Micro 31 - Micro Madness! II - Game Over!

[Chocola]

Gonna have to replace guys, 2 weeks isn't a long enough deadline

[Chocola]

thatsthejoke.jpeg

[Chocola]

only when saving in Paint

[Chocola]

,
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chocola

CONFESS

I ate the last slice of pie I'm sorry

Touche
(I still wanna know who you are btw)

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN CATGIRLS

[Chocola]

but the game only started 7 hours ago

and we have two whole weeks

how the fuck does it take two weeks to decide on a lynch anyway

unless you actually want to sub out in which case lol

nah I'm still playing

[Chocola]

how the fuck does it take two weeks to decide on a lynch anyway

Because over at MotK you guys post tons of walls and pretend to know what you're doing and somehow you all manage to come together on a lynch within 3 days.

AND IT WORKS

[Chocola]

meta is kind of dumb and I wouldn't try to rely on it, especially in a game with a bunch of people you don't know

[Chocola]

I haven't played with you guys in a while so why would you expect me to know this? My gut is saying he's scum.

Conq is most likely town

I do like the contradictions here.

I think Nom was saying he had gut on Manju, not Conq

[Chocola]

I know like half the playerlist, I just don't remember their meta.

"like half" is helping even less in this situation

also yeah you guessed right earlier if you still were wondering

Also, Chocula, could you be any more fucking useless?
Do you feel like contributing, like, you know,

anything

to this thread that isn't a token observation with no commentary or thoughts to complement it?

you need to chill out man
VOTE: thdgkdms
a blown gasket isn't winning you any awards here in the townie department

[Chocola]

- It'd be cool if NNR would stop focusing more on his back-and-forths with people than anything else

Also, Chocula continues to do the equivalent of fuck all.

We're like, not even 24 hours in (out of TWO WEEKS), it's 3 AM, and we've only just got out of RVS apparently

I can't be expected to have a full list of reads yet, geez

[Chocola]

also my vote was totes serious

[Chocola]

calling AtE on randomletters

[Chocola]

But surely you can do more than add useless quips and appeal to emotion.

it seems we're at an impasse here

your rageposting is totes AtE, I don't know where you're getting mine from

[Chocola]

^^^
more ate

[Chocola]

But surely you can do more than add useless quips and appeal to emotion.

it seems we're at an impasse here

your rageposting is totes AtE, I don't know where you're getting mine from

You do realize that there is a rather big difference between appealing to emotion, which is something that you've done, and expressing emotions such as anger.
... Right?

using "emotion is townie" is ate and defs a scumtell, mate

[Chocola]

Neither of you have really been doing any AtE.

- It'd be cool if NNR would stop focusing more on his back-and-forths with people than anything else

Also, Chocula continues to do the equivalent of fuck all.

We're like, not even 24 hours in (out of TWO WEEKS), it's 3 AM, and we've only just got out of RVS apparently

I can't be expected to have a full list of reads yet, geez

Oh, poor thing. It's so early for it and I should totally leave it alone despite the fact that it's been posting but not contributing. Yeah. Totally not appeal to emotion.

HAH! That's appeal to reason, not emotion. You dun goofed.

[Chocola]

Sure. Because complaining about a lack of sleep in an attempt to garner pity is totally not emotive. Right?

Why focus on the lack of sleep I haven't more then made vague possibility to while ignoring the fact that only two players have produced meaningful content so far bub? Maybe me being awake till 3 is normal and I'm not actually tired. Ever consider that? You're cherrypicking a tidbit of the entire quote here as ammo while ignoring the rest and ignoring the state of the game

you're only solidifying the vote i already have down on you.

[Chocola]

Nom is kind of odd by defending his "playstyle" as "meta" which is bad because meta is bad and relying on it is bad
otherwise he's p cool. neutral

Manju's just been the peanut gallery over there and not really doing anything aside from stating the obvious like "RVS posts aren't serious". lean scum for now until he does something more useful.

[Chocola]

to resummarize randomletters is scum because his 'scumhunting' is shitty and he's using rageposting and yelling at people to make himself look more productive and townie when he's not actually doing anything important

Looks like someone else could also do with reading my meta.

meta is bad and you should feel bad

[Chocola]

also i dont pay attention to meta or read about it, i use my mafia time doing pro scumhunting like i am now

i suggest you fix your meta problem or get lynched later

[Chocola]

I think you're implying you're using scum meta in which case

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Om of the Nom

[Chocola]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thdgkdms
no but seriously cut that shit out

[Chocola]

Using meta for any reason is seriously a bad thing to do, especially using it as an excuse to explain why you're town

it only confuses people and makes them think youre scum regardless of what meta excuses you try to throw out

[Chocola]

I'm confused as to why I should be reading your meta list instead of wondering if I should think you're scum for your weird quirks or if you're scum for suggesting I should read your meta list instead of wondering if you're scum

[Chocola]

Reading about your playstyle is arbitrary bullshit anyway when you've already told me you can and will mix scum and town meta intentionally to be confusing

[Chocola]

therefore you're scum for ever suggesting it in the first place

Game Set Match

[Chocola]

In any case randomletters is still scum and I'm sticking to that vote

You need to get off your "playstyle" or "meta" or whatever and try to post like the rest of us so you don't get attacked for it in the first place

[Chocola]

It's not like I can't defend myself any other way, meta is just easy to use.

Forgot to point this out, but it's statements like this that get you lynched, Nom. It only proves my argument.

[Chocola]

holy shit what the hell oh my god what the fuck I mean what what what what what

I went to sleep, wake up and there's 6 pages to read

Welcome to day 1 of 14 of Day Phase 1. Only 325 hours till N1. Get workin.

Just a note, the first two pages are RVS bullshit and you won't actually get anything useful out of them. The game starts at Page 3, good luck

goin 2 bed

[Chocola]

i lied about bed

First things first, responding to all the stupid things.

Sure. Because complaining about a lack of sleep in an attempt to garner pity is totally not emotive. Right?

Why focus on the lack of sleep I haven't more then made vague possibility to while ignoring the fact that only two players have produced meaningful content so far bub? Maybe me being awake till 3 is normal and I'm not actually tired. Ever consider that? You're cherrypicking a tidbit of the entire quote here as ammo while ignoring the rest and ignoring the state of the game

And yet you fail to offer any insight so as to your opinion on those two players that you claim have produced meaningful content. You're just content to sit back and throw in some token observations that you do absolutely nothing with.
If you being awake until 3 is normal and you're not actually tired, then why the fuck are you doing nothing?
You complained about the time, it is normal to make the assumption that you are not normally awake at that time. However, neither situation excuses you from posting whilst doing nothing, thereby allowing you to engage in active lurking.

Do you like making up bullshit or what? How do we go from WE'RE 8 HOURS INTO THE DAY to "AtE because you're potentially tired" to "You're Active Lurking"?

you're only solidifying the vote i already have down on you.

Your vote on me for what, exactly. Oh, nothing other than voting you. Okay.

Fuck the meta argument that follows. You know who gives a shit about meta? People that aren't me. People change. The metagame changes. Deal with it.

i use my mafia time doing pro scumhunting like i am now

"hurf durf omgus"
Highly professional.

