Micro 113: Think Twice - Game Over!

[Hiraki]

Vote: Phoenicks

this is actual probable scum

[Hiraki]

How is he probably scum?

He decided to just randomly vote without going back into the game.

Call it a small tell of just avoiding people so he doesn't get into bad interactions but it is a tell.

[Hiraki]

You're following protocol without understanding why you should or should not follow it.

Not sure if noob tell or scum tell atm. FuDuZn. Help.

[Hiraki]

I'm new to mafiascum. Not to mafia.

Doubtful.

especially since JW seems to be telling me the opposite.

Yes because silly=random. I remember when I could replace random for silly!

Isn't that how you get out of RVS?

Okay, so before I go into a horrible mess about how this post is horrible--let me ask you one thing. Let's get it all out on the table.

What was your initial point of voting Jason?

I mean #7 is really just enough for me to say w/e and just lynch him but considering that I completely doubt your newness to mafia I need more proof than that.

pre-edit:

I am not feeling all the hate on Phoenicks, I get pushing and prodding people but this already appears to be going in a circle.......a circle to nowhere(can a circle really go nowhere? But I digress....).

pussy

[Hiraki]

why want Phoenicks lynched based off post #7?

Because it's snarky and un-needed.

Furthermore, it addresses my problem with Phoenicks and Phoenicks decides to not give a single fuck toward it. That's crummy town behavior for an experienced player and somewhat of a fustrated tell for scum, no?

I was suspecting Jason in my mind for the last few posts but that vote confirms the town read.

I'd rather get Phoenicks today and then decide between FuDuzn/SDT tomorrow to be completely honest.

[Hiraki]

You can check my profile here yourself. I've finished one game.

And here, that is your only real experience. Knowing the way mafia works isn't enough to call yourself experienced. That's what a forum mafia game, that's not specified for mafia, displays.

I think that you're acting much snarkier than me.

Remember the rest of those words? Yeah, they had a bit more importance than the whole snarky part.

2) I prefer to vote players who haven't appeared yet.
3) I'd prefer not to create L-1 only four posts in.

I'm not getting into Mafia Theory but these are two pretty big noob tells with no alignment associated though I'm feeling more town than anything at the moment.

Regretting calling Jason super duper town due to his answers. Mostly numero uno.

However.

Unvote, Vote: FuDuzn

for being a pussy, pussy

[Hiraki]

oi this game should be over by the 30th

if it's not, i'm using my special ability to blow everyone up k thanks

[Hiraki]

Why are you trying to make town rush here?

Do you dare doubt my power?

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Appear now in this

Shadow

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Now, then, since my Winged Dragon of Ra is out on the field, I'll need to sacrifice all of my life points but 1 in order to give Ra 7999/7999

Attack/Defense

e-cock points!

With that, I can destroy any random person I want at any time! Fear me now!

On the 30th of January, I will use Ra's power to destroy every member of the game except myself! Only I shall win! Kekekeke!

So I am pussy because I didn't want a quicklynch? Explain if that is the reason or not, since you failed to explain last time I asked.

You are a pussy because you are a pussy. I am just antagonizing your reasonable actions with unreasonable insults. Stop looking at it so hard.

It was pretty much a well duh moment.

Because there is an actual advantage to with-hold a vote in a game where scum can easily misread themselves and step into vote. It's not a strong case by any means but if there was a scummer like Mastin.

X random votes Mastin, goes to sleep and loses internet connection for the next day.
Y votes Mastin (is scum)
Z votes Mastin (is stupid town)

Who do you think is going into the flames?

Not to mention, you asked him a question and ridiculed his answer when your question was based on the fact of voting.

It's like saying solve a theorem without using any proofs. You can't do it but you don't think twice in using proofs in order to solve a theorem.

why do I get the feeling you are trying to string up Hiraki and using his momentum against him?

FYI Jason, the only person who has successfully done this to me (considering that he argues the smallest minute details and gets the win by luck almost everytime [while flaunting his e-cock] is [was now?] MoI).

Townies can be random where scum can't.

Townies can do everything that scum can. The entire point of scumtells are finding things that scum are more inclined to do rather than always do. Scum can most definitely be random. If what you're saying is correct, then RVS is actually grudge-fest central for scum because they can't be random. Bad logic, really.

So that later if I want to vote Jason it has force.

Your vote really doesn't have any force. Sorry, it's the truth.

[Hiraki]

Because you basically said that your vote was there in spirit

but apparently now it's not?

Look--let's make this simple.

I want you to examine the game--take a day if needed.

Come back with reasoning on why you think someone should die. It can be very weak reasoning. We're in Page 2 of a probable 15 page game. However, we need something from you.

At this point, all I can remember, without reviewing, is that you have/had a random vote on Jason and you took it off because you don't want it on him, for some reason.

