... why is that world more likely

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maybe a slight sideeye to skitter for not saying "you shouldn't townread me for that" because i know town-her says that semi-often and i'm sure her scum ego would be at least slightly wounded at implying scum-her can't keep inner logic consistent

Where did i say this

Oh my bad i thought u said i said this
Skimming at work is bad >.>

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VOTE: Night shade

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Tell shea he needs to substantiate his half of this scumread

I don't really believe town-you is likely to just outsource this to shea that way tbh

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@skitter why not? I've never been confident in my town game, especially early. It makes sense to defer to someone a little more skilled until I have something better to contribute

-Night

This seems uncharacteristic of you, and you don't seem particularly interested in trying to sort me

What is your independant read of me, not sheas?

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I do get a kick out of saying it as scum, yes
That's not what i said tho

okay, what provoked the "oh no datisi is scum" post then?

How likely is this dragon-is-scum universe to you?

fuck if i know. slightly above rand, but i don't have a confident read on most of the game yet so i'm not tying myself to any reads

Ok so. ... why is that world more likely

because i don't townread the slot otherwise?

can you answer the first question

I think it's scummy that you're angling to the 'scum with bad take' vs 'town with bad take' world here

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I don't necessarily
Bur while this might be a Not Great thought, it doesnt particularly look like a scum one to me

Work, later

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Town marci

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Seriously ... kinda wild that both black and dats are going with that

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Marci can i interest you in a night shade vote?

Pedit it's not impossible but like ... how likely do you think that is for scum-him to replace in and decide to defend town-me this way?

Question for dats too - part od why i think it's quite odd that you're landing on this being more likely to be scum

Also there is a *lot* of momentum for me rn ...

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I don't think it's nearly as likely as you think it is

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How your slot is approaching this to me is like utterly foreign; i feel like either ur playing a totally different game then i am, or you're engaging in bad faith

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Ok so you think it's more likely that scum-dragon replaces in and decides to defend me instead of just following the push that shea's making?

This is assuming we're tvt
You/dragon svs would be really strange, i don't think he comes in and defends me either in that case

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Ok so you think it's more likely that scum-dragon replaces in and decides to defend me instead of just following the push that shea's making?

Idk the likelihood behind it tbh. I'm not saying Dragon is scum for this. I'm saying he's not town for it

So you're cautioning marci not to townread it b/c it *might* come from scum, but don't want to commit to how likely it is?

Everything can come from scum, the trick is to determine if its likely or not ...

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skitter I feel like we had a similar discussion recently...

I think it's p unlikely that thise posts come from scum. Do you really think that this post is equally likely to come from town/scum?

I'm not sure about the liklihood, but I can tell you that I read it and it did not make me think "ok Omi is probably town". I don't know where the disconnect here is between us, maybe I'm just more skeptical about early reads than you are or something

So yeah, not sure how this behavior is foreign. You've seen it pretty recently, from me even

Actually ok this is fair wrt foreign
Wasnt i right on that one?

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Pedit it's not impossible but like ... how likely do you think that is for scum-him to replace in and decide to defend town-me this way?

Question for dats too - part od why i think it's quite odd that you're landing on this being more likely to be scum

sorry i really don't undertstand what is supposed to be so unlikely about it. if you're buddies there's clear motive for that. even from town-you pov, scum defends town all the time. especially if you so claim that you have a lot of momentum on you. a defense like that that likely won't deter anyone from actually voting you is actually a really good place for scum if he can make it seem genuine??

- do u think we're buddies
- agreed that it's possible for scum to do this ... i just think it's significantly less likely than just voting me

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I don't think it's that abnormal for scum to defend an early town wagon. Sure scum!Dragon wouldn't need to do it, but what's the harm in earning free town points? Do you really think skitter's wagon had enough momentum to get all the way to a lim? I don't

-Night

@black what does this post mean/what are you trying to do with it

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@dats why doesnt scum just follow the push that has a lot of momentum?

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@dragon fwiw i'm generally considered to have a good scumgame, dats/night shade are generally making accurate statements here

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Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

Was the vote in 30 a real vote, or rvs?
Trying to understand the timeline of how this scumread developed

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Dats u feel really performative and like over the top

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I think I meant performative in the sense that you're using exaggerating

It makes me want to sr like all of your posts b/c they feel fake

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Not really more making an observation/asking abt it

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infinity it feels like you want to vote for dragoneater but you're concerned about how it will look and you want to slowly walk the vote there but you kind of hope other people will off the slot for you.

because you expressed net scumread316 on the slot - it became viable and your vote is currently uncast and its a y-2 wagon. You think your position in the game is relatively town-read and it would look bad if you voted so soon after Datisi so you're waiting to see what happens.

