Micro 5: The Cult (Game Over)

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/confirm

Modninjas, ha!

Thoughts on quicklynching D1 so the cult leader can't create an apostle?

We'd have to quicklynch every day for that to be possible and the Cult Leader will wise up to it after the first day. Although I am in favor of it.. perhaps forcing each player to confirm + vote the same person?

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VOTE: Kondi

Zor, can the Cult Leader choose another person to recruit if they make another "start initiation process" message?

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Quicklynching might be really beneficial then.

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Quicklynching until a PR claim seems like a good idea.

By Quicklynching with the Cult leader rushing to toget a recruitment in, you confirm that person as not apostle.

Shotgun will flake as scum. Almost guaranteed with that tell be tee dubs.

Still testing something with Kondi vote so ya.

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If I have to lose a tell to make someone play the game, I am happy.

The fact that you agree with that tell is disconcerting though. ;(

(yes that was a winky sad face)

VOTE: Shotgun

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Awfully afraid of being voted.

For the record you are L-2.

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Almost want to kill

But the claim is legit

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It's my meta for claiming early.

Don't know about this

I saw like 3 of his games and he replaced out and eventually flipped scum, but I was waiting to see if there were any real life reasons for those as red herrings but he hasn't said anything so... ya.

Regardless, already a conf town I guess

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Someone explain why the CL shouldn't create an apostle immediately, I don't get it.

This is a dumb question

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klazam

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He almost has as many posts as I do.

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I was hesitant of letting any PR except vig alive since they can't confirm themselves without other PR interaction.

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Overtoast, what do you mean when you say shotty's claim is legit?

Shotty trying to breadcrumb watcher and then flipping out looks legit in my opinion. I don't know. Just can't really explain it. Although, I don't really like the fact that he acknowledged my super secret scumtell on him.

Like I said though, he claimed watcher which is a pretty specific claim and I don't think he would claim something like that unless he wasn't lying.

I am said that Kondi isn't going to be playing in this game... I had a super secret scum tell for him as well...

Zor, did Kondi ever pick up his Role PM?

Does the Cult Leader have a fakeclaim?

I am waiting for things to happen before I place my vote down, although I have a good idea of where it will go.

What is with all of these not CL lists?

Tim, don't go bombustic with Mist.

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Oh. I thought those were some of the possible roles and not all of them.

My bad.

I realize that Trevor, but what are you basing those reads off? They are coming rather quickly it seems.

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So, I think that PRs should only claim PR when run up to lynch that way we can hopefully catch CL/Apostle/whatever in a claim

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If they get recruited they have to make shit up, but once we ask them in like MyLo or LyLo what their power/actions were there is a potential for counterclaiming.

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I mean watcher is a pretty OP role and kinda not sure why Zor would add it in, but in this iteration it doesn't look *too* powerful

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Oversoul, the rules say that the Apostle retains his CAA power even when recruited.

Therefore, the only person we could potentially catch in a fakeclaim is the CL, and we do have VTs in this game.

So basically I'm not really getting what you're saying.

Also, I think shotty's town.

Well, what I meant was today PRs should only claim PRs then Day 2 if we feel that someone is scummy enough to kill them they claim their PR and we go from there. I thought the PRs would turn to vanilla so I guess the plan isn't good afterall. :\

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More activity I want to see how the pieces fall >_<

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VOTE: Klazam

Holy shit this can't wait any longer

crumbed I was going to vote him when I said "bombustic" which is the species/genus of bumble bee according to Wikipedia

Klazam's posts have been annoying me since his original "no mass claim" post. Other posts of his have been keeping backdoors open and now slightly undermining trevor who I consider to be town. I think Shotgun is town as well.

Klazam, no fault of yours, you're just out of practice.

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UNVOTE:

Explain Klazam.

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Klazam confirmed not Apostle. Cultist wouldn't waste his shot on a person about to be lynched.

I was almost going to advocate that Lalzam daykill me because I thought I would be targeted as well.

Let's go with Mister X. Although I am still curious as to how Klazam can confirm himself not cl, we can save that for tomorrow.