We need these reasons, Phoenicks.

[Hiraki]

Sorry but if Z fucks our game we heckle them straight afterwards, for being a freaking newb and ruining our game.

Considering that this is a micro game, there's more of a point where you should worry about Z screwing up now rather than later.

No one will care if Z screws up when there's a mislynch to be had but it makes all the difference when there isn't.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Siveure DtTrikyp

I'm glad you've actually been reading

two

pages worth of content. Seriously? That's all you had to say? Just vote me and hop away?

What should I be examining here?

You should be examining oddities that don't make sense.

Ex: Siveure calls me contradictory.

There's two things wrong here.

A) Siveure fails to cite anything that I've done that's actually scummy.

Like I said before, scumtells are inclination of someone to do something scummy rather than being the fact to the 100%. Here, Siveure DtTrikyp is calling quicklynching scummy. I mean--it's not always good but this is definitely something that used to be a 100% scumtell that has, unfortunately, been downgraded to a null tell (in my opinion)

Even if you don't agree with this, you can always head over to B.

B) "Okay, that's kinda contradictory."

"oh lulz he got hiraki pretty badly here, what the fuck could he do now but actually quote what he said and reveal that this a flat out lie"

It's not a strong case by any means

So, I guess I was supporting the weak case (did I mention that I called it weak and you still didn't get the point that yknow it's weak?)

Regretting calling Jason super duper town due to his answers. Mostly numero uno.

Do you think there was any reason why I said this?

kind of like because his answer he gave was a bit obnixious and considering that everything in page one (granted I haven't read anything more from Jason but was already getting bad vibes from him before his vote so I'm justifying myself, ha) was sincere?

[Hiraki]

I'm not really interested in arguing that for too much longer so I'll just drop it. I just got a bad gut reaction from it.

[Hiraki]

I'm glad you've actually been reading two pages worth of content. Seriously? That's all you had to say? Just vote me and hop away?

dont misrep me bitch

[Hiraki]

Really?

[Hiraki]

hammer dis dood

his cockiness does not sway me

[Hiraki]

The shrug was so that Post 43's ideas were invalidated.

[Hiraki]

It's completely serious. Someone hammer Siveure DtTrikyp. If anyone objects to killing Siveure, they should say so now.

[Hiraki]

Do you think that Sivuere is so likely scum that you'd be willing to take the risk that he becomes the clear to lead us in a second day LYLO?

I'm pretty sure he's scum or just a shit player.

[Hiraki]

Also hiraki that doesn't answer the question. Which is, are you willing to take the risk of me just being shit and being the clear guy? The clear guy should be leading the town and I'd just be lazing about not giving a crap.

If the objective of the game was finding the clear, then I wouldn't be accusing you of things. You can't just sit around now and pretend you're a badass for playing anti-town.

[Hiraki]

Do you think that Sivuere is so likely scum that you'd be willing to take the risk that he becomes the clear to lead us in a second day LYLO?

I'm pretty sure he's scum or just a shit player.

Why?

Because whenever he's done something it's been horrible and now he's just resorting to doing nothing. (How do you avoid showing bad play? You don't show any play at all.)

It's very easy evasive logic in order to get under the radar (which is a dumb move in a micro)

[Hiraki]

After a quick read through of the game today, my opinion of Hiraki has changed quite a bit. I don't like how he is full force going after severe dirt trip and trying to force someone to pull the trigger. But I really don't like how he is already setting up his defense of himself if dirt trip flips town, it almost seems as if he is laying the groundwork to back peddle a bit tomorrow(ie 'he is such a shit player I thought it was a scum read. My bad guys'). Hiraki for scum much moreso then dirt trip for scum, imo.

So far Siveure DtTrikyp's play is "lol" and "bad case, lol"

Both of these are utter shit and his last posts so far have shown no willingness to cooperate and/or play the game.

I'm not lynching him based on any chance he'd be scum.

I'm lynching him based on the idea that he's trying to derp onto a plausible LYLO.

Do you really want that to happen?

[Hiraki]

Derp onto a plausible LyLo? What? That makes no sense.

we lynch one townie

we lynch two townie

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, you seem to keep letting on that you know that severe dirt trip is town.

And even if you weren't privy to that info, why would you want someone you thought was town(even if you reasoning was that they were derp) gone in a 5 player game that would make it lylo?

I don't think SDT is town, so I don't know how you're getting this idea.

[Hiraki]

Phoenicks. New plan.

You're going to assess me and Siveure (just to make things simpler)

and you're going to raise a vote on one of us

and put a case on one of us

[Hiraki]

P.S.

See FuDuzn?

He would've

never dared

to vote me unless you did.

Kill him now.

[Hiraki]

Right--forgot you were the best mafia player in the world and that trying shit logic was a good thing in this game.