This is probably a little more compelling to me than your stuff abt infinity's dats' trajectory
But on balance not sure i find it convincing

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I still find night shade ro be ridiculously scummy

Idk why this is dead

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>.>
Also shea

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Not really, more just sharing my thoughts havent changed as the game slows down

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Why agai
N

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Why again?

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I don't get ur trajectory changed here

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I don't get ur trajectory changed here

i don't rly care if you don't get it? is there some rule that says i have to make sure skitter understands what i'm doing before i do it?

No and i'm not sure why you're being so aggressive/prickly?

It's a game abt understanding people's reasoning for doing things, and i don't think there was any indication that you had changed your mind until that, and inevitably someone else was going to ask you ...

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Ok then

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I don't even know how to respond to that
You just shut me down for trying to understand your thought process

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i'm kind of annoyed rn so i'm just gonna step away from the game for the weekend. maybe shea will post at some point, idk

I will say i'm sorry for annoying you

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Ugh i feel a little sad :/

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I believe that's e1

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Wait wtf.

There was a whole page written since the VC and someone E-1'd TL.

Fuck I didn't mean to lolhammer holy shit :cry: :cry: :cry:

There was a vc
Someone e1'd
I pointed out it was e1

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Not sure it makes dragon scum idk

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Ok i would not have expected infinity to die here, i thought they were kinda scummy

I don't have a great sense of what my reads are rn

And sorry night shade for grossly misreading you

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I don't know if this really matters b/c i'm sure scum probably have fake-claims

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But i'm not sure i can say it's anti-town either

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i am saying scum very likely has fakeclaims thus a cc will not happen

any info that we give to scum that we do not have to give to scum and that is unlikely to help us is antitown

I'm gonna be honest i don't get it

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They're flavored as vegetables, no? If they just claim being a zuchinni or something we'll know they're scum, so i'm assuming cakez gave them a fruit to claim

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I think we probably shouldnt but it also probably doesn't matter

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?

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Yeah i don't know if i want to flip dragoneater here

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yoo lowkey if all the vts are differently flavored why cant we all just claim our fruit and duke it out from there lmao

Also i don't really like this suggestion

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VOTE: dats

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I wonder if they like picked up a soft from infinity - their reads don't really explain why they died

Pedit i'm going to reword that to: i don't think they were townread enuf to die

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Well if it's going to be night I might as well quickly write my other thoughts and continue avoiding my real life responsibilities :D

I don't think this and the following post is scum's reaction to lolhammering

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Hmmm?

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B/c

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Well if it's going to be night I might as well quickly write my other thoughts and continue avoiding my real life responsibilities :D

I don't think this and the following post is scum's reaction to lolhammering

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I don't think making a point of sharing reads at the expense of 'real life responsibilities' is scum's immediate reaction to lolhammering

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(Yes)

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Anyway Datisi I kinda understand your reasoning here on Skitter, but is she actually known to plan eliminations 2 days in advance?

Because that's pretty lit if she can do that. I could never do that.

like idk how often this happens and it makes you sound a bit paranoid (which is not scummy btw, it's actually townie when I think about it).
So umm you did say she was a pro scum player, do you think it's within her range?

she is an excellent scum player and this sort of thing is like the most basic elimination planning (aka even i could do it) so yes it is def within her range

it is also within her range to make up a reason why she townread you for it later, @skit i did see the post you quoted but i just don't find it town-indicative for you at all sorry

I'm not saying it's town-indicative for me i'm saying it should be town-indicative for dragon -> your scumread on me is in part predicated on the fact that i'm townreading dragon, and i'm explaining why

Does that post impact ur dragon sr at all?

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I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful

don't disagree, what are your other reads?

VOTE: skitter

Why?

because of the early stuff still and her ??? townread on dragon, i vaguely recall skitt being okay at reading me (or at least like, always calling out scum me in spec chats) so i'm raising an eyebrow at the vote on me (note that i am aware she may have a tendency to scumread me regardless of alignment, which is why i'm not pushing this harder) and while i was yelling at dragon at eod1 for hammering, her "i'm not sure this makes dragon scum" (presented with no further comment) gave me this distinct FEELING of TL being town and dragon being town and her capitalizing on me going batshit insane over the oopsie hammer so that she can push me once dragon flips town

- i still don't really ger your scumread on me
- i am very markedly against flipping dragon today -> are you saying i'm scum white knighting town-him? If so, why did you start the day voting him?