VOTE: Mister X

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Hold on Klazam looking at the apostle. If we mass claim that mother may still get a PR of sorts

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Ok so basically if we didn't prevent the recruitment and we don't hit the CL, the apostle can create a conger after killing his leader. Convert won't actually have any power but that doesn't matter since he can still scare us with his cult account.

Kinda want the cult accounts to post what they have/just have them post rather than the actual account. I am trying to see if it is worth it to mass claim.

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That's what I was asking about fakeclaims... The CL being given anOther cult account. I almost advocate lynching me unless we mass claim. >_> *sigh*

I detest being lynched

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Looking at TE Shotgun Xalxe Klazam town right now

Also leaning Trevor town

Order of preference is Mister X Kcd and Mist

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Oh shit. This is a reunion

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I thought he was trying to soft claim the doctor ability or not make it obvious but I could very well see it being forced due to the timing of everything

I am gonna be mad if I am the Apostle when I wake up tomorrow :IGMEOU: like I'll probably claim if that's true.

>>Enact Tarhalindir anti cult meta
>>troll CL succesful

Seriously though if that doctor is fake, and just a hoax to try and draw suspicion away from me I am going to out myself

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Timeater, yeah, I recall. And I call bullshit on oversoul outing himself. He's just trying to make sure he wins if he wakes up an apostle, but thats a problem for another day.


I'm still undecided where I want my vote to go.

Oversoul, could you tell me what makes Trevor town to you?

His interaction with you + the vote on you resemble the reasoning that I thought when deciding to vote you.

I crumb things like that if I feel they are important. Good v. Evil Mafia has a lot of examples of me doing it.

TE, you're right but I like fucking with people. So.

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Wait a thought just came to me about Klazam. What if he is CL asking for more time so he can get his Apostle, and will come up with a failed report/attempt. I don't think we should plaay into the palm of his hand.

VOTE: Klazam

What is different from his plea and Drmyshotgun's?

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Did you all have strokes?

If we lynch CL the game is over. Regardless of Appstle.

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Almost want to kill KD but X is likely to be CL

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Why should I shut up?

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X, why should I shut up? I have vague suspicions of why but you aren't helping your case

Mist link to any scum games?

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Hmm.

Somebody vote me please. I'll self hammer to prevent the CL from recruiting for today.

Goddamnit. Ninjaed

Wait a fucking minute. If you get ninja'd, then why did you bother posting the obsolete and useless material you were intending to post?

Vote: Klazam

That's really dumb considering so much easier to just post

But I have done it as scum to retain "credit" for thinking of the same thing

Don't know whether this should count or not

UNVOTE:

Watcher + RB

Pretty much making any fake claim for Shotgun easier

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Who are you tlking about me or Timeater. Because I'm a She >.>

and quit vote-hopping. It's scummy.

Is the only reason you are voting me is because I have "no-content" then I ISO'd you, and hardly have any as well.

If Klazam is going to roleblock Timeater, doesn't that mean he will have to post from his CAA? That could help confirm him. If we can get the power-roles to confirm using that, we just vig and lynch from the VT's.

How do you we have a vig?

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Autocorrect/forgetfulness. I don't know. It was meant to say how do you know we have a vig

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Autocorrect/forgetfulness. I don't know. It was meant to say how do you know we have a vig

OS you sure you arent the CL

Yup I am pretty sure

And it isn't fishing if she put that information out there like a dumbass.

Also, not seeing the problem when literally half the town has already claimed and she was being voted for by someone...

So... unnecessary and over defensive reactions? Yup.

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I kinda figured it would be dumb to fakeclaim since you have a huge burden of proof and can only stall for so long.

Not really. With a weakened version of the Watcher, that would be a pretty ideal fakeclaim especially with all the derping going on.

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I think Xalxe faked the V/LA just so it can look like he was gone when the CAA posted

And KCD has played mafia with me, he knows how Mist Scum plays.

Has he posted anywhere else since? That would be very underhanded.

Also, you never supplied a scumgame. Please link?

VOTE: Kcd

I'll be back in around 24 hours.

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Then what the fuck is Mister X? I was betting on him being the protector.

