Micro 121: SS9 (Game over!)

[Malakittens]

Ohai. (Catching up)

I had to laugh at the string of RVS. Was cute guys.

Wicked your post here.

When you called out Blueberry for confirming last, what did you exactly mean by it? There's different reasons for people to want to call out non-confirmed last.

Lincoln why did you take Wicked's post so seriously? I think it might have something to do with the language barrier. Forgot if it was you or Levi that English wasn't a first language.

I have to say I dislike KMD's post here.
Mainly due to the Lincoln case. After I'm finished with this post I need to go review Lincoln's scum games. I know the one that I remember by him feels slightly different.

Also about the plan. I actually encourage that considering how many scum we have to town. It gives the town a slightly better chance to win.

Lincoln .. Don't self-vote...

Blueberry - that is a stupid reason to put someone at L-1. >.> (joke or no joke)

Lincoln - Mind explaining what you got out of analyzing RVS?

Wisdom - Why is coming up with a plan ahead of time scummy?

Also, how did you know that Lincoln's language wasn't english? Have you played in a previous game with him? If so, link please.

... CD is probably town. That fake hammer thing is usually done by town for reactions.

There's something off about Wisdom. Let me see if I can pin point it... (Scumgutradar is killing me)

Blueberry has a point with that whole self-vote...

Also, letting us know that you have a plan is bad because you might not have let out specific details of the plan, but letting us know the plan exists destroys any type of trap you had brewing. - Congrats on that - btw.

@ Huntress. Don't complain <3 (I forgot that you were playing - I need to get a read on you ASAP)

Really Slimer ... You barely respond to anything happening, but super quick to put Lincoln back at L-1. >.>

[Malakittens]

Basically, whenever I vote people for confirming last it's to go for reactions so I wanted to see if you went for an opening reaction test rather than just doing it because he didn't confirm or what not.

[Malakittens]

Hmm. I like the last post by Huntress.

[Malakittens]

How does one post = a reason to vote me? Just because you don't feel the need that there was a reason to say it doesn't mean there wasn't actually an actual reason to say it.

[Malakittens]

If you thought Wisdom is town, then why did it take you so long to get off his wagon? What changed your mind about him?

Right, okay, I'm starting to actually wonder if you are voting people because you feel they are scum or you are just voting because you need to just "switch".

Okay.. So what was your read on me

before

that post?

[Malakittens]

What. Reading Slimers posts was ...

He's defending himself, but Lincoln from Wisdom. Also next time if you are going to use a long quote can you put it in a spoiler or the post number with a link. It made the post seem longer than it actually was.

[Malakittens]

Uh. So Wisdom asks you a question and you dash off. Interesting. Reminds me of when I asked him a question during last game and got him to replace out. >.>

[Malakittens]

No. Just a comment I find similar to last game. There's a difference because that game was different - he was an IC - this game there's no confirmed town. I haven't read up on Slimers other games. In fact I need to read up on most people's games, but one person.

[Malakittens]

I would think scum would take the most traction to the plan. Since it forces them into a defensive rather offensive mode. It corners them. >.>

Also: I'm not reading Slimers posts as comical. Maybe it's because I'm tired, but the only thing I saw semi funny well more or less zero meaning was the cat game comment.

[Malakittens]

What the hell Wisdom? Please, please tell me how you are trying to link Slimer-KMD-I together without a flip, go on. Amaze me.

[Malakittens]

I would think scum would take the most traction to the plan. Since it forces them into a defensive rather offensive mode. It corners them. >.>

So, who you think the most traction to the plan? Because I think it is me.

I think they will more offensive than defensive, because they must make a case, vote townie, and look other townie to become hammer. Why you think they will more defensive? Because I don't see why it corners them.

Yes so far it's you with the most traction. Wisdom is next in line because he was defensive that KMD had a plan done before the game started.

To the plan? No. I have already done the math for this game. Unless I accidentally mixed up defensively/offensively in terms. The scum essentially needs to vote a townie have another townie follow then have either another townie hammer for a win.

Only bad thing I do see about KMD's plan which could in the future hurt is accidentally mistake a scum member not wanting to hammer for a town member. I wouldn't be so quick to want to lynch someone who refuses to hammer.

I have to do more research on this setup to see how the town is more likely to win.

[Malakittens]

Ugh phone messed up quote tags. v.v

[Malakittens]

So Slimer because you don't like a question you are just not going to answer it?

Nicest way possible, but how old are you?

[Malakittens]

Pssssssst. Huntress what is your read on me.