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No, i'm bad at reading you
I don't know that i'm wrong this time ? I'm not sure what the question is

[skitter30]

god i feel like town-skitt would take this opportunity to actually talk about her read on me and why she's voting me instead of these very bland responses

but fine - why are you voting me?

You feel off and performative and your reads and trajectories don't make sense to me
I don't understand your reasons for scumreading me, and when you explain it i just go ... ok? doesnt feel like a real read you have (or ever had) conviction in, and it was easy to sheep shea on it
Now it's easy to push dragon, and i don't really feel like you're taking into acct how likely it is for scum to behave the way he did around hammer

[skitter30]

Anyway Datisi I kinda understand your reasoning here on Skitter, but is she actually known to plan eliminations 2 days in advance?

Because that's pretty lit if she can do that. I could never do that.

like idk how often this happens and it makes you sound a bit paranoid (which is not scummy btw, it's actually townie when I think about it).
So umm you did say she was a pro scum player, do you think it's within her range?

she is an excellent scum player and this sort of thing is like the most basic elimination planning (aka even i could do it) so yes it is def within her range

it is also within her range to make up a reason why she townread you for it later, @skit i did see the post you quoted but i just don't find it town-indicative for you at all sorry

I'm not saying it's town-indicative for me i'm saying it should be town-indicative for dragon -> your scumread on me is in part predicated on the fact that i'm townreading dragon, and i'm explaining why

Does that post impact ur dragon sr at all?

Like did you respond to this?

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@ausuka I mean yeah if she wasn't upset with skitt it would be even more unbelievable. we still don't really see it

dragon eater has been townier lately so VOTE: temporal is a poe vote we're comfortable with

assuming dragons scum, why would scum kill infinity here?
i dont think dragons is scum >.>

i mean if we're talking people threatened by infinity or whatever i think that's literally like, only atsi? like you want to lim skitter but infinity thought skitter was townier than dragons right? this jsut feels like a null-ish read to me

Also why this kill makes no sense to me
Basically her last scumread is known to be town ...

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tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

like, to me sharing reads then makes most sense if you think you could possibly get nightkilled, which there was a 0 percent chance of happening to dragon eater. for me at least if i don't think i have things i want to share before i (potentially) die i would usually just wait until d2 so i could see an extra flip and read with that context?

the response from dragon eater being to make a reads list just felt like "oh fuck i was careless and accidentally fucked up all my town cred, i feel like i'm letting my partner down! i need to do towny things asap"

I don't really agree with this
(Well i agree that dragon was unlikely to die)

But my instinctive reaction when i see a hammer is to share my final thoughts on the day, regardless how likely i think i am to die

I townread that reaction quite a lot tbh, i have a hard time seeing it from scum

I think scum's reaction is to go quiet, or at the very least if thwy're posting, it isnt to share reads at that point

[skitter30]

I hope ausuka is scum and endgames us

-sonya

if ausuka actually shot infinity over this comment and then went on to win f3 it would be a classic ausuka scum moment though I would so be here for that

Why do u think infinity died?

[skitter30]

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

Uh you realize i hadnf posted/read since ausuka made that post, right?

[skitter30]

Anyway Datisi I kinda understand your reasoning here on Skitter, but is she actually known to plan eliminations 2 days in advance?

Because that's pretty lit if she can do that. I could never do that.

like idk how often this happens and it makes you sound a bit paranoid (which is not scummy btw, it's actually townie when I think about it).
So umm you did say she was a pro scum player, do you think it's within her range?

she is an excellent scum player and this sort of thing is like the most basic elimination planning (aka even i could do it) so yes it is def within her range

it is also within her range to make up a reason why she townread you for it later, @skit i did see the post you quoted but i just don't find it town-indicative for you at all sorry

I'm not saying it's town-indicative for me i'm saying it should be town-indicative for dragon -> your scumread on me is in part predicated on the fact that i'm townreading dragon, and i'm explaining why

Does that post impact ur dragon sr at all?