Look at this guy he thinks he's hilarious. Way2go discrediting my argumants

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thdgkdms
no but seriously cut that shit out

Cut what shit out? Voting you? Why the fuck should I?

That was directed at Nommers not you, stop ISOing or whatever you people call it and actually read

And as much as I hate people relying on meta, you realize that using meta by itself is not a scumtell. Again, people are different and think in different ways. Tell me, Chocola, how does JOB telling people to look at his meta make him scum? Or, rather, tell me why you think JOB is scum in the first place again.

who the fuck is JOB
Telling people that suspect Nom to go look at meta is what I like to call "refuge in meta" and comes off as a scumtell. He said he can defend himself without meta but apparently he's too lazy to do so, which is bad and scummy.

[Chocola]

First, there's the active lurking where he does nothing but add token comments to events going on.

First post: 12:31AM
First vote: 1:26AM
>Active Lurking
>One Hour
You lose

He complains about the time

Making a big deal about a throwaway comment it's 3 AM is dumb

and there not being enough to develop reads from

I should be justified in being unable to get reads from RVS I reckon

despite the fact that he's been able to make random throwaway comments about all the events that had happened up until that point.

:rvs:

He then votes for me for no given reason other than me voting him.

to resummarize randomletters is scum because his 'scumhunting' is shitty and he's using rageposting and yelling at people to make himself look more productive and townie when he's not actually doing anything important

Um

[Chocola]

I like how you manage to hand wave all my reasons for voting you as OMGUS too
You really are the best player here

[Chocola]

The best part naturally being that I voted you before you voted me

I like how you manage to hand wave all my reasons for voting you as OMGUS too
You really are the best player here

And I like how you refuse to tell me why you're voting for me.

Try scrolling up

[Chocola]

If shit happens, then it's possible to lurk. It doesn't matter if it's 1 hour or 100 hours into the game. You showed that you were active, yet refused to add anything to the topic. Ergo, active lurking since you're trying to look like you're doing something when you're not.

And you realize that the crux of my argument is about you not doing anything, not you failing to produce reads, right?

I produced reads on the three active players so far. All I need.

You want a better reason why I'm voting you? Here you go.

He then votes for me for no given reason other than me voting him.

VOTE: thdgkdms

UNVOTE: mrfrobozzo VOTE: Chocula

You may notice the number 102 comes AFTER 78
QUIT MAKING UP BULLSHIT

/game

[Chocola]

EBWOP

If shit happens, then it's possible to lurk. It doesn't matter if it's 1 hour or 100 hours into the game. You showed that you were active, yet refused to add anything to the topic. Ergo, active lurking since you're trying to look like you're doing something when you're not.

You are REALLY reaching for reasons to vote me. It isn't working.

[Chocola]

Nom is kind of odd by defending his "playstyle" as "meta" which is bad because meta is bad and relying on it is bad
otherwise he's p cool. neutral

Manju's just been the peanut gallery over there and not really doing anything aside from stating the obvious like "RVS posts aren't serious". lean scum for now until he does something more useful.

It was right above my reasons for voting you

of course you never saw that either

[Chocola]

Anyway, if my case on you is bad, where does that leave yours?

You're voting me for "active lurking" during RVS and not having an opinion on shitty worthless RVS posts
For apparently being tired and AtE which is unfounded and based on the fact I named the time in the middle of the same posts complaining you were getting mad over having no opinion on said worthless RVS posts
And for OMGUS which is just plain false.

Meanwhile my case on you is
-Rageposting, which is "emotion is townie", a tactic used by scum to make them look superficially better
-YOUR shitposting, which consists of "yelling at RVS players and getting confused about 'contradictions'" to make yourself look more contributive
-Your failed attempts at scumhunting using complete bullshit and also lies to try and make me look bad
-Disregarding my arguments (which you can't be bothered to look for) and hand-waving it as OMGUS (which again, wasn't even OMGUS)
-Let's now add "Disregarding my reads which are based on 2 hours of meaningful posting" because my reads "mean jack shit"

I've seen people more satisfied with reads that are just "x is townie, y is neutral" based on an entire day phase worth of posting.

[Chocola]

You may as well also convict me for tunneling despite the fact NOBODY ELSE IS ACTUALLY POSTING

[Chocola]

do I have to stay up another three hours for someone besides manju to post

[Chocola]

two week deadlines

[Chocola]

okay pressure votes arent that bad i guess

EDIT: oh wait you changed it

my vote still stays on randomletters for his completely awful scumhunting and fakemad

[Chocola]

dont know where you guys are getting this town read from

[Chocola]

I still considered RVS to have ended at post 67. Even then I didn't have anything major to say until randomletters started his gasket and I voted him.

I mean, there was that contradiction thing, and I commented on it, and that was about it until that point? There was also the whole meta thing which I ended up discussing later in the day any way.

[Chocola]

Om, I want you to explain what you mean by Chocola seeming townie but you not liking his posts? Your opinions are all pretty vague, so I'm also wondering how you arrived at Manju with "PoE" based on what you gave.

I don't like some of the arguments he's using, but his tone seems kinda like an inexperienced but arrogant person (like how I was back then). I think he's probably just town that still doesn't get the mechanics/theory completely.
Manju is because he's really one of the only people who hasn't given me any sort of townie vibes at all. PoE isn't really a part of it.

Will respond to the other stuff soon.

hahahahaha oh man

[Chocola]

No, I think I'm pretty experienced at Mafia, I've been playing for at least a year. Arrogant? Maybe, but I don't like people like randomnumbers trying to push me around when I'm trying to have a fun time with this game.

Hell, I'm not usually even as laid back with grammar as I've been in this thread, I just feel it's not so fun playing mafia and being so serious all the time.

[Chocola]

It's not a good reason considering I've never mentioned that to him. Frankly, I know I've mentioned it onsite, so clearly he has been looking at my games

I clicked that wiki link and gave it a nice skim. Fun times.

[Chocola]

If he isn't I have no idea what he's doing. Between "go read my meta" and his entire 177, I think he's kind of hypocritical for calling ME the Mafia Newb

[Chocola]

I'm noticing a correlation between two week deadlines and shitty scumhunting skills here

[Chocola]

Chocola, have you ever won a game almost single-handedly as scum? Have you actually won as scum at all?
Have you ever lynched scum in LYLO almost entirely based off your reasons (as in, you managed to convince the other person that Player A is scum without them really thinking otherwise beforehand)?

i don't roll scum

just ask motk

[Chocola]

Chocola, have you ever hammered your lover pair in lylo? Have you ever lost in lylo at all? Have you ever modkilled yourself to cause MYLO by asking for the graveyard before your death was set in stone (as in, you managed to convince the mod to link you without them considering the possibility of you surviving the night beforehand)?

I think I did the last one to you once as a mod by accident

fun times

[Chocola]

Nice to see people keep discrediting my Dan read

you really seem to like that word "discrediting" a lot

The entire whatever happened in the last page looks retarded. I'm going away again, screw ya'll.

sure is two week deadlines in here

[Chocola]

Chocola I am like this close to bringing in a dumb meta argument to get you to stop sidelining everything, what's your beef with om and why's thdgkdms the better vote

Om seems to be pretty poor at scumhunting for a "two yearer". Also he throws around a lot of buzzwords and uses "discrediting" as some kind of defense mechanism or impulse whenever somebody tries to counter-argue his really poor reads

I'm not switching because I don't jump on the most active scummy player of the moment just because my read was scummy yesterday and isn't here today. It's how I got Scum Roleclop lynched and I'm sticking to it.

