Micro 182 - Buzzword Bingo (SPEED WAGONED)

[DrCirno]

Hey ya'll. I'm a miller.

2 millers in 9p game is bit overkill isn't it?

VOTE: Syryana

@Nachomamma8: yes.

[DrCirno]

Um how did that vote tag end up in there?
Bloody phone.

By the way my vote is serious.

[DrCirno]

@2: yes. And I doubt that there will be two millers in 9 players game.

[DrCirno]

If there's no cop, what's the point of putting miller in the setup?
Especially in the normal setup, where every roles have their uses and functions?
Besides, even if there's no cop, 2 millers are very unlikely, if not never, because town gets two named VT, which are most likely 2 confirmed town.

Today is the day when we cross vote and yell at each other until one of us eat rope.

[DrCirno]

Were those setups explicitly stated that it is normal setup?

[DrCirno]

Wait. Does being normal setup means it's using normal roles? Is that all it means?

[DrCirno]

Ugh. I still don't see any reason to put two millers in the setup.
But Syryana doesn't sound like mafia who got caught fakeclaiming.

However, IGMEOY.

UNVOTE:

[DrCirno]

Lol

Strangely enough we now have three conftown

Add me in to make the fourth

All of APs games are really town sided I feel

VOTE: AA9

Who are the three conftowns?

[DrCirno]

Pigeon's votecount is terribly wrong and orcinus_theoriginal is like 1 vote away from a lynch.

@Syryana: what's your reason for voting him?

[DrCirno]

I have my own speculation about why people are voting him but I would like to hear Syryana's opinion first.

[DrCirno]

Dude. I don't need you to quote that post to realize that you're voting him based on that post.
What of that post made you vote him?

[DrCirno]

That's mostly what I'm seeing.

Also the fact that he didn't even try to consider the possibility of one of the miller claim being mafia before calling us confirmed town.

I would like to see him defending before I call the intention to hammer.

[DrCirno]

vote: syryana

I have a strict, never waiver lynch all miller claims.

Deal with it

Have fun because there are two miller claims.

[DrCirno]

This game

[DrCirno]

Holy fuck.

Stop contaminating this thread with those hate post.

Do this instead.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[DrCirno]

Question: is orcinus usually this confident?

[DrCirno]

And he still won't be able to answer you.

[DrCirno]

Good to know that ArcAngel9 and Majiffy are not mafias together.

@Majiffy: about what of that Syryana's post looks bad to you?

Now listen, insurance boy.

Based on the experience of some people, following statement has been established:

Multiple millers can exist.

There are strategical reason that multiple millers can be in the setup. (To discourage setup spec, etc.)

Now unless you can provide a counterargument against these two statements, your push on Syryana's policy lynch won't go anywhere and won't be accepted.

[DrCirno]

That's why I asked him for a reason. I agreed with those reason, so I didn't throw a fit about it.

Also I took L-1 or L-3 thing as a sarcastic comment @ mod and nothing else.

[DrCirno]

Anyone who says the miller claims automatically mean town I can specifically link you to a game where scum claimed miller and won. I tried to tell people and nobody listened to me. 1st miller claim is more likely to be scum. Scum is less likely to cc a miller claim, but I guess it's still possible.

Plus nothing in syryana's iso this far suggests town play IMO.

Miller claim NEVER means 100% town.

Um since when we (at least, I) put Syryana as townpile just because of his claim?

[DrCirno]

@Jake: can I have links to few of them?

[DrCirno]

Also don't policy Jake please.
I think I can work something with him and his paranoia is town as hell, just decorated with stonewall.

[DrCirno]

@Jake: I will find it.

@Nachomamma8: how do you townread Human Destroyer?

[DrCirno]

Ugh

I'm damn sure I saw one with two millers when I was reading the old star wars mafia

I'll find it eventually.

I don't like how nachomamma8 is too generous with townreads that it looks like a major-scale buddying attempt.

@Jake: you're pushing a policy lynch too.

[DrCirno]

I deserve a hug
For having to read Jake's posts
While playing this game.

Yes, this is a haiku.

[DrCirno]

VOTE: Jake
Seen enough in the last 4 pages or so that he's playing belligerent town rather than being belligerent town.