[Malakittens]

Pssssssst. Huntress what is your read on me.

Null read so far but IGMEOY!

You don't even want me to tell you how long it took me to get 'IGMEOY'(I got it now, but still).. I now have a semi funny story to tell you in a PM once we end this game. I want to thank you for that. >.>

[Malakittens]

Uh, both are linked together. To see how a town wins you need to see how mafia plays and vice versa. Just like how I did research in another setup to see how SK plays in order to vig them correctly after I vigged mafia. >.>

[Malakittens]

How did we just call Super Saint to Super Saiyan? xD

[Malakittens]

I will get a post down sometime Friday.

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Lincolm?

Why isn't 1 for 1 a bad trade? Why are you pissed off? It's not like you were pushing for a Slimer lynch anyways. The only person pushing for his lynch was Wisdom.

[Malakittens]

I'm not really sure about Lincolm, but I have to go look at both Kmd and Huntress.

I also need to breeze though all the VC's and do some analysis. >.>

... I also need sleep. Why did I sign up for a stupid morning class on a Friday, why.

[Malakittens]

Dude, move on. He won't be back til post game. Please tell me how you would have changed that outcome when you weren't around when the hammer took place.

Though I'm not sure if scum would keep harping on these deaths..

So yeah, I need to read. Considering I was absent ..

[Malakittens]

The fact you BOTH are reading too much into that, tbh.

Most players besides Lincolm were okay with that hammer plan because it was on the benefit of town rather than scum because town could control the way the hammer goes down.

[Malakittens]

So like I feel that CD and Licolm are town. Licolm is really PoE due to how Slimer putting him at L-1 w/o reading the thread. Cd is due to the hammer and reaction thing which I feel he does more as town or it comes from town more than often.

So that gives me a narrowed list of {KMD, Huntress, Blueberry}
I feel like I'm *okay* at reading Huntress. Her second/third post to me is very close to the way she writes when she's town. I do know how she plays as scum, but chances are that way might be out dated, but I would have gotten the gut feels out of her already - which I haven't.

Going to take this road and see where it leads me.

vote: blueberry

[Malakittens]

Why are your reads opposite of mine ...

... Damn it.

(Huntress is town.)

I honestly believe there was scum on Wisdom's wagon besides Slimer. Which basically leaves Wicked or Blueberry. I had you on there, but your last post is definitely town.

I have witnessed town CD - twice. What he did regarding his vote was similar to what he did when I was scum in another micro. He voted, but didn't really push for the lynch. Also the L-1 / hammer test is something that I see as town rather than scum. It helps gather reads.

I need to probably stop posting until I'm home and reading this in detail over again. Wicked had very little interactions with Slimer. KMD defended Slimer by calling him new.

[Malakittens]

I think you are overdoing it with this emotion thing. If you didn't want Wisdom lynched you should have presented a case on someone you thought was scum. I'm starting to seriously think you are now faking it.

[Malakittens]

You didn't get noticed because your vote wasn't on Slimer. Your vote IS your voice. If you don't use both tools - you can't whine when you don't succeed.

[Malakittens]

@linky link:

Once a lovely plan
tTime will make stumps of us all
This tree is no more

Wis: my partners are Lincolm and Kmd, get it right

Blueberry: D:

This is what gives me the most pause about Lincolm and/or KMD being scum. When you are scum you are not allowed to claim scum and then give your partners name out...

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@Lincolm:

You are going to have to trust me on the Huntress town read. I have played a lot of games with her and I know her style. I used to be pretty horrible in the past on reading her, but pretty lately I been accurate.

[Malakittens]

I actually already commented on it. I do not see it as a slip because there's two ways you can look at it.

Exhibit A:

KMD's proposed plan.
More easily to read to not have to go back:

Oh, and I had an idea for this game once it gets rolling:
maybe with all votes, put in parenthesis who you think should be killed if the lynch is on a supersaint. We basically have two chances to lynch scum each day. the lynch target could be scum. If not, they could kill scum. If we effectively have a second lynch count, we can control both chances by consensus.

Exhibit B:

If I selfvote, will you hammer me?

In a heartbeat

VOTE: Wisdom

do it

Shit, called my bluff xD

No need in wasting a kill though. This was apart of our plan anyway.
Gg

Vote: Wisdom[/vote]

See you guys in the aftergame

I think Exhibit B is more likely. As I stated previously I feel as if everyone IS reading too much into it. Clearly it's taken out of content to attempt to build a terribad case on another player. Which is why I am voting Blueberry for twisting/misrepping. I feel both are considered scum traits rather than town. I do know town will accidentally misrep, but to me this isn't an accidental misrep.

