Micro 12 - Chain of Command 9p (Game Over)

[Hoopla]

Confirm.

[Hoopla]

Why?

[Hoopla]

It might be a more a fruitful endeavour if PR's were all guaranteed to be within the ensigns and were guaranteed to be town, but with scum occupying any potential role or rank, there isn't much to gain.

[Hoopla]

VP and Vi used to date.

[Hoopla]

Confirm.

PRs claiming is a bad idea and you should feel bad.

^ Scum post.

[Hoopla]

VOTE: AurorusVox

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Scum potentially having a second path to victory means we need to protect the command unit for the most part. We should need to be very suspicious of an officer to lynch them early in the game, as regardless of whether scum has a command role, it's quite beneficial for scum if we mislynch a town officer:

- All officers are town: an officer mislynch D1, means town has to protect against the possibility of a backdoor win with greater intensity.
- An officer is scum: an officer mislynch D1 means the scum officer gains greater protection, as town's risk is much higher.

We should be aiming for a 5p endgame with (hopefully) one scum-ensign dead and two officers alive - lynching an officer in a lylo doesn't have the associated risks early in the game, as being wrong fullstop loses the game, so the rank is largely irrelevant. But for now, to minimise scum's chances of opening up the alternate win, we should tiptoe around exposing officers.

I also think PR's initial instinct should be to obey. Unless the orders are obviously doing something to hurt the town, we should be taking the chance the Captain is town (at least early in the game). By disobeying for a large percentage of our actions, we play the game closer to mountainous - and 2:7 mountainous isn't so hot for town - even more so when scum sometimes have a second win condition. We should be trying to be as much value from PR's are possible, and the chance that the Captain is scum shouldn't prevent you from obeying an order if it seems reasonable.

[Hoopla]

We also await another post from Hoopla.

Why me?

[Hoopla]

I claim Bodyguard.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla... Are you serious? Why?

Yes.

I'd like to see more from you too, honestly. And I don't mean just setup-related ones.

You know the game is less than 48 hours old... be nice.

[Hoopla]

We wanted another post from you because you, like Jarvis, only commented on theory after the game started... You still appear to be outside the ongoing conversation.

I'm always part of the conversation, even if only in spirit sometimes.

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hinduragi

[Hoopla]

I'm actually suspicious of Sixty too - but I might be getting this vibe because of it being a hydra. Who else is in it? Vi and...?

[Hoopla]

That's stupid.

Can Sixty at least sign which posts are Vi and which aren't?

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sixty

[Hoopla]

VP is probably town.
petapan seems town too.

[Hoopla]

Sixty, I'm not suspicious of you for out-of-game reasons - but out-of-game reasons are preventing me from reading you in a way where I might be inclined to vibe you as town.

[Hoopla]

Scum are in Sixty, Hinduragi, SleepyKrew. AurorusVox as a wildcard.

Lets lynch whoever of those aren't officers.

[Hoopla]

I

unclaim Bodyguard

too.

[Hoopla]

What are you suggesting?

Pick whoever of Sixty, Hinduragi, SleepyKrew - don't lynch whichever ones of them are officers.

[Hoopla]

Please correct us if we are mistaken, but are you saying "I could give you a Town read here and now, but oops! sorry, hydra account, totally can't read you"? Even by your standard of play we find this quite insincere.

Why?

When you read through the game, you usually get vibes both ways and go with an overall feeling. Being in a hydra tends to blunt tells based on tone, evolution of thought and state of mind because internal sifting and more than one author muddles things up. I think you underestimate how different it is to read a hydra (especially one where you don't know who is posting what). You're not one entity - you have separate methods of processing information, presenting posts, and interacting with people - and when you're trying to pick up on nuances in a player's behaviour, not being able to attribute two separate posts to the same mind DOES prevent them being read as town.

[Hoopla]

hoopla do you have a legit reason for reading sixty as scum or is it just policy

Yeah, I have a gut scum read on Sixty.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla...We believe that our previous post was clear... Bargaining with us to reveal ourselves in order to immediately reverse a scum read on us is highly ingenuine.

I wouldn't reverse a read if that's what you thought I was angling for...

[Hoopla]

I was explaining why I find it difficult to embrace any town vibes Sixty might have been emitting.

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, I'm perturbed by yours too. How much attention have you been paying to the thread?