Like did you respond to this?

did not seem worth responding to at the time, i think the way you framed the first line of the post is like... like it's not my issue the fact that you're townreading dragons, not exactly (well at least not the fact you're townreading him for the lolhammer + reaction), but the way you framed the townread with the "not sure it makes him scum" and then didn't explain it at all during eod1 even though there was time, it felt like you wanted to get in the "look guys i'm townreading dragons even though datisi is pushing him" like, didn't seem like you wanted to actually talk to me about why you thought he was scummy at the time. again the "very weak defense not meant to change anyone's mind"

i don't know what is the "that" post you're referring to, but no i don't really care about the fact he made a readslist post the lolhammer. i think his reactions d2 have been townie

I don't really see what my read on dragon in twilight has to do with you at all, honestly, and it seems like a massive stretch to me that you're trying to make me giving a tr to dragon in twilight a setup for pushing you (especially you in particular)
Especially b/c other people similarly were scumreading dragon after the hammer - atsi voted him, even, and ausuka also indicated she was not townreading him
Like sure i could have elaborated more then
But framing this as - 'i'm townreading dragon and didnt talk to you abt it in order to push you in particular' is on the surface a stretch, and even more of a stretch given that i didn't talk to atsi or ausuka abt it either - i don't know why you're especially drawing a connection between the read and *you*

Also you started the day off voting dragon, idk why you're acting like this isnt relevant
Sure you've since changed your mind but based on eod1 you were scumreading him. I'm saying i don'f think you (or anyone) should have been based on his twilight behavior. I don't really know why you're dismissing his twilight post as irrelevant, i think it's extremely relevant

I don't feel like you're countering my point for why i think it's townie, you're just saying you don't care. And my point is that - dragon is a very, very easy push, and it's very easy to just dismiss the good posts, which is what you were doing at daystart

Like ausuka is also scumreading him, but she is taking relevant pieces of information into acct (i.e. the making reads post). I think her conclusion is wrong but she's obviously at least thinking abt it and trying to use it to draw a conclusion. You're just like - this isnt relevant
When it is

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god i feel like town-skitt would take this opportunity to actually talk about her read on me and why she's voting me instead of these very bland responses

but fine - why are you voting me?

You feel off and performative and your reads and trajectories don't make sense to me
I don't understand your reasons for scumreading me, and when you explain it i just go ... ok? doesnt feel like a real read you have (or ever had) conviction in, and it was easy to sheep shea on it
Now it's easy to push dragon, and i don't really feel like you're taking into acct how likely it is for scum to behave the way he did around hammer

you are like, aware, that i'm not pushing dragon? like, surely? like, your "you're doing what's easy!" narrative here is completely wrong?

also sorry i feel like the "you feel off and performative" is a really easy thing to say that can't be falsified, even when some other people have said you're wrong (ausuka iirc)

my scumread of you makes perfect sense and i'm kinda tired of being told "it doesn't make sense" and i'm feeling like it's a scum tactic

i need to go do an IRL thing but i have more things to say / respond to i think, be back later

You were at daystart? Idk what your point is, you started the day voting him, you clearly were intending to push there
Sure you've since changed but i don't think that changes my point

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I liked that it felt kind of original and went back to dragoneater after the initial rush on him had died down and everyone had kind of expressed a view not to lim him

like marci said no
i said no
skitter said no
you switched too

atsi is the only one still trying to vote DE off
dragon eater isnt going to vote himself

so like is it really going to be convincing any1 to lim DE?

I think one thing scum like to do is move with thread flow and it feels really counter intuitive to maintain course here if she's mafia when she could probably do better supporting skitter against you or just bus skitter if she's partnered with skitter?

I guess you could say like she's trying to pull skitter out of 1v1ing you to reroute back to dragon but like i feel its not the first thing that comes to my mind for how she approaches this situation as scum

i switched but i don't think i'd really said i townread him? like i reskimmed my post i don't think i gave a vibe of "i'm townreading / not-scumreading dragons now"

assuming atsi isn't scum with ausuka, and assuming scum-ausuka can sway me to vote dragon again (espeically if she can sway me to start scumreading him again) then her partner can bullshit a scumread on dragon and there you go -> i'm

not

saying this is definitely what is happening but i don't think it's super implausible as a scum plan from scumsuka POV

i'm not great at having good reads as town and i think ausuka is well enough aware of that to be trying to have me on the wrong yeet of dragons

ari, who is scum?

This first paragraph is abt dragon, right?
You're literally hedging on the read ... i'm supposed to think you arent thinking abr pushing dragon?

