Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[RH9]

sup rh9

Hi, Pooky!

[RH9]

Preliminary reads based off what I've read so far:
Meuh — Probably town for claim; I don't think she would fakeclaim something like that
Pooky — Probably also town for claim
Dunn — I like their analysis, so maybe town
Luke — Null; I thought his predecessor was nullish and I haven't really caught up to when he starts posting
Bell — Null; Seems pretty chill, not sure what to make of it as I tend to associate town!Bell with being somewhat aggressive
GL — I've liked his early posts, so maybe nulltown?
Ydra — I feel like from her interactions with Cakez, they feel unaligned
Cakez — I tend to SR him because he usually feels scummy to me; I'm going to try to avoid confbiasing myself this time

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Also, UNVOTE: for now.
P-edit: Their argument didn't feel manufactured to me, which I feel like would be true if they were scum together.

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Reading Luke's posts, I feel like his argument with catboi over the Dunn vote actually feel kinda towny. In that, it feels like he has genuine concern over catboi's motivations. And his 651 and 652 feel like he's trying to be nuanced, which doesn't really seem like something scum would do? Especially, since he could've take advantage of the increasing pressure.
But I'm leaning towards moving Luke up to my TRs.

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Does GL/Ydra make sense?? Is that a thing?

Well, I guess

if

Bell is town, that could be possible. And unless I've just been bamboozled and you/Ydra actually is a possible team, then it's likely either you/GL or Ydra/GL.
However, I had liked GL's early game, so I'm still uncertain rn between him and Bell. (I've felt that Bell has been appearing progressively towny in their ISO.)

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Unhelpfully, I think I just tend to lean into TRing GL's posting style, so I probably won't vote for him today.
I'll reaccess Cakez/Ydra, just in case.

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Unhelpfully, I think I just tend to lean into TRing GL's posting style, so I probably won't vote for him today.
I'll reaccess Cakez/Ydra, just in case.

As in Cakez/Ydra as a team, in case my preliminary read on them being unaligned was wrong.

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TBH, what Luke said about Cakez being opportunistic was similar to something I had contemplated last night.
I'm just unsure if it's because he was trying to look out for an easy mislim or he genuinely SRed catboi and was willing to compromise on a non-GL wagon.

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The thing is though, Cakez didn't really seem to express an SR on catboi until a wagon was becoming viable.

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Maybe, I'm overthinking this but I would probably go for Cakez over Ydra rn.

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You know what, maybe I should put my vote where my mouth is.
VOTE: Cakez

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actually no Bell is on me ofc lol so E-1

I thought you were on E-2?
Bell's voting Ydra, I'm pretty sure.

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Though, Ydra was interested in voting you.

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yeah this is the dilemma catboi ended up in where he only had two votes I think but enough people were like "i'd vote him" that he felt a lot more pressure than that. or so he claimed at least.

I guess this is true.

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I'll probably be busier tomorrow so don't expect that much from me.

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more importantly is what would town ydra do because im about to BLOW EVERYONES MINDS
(sorry for not like. playing. i maybe shouldnt have joined because im burned out on this game buuuuut... it is what it is. also ive been playing wow. hi.)

(i will claim if i have to.)

I don't you think you have to claim, if the current situation continues.
Cakez feels way more likely to end up on E-1 than you IMO.
(GL seems to be leaning towards Cakez over you, and I'm assuming you're not going to self-vote.)

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i wasnt claiming venge and i think all of this like. stuff about it feels like wolves trying to react to something that literally isn't there
i'm vt
my flavor's catboi. this is why it was funnier before. i also did not want to claim because it's pretty easy now to narrow down what's left

I think this makes sense.

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sircakez and i being the two main wagons both on gl is very funny

That's the thing that's making me question if scum!you would rather choose to go for GL, who's unlikely to get limmed over putting Cakez on E-1 to save yourself.

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i wasnt claiming venge and i think all of this like. stuff about it feels like wolves trying to react to something that literally isn't there
i'm vt
my flavor's catboi. this is why it was funnier before. i also did not want to claim because it's pretty easy now to narrow down what's left

I think this makes sense.

I don't think it makes them any more likely to be town though

True.
It's just that I thought Ydra's earlier statements made sense with the flavour claim.

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Her claim makes some sense.
it just doesn’t mean she’s town.

True.
I'm not saying it does. It's probably NAI.

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VOTE: Cakez
I don't like how he immediately went for Meuh.

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Why do people object to my Meuh vote

Basically what Meuh has said.
Especially when you seemed perfectly fine with Meuh until today.
Like what happened to your read on GL?

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Has anyone mentioned the mysterious disappearance of Cakez' GL scumread?

I've brought it up.

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I'm alright with mass claiming. Luke should probably claim what they saw first to verify their role.

This is a good idea.

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I'm ok with this claim order - any objections

4. Dunnstral
5. RH9 catboi
9. GuiltyLion

catboi already claimed vt d1.