Also you seem to like sidelining a lot too mister

C: [More Om Links]
sorry to burst your ego balloon but nobody cares about older games or how good you are despite somehow losing all your ability in this game

[Chocola]

conq/dan scumteam calling it now

[Chocola]

Apparently nobody but me is ever going to vote randomsomethings so I guess I'll have to switch to Om after all

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Om of the Nom

C: What are past games

[Chocola]

UNVOTE:
I just realized I have no idea how many votes are on anyone

even the mods are two-weeks here

[Chocola]

I do kind of think it matches up pretty well with Angel Beats but, but this game isn't serious and it's hard to tell when he's playing about as seriously as I am.

It's a pretty decent possibility considering how much sidelining he's done

[Chocola]

The main problem is that HW really stuck out to me gut-wise in Angel Beats and he hasn't done so quite as much this game

[Chocola]

VOTE: Om of the Nom
I hope you're accurate

[Chocola]

<Giant Wall I Didn't Read>

So in conclusion, what's your opinion on Om of the Nom, if you unvoted me just to vote me again?

Anyways, I would probably be able to gut Manju better if all his potentially scummy posts weren't totally overshadowed by Om being the worst player I've ever had the delight to share a game with.

All his posts are just SO DUMB I can't even be bothered to list and argue them all.

Om, if you're town, you seriously, truly, RIGHT NOW need to cut all your self-centered "I'm townie because I say I am and also meta" bullshit, find somebody who is actually scummy, and make a GOOD case on him/her.

As much it makes my day to be able to read sparkling gems such as "I only comment on stuff directed at me" (which I do all the time but don't actually admit aloud because I'm not a lummox) you need to cut that shit out because you only look stupider for saying it. I can't even take you seriously at all.

Try making a read/case based on something besides "x player is trying to butter me up". Reads on you that aren't "you're scum" should be completely ignored because they shouldn't mean jack shit to you if you're town (mainly because said opinions would be true in any case).

[Chocola]

PS. Chocola, still think you're more full of bullshit than Om of the Nom is.
Anyway, busy. But don't worry, I'll be back with something even more interesting sometime later.

are you going to back that up with some actual reasoning any time soon

[Chocola]

Current reads are:

Towniest
Me

Neutral

Conq

Frobozzo

Lean Scum
Manju

Kill It With Fire
consonants
Om

Unreadable
Everyone Else

Yeah, Om's switch out isn't really phazing me right now. I guess I could fall back on randomwhatevers even though everyone reads him town for dawgknowswhy (still want some reasoning for this), but I don't think I will.

I haven't had much luck in getting town or scum vibes from bozzo, to note.

[Chocola]

I guess technically shos is the towniest but my role pm doesn't lie either so eh

haha I just remembered the theme for this game was clowns

[Chocola]

Current reads are:
I haven't had much luck in getting town or scum vibes from bozzo, to note.

I'm not a doll. I'm very much alive!
I imagine neutral is the same as unreadable?

everyone else hasn't posted enough in the game for me to actually try to read them, whereas you've posted plenty enough.

I guess thinking about it a little more you lean slightly town to me?

Id have to put more effort into it to really determine

[Chocola]

RANDOM@%$+& AND CRESTFALL I SEE YOU LURKING

[Chocola]

sweet, I was hoping we'd get some shadoweh action in on this thread

now i have even more reason to lynch nom's player slot on d1

[Chocola]

yeah I don't see much effort coming from RC and BT aside from their text walls. Dan isn't even existing right now. I know Dan goes V/LA all the time, but the rest feels too :twoweeks: to be excusable when they do fine in superior MotK games. Also thdsgasgsdvs is active lurking.

this game isn't even that dense, why are people complaining?

not really sure where to put my vote, but Om is still the worst imo so the vote stays until Shadoweh does something actually redeeming (like scumhunting)

[Chocola]

and now i know why om doesn't play motk games any more

so do you think om is actually scum for switching or just some whiny townie brat? This is a question that seems unresolved

Shadoweh, do you have any reads of other players that aren't your own slot or fobozzo?

~token questioning~ I guess but this game seems to be at a halt until the slower players catch up

[Chocola]

Choco you pretentious douche if you had actually read my posts, which isn't hard because there are only like three of them, you would be able to clearly see I have reads on people besides my sexy sexy slot and Maizono. I will forgive you though because I am a proponent of asking stupid questions for the sake of stupid answers.

I read all three of your posts and didn't see any "I think x is town/scum" phrases in them. Just that me and randoms dislike eachother (obviously), and that RC needs to post more.

[Chocola]

PS randomthings's giant wall post is incredibly silly stuff that we already argued about like 10 pages ago and covers nothing recent whatsoever. Are you still trying o get me for active lurking? That seems pretty hard considering my posts make up a decent chunk of the thread. A few sideline comments every now and then shouldn't be so much of a big deal.
Also, I only considered Manju meta because fobozzo brought it up.

im glad you're having fun goofing around with this game randomletters but you should probably start getting serious like i did when I dealt with you on page 3-7. You haven't contributed pretty much anything at all.

[Chocola]

I mean you could have been actually reading the thread instead of writing that pointless waste of space, you know

[Chocola]

In fact he noted somewhere he'd rather stay on thgffdargdffs because he lynched the roleclop that way but he switches to Om anyway

Om got really awful and warranted the switch, and besides, everyone else seems to have a town read on him, so there's no point in having the vote parked there.

However since Om's switch I've had little to no other content to actually go on, the game has been dragging rather badly the last few days, especially with regards to you and RC and randomletters not doing anything.

Which doesn't even seem like pursual at all.

Why bother? Two thirds of that post is just him putting all my posts since the beginning of the game in a bad light, including everything in the debate I had with him, which you can go back and read. His arguments were awful, and I made some counterpoints I thought/still think were rather sound.

He's spent the entire game tunneling on me, stopping only to point out how awful Om was, and it's kind of ridiculous. Most of his argument I'm active lurking is simply me having fun with the game. It's not like I'm not contributing.

That so? Why would you condone the use of meta by other people but not Om of the Nom?

Nom with meta was being self-centered and arrogant. At the very least Fobozzo was trying to use meta to scumhunt. If I wanted to take the meta seriously, though, I'd probably be voting Manju for it.

One thing I'd like to note about Chocola is that all of his arguments seem to amount to "you're stupid" rather than "you're scum".

Are you trying to imply poor scumhunting is not a scumtell? I didn't realize I was in a newbie game with a bunch of newbtown. How

silly

of me.

[Chocola]

EBWOP: "His arguments were awful, and I made some counterpoints I thought/still think were rather sound." This is in regards to the Page 3-7 head-to-head with letters.

[Chocola]

You know what? I think I WILL switch back to thdgkdms for my vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thdgkdms

[Chocola]

And care to tell me how I have not contributed pretty much anything at all?
Like, seriously, can you ever elaborate? It doesn't hurt (much), you know.