Clearly if you read Page 12 you can see where Slimer's post isn't an actual slip. He's only talking to Wisdom. Wisdom and him had a deal that if he self-voted that Slimer would hammer.

[Malakittens]

He was bluffing. Then he got caught which immediately forced him to hammer because he was going to get lynched anyways because he was caught. Him and Wisdom made a deal that if Wisdom self-voted that Slimer would hammer.

Our plan because it WAS the deal with between Slimer and Wisdom at the time.

I don't see "our" plan as scum plan.

[Malakittens]

If you think Blueberry and KMD is scum. Then you will have no trouble with allowing Blueberry to hammer you.

[Malakittens]

CD:

The reason why I believe scum are located on Wisdom's wagon is due to math. As I have a town read on Huntress.. So this leaves Wicked and Blueberry. Wicked barely had interactions with Slimer.

Plus Wicked's last post states that he thinks that the mafia is Huntress and Blueberry.
He doesn't explain this, but plans to. So I will be more than willing to wait for an explanation.

[Malakittens]

So, I would kinda like to have Wicked or KMD hammer Blueberry if the chance arises. More Wicked rather than KMD, but I'll settle for KMD hammer too.

Wicked is a null read to me. I believe BB is scum. I also been reading through Wisdom's posts for some awesome inside wisdom.(Yeah I make really corny puns when drunk).

I still believe Lincoln is town - just the way that Slimer put him at L-1 without reading the thread.
I still have my nice town read on CD.
Huntress I like sitting as a town read for now.

[Malakittens]

No. Unvote. I want a Wicked post.

[Malakittens]

Hell, hell, hell.

Lincolm stop. We are not going to end this day fast without talking about it. This is LyLo. We lynch wrong and we will lose. We lynch right and we have a chance at winning.

My thought on scum-BB was totally wrong. I really wish KMD didn't hammer and allowed someone else to do it. He was looking townish from the start.

Wicked and Huntress were both on Wisdom's wagon. Wicked was on BB's wagon.

I wonder if Huntress is scum. Reason why I kept calling her town was because I have a reaction test and I used it. She passed it so I called her town for that. Now I'm questioning it.

Idk why, but I feel it's wicked and I'm not really sure who the other scum is.

[Malakittens]

Wicked I also find it odd that you are calling Huntress out for sliding under the radar when the difference of your posts are 1 number. Your posts do have the higher content, but that doesn't make you town. You have zero, zero interactions with Slimer. That can easily be excused by saying you have been busy. That to me isn't an excuse that should be allowed.

[Malakittens]

This is why I hate quick lynches. I don't see why KMD was so eager to hammer and not let someone else. Only person who didn't want to follow his plan was Lincolm, but right now I wish the plan was followed because we could have taken the scum down rather than just killing off two townies - one who was kinda town throughout the whole game.

[Malakittens]

So yah Lincolm unvote. We are treating this like a normal LyLo.

Do me a favor, next post everyone list their highest scum read to their highest town read in order to living players.

If you guys want we can popcorn this, but idc.. I want it done >.>

[Malakittens]

No. I used it in another game when I was town afterwards. It helped me commonly narrow the field and helped with a win. When I find something that works; I'll use it. I adopt things that helps improve at certain alignments.

Though considering you kinda know where it stem from others can go there and destroy the results. So guess it might be considered null. I was kids hoping you'd be quiet so it could give results rather than destroying it.

I was wrong.

[Malakittens]

Kinda* not kids.

[Malakittens]

We can't no lynch. A no lynch would do nothing. It's night less and there's no NK. A NL would probably result in a draw.

There's two scum left and we would need to get them to actually hammer you for the town to win. If we mistaken get the wrong hammer we lose. I'm not really good with just lynching you to hope for a 50% shot we guess right with the correct hammerer. I rather us lynch someone we think is scummy rather than following KMD's plan.

[Malakittens]

If we just lynch scum we narrow the field without losing town. If we follow the plan we take 1 for 1 out. I rather not lose the extra townie; 1:3 is better than 1:2.

Fuck it not going to edit this train of thought. Now looking at the numbers out of class 1:1 might be better than going directly for the scum.

My preference is to have Wicked hammer because he has the least interactions with Slimer.

[Malakittens]

I wonder if Huntress is scum. Reason why I kept calling her town was because I have a reaction test and I used it. She passed it so I called her town for that. Now I'm questioning it.