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I'm alright with mass claiming. Luke should probably claim what they saw first to verify their role.

i think luke should claim last in case he catches someone in a lie

Oh, maybe I should have fully read before I responded lol

At least, Dunn is confirmed to be a PR now.

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BTW, what do you make of Cakez's claim that he's a PR?

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@Luke

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TBH after Dunn claims, we should get Cakez to claim what PR he exactly is.

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if scum have a tracker they want to know what luke saw

They could be a Beholder too.
In that they want to learn what Luke learnt.

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P-edit: TBH Beholder is a rare enough role that if Dunn actually is it, I'm going to question if it's a trueclaim.

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Because I'm seriously doubting Prism puts a Town Beholder in a micro with only two VTs.

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Because I'm seriously doubting Prism puts a Town Beholder in a micro with only two VTs.

r u telling on yourself homie

Of course not.
I was just checking if you remembered my VT claim.

[RH9]

I'm a 1-shot doctor

Flavor is Student Life's Mental Wellness Dogs

I targeted Lukewarm last night

That checks out, I guess?

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Cakez, do you still think Meuh is scum?

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I'm in co-op Baldur's gate, hence my terseness

I thought it strange that RH9 went straight to Beholder before I could claim my role

Cakez (I think?) was asking for plausible scum roles that would target Doc.
Beholder was one of them.

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I do think 1073 is a weird perspective to have if you are a VT. I get that you will say that it slipped your mind but how?

I said 2 VTs as a reaction test to see if scum would take the bait and treat it as a slip, which seemed to have happened.
I feel like it might've gotten a bit out of hand, though.

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Hey RH, if you are scum here, the believable answer would have been "oh, I forgot about Bell"

just like, for future reference or what ever

But I didn't forget Bell.

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The more truthful answer would've been it was a slip of the tongue that I lied was a reaction test to save face.

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Because I couldn't explain it.

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The more truthful answer would've been it was a slip of the tongue that I lied was a reaction test to save face.

yeah.

It was very clear that you were lying about it being a reaction test.

And if you are town, that puts us into a bad position, because the simple answer to seeing someone very obviously lying about something is that they are scum.

Sorry.

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RH9 who do you think is scum?

At the beginning of this day, I thought it was Cakez but with his claim, I'm starting to get why he went after Meuh.
Because, honestly now it does feel a bit weird that there's no Cop but two Miller claims.
Feels like something doesn't add up. As it means assuming all claims are truthful, there's 4 VTs, 2 Named Townies (in that the Millers effectively serve as this without a Cop), a 2-shot Tracker, a 1-shot Doc and a 1-shot Roleblocker.
I'm thinking I need to re-evaluate the Miller claims rn.
Because those no longer feel as towny as they did before Cakez claimed. (Assuming Cakez is telling the truth.)
That said, I should probably UNVOTE: Cakez while I think about things.

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So really, I think scum are in Pooky/Meuh/Cakez.

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Though, Pooky/Meuh would be just hilarious.

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BTW, my flavour is Prism's classmate Tom.

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Though, would Prism actually use Millers as Named Townies?

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The thing being if yes, then the PR claims are suspect.

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One of my initial thoughts was that scum could have neapolitan, and that a miller would mess with their results rather than cop results, but that seems kinda silly? With no cop claim, I'm inclined to think they're just named townies at this point? No clue if this lines up with what Prism would do as a mod though

So, it'd figure one of Dunn/Cakez/GL isn't telling the truth, then?
Because Luke had no way of faking a result on Dunn, given he claimed first.

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I mean at least one of them isn't if you/Pooky are actual Millers.

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So, you're saying scum is in VTs/Millers?
P-Edit: So you're saying Town is exactly 3 VTs and 3 PRs?

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And a Miller

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also his approach is not as townie as the other two

As in after the massclaim?
Because, you could be right on this.
The way Cakez has interacted with claims does feel townier than Dunn's.
(Though, I could biased in that I feel like if all PR claims are town, that means Mafia's basically hoping Luke wastes his last track on the PR claims. And that'd have to mean scum are doing pretty well at not getting any attention.)

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Or they're actually hoping Luke is going for the PR claims.

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I agree Luke's claim has to be town at this point because there's not enough town power otherwise

I'm thinking either

1) Cakez just trueclaimed his role as a scum RB
or
2) Dunn is some kind of scum investigative that targeted Luke

what's extra wonk is that neither Cakez nor Dunn see any issue with eachother's claims

I think at least to Dunn's credit he is just coming off kind of obtuse whereas Cakez pivoted from "scum in the PRs" to just immediately accepting Dunn's claim - feels like he may be strategically positioning and not wanting to make an enemy out of Dunn

This is a good point.
Dunn has been consistently been saying 'PRs are Town' (for reasons which I still don't agree with) but Cakez has only really been 'scum in RH9/GL' but he went from 'scum in Meuh/Dunn/Luke' to 'scum prob just Meuh' (given he seems to be TRing Pooky).
Eh. Maybe this really is a scum!Cakez world, after all.
Though, if Cakez is scum, then I'm stuck on who's his partner other than maybe the Miller claims.