Consider the following:

This is a game with 9 players. So far, you've put effort into talking about only three of those players - including yourself.

There's a mountain of other posts that are not mine, Om's, or yours, and you haven't so much as acknowledged them aside from responding to when your name is called for a silly comment or two.

Are you ever going to read the other players or even consider a suspect that isn't me or Om? We've been here for eight days. Say something about someone who isn't me.

[Chocola]

Or you could, like, you know, try to convince other people that he's scum.
If you so honestly believe that Om of the Nom is scum, why not convince other people of it?
Except, I already know what you're going to say: "But I already have and people aren't listening".
If people aren't listening, have you tried thinking that the way you're going about it is wrong? Because, there is a very important distinction between bad play and scummy play that you don't seem to be grasping.
(PS. Pushing bad play as being scummy purely for being bad is scummy.)

Wasn't there a wagon on Om at some point? I'm pretty sure pretty much everyone has agreed Om was silly and pretty terrible this game. Shadoweh has yet to post enough for me to determine if he's replaced in a scum slot, but my gut says he might.

Also, if you're going to accuse me of putting your posts in a bad light, have you stopped to consider that your posts are just bad? Tell me what parts of my post are unjustified.

You put my RVS posts in your case :V
If you think you can lynch me for "I'm replacing out because THIS IS A FUNNY JOKE RELATED TO ABSURD MAFIASCUM DEADLINES" then you're clearly trying too hard.

And if you're going to say that you made some counterpoints that you were, and still are, valid, could you point them out?

Anyway, if my case on you is bad, where does that leave yours?

You're voting me for "active lurking" during RVS and not having an opinion on shitty worthless RVS posts
For apparently being tired and AtE which is unfounded and based on the fact I named the time in the middle of the same posts complaining you were getting mad over having no opinion on said worthless RVS posts
And for OMGUS which is just plain false.

Meanwhile my case on you is
-Rageposting, which is "emotion is townie", a tactic used by scum to make them look superficially better
-YOUR shitposting, which consists of "yelling at RVS players and getting confused about 'contradictions'" to make yourself look more contributive
-Your failed attempts at scumhunting using complete bullshit and also lies to try and make me look bad
-Disregarding my arguments (which you can't be bothered to look for) and hand-waving it as OMGUS (which again, wasn't even OMGUS)
-Let's now add "Disregarding my reads which are based on 2 hours of meaningful posting" because my reads "mean jack shit"

I've seen people more satisfied with reads that are just "x is townie, y is neutral" based on an entire day phase worth of posting.

You're the scummiest to me, and therefore I will push for your lynch. If you want to take that as tunnelling, so be it. But, just saying here, the fact that you acknowledge that I'm looking at other people in pointing out that I was calling out Om of the Nom kind of defeats your argument that I'm tunnelling.

You made a giant case wall on Om of the Nom then proceeded to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH IT.

In addition, tell me how you're contributing. What have you offered to the game? You've called myself and Om of the Nom stupid. What else?

I've made plenty of lines on Manju and fobozzo. I also had a post or two on Shadoweh.

You were around and posting when something happened based around Working Manju that got him so many votes, yet you contributed nothing to it.

I have my reads down on Manju, and I don't think he's worth lynching today.

you admitted in your response to BT that you did nothing because nothing was supposedly happening.

I'm waiting on three other players to post more so I can get reads on them. Until they make some actual posts we're essentially running without information pertaining to them aside from a couple RVS points and one or intermittent game summaries.

How are the two different? Using meta to try to prevent your own lynch and using meta to try to lynch someone else. Both sound pretty bad if I adopt your position that using meta to further your own means is bad. Because, you know, in both of the situations you've quoted the involved parties are using meta to further their own means.

You don't use meta on yourself. That's just stupid. That's like me trying to argue that I'm town because I've never rolled scum on MotK. The only way I would bother using self-meta is referencing the line where Manju says I can't be this arrogant as town, considering he's the only one who's ever seen me in a scum game. However anyone aside from Manju taking this to heart would probably be rather quick to jump to it.
Considering Manju himself said he's constantly using different playstyles in this thread, it's rather dumb to really take his meta into consideration anyway.

Bad play by itself does not equate to scummy play. If someone is trying their best to find and lynch scum, is that not an indication that they have townie motivation?
However advocates of lynching based purely on bad play, such as yourself, are far scummier due to how you can essentially set up mislynches on anyone who isn't well versed in :words:

here's weak cases then there's cases full of misdirection and poor reasoning - scummy case-making. Even weak cases are (somewhat, at least) valid cases, but you and Om have not been making valid cases.

[Chocola]

Not really sure how to handle BT since his only major content post, aside from his game summary, is his attack on me. Obviously he doesn't sit well with me gut-wise since he's currently attacking me.

I addressed him in my huge quote wall above somewhat with he "perusal" issue on me.

Aside from Om and consonants, I'm the only player who's had a major campaign brought against him, so I could see it as scum siding with consonants to try and bring me down

However that's somewhat of a tinfoil hat theory

Not so sure about Chocola though; leaning town? would like people to help me out here if they're so sure about this.

This is somewhat of an interesting tidbit he left in his game summary post. It looks like a good diving board to jump on me later, which he apparently successfully used.

[Chocola]

EBWOP

I addressed him in my huge quote wall above somewhat with he "perusal" issue on me.

To clarify, I mean the top half of #350

[Chocola]

dan promised coming back on tuesday morning at the very latest. it's now tuesday night / wednesday morning.

this makes me fakemad

[Chocola]

If you read carefully, you might notice that in post #346, I promise to comment on other things in the game later. I make good on my promises, even if my schedule attempts to prevent me from doing so.

so glad you managed to continue to forgo this to make another quote wall about wonderful me

[Chocola]

Also I don't think I'm going to actually respond to consonants this time because I'd like people to actually read my posts instead of just skip over them like people are doing with him.

[Chocola]

I lied: Condensed Version

Why did you jump off Om after others did

Why push a not-happening lynch? I want to focus on scum that I can actually lynch. The game has 2 scum
FAKEEDIT: I realize I'm a hypocrite for voting you right now but you deserve it

Why were you tired then not tired then tired again

Quotewhere?

I was suspicious and you voted me for "sounding angry". This is bad. Also OMGUS.

Wasn't your post "why the fuck is Chocola doing nothing"?
Doesn't sound like suspicion. Sounds like mad.
Also you're confused about OMGUS again

What BS and Lies?

The OMGUS thing, the AtE thing.

Neutral reads are bad

Neutral means I can go either way and they can read different later, like after 300 hours of time to post.

My Om wall was justified

Except you did nothing with it. If you make a case-wall at least use it as a secondary or something.

Your content is bad

K. Too bad you didn't read the next posts.

Shadoweh

2 scum don't make a town, consonants

Manju

I might have lied about that

meta

meta is dumb and I don't typically use it. However Om is bad because he used self-meta and admitted to being too lazy to not use meta for defense.

Why are my cases bad
If I acknowledge my scummy posts and apologize this should make my cases better
If you don't think so, why are my cases bad

oh wait i think i answered this with my own summary

[Chocola]

At least ~I~ condensed them down
Manju is right, though, this has to stop.
(despite this I continue anyway goddamn it)

OMGUS thing still valid. Your reasons for voting me are bullshit ("You sound angry") and come after I express suspicion of you.
Then why the fuck were you complaining about being tired and relying on this excuse?