Really? You can't give reasons because then you'll be too obv. town? Give me a break.

And are you trying to attribute that second quote to me? Because it's fairly obvious that it's fake.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: And if you're trying to use that as an example of re-phrasing what I've said in some sort of hidden text, because that's what scum do, then you're completely misrepping me considering that you've already attributed a quote toward why you want to lynch me.

[Hiraki]

But why are we expected to know your meta?

This is what I was getting at.

I don't know your meta but by using your signature and your latest post, I can assume--no?

[Hiraki]

While I admire your growing analyzing skills, that's mainly to determine if the person is an asshole or not.

Using *shrug* is a pretty good indicator as well.

[Hiraki]

keep posting peeps

[Hiraki]

But seriously guys.

Me and Siveure have said enough.

[Hiraki]

Oi Siveure

I'll compromise with you for Jason, if you're willing to deal. Either of you would be a fine first lynch deal.

[Hiraki]

Deadline is in a few hours. Of fucking course I'm going to compromise.

[Hiraki]

You don't hammer without responses. You hammer after you find the answer inadequate.

[Hiraki]

Stalling? Maybe I don't have all of the time in the world to address every game I'm in within the course of a few hours.

That comment was just douchey. Not even noobie.

[Hiraki]

Offer is still on the table, Siv.

[Hiraki]

Deadline is in a few hours. Of fucking course I'm going to compromise.

This doesn't really apply anymore.

Considering that these two probably are going rabble even after I make my post later, the offer still stands.

[Hiraki]

I was in the middle of the post but it was basically a defense. I have nothing more to say except that my view is now kill Jason then Siv.

Pretty sure FuDuzn just had a bit of a doozy in Page 3.

My first points that Phoenicks brought up was that he wanted me to explain how he was a noob.

Let's just hope to god that he's town and not give a fuck if he's scum.

[Hiraki]

You've made this clear.

Yet, you're still not voting me.

k

It's a bit late now so I don't want to do this today but know that my second class tomorrow is a laptop friendly zone

so I'll do it then

[Hiraki]

I know Siv unvoted that was the point, i think Hiraki is scum

k

having a little trouble sleeping but I'm not going to go to sleep writing a wall

Considering this is like the second time you've probably said this

you

need

death

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Jason

i'm survivalistic bitch

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Btw, Jason is just about confirmed scum because he literally tried to line up me and Siv.

My Siv read is dying and I'm going to address the Phoe wall in the next post.

[Hiraki]

There's more like this but pretty sure you're either buddying to Jason or he's buddying to you.

Oh boy. So if Jason flips goon, I'm going to have to deal with you again tomorrow?

You kept antagonizing me even though it didn't move the conversation forward. FuDuzn was in the position of looking town for arguing against the cyclical discussion (while propogating it himself); you were in the position of moving it forward anyways. Both behaviors I'd label as scummy -- certainly anti-town.

If you're going to call a playstyle that gets angry at people for not examining stuff that's right there, then I'm not sure if you're realizing how much of the problem was you in this situation.

Since you're on the same wagon as Jason I'm assuming that this doesn't apply.

Not that you really explained why his answers changed your stance on him anyways.

There's a difference between his play between Pages 1-2 and these recent ones. It could be lack of thought. FuDuzn applies to this as well but the secondary difference between the two is that FuDuzn actually hasn't been posting elsewhere.

How did this reason become enough to lynch Siveure.

Er...? He didn't comment on anything in the previous pages and voted me on my sarcasm.

Vice-versa really.

Not sure what you're getting at.

You just invalidated your point above.

He never explained why this quick lynch was scummy. You can't just label something as "X" unless it's pretty obvious. If you do that, which Siv did, I'm sure he'd doubt the validity of his read.

Not like he did that in his next post or anything...

Yours does not sway me.

Okay? Thanks for the information? What's the point of this?

Nobody has any problems now with 'the noob' having the hammer.

I don't have much of a choice to take your vote away, no?

Most especially you, Hiraki, since me being a noob and needing to be lead was your reason for no longer calling me scum in the first place.

This looks more like an intently to begrudgingly hammer.

Everything seems like you don't care about being pro-town -- which is probably less-fair than saying that you don't care about anything, really.

Or I don't care what people think about me because my main objective is to find scum, not cover my ass.

Once you realize that looking for scumtells is the ultimate point of the game, regardless of alignment, is when your statement is correct. I don't care about what you think if it pertains to me unless it's false or illogical.

[Hiraki]

But I was pretty sure that the scum team was within Siv and Jason.

Thought FuDuzn would be a fine third choice but probably not needed.

FuDuzn y u be lurkin

[Hiraki]

On the 30th of January, I will use Ra's power to destroy every member of the game except myself! Only I shall win! Kekekeke!

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