Can you explain what this was?

Wicked I also find it odd that you are calling Huntress out for sliding under the radar when the difference of your posts are 1 number.

Um... I clearly stated that my 'flying under the radar' point was irrelevant of activity (bolded below). Did you even read everything I said? Look here;

I believe Huntress is trying to fly under the radar (or at least she reminds me of many utr scum I've caught in the past).

I'm not attributing this to her inactivity- regardless of allignment she's probably posting almost as much as she can.

But IIRC she only called out Wisdom as mafia on day 1 and even that suspicion seemed largely based on my reasoning- as if she wanted to avoid getting into too many arguments.

The underlined portion of the post explains my 'fly under the radar' point. It does not apply to me; I called out both Wisdom and Blueberry and justified those suspicions with my own reasoning.

Your posts do have the higher content, but that doesn't make you town.

What is the point/relevance of this comment?

You have zero, zero interactions with Slimer. That can easily be excused by saying you have been busy. That to me isn't an excuse that should be allowed.

Your point that I have zero interactions with Slimer is false. I at least asked Slimer a few questions, thus demonstrating interest in determining his allignment. Huntress said she was "looking at" Slimer in one of her posts but never asked him any questions or made any other comments about him. There's a big difference. How the hell can you say that Huntress has had more interaction? And are you saying you think my inactivity was alignment motivated? (Please tell me you're not saying that)

@Cheery Dog and Lincolm- Why do you think I'm mafia?


More later... I still think Huntress is mafia, but I'm not yet sure about who her scumbuddy could be yet. I don't understand what in my case hasn't convinced people- I think I brought up some good points. I'm thinking Mala is the partner, but I need to reread.

1. No, not really, but I can try like hell to explain it. I just know how she plays as town more than she does as scum. Her posts this game have all her qualities of her town posts rather than the qualities of her scum post qualities. I only slightly got thrown off when Wisdom flipped town, but Slimer flipped scum. So I posted this. She reacts to it as scum, but totally ignores when she's town.

2. Yeah, I didn't read your section on scum-Huntress. I skimmed it. I had a solid townread on her from that reaction test that I wasn't convinced she was scum. I'm still not convinced, but I'm taking caution.

3. I have seen scum make high level quality post that you are making while being fairly inactive. I have also seen town do the same exact thing. So for that reason the content amount does not make you town in my eyes, but doesn't make you scum either.

4. You asked him two questions.. Well really only one in my opinion(I'll explain further on). One of which was reads and I have seen scum ask scum-partners for reads in the thread while having daytalk. The next 'question' you asked him was hardly relevant. It was asking him whether or not he read the thread or didn't read the thread.

So you might have been trying to demonstrate interest, but you didn't follow it up. In fact to me you showed NO interest in trying to determine his alignment, but attempted to maybe - idk, distance yourself from him?

Okay you have a point about Huntress, but she has experience with being scum enough where she knows what to do when she plays that alignment, but she has a great deal when she's town also. She had no interactions with him, but I believe my reaction test in which I have used outranks anything else that could suggest otherwise.

Not sure why you inactivity is like it is and honestly I don't really care. The point is that you look like a possible Slimer partner and now I'm just starting to question you regarding it.

[Malakittens]

This game means we don't even get any confirmed town from not lynching, the previous days both ended to fast, and I don't know why we were all so eager to lynch people.

I'm thinking wicked for idk what reason atm, but stupid quick lynches

You say this and then vote huntress. So you are eager along with Lincolm to cast votes this day, but seems as if you are eager to possibly end this day too.

[Malakittens]

@Huntress: CD already destroyed what I was going to do with those results. So they are useless for me now. What bothers me a bit about doing that is it throws scum off guard the two games I seen it used, but he destroyed rather than keeping it quiet. Only problem is that he brought it up as a valid caution because it was used in a scum game of mine.

So I'm kinda torn between the motive of why he destroyed it. >.>

[Malakittens]

Post to come soonish. Work is really busy due to snow "prepping".

[Malakittens]

This game really has stalled..

Thanks now I'm starting to question my reads at least on Huntress. I would imagine town-Huntress trying to talk me into working with her which she hasn't. I mean I guess I haven't tried getting her to work with me either so blech, I must be scum too in my own mindset here.

I really do have this feeling Lincolm is town, but then again questioning that because Lincolm or Huntress haven't had any votes on them. So not really sure due to the super saint mech if that means - scum doesn't want to hammer. I would think scum would either lead a wagon or be a second vote on the wagon. None of which currently has happened.