Except I voted you for being mad.
I NEVER complained about being tired. The closest I ever got to that was saying I was going to bed (which was a lie)

neutral reads

Uh, yeah. That's kind of why they're bad. Because you're giving yourself room to go either way and can easily change your weak reads with little to no effort.

But players change over time, so shouldn't I be able to justify shifting my weak reads? This is invalid.

The posts that answer nothing, or the posts that I also addressed?
Again, clarity would be really nice right about now.

I made three consecutive posts reading conq. Who cares anyway? Conq is town.

meta, again

The case on Om is he used meta to lazily defend himself. I don't consider the meta itself to be a problem, just it's use. I haven't convicted or defended any players so far based on player meta, just meta usage.

[Chocola]

I feel like switching to BT for his setup to jump on me then doing it later (see#363) but I'm going to wait to see if consonants wants to actually stop this quote war with me.

[Chocola]

I made three consecutive posts reading conq. Who cares anyway? Conq is town.

This is actually wrong (it was all the same post). But I think Conq is town regardless now it's still not really important.

[Chocola]

Also I think what I meant when I said "I've had lots of lines with Conq" was referring to my discussion with him and not my actual read on him.

[Chocola]

So, consonants wants to continue his idiot quote wall but I think I've had about enough.

PS I answered your meta question for the third time already. I'm not using meta as a reason to vote anyone. Meta use =/= meta itself.

@BT: the problem is you worded the read very ambiguously, like you could change at a moment's notice, when you were asking from other players' input on the read.

Yeah, I was looking for a way to voteswich. I thought consonants would consider changing his mind at some point, but no.
If consonants can tunnel this long (10 days straight) without so much as a word on the rest of town he truly is impossible.

[Chocola]

It's just pages and pages of these stupid quotewall wars I'm trapped in

Why the fuck do I bother is he's never going to change his read anyway? I could continue it just to prove he's never going to put any resources into looking at the rest of town if I distract him long enough but I'm just tired of dealing with him

I can't even go vote someone else because he just looks so stupid keeping this up

[Chocola]

The sad part is he's just going to make another quote wall using every single one of these posts as ammo even if I don't respond

[Chocola]

Yeah, I was looking for a way to voteswich. I thought consonants would consider changing his mind at some point, but no.
If consonants can tunnel this long (10 days straight) without so much as a word on the rest of town he truly is impossible.

It's actually nothing new *_*. What's your read of him right now?[/quote]
My vote is still on him, so scum.

Manju/Rylai/BT and say which you would like to vote.

Can Shadoweh be an option?

[Chocola]

RC, is that all you have to say? You haven't done much besides post reads and vote Manju. Any comments on things that have been happening in the last 100 posts? Any change in reads of thafszvzsds or me after the recent crop of wall wars?

What are your comments on Dan, BT, and Shadoweh?

[Chocola]

In fact, why don't you do that thing Manju complained about in the first place and explain how you got to all those reads

[Chocola]

Manju needs to post more and come up with a better case that doesn't rely on meta, on that note. I'd consider voting him too if it wasn't for my two current worst reads (Shadoweh, random-assortment-of-letters)

[Chocola]

Con't "meta" looks more like gut. Besides, Conq reads Manju as town, so it isn't important. Also besides, I debunked that meta with Manju.

That still seems like extreme nitpicking though. Is your plan just to nitpick at all my posts endlessly until I slip up?

[Chocola]

EBWOP: *Conq "meta"

Conq being fobozzo because I'm lazy and forgot to correct that too.

[Chocola]

@Conq: That gif image is kind of disturbing and gory....
Good thing I can adblock it :V

[Chocola]

Why are you dropping RC so easily

[Chocola]

manju are you scum

[Chocola]

only reason I can give for every read atm is gut.

the only person interested in lynching him feels really shifty????

HAHA DIDN'T READ NOPE AHAHAHAHAHA NOPE DIDN'T READ

Mindbogglingly shifty.

wow it's quotes like these that prove how my graph is the most accurate piece of research in all of ms!

[Chocola]

it's sad how half the game is scummy enough to make me want to lynch them

[Chocola]

actually it's more like "people who aren't mrfobozzo or shos (who is only scot free because his role says so)"

[Chocola]

if BT can make 4 posts in a row and be "the only one playing the game" then so can i

HAHA DIDN'T READ NOPE AHAHAHAHAHA NOPE DIDN'T READ

That said, BT's vote switch doesn't feel right, and I can see a Manju/BT team

rc are you scum
why is your vote reasoning so bad
also reading the game is fun
get some reads

the only person interested in lynching him feels really shifty????

BETTER REASON?????????????

I bet BT is scum because he's the only one playing the game
I don't think he's that bad actually and if I questioned his tone I take it back now let's lynch Manju, then he will not have to flake!
Definitely not if I'm not flaking. I can barely read words and remember who people are

are you going to play the game

Currently BT is the most townie non-town-reading player on my list of reads. Let's not lynch him today.
Lynch Order:
consonants>RC>Manju>Shadoweh>Dan>BT>fobozzo>shos>me
Dan should be lower on the list because he doesn't post but meh

EDIT ohhhh nooo bt cut me now ill never have 4 posts in a row and be as active as him

[Chocola]

quote tag fuckups bother me a whole lot

the only person interested in lynching him feels really shifty????

WHERE BETTER REASON?????????????

[Chocola]

maybe we should all start over and act like this is a newer better game

a game with 72 hour deadlines

[Chocola]

Chocola seriously stop being a retard.

manju r u scum

Manju doesn't really redeem himself with his switching around but I'd rather see Crrestfall lynched over him anyway.
on
Shos and possibly fobozzo are with me on maybe seeing consonants dead buuuut I don't think I can get enough support for his lynch.

I'll switch to RC later if that's the case

[Chocola]

Where the fuck is Dan again?

[Chocola]

Well my reads from yesterday pretty much still stand, Manju and Shadoweh fit pretty easily as scumbuds, consonants notsomuch but there's not much interaction to be had between a tunneler and the player who didn't read. Don't like how he reads consonants as hard town while questioning me, but BT did that too so ???

[Chocola]

Also, Shadoweh! Why are you so content to just stand there doing nothing? You've replaced in, and you haven't done much of anything. And your slot looked bad before, it's looking worse now. Put him as my second scum pick.

Funny how RC voted BT when Shadoweh was his secondary

[Chocola]

VOTE: ShadowehCoasting, Om shenanigans, see above

[Chocola]

Most of Om's shenanigans were "Him using meta to be lazy instead of scumhunting or defending himself". I would count the switchout too, but that's not actually a scumtell, just awful play.

Shadoweh hasn't exactly done much this game. At least Dan cemented his townread with that quicklynch.

[Chocola]

However I will totally sheep Dan's current lynch preference any day of the two weeks

[Chocola]

shos is a pretty obvious choice, considering he's confirmed town. There's nothing new to PoE with him gone. I suspect if we had a doc, Conq would have been protected anyway.

[Chocola]

I didn't read the last game pre-lynch but I picked up why Dan quicklyched up pretty easily after I did read it

Shadoweh, why do you think Manju is town?