I spend several hours a day on this thread.

[Hoopla]

See my problem?

Also I asked what the idea behind the bodyguard claim was.

Do you believe SK was being real?

There was an idea. There's no point sayin' though.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, why are you voting SKrew over the other two in your pool?

Not sure. I think Sixty is probably a better vote again.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sixty

[Hoopla]

kanye's catch up post isn't good, but we should still be lynching Sixty, imo.

[Hoopla]

you're not picking up what i'm putting down?

[Hoopla]

Why don't you vote Sixty now? If only for my own peace of mind knowing Sixty will get a claiming opportunity before being hammered.

[Hoopla]

I'll them claim and let the "omg reactions" come out. Im just saying pre-emptively I dont care about the claims in this game.

I don't think we should lynch an officer today - so claims are important.

[Hoopla]

P.S. Hoopla, thank you for making it very clear what scum should claim. Since they're aware of such, claims now mean even less than they did previously.

Yep, that Sixty character certainly is a dummy. Wish I didn't tell her how to play as scum.

[Hoopla]

We are bothered by the absence of Hoopla from the thread as she has been present on the forums while our question to her stands unanswered... In addition, it is still unclear why she voted SleepyKrew/kanyeknowsbest.

What question would you like me to answer?

I voted SleepyKrew because he was doing less than me(!) and tell me kanye's catch up post didn't suck.

[Hoopla]

could you please tell me what about my catchup post you didnt like, aside from the fact that i expressed distrust of you?

It was like, as bad as my posting this game.

[Hoopla]

Lame.

petapan: Want something? Look at the four players on my wagon. Then consider what is likelier: that I'm scum, or them. Those four are literally my top four suspects - I think everyone else not voting me is town.

[Hoopla]

I actually think Sixty is town now, mostly from chatlogs. It'd be a pretty dirty tactic to fabricate entire IM conversations from the point of view of townies, and I think it's less likely Tierce would use an underhand tactic like that as scum given she's a pillar of strong ethics and morals.

[Hoopla]

dang, guess all the scum are just omgussing u hard as heck, huh?must be tough.

I know you're being sarcastic, but it does tend to happen.

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hinduragi

[Hoopla]

but the whole suspicion on everyone voting you is, like, so weak, you know?

I think it's usually a decent method of evaluating wagons, particularly early in the game. I often ask myself what seems likelier; that player X is scum or the wagon pushing player X contains scum. When evaluating my own wagon, I think I have a pretty good radar when it comes to realising that it's scum or town driven - I get lynched often enough, so I probably should be good at it by now.

I've recently been trying to make an active change to gamestyle and explain reads less, because nobody really reads what I have to say and rarely believes me. I also think explaining things ad nauseum like I do can lead me into confirmation bias. So, you'll have to believe me when I say my read on Sixty was a combination of PoE and tone. The latter is explained by being a hydra with a gimmick, and (annoyingly) I think the chatlogs probably makes them town now.

Nothing became of the Bodyguard claim, so there is nothing to say.

[Hoopla]

You want me to answer this, Sixty?

Why would you excuse what you are calling scummy behavior based on meta, especially when you already know one of our identities? We are of one accord on everything we have posted...

I honestly don't know what you're saying here.

[Hoopla]

what were you expecting to come of it?

I didn't know what to expect. I didn't go into it with any preconceived tells I was trying to witness, if that's what you mean.

[Hoopla]

Do you ever go for walks around a city without direction? Sometimes you find something new and interesting you wouldn't even think of.

[Hoopla]

Fair enough, peta. Final reads:

Town - Sixty, VP, peta, Jarvis
In the middle - kanye, Hindu
Scum - Ythan, AurorusVox

I changed my mind on my middling/scum reads.

[Hoopla]

I believe I'm hammered, so if you want to ask me any questions before night, make them relevant ones rather than trying to lecture.

[Hoopla]

I'm starting to read Hindu as bored/obnoxious townie - consider it a form of outguessing, but I think he'd at least have a little more caution or put more effort in to make appearances. Too often I have been burnt by townies that play this way - and I think scum just don't as much.

I'm not exactly sure why I think Jarvis is town - he's just sort of remained a fixture in my town list since the beginning and I haven't seen anything yet to overturn it. I initially read him as town early on by the way others were treating him, more so than anything he did.

[Hoopla]