[Malakittens]

Yeah you really shouldn't be awake. :p

I mean - I would have thought there would be more than one vote on either of you rather than the singletons.

See though the thing that gives me the most doubt on you is how you are still going after CD and Lincolm. I have known you to play like this as both alignments. The rereading in of itself is null, but I still think town-you would reread more than scum-you.

Yeah I noticed something on the mechanics that after I made my comment he started using that argument.

Question though. Rereading Lincolm's posts how do you feel about him harping on wisdoms death? At first I thought he was being genuine, but then he kept going on and on which was bothersome.

[Malakittens]

Why when I wanted people to list it no one was interested, but now all of a sudden you are. CD shot me down super fast.

Everyone might kill me, but I still believe huntress is town. I'm going to cling onto that. Honestly at this moment I have no clue who the scum team is. I'm double guessing all my town reads on Lincolm and CD. -_-

Only thing unless Lincolm knew he was going down and Slimer bussed him. Which possibly could have happened. Ugh now I really need to reread players' meta. Only scum game of Licolm I saw was his first game. I have only saw CD as town. I have never witnessed any game of Wicked. I want to see if Slimer does bus. Then my next post will reflect my possible scum team thought.

I'm so glad I have a snow day and no work - I can actually reread.

[Malakittens]

You know CD. Explain to me why you either have a town read on me or a null-leaning town on me?

[Malakittens]

Alright, thanks for the links. Just makes me having to sort through things a bit easier. I would cut these quotes into pieces, but if I screw one up; I'm likely to get irritated because I'm half asleep(so numbers it is!).

Why when I wanted people to list it no one was interested, but now all of a sudden you are. CD shot me down super fast.

I acknowledged your request and I in no way shot it down. Ftr, I don't think CD shot it down either. Only reason I'm re-asking the question is because now a week has been spent with the focus on JUST the five of us. I was curious what had changed or been decided since you asked. We're getting to the point where we need to start making a decision.

I have never witnessed any game of Wicked.

Yeah I haven't played on the site a whole lot recently (I think I've played one game in the last year and a half). If you're curious, here are imo four games that exemplify my playstyle pretty well-
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=22984- town (in a hydra as Masnev, but I made most of the posts)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18160- mafia (i replaced in)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18412- town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=13499- mafia (three years ago, but a fairly good representation imo)

See though the thing that gives me the most doubt on you is how you are still going after CD and Lincolm. I have known you to play like this as both alignments. The rereading in of itself is null, but I still think town-you would reread more than scum-you.

I'm going after them because they're my top scum-reads. I certainly haven't been looking at them exclusively.

I have issue with this quote. Malakittens expresses doubt of you for going after CD and Lincolm. Yet you're more concerned about the suspicion rather than convincing Malakittens that you're reads are correct. Scummy.

1. To me CD shot it down. Though I'll semi admit that he shot it down for a good reason. I will also admit that I may have just gotten lucky in the LyLo situation that I picked because depending on which players I picked I would have probably lost that game. I still have reason to believe that what I was going to do is a good thing. It helped me in another game and I don't see how CD saying 'Well if I was alive maybe it would have been a different outcome'.

Curious as to what changed? Reason why I didn't go through with the 'experiment'. Yeah I was going to use it to help me and get a little closer to figuring out who the scum team was. I felt as if CD destroyed it because he was talking about it happening while I was being scum. I have only played one scum game with CD so to me the whole thing was destroyed as soon as CD said it.

2. Thanks I'll look through it.

3. Not sure how to put this without it looking terribad. It's going to come off as a chainsaw defense...
She knows where my doubt it coming from. She knows the exact spot. I have known her to play where she is very single-minded as both alignments. It's a bit different when she's (scum) though because she'll go after one person until they are basically dead without looking at others. She's trying to reassure me that she's not doing what I believe she's doing.

@Wicked's reply to 448.

Well, I'm town. Still not sure about you
Honestly, I haven't really looked at CD much. By trusting my own gut, reaction tests and meta on Huntress - I have to say I believe she's more town than she is scum.

[Malakittens]

Also CD:

You stated my posts between 406-412 seemed town. I didn't have a post 406, but I had a post 405.

In my post 405 you seemed to 'shoot down' what I wanted to do with the reads list in which I replied to you in 407. So what seemed town to you about those posts? I don't know why, but if you really thought my logic was town, then why did you interfere? You knew exactly what I was doing, but you totally commented on the possible game where it was located which destroyed results.