[Chocola]

well then

[Chocola]

wait what the fuck just happened

[Chocola]

okay, so we're still on D2? okay, that's good, I guess.

This whole mess kind of makes me doubt Conq's townread for lining up lynches, tbh, but he still seems pretty hard town?
I don't actually know why we're not lynching Manju after all that. I guess BT is a sensible lynch, but I still have the feeling he'll flip town. Manju's antics are pretty wild tho.
UNVOTE: [/uvote]
VOTE: Manju
Currently more sensible then shadoweh in any case
Gonna be mad if Conq is scum

This is officially my second favorite MotK-related game for sheer :antics:

[Chocola]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Manju

nyo

[Chocola]

I'd rather get this game over with today so we won't even have to get to LYLO and I can stop having to worry about this game.
Waiting on Shadowmeh and th to check in.

And He Who Cannot Be Spelled also, I assume?

did either of them go V/LA recently?

[Chocola]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm inclined to believe that Working Manju isn't scum by virtue of Rylai Crestfall's actions. I mean, what with how Rylai Crestfall voted for him early and my thoughts that Rylai Crestfall's player wouldn't bus that early, it just seems unlikely to me.
I'd rather go for BT.
VOTE: BT

meta much?

Any reason for BT?

[Chocola]

BT has felt consistently more town throughout the game, so I would rather lynch Manju first.

[Chocola]

quick d2 iso of dan makes me think he tracked shadoweh

which means.... absolutely nothing

[Chocola]

I guess it could soft confirm shadoweh if that's what you're getting at

[Chocola]

Sense says I should lynch Manju now but gut says he wouldn't be trying to narrow my options with his PoE as scum with a town that has a large amount of townie towns I wouldn't otherwise lynch

Who do you think is scum Manju and why should I vote him over you

[Chocola]

What happened to "if I ever vote randomletters lynch me quick" mrfro

[Chocola]

TBH I'm kind of losing steam on my reads on before. P much anyone seems like they could be scum to me. Randomletters is coasting through the game at hand since D1 ended, Manju's semi-quicklynch of BT made him look rather bad, and frobozzo I've just be getting increasing amounts of :gut: on since D2.
Shadoweh hasn't really been grabbing my attention, though, so he's actually my best current read for the day?

[Chocola]

7. Chocola <-- Hates 2 week deadlines

I don't really hate the long deadlines, I just really like lampooning the effects they've had on the game (ie posting is a lot more stretched out time-wise, scum-hunting effort seems thinned out)

[Chocola]

nyooo~

nothing is happening...

i think I'll reread today

[Chocola]

I kind of got totally addicted to S.P.A.Z. in the last three days so that's probably why I haven't actually posted

brb DMing role playing games

[Chocola]

Okay I can only play SPAZ for so long in leiu of this before it gets ridiculous

Chocola: okay I was thinking you were super town on tone and generally knowing you but re-reading there's some weird shit here and there. Om has been a hard scum read for you all game, enough for you to vote him over the dude you were slapfighting with, then in #609 Shadoweh is suddenly your best read now that everybody's after me/mrfro/BT?? If you thought Shadoweh was maf then dropping the read and supporting the lined up lynches is pretty nonsensical for town. Going with whatever if idiot-town are going to lead you to victory seems in-character based on your previous experiences off-both-sites. Also you had a bunch of empty pressure on Rylai but never switched and started blaming me when I gave up on that lynch because nobody was voting with me. Are you the scums?

Okay, so... this.

All wrong...

First off I don't think Shadoweh is town by any stretch. My stance is that he's "the least scummy". I think I said that on this day phase, in fact. Om's D1 play is fantastically old, though, so it doesn't hold nearly as much weight this late in the game. Considering Shadoweh has more then half a day phase worth of posting depending on Om's scum read is pretty unreliable.
Second off I WAS going to switch to Rylai when he got lynched but I came back to the thread too late and he got lynched anyway. I fully intended to vote that.
I only "support" the lined up lynches here because they go pretty decently with my opinions on the other players. Manju has been acting pretty crazy this game, fobozzo is earning a lot of bad gut with his reactions and plans, and randomletters... well I don't think I need to clarify THAT.

[Chocola]

My gut's been working rather well this game and I trust it fully to know where my voting priorities lie. I'm going to ACTUALLY reread and decide where to put it.

[Chocola]

Honestly I could just put my vote on Manju right now for trying to turn the tables on his PoE problem with a wagon on me, though.

[Chocola]

Chocola seriously stop being a retard.

manju r u scum

Manju doesn't really redeem himself with his switching around but I'd rather see Crrestfall lynched over him anyway.
on
Shos and possibly fobozzo are with me on maybe seeing consonants dead buuuut I don't think I can get enough support for his lynch.

I'll switch to RC later if that's the case

Here's the proof I planned to switch to crestfall if you needed that, btw.

[Chocola]

Pretty much yeah my vote is going down on Manju. He's been getting bad vibes all game and I can't possibly ignore that. Lots of dumb moves only slightly redeemed by his case posts and townhunting. Quicklynch of BT bothers me quite a bit, as well as that whole ordeal with the vig fakeclaim. Posts have been mostly token questioning and not really that much effort seems put into finding scum.

VOTE: Manju

Question for randomletters: In the event Manju flips town, if it came down to me, you, and Conq, who would you vote?

[Chocola]

Shadoweh, you haven't had much of a presence, to be fair. Aside from the Tracker clear, you're not definite town in my view.

Om was a whiny brat and I'm starting to get the feeling he would have thrown a fit regardless of his alignment. The switchout was null tell and his meta stuff is mostly D1 shenanigans after this far in the game.

Dan was pretty much destined to get NK'd after he hammered Rylai with nary a word. He was obvtown and wasn't helping scum anti-PoE measures while alive.

If my retroactive vote on Rylai isn't worth anything then arguing I wasn't on it when I would have otherwise been had I gotten back sooner is WIFOM

[Chocola]

I wasn't exactly fond of the idea of switching off randomletters, either. You might recall I spent most of the entire day doing Wall Wars with him. Me dropping him on D1 was about as likely as the vice versa.

[Chocola]

Also I didn't expect the day to end abrubtly

[Chocola]

Manju has been acting pretty crazy this game, fobozzo is earning a lot of bad gut with his reactions and plans, and randomletters... well I don't think I need to clarify THAT.

Uh, thinking everyone is scum isn't really an opinion. Can you elaborate?

Question for randomletters: In the event Manju flips town, if it came down to me, you, and Conq, who would you vote?

What happened to Shadoweh in this scenario?

th, so what do you think of Manju then?

Shadoweh may as well be confirmed town in this scenario and I more or less expect him to die tonight. Whoever is the last scum will have a hard time convincing anyone to vote Shadoweh.

randomletters has been coasting through the game pretty hard since D1 and has had no presence. I'm also still annoyed over the pointless tunneling that he managed to go through the entirety of D1 with. Typical "lazy scum with a town read standing"
I mostly suspect Manju over his D2 posts, what with the weird gambit and the BT quicklynch. Also bad gut throughout the game. Although he was a major player in lynching Rylai his reasons for doing so were mostly "I don't like his posts for whatever reason"
Suspicion on Fobozzo is hard to rationalize, it's mostly a lot of bad gut that's been building since D2. You swore you'd never vote randomletters, you broke that. You made a plan to line up lynches, which I dislike.