VOTE: Mister X

We have a protector, a watcher, a roleblocker. What the fuck

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VOTE: trevor

I don't really like the wagon but not lynching the doctor

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And how am I distant?

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Well, you will be explaining so... Might want to figure it out

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But you followed me into Kcd? And Klazam?

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I don't really get where you are coming from since that is a weird/unexpected accusation and given your play with the wagons shows your uneasiness about my slot.

He was notified of being the apostle?

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I thought he was trolling

Still no reason if he was town why he shouldn't explain what he said. I see you lurking this page.

Along with Mister X.

Pedit: never mind

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Tim, nope. Mass claim started you are claiming.

Medhi is confirmed not CL because Xalxe site flaked.

Mist vote is good.

Mister x's vote is *very* bad.

Tim not claiming is weird given how many PRs are already outted...

Medhi, how do you know Shotgun is 14? And how does that prevent him from opening two accounts?

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Tim, give me a scum game plox? Also, how are you "cannot be CL"?

Why aren't you mass claiming?

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Also, Tim, do you believe Kcd's replace out is indicative of an alignment?

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Also, Shotgun, that was a shitty shitty person to watch. Like I want to smack you for how bad that choice was.

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Er, why?

I'll watch random person that's not timeater.

Klazam would not have been apostled by the CL because at the time of the recruitment, he was the main wagon.

I'm thinking about Mist right now. Her play isn't good, but there is one post that is preventing me from voting her.

Xalxe site flaked so it is completely alignment neutral. Although I admit he lays low as not town.

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Medhi, I know. I was trying to set something up for Tim. Kcd replaces out regardless of role. I wanted to see his response.

Tim good play would be going after the CL in my opinion.

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Tonight after I say good bye to friends.

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Too emotional right now

Who did you think you were voting Tim?

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Sorry for the delaying. Post incoming later today. I am packing up for college.

I'm a VT

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Also, I'd prefer if no one actioned until I am able to give my full opinion

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The fact that you want him to hold on to the vig is really scummy

The fact that you want him to use immediately is scummy.

If he wants to shoot me fine, but I am explaining everything later.

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Obviously.

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Too emotional right now

Who did you think you were voting Tim?

Answer this.

I am going back and forth on you Tim. You are distracting me buying things though.

Mind games? You of all people should know that I do that regardless of alignment. But no, that isn't the point of my statement. You are right in suspecting it though. I did put it there for a reason.

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Fuck you guys for creating 3 more pages for me to read.... ugh.

Anyway, I do not have much time to write this, but basically I think Mist is not the CL because (I can't find it now but I know it is in her iso) she said that she wouldn't mind lynching out of the VTs, a pool that she is in. CL *would* only say that because they knew their recruitment was successful.

What I am looking for is whether or not Tim's claim came after that post or before it, but I don't have the time to look right now.

Kcd town or at least not gambiting with a doctor/recruit bs.

I *do* want the vig shot to be used as it would give us a confirmed not CL player, but I don't want it to be used without much discussion. The impression I got from Tim's post was that he wanted Mister X to use the vig shot as soon as possible, which is something I didn't agree on. I don't want a shot to just fire simply because a shot has to be fired. Use it strategically.

Right now I need to look at Tim's iso to see if he was legitimately upset about the fact that he got roleblocked. He didn't look upset and I know *I* would have with a role that confirms someone as a PR/not a vanilla.

Tracker is probably the strongest investigative role we have in the game and I don't remember him being too angry about it.

So my suspicions right now lie with Tim and Shotgun.

Tim for his unusual play and Shotgun for the claim/horrible choice for an action.

Klazam I do not think would have posted at the same time as the CL. Klazam has been away for a while and that shit would just be too nerve racking to do in one of the first games back.

Also, I have a little bit of a theory about apostle+CL play, but I am going to withhold that until I can sit down and really think about its implications. I fear it may give Apostle if there is one a strategy that could potentially fuck up any reads.

I will be basically restricted access to a computer for the next two days. I will probably have time to post on my phone tonight, but I hate posting from my phone so don't expect much except maybe answering questions directed towards myself.

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Oh ya, does anyone have any crumbs of their roles?