[Malakittens]

Or, maybe not.

Hold up.

Vote: Lincolm

Maybe that will give you some incentive.

[Malakittens]

Well. This is so fun. Stalled to where there are barely any posts coming through.

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You know I voted you to see if I could get any type of post out of you since you kept either being prodded or promising content that hasn't come.

There were some analysis you stated you did, but never actually posted results.

You kept saying that, but if you were town.. I would think you wouldn't give up like this and actually try and contribute your thoughts on who you actually think is scum rather than just sitting there with your idled vote on yourself. You are not even attempting to push or even go after any of your scum reads. You are lying back and this is LyLo. I'm sorry to say, but you at this point remind me of scum-me during a LyLo where I prod dodge everything and only post to make it look like I'm contributing when I really am being passive and hoping people each other so I could hammer for wins. Though this could be applied to other players too.

[Malakittens]

... Yet you are doing nothing to interact with players to help try and get them to post in order to get a clearer read.

[Malakittens]

I'll answer Wicked in just a minute or two.

[Malakittens]

1. To me CD shot it down. Though I'll semi admit that he shot it down for a good reason. I will also admit that I may have just gotten lucky in the LyLo situation that I picked because depending on which players I picked I would have probably lost that game. I still have reason to believe that what I was going to do is a good thing. It helped me in another game and I don't see how CD saying 'Well if I was alive maybe it would have been a different outcome'.

2. Curious as to what changed? Reason why I didn't go through with the 'experiment'. Yeah I was going to use it to help me and get a little closer to figuring out who the scum team was. I felt as if CD destroyed it because he was talking about it happening while I was being scum. I have only played one scum game with CD so to me the whole thing was destroyed as soon as CD said it.

3. Not sure how to put this without it looking terribad. It's going to come off as a chainsaw defense...
She knows where my doubt it coming from. She knows the exact spot. I have known her to play where she is very single-minded as both alignments. It's a bit different when she's (scum) though because she'll go after one person until they are basically dead without looking at others. She's trying to reassure me that she's not doing what I believe she's doing.

1. It seems as if I might not entirely understand the situation. What did you mean when you said Cheery Dog "shot it down"?
2. I was curious if anyone's reads had changed. We are nearing the end of day 3, so I also wanted everyone to establish their reads as a step towards making a final decision.
3. Can you go into any more detail? Was my assumption wrong?

1. Here's the game in question. Here's what she did with the results of 'popcorn lynching'. I did it here, but with less text and also Wisdom managed to booch my results. Not because he figured it out, but because he was busing his partner.

When I mean shot it down. He expressed 'worry' while clearly stating where the game possibly was. Since CD and I only have played two games together and I have only been scum in one of those games. It's not too hard for the scum here to find the link before posing thoughts which would destroy the results.

I would have been a lot more satisfied if he expressed the concern after everyone commented.

2. Understand.

3. Not really since besides this game we have played one MS game together. (Actually two, but the first game the Day was super fast and then the game was.. well over.) We play on another forum together, but I don't think it's right for me to explain it more because it's essentially outing us both and I don't think that's my call to do it. (You know this reaction test makes sense in my head, but doesn't mean anyone else remotely understands it.)

I have issue with this quote. Malakittens expresses doubt of you for going after CD and Lincolm. Yet you're more concerned about the suspicion rather than convincing Malakittens that you're reads are correct. Scummy.

Was your assumption wrong here? Yes at least to me it is. If I had any doubt on a player who aren't my highest scum reads that they could possibly be scum - I wouldn't try and convince someone that my reads are correct when they might not be.

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Ugh at the special hammering mech. This type of LyLo makes everyone hesitant to want to hammer someone without being convinced they are scum - regardless of alignment.

[Malakittens]

Also CD the only problem about adding the useless information in brackets it makes anything look off and gives a possible good reason for scum and even town to want to jump on you for it. Especially a town(aka my team).

[Malakittens]

Unvote:

Bed time noa.

[Malakittens]

Just a reminder (Yes, I prefer see my enemies PM roles, not mine):

You win when there are at least as many mafia members alive as there are town members

Wicked. Why did you emphasize on CD's weird wording, but you didn't when Lincolm keeps emphasizing on how he's town and is reading scum PM's. He's said this quite a bit so far.

Both players have said things that stick out, but you are only commenting on one out of the two?

(Okay, really now. It's bed time)

[Malakittens]

Yeah. Huntress I'm not really seeing Lincolm willing to lynch his highest town read. I don't mind hammering, but I rather have Lincolm do it since he was okay with being the lynch target so he should be okay with being the hammer.