[Chocola]

Question for randomletters: In the event Manju flips town, if it came down to me, you, and Conq, who would you vote?

Who the fuck is Conq?
You. And seconding mrfrobozzo in wondering where Shadoweh disappears to in all this.
Based on this I would vote Conq then. He's the only one that can win as scum in this situation.

[Chocola]

Let me try that again

Question for randomletters: In the event Manju flips town, if it came down to me, you, and Conq, who would you vote?

Who the fuck is Conq?
You. And seconding mrfrobozzo in wondering where Shadoweh disappears to in all this.

Based on this I would vote Conq then. He's the only one that can win as scum in this situation.

[Chocola]

*fobozzo whatever

[Chocola]

It's based on the perceived triangle of me voting fobozzo, fobozzo voting th, and th voting me.
If I don't budge off my planned vote and th doesn't budge off his, the only options are for one of us to unbudge or you to vote me.

Crazy logic I'm sure, but a fun exercise to test your reaction and find out where th stands.

I'm not complaining about you voting th, it's the fact that you went through and made the promise just to go back on it later. It really breaks trust here to make promises and not keep on them.

FYI your "suspicion" is "hard to rationalize" because it's baseless. Read my posts throughout this game and tell me with a serious face that I'm scum.

You seem mad. Why are you scum?

[Chocola]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mrfrobozzo

[Chocola]

If Shadoweh is alive by the next day (again, assuming there will be one) he's either clever scum / dan is bad at crumbing results or it's making my lynch choice much easier (assuming I'M alive for LYLO)

Manju lynch was based on my preferred lynch at the time.

[Chocola]

The shadoweh thing is still that while he may be confirmed town, I still think he needs more effort put down to finding the scum. He's basically not pulling the wright I would expect confirmed town (or any player really) to pull.
Shadwoeh is undeniably town and I've stated that in pretty much all my posts, but he needs to play like town instead of just being one.

I could understand your plight with the promise thing but the fact it it tarnishes your town standing with me. you could have probably brought it up.

But hold on a fucking second
I've been in this situation before

We're all fighting while th is sitting back and enjoying the show.
That's just wrong.

You see what I have to deal with here? I can't decide on who I want to vote because I just hate all of you right now. It makes me wishy-washy. It never ends. Stop being scum goddamn it
(Well it does once two weeks are over but not the point)

[Chocola]

EBWOP
Unfinished thoughts general:

I could understand your plight with the promise thing but the fact it it tarnishes your town standing with me. you could have probably brought it up. Actually you did give some good reasons to vote him so I guess it's not as bad?
It just makes me hung-up when people pull tricks like that, you know.

I reread the game when I voted Manju, I mostly used reading in ISO.

Gah, every time I look at this game my gut tells me to vote one way or another and it's driving me nuts

[Chocola]

When is this day going to end anyway

Manju needs to bloody post

[Chocola]

Shadwoeh is undeniably town and I've stated that in pretty much all my posts,

is this Historical Revisionism

"Tracker clear"
"guaranteed town"
"obvtown"

they all mean the same thing

[Chocola]

We still have till the weekend

bleh

[Chocola]

You know what? I've liked Conq for at least half the game
I haven't liked Manju this entire game
But I've liked randomletters EVEN LESS

[unvpte][/unvote]
VOTE: thejiogsglnksn

th is coasting through the game and not really scumhunting. The only major thing he's done is bitch about me, really.

[Chocola]

I'm not mad at Shadoweh, I'm mad at people who think my disliking of Shadoweh means anything in light of him being untouchable

[Chocola]

who didn't see

that

one coming?









(because i did)

I am NOT going to sit here on a psuedowagon with the two scummiest players here trying to vote me off.
If you want to lynch me over the player who has accomplished absolutely nothing this game then you might as well be the scum

And no I'm not going to only say that because that's what got my lynched last time I played Mafia.

After 60, yes, SIXTY posts of continuous tunneling on me, th has made NINE posts for the rest of this game. Let's go over them.

Th spent the entire first day soft defending Rylai Crestfall, before flat out just saying we shoudn't lynch him in #489


#586 is special for being LITERALLY HIS ONLY D2 POST. Without naming a single reason why BT might be scummy, he votes him for the sole reason that scum wouldn't bus so early.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


In #611 th finally drops me for appeasment, giving the weak reason that "he suddenly agrees with my posts". He continues to Not Scumhunt with his reasons of "Rylai not mentioning Om/Shadoweh in his posts" and "Because I can't read Shadoweh".


#615: "My secondary is Manju because [no reason given]. Also my reason for BT was :gut:."

The rest of his posts are basically waffling back to me before finally coming full circle and voting me again.

[Chocola]

EBWOP

#586 is special for being LITERALLY HIS ONLY D2 POST. Without naming a single reason why BT might be scummy, he votes him for the sole reason that Rylai wouldn't bus a Scum!Manju so early, and therefore BT must be scum.

[Chocola]

VOTE: thdgkdms
VOTE: thdgkdms
VOTE: thdgkdms
VOTE: thdgkdms
VOTE: thdgkdms

[Chocola]

I don't really want to push anything here but time's getting a bit short, considering the time between posts. Does anyone really have anything to say? I saw th lurking earlier and he apparently isn't content to defend himself since he didn't post, I think it' high time we bring down a hammer

[Chocola]

zzzzz

[Chocola]

how?

[Chocola]

that would have been nice to know beforehand

[Chocola]

So I have to choose between a player who somebody else thinks is soft-confirmed town...
and that player who stated that said first player is soft-confirmed town.

Manju, do you still think Shadoweh is town solely based on what Dan posted? I feel like I might have been over-reliant on that read to clear Shadoweh.

Additionally, Shadoweh, what are your thoughts between the two of us?

I don't think Scum!Manju would put himself in such an obvious PoE trap, to be fair, unless he thinks he has a fair chance to get a mislynch on me.

[Chocola]

Why me over him? Until now you haven't been the slightest amount suspicious of me.

[Chocola]

I didn't mean to imply I'd be the deciding vote here, but I do enjoy information to decide who I should place stock on for my LYLO vote when it comes around.
It's not like I'm in a situation where either of you could just as easily be scum from my POV.



(except it is)

[Chocola]

You being alive is way too convenient, I think. Considering Prims soft confirmed you, him being the scum is way too easy for me.

Why Me isn't bad if you previously had no reason to suspect me. Which is the case.

[Chocola]

Do you think Manju is town now, since you suddenly seem intent on voting me now over him?

[Chocola]

zzz

[Chocola]

I kind of DID ask you on your opinions on if you still think Shadoweh is town based on Dan's posting

[Chocola]

WELP

I'm just going to wait this one out then.
If Shadoweh is scum, she's free to lynch me.

Otherwise Manju is the scum.

[Chocola]

I flip flopped everywhere in the last day phase. When I started I was pretty sure of a Manju lynch but I kept trying to rationalize "what if x is scum" and it caused me to change

Eventually I just settled on a player I had spent the entire game fighting with who had coasted through most of the game.