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And it's probably not Meuh.

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I don't think I am being obtuse. I don't think you have a good argument for why SirCakez is the mafia over one of the millers, or why SirCakez would true claim their role as mafia instead of claiming VT.

This is towards GL, right?

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I think rn I'm at one of Cakez/GL is scum along with one of the Millers.
P-edit: Maybe it could be GL/Dunn.

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Eh.
Now I think about it, Cakez only makes sense as scum with Pooky.

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And I don't think Pooky is scum.

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At least, Pooky has came across as genuinely concerned town quite a bit.

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I think the only way I live to tomorrow (to bring my second result) is if dunn is town, and 2-shot, and lied about being 1 shot in order to bait the kill into me.

Which is honestly the smart way for him to play being 2 shot.

And kind of smarter then a 1-shot dunn true claiming being 1-shot. (Actually 1-shot dunn should have claimed x-shot).

And dunn should probably not react to this post either.

I don't think Dunn is a gambity sort of player?
I might be wrong but the way Dunn's been playing makes me think it's unlikely he's 2-shot.
At best, we can hope Cakez is town and has not yet used his rb.

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If you think that then it's weird that you are suspecting me after I got tracked to Lukewarm

I think you trueclaimed.
Your play makes only real sense if you really were 1-shot.

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I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

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I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

what do you mean you guess? the alternative is you lol

Because there's still wagons on you/Dunn?
And chances are it's going to be between me/you/GL.

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Dunn, don't you see?

He thinks you could be a true claiming, scum-aligned, 1-shot doctor (in a game with no Vigilante) who used their 1 shot to protect the town tracker.

That is not what I've been saying.
I'm saying that Dunn is probably trueclaiming the 1-shot aspect if he is really a town doc.

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If you think that then it's weird that you are suspecting me after I got tracked to Lukewarm

I think you trueclaimed.
Your play makes only real sense if you really were 1-shot.

I can't tell if you are calling me town here, but if you are I feel like you were speculating that I may have been mafia earlier

Well. I felt like you could be scum, due to the fact that Cakez barely makes sense as scum with half of everybody but like you and Pooky.
And Pooky hasn't felt like scum to me, so reasonably this limits scum to you/GL/Cakez/Meuh.
However, I have been thinking that Cakez can actually be Town and I've been mindmelding with Meuh, leaving the scumpool to you/GL.
On the other hand, your play if town, makes more sense coming from a world where you trueclaimed than one where you're playing elaborate mindgames like Luke has been suggesting.

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I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

what do you mean you guess? the alternative is you lol

Because there's still wagons on you/Dunn?
And chances are it's going to be between me/you/GL.

OK.
Maybe this is going to end up with what you've been saying.

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RH9 buddy can you let me know how you got from

So really, I think scum are in Pooky/Meuh/Cakez.

to

I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs

I guess this is OK with me.

My read on Cakez changed.
And GL moved back into my PoE, as I realised I had no reason to leave him out of it.

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To expand on my point in 1266, it is weird to me that RH9 has an impression of me that I don't gambit, but does not seem to be considering that when thinking I could be mafia. I think that if RH9 is being truthful, they should look at Luke's track result on me and conclude that I am more likely town than not, because to them I would have to be gambitting to be mafia.

Now that I am thinking about this, they also very quickly jumped to saying I might fake claim beholder at the start of the day. Doesn't this also contradict their thinking here, since that would be a gambit?

I

did not

suggest you fakeclaim Beholder.
Stop reframing the narrative.
I suggested Beholder is a

plausible scum role

you could have and

target Luke with

.
And anyways scum claiming doctor when tracked to the tracker is not gambity at all.
It's just what scum would do, since it's the most believable claim.

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Umm.
Cakez, we're in the swing phase.

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Hopefully, Jingle doesn't count that as a proposal.

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Oops.
Wrong thread.

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First, scum asked me for a Beholder fakeclaim overnight. This made me absolutely lose my mind because I explicitly said this game was mechanically Normal in 4 different places. Part of me wanted them to claim it and get wrecked, but the idea of it succeeding was horrifying. I'm still mad about Dunnstral believing Luke's gambit in Mafia Invictus Redux, and it's been over a year, so if people had gotten away with this again I would have lost my mind.

And then RH9 randomly speculated there was a Beholder?

It was just that Beholder felt like the one-size-fits-all type of role that people claim and is still believable.

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Anyways, congrats GL and Dunn!
(And I'm going back on hiatus.)

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BTW, you can probably release my Notes PT.
It was mostly ended up with me feeling bad for myself.

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BTW, you can probably release my Notes PT.
It mostly ended up with me feeling bad for myself.

EBWOP

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no one is thanking ffery

please thank ffery she was a godsend

I forgot.
Thanks, ffery and Isis!

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TBH, in hindsight, I should've gone for GL/Dunn harder.