[Malakittens]

Just finished dinner. yeah I'm now around.

[Malakittens]

Why do I have a feeling that CD did that on purpose at the fact I'm already torn between Wicked being scum and CD being scum, but thinking they aren't scum together ...

[Malakittens]

... So basically can I either break the tie or leave the tie and I'm not 100% certain who is killed, but I believe it's Wicked/CD?..

[Malakittens]

-___-, brilliant.

[Malakittens]

Yeah you moving it 45 mins til the deadline while I was sleeping was not the smartest move.

[Malakittens]

Vote: CD

[Malakittens]

<.<

So. I made the wrong mistake, didn't I? ..

[Malakittens]

Yeah I'm pretty sure myself that the vote was late because I couldn't freaken decide to leave it how it was or not.

[Malakittens]

Correct. So it's probably being counted.

[Malakittens]

Well, now we wait for the mod.

If it's counted the scum team = Wicked, Huntress. (that's if CD is scum. By the way CD just said what he said he sounds possibly town and I just died for real)

[Malakittens]

I don't even right now.

In so many ways more than one..

Time to choose between Lincolm or Wicked. I have to see if Huntress was more likely to bus or just distance her partner.

[Malakittens]

I would just like to say that all my interactions with Huntress look so, so bad. >.>

[Malakittens]

Alright, just asking a favor from both Wicked and Lincolm. DO NOT VOTE until I have had a chance to look at everything. I have Wednesday morning off before work. I'll have time to thoroughly inspect everything once I get home from classes Tuesday (depending on how tired I am).

The things I'm skimming through Vote Counts.. It look really bad for Wicked due to Slimer's comment of 'the plan'. When I say this Wicked, Huntress and Slimer we all on Wisdom's wagon early Day 1.

[Malakittens]

Lincolm...

You idled your vote on yourself for the longest the time and then when you finally switched your vote is was less than a day until the deadline. Which drew CD's hand into voting for Wicked.

I also would love to know why huntress / Wicked was not a probable possibility. I know you said because of the distancing, but wouldn't you think they would do that?

Do you still think its me or do you think wickeds a factor for being huntress partner?

[Malakittens]

Also I don't see why you are waiting for others to post before posting your own thoughts.

So what did you find that was interesting?..

[Malakittens]

Actually, no. I really did think that vote was going to be counted and right after I voted the minute that Huntress said "These last minute lynches are bad for my heart rate!" .. I knew I made the wrong decision with the vote and that CD was most likely town and I was just killed which ended the game. The site besides this one that I do play on used to count seconds and minutes. Anything after xx:00:00 wouldn't have been counted due to deadlines rules, but here we do not have the seconds. So there was a chance that the vote I made on CD could have been counted and there's a chance it wouldn't have. As I stated it depends on the mod in which case he didn't count. The fact you are trying to paint that against me is worrisome.

As for me I was doubting my town-read on Huntress, but couldn't figure out why exactly. Because of this I was willing to allow her to get killed last Day phrase with a plurality lynch. When CD then tied the votes 45 minutes before the deadline - it struck me back after I quickly started to reread everything. As you already know - during this day phrase I was already leaning at Wicked being scum along with CD. So I started to wonder if Huntress was right all along and it was a CD/Lincolm scum team only because you changed your vote less than a day before the deadline and so did CD. Which felt like a last minute ditch to save scum CD if I were to vote him. This felt to me that Wicked and Huntress were town, but I was still not entirely sure.

Again as I said before - it's been twice now you are playing the card of "well I thought CD and Wisdom" were town, but you didn't go into any great attempts to save them or even push a lynch on another player.

Also the fact you eliminated Huntress/Wicked from your pairing was "Uh". Scum do have daytalk ; the fact you eliminated it so fast... First scum game that I played here - I was under fire during most of the entire game, but we did not have day-talk we had night talk. My partner told me he was going to go after me throughout the entire days to try and get some FoI. I could see Wicked doing the same to Huntress and Huntress doing the same to Wicked.

As for my un-vote on you. I was voting you mainly for pressure rather than finding you suspicious. The fact you were barely posting content and prod dodging reminded me of me when I'm scum. I voted you so that you had pressure so you could actually provide something decent so I could figure out what your motives were at the time.

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Now as I said it's been a while since I played with a scum-Huntress last and my meta on her was probably outdated, but there was things that I have known her to do more as scum then as town. The going after certain targets Day after Day as one of those scum-characteristics. Recently I have seen her do this as town so I wasn't sure which alignment she was doing this as.