[skitter30]

Like
You can't at the same time be like

'Skitter why on earth are you possibly thinking i'm pushing dragon'
And
'I reread my post and i'm super confident the vibe on it was not that i'm not-scumreading him'

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I don't get how this is bad faith
You started the day pushing him and you made a point of saying to someone else that when you switched it off it wasnf to give the impression that you were *not* not-scumreading him

How am i supposed to interpret that comment to ari? What did you mean there?
Like what exactly is your stance on dragon and how do you square it with ehat you said to ari?

You also arent addressing the meat of my scumread either

Pedit i see the latter two posts but i have a meeting at 10 so later

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I don't really see what my read on dragon in twilight has to do with you at all, honestly, and it seems like a massive stretch to me that you're trying to make me giving a tr to dragon in twilight a setup for pushing you (especially you in particular)
Especially b/c other people similarly were scumreading dragon after the hammer - atsi voted him, even, and ausuka also indicated she was not townreading him

sure let me be more elaborate about it i guess. you guessed that there will be people wanting dragon blood after he hammered TL and after TL flips green - confirmed me because i was already seeing red, but also maybe someone else jumps on it as well - and you know that IF, townies push dragon through on d2, and IF you appear as the white knight who tried to stop it but failed, you will be in an EXCELLENT position going into f5

like this is not a stretch. this is some basic scumplay planning for f5.

Ok sure, i get how scum-me is set up perfectlu for f5 (if dragon indeed flips, and if dragon is town)
My issue is that you're framing my townread on dragon as a push on you in particular, when i don't think the two are inherently related at all

Also i already addressed why i'm treating ausuka differently

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Dats
One of of my present issues is

How ur trying to say you're not pushing dragon
While also deliberately positioning yourself as not having a read on him (i.e. in the context of whether or not ur open to voting him)

I don't understand this mindset
It looks to me like you're trying to get points for not pushing him
While leaving yourself open to pushing him

[skitter30]

Ok that is def the impression i got from that
But maybe i'm wrong

[skitter30]

I think my reads are hot garbage this game
I don't even have a read on like half of the pl
And my confidence on any of the reads i do have is super low

[skitter30]

VOTE: marci

[skitter30]

if you put a gun to my head and told me to find one (1) townie thing that atsi has done this game, my response would be "idk man just fucking shoot me"

but there is something... off about it. like if we flip them and they're red, okay cool. but if we flip them and they're green, we're fucked. like completely fucked

like idk maybe atsi really is just a newbscum that doesn't know how to advance their reads further than reading a one singular thing a person has done as scum and locking it in

but my gut is screaming at me that yeeting atsi today spells disaster. (i mean it's probably because i think skitter's scum and i don't get any partnery vibes between the two of them but idk shit difficult)

I feel this abt atsi but basically abt marci as well, i don't think she's done anythibg townie this game

For atsi at least i can see the - well he might be new argument
I don't really see anything dor marci town

[skitter30]

My issue is that you're framing my townread on dragon as a push on you in particular

can you please show where i am doing this, because i don't think these two are related (other than the fact that i was present at eod1 screaming at dragons, but that's not about me it's about the fact i was present)

I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful

don't disagree, what are your other reads?

VOTE: skitter

Why?

because of the early stuff still and her ??? townread on dragon, i vaguely recall skitt being okay at reading me (or at least like, always calling out scum me in spec chats) so i'm raising an eyebrow at the vote on me (note that i am aware she may have a tendency to scumread me regardless of alignment, which is why i'm not pushing this harder) and while i was yelling at dragon at eod1 for hammering, her "i'm not sure this makes dragon scum" (presented with no further comment) gave me this distinct FEELING of TL being town and dragon being town and her capitalizing on me going batshit insane over the oopsie hammer so that she can push me once dragon flips town

I don't know how else to intepret this post?

[skitter30]

I want a vc but probably fine voting atsi tbh

[skitter30]

I do think there's a p good chance marci is scum here

[skitter30]

i am the most obvious candidate to push if i end up keeping up with my "holy shit guys dragons is so fucking scum" into day 2 and onto his yeet, and yes that is the vibe i got when you posted at eod1

but that's not applicable *solely* to me, like i cannot achieve the yeet by myself without 3 other people voting so i wouldn't be the sole target there

Ok fair enuf
I think i need to reset my reads and i'm less convinced of this now

[skitter30]

I want a vc but probably fine voting atsi tbh

I do think there's a p good chance marci is scum here

what is like, your thought on how this ends up going

Wdym

[skitter30]

This is true abt like most of the pl honestly
Like there's a lot of people i don't really have reads on

[skitter30]

I think i am
Why puzzling

[skitter30]

I'm not 'resigned to voting out atsi'?