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Timeater- any reason why I shouldn't RB you?

go for it

Well... Hmm. I don't really know what to think other than the fact that I would have played that differently if I had the tracker role.

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You claimed 1-shot tracker right?

I just want to have everything out in the open.

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sigh

I'm a one shot tracker

happy?

You claimed 1-shot tracker... That isn't non-consecutive/odd/even.

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Where is the Spanish question mark when you need it.

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Da fuk.

You are lucky that Zor is into kinky shit like that or I would advocate a bullet through your head.

If you had claimed first probably would have forced the CL to claim a power or something... Ugh.

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Anyway FUCK IT.

What I think should be done is that the Lynches should be put to L-1. I have ideas of how this will play it but I don't want it to happen but screw it.

What I think will happen and if this is true hopefully it will since the benefits are mutual. When the CL gets to l-1 he will claim so the Apostle can martyr. At that point we will know that A the CL recruited and B there is an apostle outside of myself and Klazam.

Vig shot will be used and then lynch out of suspects in the VT pool.

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Right now if the CL successfully recruited an Apostle the Apostle is going to want a Convert. Right? In in order to keep numbers up. The only way he can do that is if he martyrs the CL. Doing so kills the CL. The only way he can safely do that is if the CL claims otherwise he needlessly kills the CL.

If we run up the CL he is going to claim CL so the Apostle can recruit which is ideal for that faction.

I don't know really know who I want to lynch.

Probably Shotgun. TE I don't really care for either >_>

VOTE: Shotgun

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And we'd have to wait 3 days with most likely many mislynches.

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Well two people are dying.

So...
And I think Mist is town

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I don't want to lynch Mist.

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Or Klazam for that matter.

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5 hours and I doubt that anyone will go with Shotgun.

*sigh*

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I would have voted Mist if I rememwbered the cult gets the lynch.

Tim, PRs weren't claimed other than Shotty I think when the recruitment happened.

Really don't know what to do right now

VOTE: Tim

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VOTE: Mist

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Because I think Tim is te CL but I think Mist is a liability.

Tim I would like dead because of his weird ass ability using.

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This fucking game. The CL is just fucking with us.

Pretty sure Tim is CL

This is endgame either way

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Walk me through this... If Tim is CL he couldn't recruit since Klazam blocked him.

However, we don't lose anything unles Klazam is the CL...

I don't see any downside to lynching Tim or Shotgun

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VOTE: Shotgun

Roleblock Tim

Should be good?

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If the Apostle didn't martyr it is likely because they were not there at the time of recruitment.

I was not there at the time of the recruitment. Who else wasn't there?

Remember the Apostle doesn't know who the CL is and he is likely on the Shotgun lynch if I had to take a guess.

However, I wouldn't put it past Tim to recruit someone unusual.

Also, thank you Klazam.

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And KCD. You especially.

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Ya. That was my mistake. I'm tired and as of lately haven't been giving this game my full attention. You are right though, if the person was not there when Tim was lynched I would list them as likely to be Apostle.

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I wish I had more time to give this game a proper reread. *sigh*

Anyway, tomorrow I am going to look into the gambit that Tim was trying to pull and whether or not it will have fruits.

I will then look at what interaction's Tim had when he most likely recruited (not yesterday and not Day 1).

I probably won't get anything since Tim is such a sneaky ass fuck.

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Why is shotty that much cleared?

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I want to test something actually.

VOTE: Mehdi

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Only have enough time for one real opinion, but I think Tim was trying to pull a gambit by going after Mehdi after he recruited him to try and get credit for the lynch + a shotgun lynch.

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Where did I say you were using that as a defense? I'm not accusing you of that defense either.

There's more to it than just that but I am controlling how much of my opinions I give for the moment.

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So what did you mean in it? Your idea was it was a gambit to make me look more town. Making yourself look town and defending yourself by past things are similar even if not the same.

No.

My idea was that Tim's gambit is that he actually recruited you, was going to push you until you died, gain credit from your flip, get a Shotgun mislynch, and work from there.

Of course there are problems with this assumption.

I'd like more people to comment on what has been said so far before I start talking about my other reasons for suspecting you.