If I were scum I would have totally shot Shadoweh, based on the belief I thought he was confirmed town.
Look at all the kills so far. They're super safe. Something I've mentioned every time I thought was a good, safe choice. Why would I turn around and try and pit two players who thought the other was pretty alright on the last day? It's suicide.

[Chocola]

He, she, you know the drill, I can't remember Shadoweh's gender for longer increments then sixty seconds

[Chocola]

Also I probably would have waffled less as scum, and gone straight for Manju last phase, leaving the incredibly easy "mislynch" of randomletters for today.

Just a thought.

[Chocola]

??? Chocola what even was this, it's a lot more of an endgame plan than anything I've posted. It's like he expected me to be an easier mislynch given the way he treated me following the fakevig.

Also I've had decently bad gut on you for most of the entire game. I only treated Conq worse following the fakevig.
Honestly if it had come down to you and Conq I would have had no fucking clue who to vote. But since it's you and Shadoweh... I have even less clue since I still expected her to die.

[Chocola]

Actually I guess I could give Shadoweh The Ultimate Choice by voting Manju back, if she's a townie, but I dunno.
Somehow I have the feeling I might be screwed either way =/

[Chocola]

if Shadoweh is scum I blame Manju for convincing me the tracker cleared her.

[Chocola]

ok dude. if you're town, why should i, from my point of view, be voting shadoweh over you right now?

Because I'm the towniest townie that ever did town?

I can't give you an answer to that, actually. Logically, I'm your best choice, seeing as you softcleared Shadoweh earlier in the day.
All I have to defend myself is my words and my role~

By the same train of logic, scum!you could just wait to see if town!Shadoweh had followed up by agreeing with you and voting me, thus losing the game for town. On the same token, I could argue to myself you unvoted me just now due to possible pressure if Shadoweh hadn't agreed and voted me.

Tonally, that unvote felt more town to me, whereas Shadoweh's posts today feel more aggressive, whereas yours just feel wary.

Tonally, Shadoweh seems more scummy right now.

EDIT: Oh, you revoted me.
Ughhhh, that makes things harder if I wanted to vote Shadoweh, since that just makes it a race for the scumplayer to quicklynch

[Chocola]

1 thing though chocola why did you spend the entire game justifying your vote on me with gut while not considering my interactions with rylai which were pretty town. i definitely know you've said that gut is a lame justification for a vote in some game somewhere before though idk if your outlook changed

To be honest, I'm not good at following interactions because I'm bad at mafia in that regard. I mostly base my gut off tone and my logic off of player actions.
just like I can't find power roles.

I can't really justify your interactions with Rylai as town or scum anyway because I could just as easily write it off as a D1 Bus Gambit. I know how those operate now, after all.

If it helps both your decisions you can see through my alts that I was here last night and could have hammered Chocola. :V
Gotta run to work now.

If you aren't going to outright hammer when you get the chance, at least post in the thread when it's relevant.
tldr posts or didn't happen

[Chocola]

I woke up to this? I wonder where I should start.

I guess i should start that there's the fact that Shadoweh wouldn't be stalling the game so uselessly if she was scum. That or she's toying with me, but :tinfoilhat:
both of you look like the scummiest, towniest scum to ever scum townily.

Anyways, why are you so hung up on D1 interactions, Manju? That's literally your only defense. D3 you attacked me because I was too busy battling my "rival" of sorts, randomletters, while voicing intent to vote Rylai if I couldn't manage a lynch on him.
By the end of D1, when I got on, it had been pretty obvious that a letters lynch was impossible.
Also the day had ended.

Now, you could imply scum intent that I didn't vote my theoretical "buddy", but that's bullshit because why would I so easily give up my position on the guy I spent 80 posts making stupid fucking text walls with to declare that he's scum and that all his points are wrong and just drop that for a secondary, if I had a chance to lynch my top pick?

Nothing that happened after my last D1 post is sensible as evidence that I'm scum because I simply wasn't there for it.

Not done yet

[Chocola]

Oh wait I missed an entire page where I died

Without having a chance to defend myself

gg

[Chocola]

Actually I enjoyed this game quite a lot, despite being a loss.

So well played, Manju. I knew you couldn't be town after all.

[Chocola]

dormio was just a jerk and bad in general in this game (or trolling). I don't know where you think I'm mistreating you, I'm only telling it how it is. I was playing the game. Don't know what the hell you were doing, but I was playing to win.
That means lynching people for scummy behavior, and that neon sign with the word "META" on it you place over your head isn't doing you any favors.

I am a decently well respected person in this community and I even have people that look up to me and ask me to hydra with them so I can teach them things.

Yeah no, get off your high horse if you want people to take you seriously. "BUT I'M IMPORTANT!" isn't going to make people like you any more, except maybe asskissing newbies. It just makes you look like a smug bastard.
I know exactly how it feels to be popular. I was "popular" on a forum once. I rose to the top among the members. Hell, I was liked more then the forum staff. The difference between you and me, however, is that I got popular by being competent and charismatic (not to mention active), and not by using my existing popularity as a crutch.
Respect only goes as far as people you know who trust you. With others who might not even know you, you have to earn that respect.

As for the other points (like the sub out), refer to what Prims said.

[Chocola]

I never asked to be liked by you, I just wanted some respect. Whether or not we hate each-other we can still show some respect to each-other. I never asked to be popular either.
Respect works both ways, you don't show respect people shouldn't show some to you either. I felt I was showing respect to you guys and I didn't feel I was getting any back.
I've had people request that I join games with them, and request that I replace in. These are people I would consider to be my friends on this forum, and clearly none of you guys would fit into that (except Dan and Conq).

I respect players who respect the game (by playing well)
You blatantly disregarded that by trying to railroad any criticism towards your meta, which is the wrong way to go about self-defense. Then when people called you out on bad play you cried fowl and subbed out, which garners even less respect.
Meta reliance is stupid in the first place, but it especially doesn't work when you're trying to apply your own meta to yourself.

I was taking the game as unseriously as possible the first half of D1 (read: any posts without proper grammar), especially towards randomletters because I know he was just screwing around with the raging stuff, but your play was just bad.

[Chocola]

It suddenly dawns on me this game took like two months to complete

[Chocola]

I don't actually read mafiascum so I wouldn't know about your meta usage

[Chocola]

The chart on my wiki page totally still applies
trufax

[Chocola]

That reminds me, the mod was p cool this game for putting up with all the non-native player bullshit (and even parodying it on the D1 Lynch poem)

[Chocola]

no shadoweh, you are the clowns

[Chocola]

om stop acting like you have superior mafiaing skills

#3 rule of Mafia: No player can claim to be better then any one group of players. You can only be bad at mafia, or average.

[Chocola]

I really need to focus on lynching you prims when my gut says you might be scum

it's usually right

[Chocola]

I think you're implying I shouldn't be cautious and through as town

[Chocola]

also there's the fact Shadoweh ended up quicklynching me anyway

[Chocola]

>implying I should trust the softclear handed to me by the scum

[Chocola]

wat?
I dun get it, you were implying Shadoweh as scum all over D2 as far as I could tell

I'm not good at picking up crumbs, mostly because I'm rusty as scum

[Chocola]

How do you me to catch something that subtle

[Chocola]

As in me, specifically

[Chocola]

*expect me