I think my reads are p bad rn
(The only ones i feel good abt are town-ausuka and town-dragon)
So i'm good with exploring other things ans trying to get reads on the other 3 players that i don't have reads on rn (marci, atsi, ari)
I feel like this thing with you is kinda going around in circles so i want to tey to get reads elsewhere

If i don't today f5, as everyone is pointing out, is going to be quite difficult
So i want to try to sort those three

And like if i can't get good reads on them after trying
I don't think it's going to happen to later in the game
So might as well start thinking abt the best way to resolve that
(When i said i was fine killing them i meant - rn based on the lack of read i probably can, i want to see if i can actually get a read by pressure but failing that then i'm ok flipping them. Should have elaborated a bit more)

But i def want to pressure marci/atsi b/c if either are scum they've kinda been able to coast on me getting (loudly) distracted elsewhwre

So that's where i'm resetting to

[skitter30]

Hope that explains it more ^

[skitter30]

Like i'm putting marci/atsi in the same: literally no read and i need to do something to try to change that so maybe i should pressure them
Bucket

Which of the two to start with i'm basically ambivalent (with slight preference for marci but if there's more appetite for atsi and that will help me get a read i'll take it)

[skitter30]

Unfortunately it's v tied to the miller thing
But the read is slipping but not enuf that i'd vote her before nearly anyone else given my reads elsewhere

[skitter30]

@Datisi
Can you tell me who you think is Skitter's partner if you think she's actually scum? Or at least who might have "partner vibes" with her? Personally I can't think of anyone except maaaaybe Ausuka but I'm not sold on that yet.

I kinda

I think it's just better to try go find a scum and worry abt who the partner is post-flip
Than trying to find the whole team rn

[skitter30]

I think marci is scummy

[skitter30]

I think marci is scummy

why is marci scummy

bonus points for not including the phrase "she's not playing"

'She's not playing'
It's less abt her being actively scummy than the fact that i literally have no read on her and she doesnt seem to care to change that, so i think we need to pressure her

Also she literally can't articulate the reason for her one scumread when asked

[skitter30]

I'd be willing to vote skitter but I'm kind of terrified that if she flips town it's going to be awful and I'd really just like to get it right today

I'm going to flip town and it's going to be awful

[skitter30]

I still think ausuka is town

[skitter30]

Yeah i also side-eyed that, isnt it infinitely better for scum-dats to vote town-me today?

[skitter30]

I find it a lot easier to powerwolf when half the game isnt playing?

@atsi my feelings towards my reads have since changed

[skitter30]

i personally find it very hard to powerwolf when there are players that are barely reading

like i write out 2k words on why random ass townie is scum and they go "tldr?" like bruh

Yeah but then u have more thread influence and it's easier to just be like: 'we're flipping x today'

[skitter30]

@atsi my feelings towards my reads have since changed

Which reads and how?

I was v convinced dats was scum at daystart
I have since realized there's a decent chance that i al tunneled and am taking a step back towards reaasessing the pl as a whole, concentrating on you and marci who i don't have reads on
So saying i'm v confident in my reads when basically all if my posting in rhe last like three irl days is abt the exact opposite is not true in the present gamestate

(Similarly to what dats is complaining abt i've written a lot abt how i'm *not* confident in my reads rn so if you think i am you're either not reading, which is v possible, or you're asking this in bad faith)

[skitter30]

Like i'm not even pushing dats anymore ...
@atsi
I'm voting you

[skitter30]

things you are saying are logical but unfortunately that's not how my brain works

are you getting anything AI out of this conversation? if not, i'd like to cut it because i feel like we're just gonna kill the game even more with it

No i'm fine dropping it

[skitter30]

Oh i'm still on mari
I thought i switched

[skitter30]

It's more a nullread that's defaulting to a sr

[skitter30]

imagine thinking i would be doing anything as scum here that's not braindead voting dragon/atsi/marci

what are your best reasons for thinking atsi/marci are mafia (not necessarily together)? sell me on it

also sell me on ausuka being town pls i am having mega paranoia there

It's basically a guess based on the game state.

like when you and skitter were having your 1v1 in the thread, they kind of felt like they were not invested and kind of just off to the side staring?

like marci said at one point she wanted to do skitter then now claims her scumreads are me/dragons
atsi wants dragons dead

and like neither of them are trying to really get you/skitter on the same page? like if marci really believes me/dragons is mafia wouldnt she be trying to get you and skitter to stop fighting ?

and yea i know the easy counter argument is just "they dont care about the game"

but like its really easy for scum to fall into a rut not caring about the game if its full of townie on townie violence.