Anyways, the most recent one was around May of 24th of 2012, but I replaced halfway in. I knew some of her tells, but there was others I did not. The last recent scum game of her's here was around Oct 13, 2012, but she replaced into that one in early Day 3 so I didn't think it was so reliable to go on.

[Malakittens]

Here is the MS games I'm referring while trying to get a read on her.

Scum game.

Town game where she displayed similar characteristics to the meta I have known her to play as (scum).

[Malakittens]

Hmm. One full game here - 2 if you count the large theme game which barely lasted a full game til it was over. Then this game so that equals 3.

Other site - 7 and possibly 8. (8th would be if I counted the one where she replaced in and then died right after)
(One is currently ongoing, but I'm counting it in with the 7)

[Malakittens]

So, I'm not really sure if Lincolm is scum. I'm actually having a lot of trouble rereading his posts. Mostly because he is contradicting himself which doesn't mean he's scum for that.

Lincolm - how did your role make CD more town? I really, really don't understand that.

I love how Huntress asked the same exact question and you didn't answer her.

About what I find, I want to see Wicked's next post first. Because this is based on you two, maybe both of you don't find it. It is very interesting one.

I still don't see it because I have not one little slightest clue what the hell you are on about. Also I detest riddles and you are like the riddle-man of riddles.

Unless you are talking about my mistake in #508 - it was supposed to be this:

If it's counted the scum team = Wicked, Huntress. (that's if CD is

scum

town. By the way CD just said what he said he sounds possibly town and I just died for real)

Or is it because I found Wicked scummier than CD, but I voted CD in the end?

Or it could be the fact Huntress asked if Wicked, I was around?

Or it could be the fact I don't have a clue about plurality deadlines and mistaken the two people who were supposed to be killed for two other people?..

If none of the above are it then I'm stumped because there could be a million things that it could be and just because you see it doesn't mean I see it.

[Malakittens]

I just realized that my humor doesn't come through like I usually want it to in my posts.

This was a joke, (well besides hating riddles) so don't take it super serious pls.

I still don't see it because I have not one little slightest clue what the hell you are on about. Also I detest riddles and you are like the riddle-man of riddles.

[Malakittens]

Man. I really feel like alone in this thread. Makes me want to run in circles. So hopefully you both post soon.

[Malakittens]

Thanks. I got all excited to come home to a post to respond to and then nothing. I feel loved.

Anyways - time to play with VC analysis. I know I ruled out Lincolm being scum previously for Slimer's L-1 vote, but I need to rethink that. Also, Slimer's my scum partners are __&__. Then I need to see if Huntress would toy with me and put Lincolm as a scum read, but not really go after him.

[Malakittens]

I mean - gut is telling me it's Wicked that is most likely's Huntress' partner.
Then there's Slimer's plan thing that looks ultimately terribad for Wicked from skimming VC.
The Huntress / Wicked interactions look really distancy like.
Not to mention - I believe if Lincolm was scum with Huntress the lanugage barrier would have at least been improved a bit. (Though, not 100% sure on that - it would make it totes obvious)

...

Lincolm - Are you serious about 527?

[Malakittens]

Kay let's do this then.

You volunteering to hammer just makes me think you are town and I'm town.

Vote: Wicked

Honestly, I thought your second to last post said you thought I was scum and not town. -__-

[Malakittens]

Nice job Lincolm. I was thinking early this morning that this LyLo is a reserved LyLo of a normal game. Scum do NOT want to hammer so when you volunteered to hammer I knew you were town.

[Malakittens]

Nice job everyone else. <33

The scum team had me fooled for quite a bit.

This setup was actually really fun and I have to admit Slimer is right - it felt a bit scum sided.

I'm still pouting at the fact Huntress had me totally fooled. TOTALLY FOOLED. It was probably better that Day 3 ended how it did. If she survived I possibly wouldn't have voted her. -__-

Now, I'm going to bed.

[Malakittens]

You and me both KMD - about Huntress.

Only funny stupid scum gut ping I got on her straight away was due to her 'Heh' after my first post directed at her. I totally disregarded it because it was dumb ping, imo.

[Malakittens]

You are right. Depending on how you answered it my attention would have shifted to you.

I'm still pretty shocked though I made it in LyLo for so long after being so useless >.>

[Malakittens]

Towards you Wicked. It was due to the distancing.

Bwha loved reading that qt