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vote: drmyshotgun

lynch the CL today, roleblock the apostle tomorrow. okay klazam?

VOTE: Shotgun

Roleblock Tim

Should be good?

And these two posts seem very similiar...

They are. I won't feel bad if you suspect me for that though.

More reasoning is that Mehdi was basically confirmed not CL and therefore town town town the entire game by virtue of Xalxe's (lack of) presence. It would make sense to go after a player that no one would go after.

His trying to get Medhi lynched came after the fact that he came up with a plan.

And Klazam are you sure about the timing of the vote? I didn't pay too close attention to it.

I was thanking you for RBing him on the first day.

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^ LOL'D

GUESS WHAT

I TRACKED SHOTGUN TO MEHDI LAST NIGHT

GAME OVER FUCKER

VOTE: MEHDI

The audacity of this scumbag. The fucking audacity. FUCKER.

Its me OR shotty. So because that recruit couldn't be the apostle, it had to be me doing it. WELL GUESS WHAT.

Oversoul was protected as well

. I'm being set up. IM BEING FUCKING SET UP MOTHERFUCKERS. CANT YOU SEE IM BEING FUCKING SETUP.

SINCE THE START OF THIS GAME EVERYTHING ABOUT SHOTGUN HAS SCREAMED CL AND FINALLY, FUCKING FINALLY, MY PATIENCE HAS PAID OFF.

I think we are lOoking at the same thing differently Klazam. :/

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Mehdi, why would it matter if you pushed Tim?

Apostle doesn't know who the CL is and all previous play is nullified by the fact that alignments changed.

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I am fine with being lynched, but what does taking actions from this point onwards even do?

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Apostle can't recruit unless he martyred Tom. He didn't do that.

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Ohh...

Well that changes everything. I am fine with the plan. Does that mean we lynch me first? Medhi still needs to die.

mod, can the apostle both recruit and action the same day?

Just to make sure our bases are covered.

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Well that sucks and there goes my plan. I think Klazam is town and I'd like Medhi to die since I know that I am not the apostle. I'll vote whoever tomorrow. Not gonna be around much this weekend so I'd like a decision as soon as possible so I can contribute.

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Should we not end the day on the weekend then? It is an American holiday so people are likely to be busy.

We have enough time before a deadline anyway right?

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Erm.

mod, request 2 day deadline extension

?

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What will happen when it opens on Monday...

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What about Shotty?

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Yay. I knew Tim was acting sketchy as hell.

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There was behavior gaming in this setup that didn't really make it easy For the cult.

I am ashamed I didn't lynch Mist and let X die, but I am happy I was able to get Mehdi lynched.

None of my suspicions ever really felt strong in this game other than personal problems with specific posts.

Who were Tim's choices?

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scumhunting and concise logical play isnt really the optimal fit for scum

klazam, shotgun, oversoul, and kcda all shared a common-jovial-town-tone. its hard to explain. you were the odd man out. i should have realized that you would have a hard time appraising that specific tone i'm talking about, one that usually happens end game when the town realizes its time to stop fucking around and start rallying. you were playing games, they werent. and it showed. its also partially my fault i should have bussed you harder but then again i probably shouldn't have bussed you at all but i just wanted to have some fun. my subsequent posts that day is probably what ruined your chances because i got around to interacting with pretty much everyone except you

Saying nothing at all would have been the ideal play. Or at least if I was in your position.

Would have allowed you to see where the pieces fell with regards to other players' suspicions + no direction to any one likely "apostle".

I tried not to get emotionally involved in this game. It seemed to work for the most part - catching Mehdi. I don't like the feeling though. Despite my detachment, I felt very unsure about a lot of things. When I get emotionally involved I just get this feeling of certainty that I didn't quite have here.

It was fun, though. Tim being cheeky and all.

Mist]

- I thought you were town, but no one else did. I really wish I could find that quote of yours where you suggest lynching yourself before that became the "plan" in later days. It displayed townie intent and a sacrificial nature which would be counter to what the CL wants *unless* they had already recruited.

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That's originally what set off alarm bells haha. It was an odd comment.

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If I were CL I'd target OS.

Thinking.