I can't sell you on Ausuka town. I know I've misread Ausuka like many times and I don't think I'd be able to catch her if she's mafia. If you think you have good reasons for thinking she's mafia I'll put aside the miller thing and hear you out.

Marci isnt even voting

[skitter30]

What do u think town-me does in the world where we have two potato town slots

[skitter30]

(Or if either is scum)

[skitter30]

So what should i be doing?
Like based on my current reads what do u think i should be doing instead

Also i'm voting there now to try to prevent pain day3 ....

Pedit i literally don't know how to sort marci
If she doesnt respond to a vote and cannot / will not articulate reasons for stated reads, i don't know how to get anything out of her

I think more people should be voting her and i think it's likely she responds to that

Are u willing to vote her?

Pedit2 yeah this game is like molasses and it's hard to care based on who/what is being posted
I'm having just as hard as you are here

[skitter30]

I keep talking to u and going in cirlces with u b/c ur one of thr only people talking

[skitter30]

This feels like a game where it's just the easy answer
So i want to pressure there

[skitter30]

I don't have a case
It's literally
I need to sort her and this is the best idea i have right now

I don'r actively scumread her
I also don't townread her

I need to get to one or the other on her (and atsi) at some point and i don't know how to

I thought voting would prompt some sort of response, but as it didnt yes i'll ask for votes now
Or i can do atsi

[skitter30]

I think its more likely tyat i start responding now that survivors over but tbh it isnt unlikely that i just dont respond anyways LMAO

Uh .... why not?

[skitter30]

Im going over to a guys house today LOL

Ok so like ... tomorrow? The day after?
Last week?

Like you have no reads and don't care to articilate the ones you do have

[skitter30]

I'm defaulting to scum honestly

[skitter30]

And i'd rather do this today than tomorrow
B/c if she is town
We have one less unreadable slot in elo

[skitter30]

I didnt think it was townie tbh

[skitter30]

Ari/dragon/ausuka/dats
Any of you potentially interested in voting marci?

[skitter30]

>.>

[skitter30]

Any and all reads that u currently have
Also why you think ari is scum

[skitter30]

as an aside does anyone other than marci have a read on ari?

[skitter30]

Why be dead >.>

[skitter30]

Ok we have <3 days what are we doing

[skitter30]

so exciting

[skitter30]

I have like No Thoughts on marci's post tbh
I'm still good with either marci or atsi, i do find it somewhat curious that all the momentum has moves to atsi

Either way given the time left, i'm good with
Intent

@atsi claim please

[skitter30]

@dragon r.e. your note on 845
I basically said several times this is why i'm pushing those two, yeah

[skitter30]

Why on earth did they kill her
Ahhhhhh >.>

[skitter30]

Massclaim day i suppose

[skitter30]

I'm like ... ridiculously annoyed rn

[skitter30]

Whatever i don't mind going first ig

[skitter30]

I am, and i quote, a 'pear-lty cop'

Infinity n1
And unfortunately marci n2
She's town, yay

[skitter30]

Nope
Probably just the two of u honestly

[skitter30]

I am, and i quote, a 'pear-lty cop'

Infinity n1
And unfortunately marci n2
She's town, yay

This is why i just wanted to flip in marci/atsi yestersay, figured i could just check the other last night

Also why i'm quite sure ausuka is town

[skitter30]

Ari can u claim too plz?
I think we all know the rest but would like to get thru it officially

[skitter30]

Ty, dragon plz also

[skitter30]

does your cop action include a gun by any chance >_>

What did you mean by this

[skitter30]

I am, and i quote, a 'pear-lty cop'

Infinity n1
And unfortunately marci n2
She's town, yay

What's pearlty?

Anyway I knew ittt

The reason I hard TR'd Skitter Day 1 was I thought she was a cop and that's why she believed Ausuka's claim

Then I stopped TR'ing her Day 2 because she didn't behave like a cop

Parity

[skitter30]

i went to bed yesterday thinking how skitter + infinity roles are enough for a micro, and how just infinity's role isn't, and praying to all gods out there that someone else also claims something

anyway uh.

hi skitter. sorry for tunnelling you. (even though your play around marci/atsi really was scummy af from an objective pov.) can i make you not vote me? pls?

I have no idea who i'm gonna vote rn tbh
Atm i'm leaning towards you/ari
But like open to hearing what u think the solve is too

(Also again the point of atsi/marci was flip one check the other and have to deal with neither unsolved in elo)

[skitter30]

Ok let's move on from the looking scummy as shit bit and try to figure out given recent revelations who you want to vote today

[skitter30]

I think ausuka only lolclaims miller if scum were informed of the parity cop
Which is like possible

But idk i'm not sure i see it
(Also i tr her very fast and firmly off of it - wouldnt scum be looking for such a reaction and wouldnt i be dead in that case)?

And also not really - i'm leaning towards ausuka/dragon town so poe is just you and ari
I'm kinda not actively scumreading anyone rn

I'm like 52% confident on this solve tho
Which means i'm not really confident at all
And idk how this is gonna end

[skitter30]

If ausuka is scum informed abt a parity cop
And lolclaimed miller

She would be looking for someone who's reaction belied being a pr, no? This is talking abt like n1, not last night

[skitter30]

like. if we assume that scum knew skitter is a power role. the only reason to leave her alive is because you think i will keep being a dumbass and vote her

BUT at least someone on the scumteam will know that i won't do that if skitt's the only PR claim

so that removes the only reason scum had to leave skitt alive. THEREFORE they mustve not known she was cop

am i taking crazy pills or is this something that makes sense

Isnt this my point?

[skitter30]

i'm not convinced honestly

[skitter30]

like there's two worlds

you're town - i vote you, we lose

you're mafia, I vote you, skitter sides with you over me, we lose

there's basically no point to me voting for you.

I can be convinced fwiw

[skitter30]

i have a hard time convincing myself datisi is mafia sorry its probably just me

Ok so like who's the team

[skitter30]

i think i just overthought the dragoneater read in the first place

the thing he did with skitter can probably just be excessive self awareness in hindsight?

I do not really feel like it is datisi/aristeia

I would consider voting here but if skitter like Really Thinks it's dats/ari it is probably best not to I guess but i'm just not sure i see it

I don't Really Think it honestly

I'm leaning towards ari scum rn, that's all i got
Idk who kills marci, these nk's are bizarre

[skitter30]

I don't know why anyone kills infinity or marci here

[skitter30]

ok but you're hedging on both ausuka and dats

[skitter30]

>.>
ok so you're saying that you think it's dragon?

[skitter30]

I'm not sure what I can do to show you that I'm town here but if you have any ideas I'm all ears.

Anything in ur iso you can't fake as scum?

[skitter30]

like skitter is conftown

then there's 2 mafia and 2 town between the four of us.

so there's no way any group of us can eliminate without skitter's help unless scum bus or w/e.

and if one of us who is town votes another of us who is town, we automatically lose.

so here's what can happen:

(1) town votes town, skitter doesn't get to make a vote, we lose.
(2) town votes scum, deadlock, skitter makes a decision.
(3) scum votes town, deadlock, skitter makes a decision.
(4) scum busses, scum gets yeeted, skitter doesn't need to make a decision.

I don't think world (4) is going to happen because skitter wants to vote me, which removes any incentive for the scum team to bus, they can simply wait for her to vote me.

thus it's like better for skitter to just make the decision, which she ends up doing in world 2/3 anyway and if she's right we have tommorrow and if she's wrong we won't.

and it all together avoids world 1, which is that a townie other than skitter makes the wrong decision.

Yes I am aware this might be dumb since she wants to yeet me but it is what it is.

I hate being the decider >.>
I'm not sure i'm voting u here actually i'm still in a bit of a tossup and havent done my homework yet

But i agree with ur logic

[skitter30]

I don't think there's anything that I'm incapable of faking and I think it'd be violating the trust tell rule if I said I only do something as town and I can't fake it as scum.

Sorry i phrased poorly and should have said something like: anything in your iso that you feel points to town-you?

But fair enuf

I need to do my homework unfortunately i havent really ruled out any pairs

If i had to commit rn it would be like dats/dragon idk

[skitter30]

Sorry busy week
I'll be here tom night/sunday

Atm i think it's dats/dragon, will do my homework over the weekend to:
* see if i still feel good abt ausuka
* see if i can eliminate any pairs

Can each of you say who you would vote here if you had to today?

[skitter30]

Uh wondering if i should feel alarmed that everyone wants dragon

[skitter30]

VOTE: Datisi
E-1

ok elements feel kinda townie and probably unaligned with dats honestly
the fact that everyone wants to kill dragon means that's probably not who we should kill