I'd love to hear you try to explain the difference.

But it's self-explanatory.

[DrCirno]

Town
2 - talks too much but their actions look logical. But the b part looks snarky.
Jake - Ugh.

Leaning Town
Syryana - I liked his reaction when I aggresively counter-claimed. He wasn't panicking, which caught-scum would've done at least a little bit, but he was relaxed and trying to work something out with me.

Null
Human Destroyer - this guy rarely posted.
Mastin - he haven't posted yet.

Pending town
Majiffy - because I think ArcAngel9 is mafia.

Leaning Mafia
Nachomamma8 - I think this guy is way too generous giving out townreads that it looks like a major buddying attempt.

Mafia
ArcAngel9 - the way she voted orcinus_theoriginal at the beginning and her other post doesn't help much lowering my scumread on her.

[DrCirno]

Town
2 - talks too much but their actions look logical. But the b part looks snarky.
Jake - Ugh.

Why do you think Jake is town? What do you think of the arguments that he isn't?

Pending town
Majiffy - because I think ArcAngel9 is mafia.

Why does Majiffy's alignment depend on AA9? If AA9 flips town, what happens to this read?

@Syryana
His attitude.
With that much of subpar trolling, I doubt he's mafia.

About majiffy/ArcAngel9
I think they're both mafia but based on the interaction I don't think they're in same team together.
And I have stronger scumread on ArcAngel9.

[DrCirno]

VOTE: Jake
Seen enough in the last 4 pages or so that he's playing belligerent town rather than being belligerent town.

I'd love to hear you try to explain the difference.

here are posts throughout the site where I mention miller

Spoiler:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4350252
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4390410
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4391009
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4626397
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4748382
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4649260

so IDK why people are giving me shit for wanting to lynch a miller. get over it already.

Jake

That's not even close to the reason why people wants to policy/utility lynch you.
They want you dead because you're unwilling to contribute. You uses 2 as an excuse to not do anything.

At least other half of 2 is contributing.

[DrCirno]

BTW in case nobody ekse notices'd, AA9 is avoiding the game and that's a huge scumtell.

Omg. A 4th read. Imagine that.

Good catch. Your vote is still in the wrong place, though.

I still have no clue why you're pushing Syryana for very weak reason (oh he have done nothing that looked town) when you have a scumread with huge scumtell.

[DrCirno]

I want this day to be productive so I suggest we wagon ArcAngel9 until she magically comes back and yell at us.

[DrCirno]

so even if you did not claim miller, I would be voting you.

Lies.

Just checking in, votes need to be on syryana and nobody else.

There are not 2 millers this game. If there is I'm going to be annoyed with AP.

Day 2 we lynch majiffy

If Syryana haven't claimed miller, your vote would've been on Majiffy.

[DrCirno]

I want this day to be productive so I suggest we wagon ArcAngel9 until she magically comes back and yell at us.

I could get behind this.

Then what are you waiting for?

[DrCirno]

*My read list. Do you wanna know what was in this quote? Then I suggest you go back and read <3*

Re Nacho - giving out tons of town reads is something he does as town. That's not what has looked strange about his play.

- f

What of his play looked strange to you?

[DrCirno]

So it's just meta stuff :<

Anyway, ArcAngel9 last posted at today 2:44 AM.
She last posted here at Saturday.

[DrCirno]

You should vote ArcAngel9 with me.

[DrCirno]

BTW in case nobody ekse notices'd, AA9 is avoiding the game and that's a huge scumtell.

Omg. A 4th read. Imagine that.

Good catch. Your vote is still in the wrong place, though.

I still have no clue why you're pushing Syryana for very weak reason (oh he have done nothing that looked town) when you have a scumread with huge scumtell.

Nope, my vote is right where it should be.

Deep inside your heart, you know that Syryana isn't getting lynched today.
So why the useless votepark?

[DrCirno]

But he doesn't seem to be here atm?

[DrCirno]

1) That's nowhere close to answering my question.
2) Of course people who think your policy is dumb won't vote Syryana.
3) I'm pretty sure people aren't calling Syryana town just because of the miller claim.

@Human Destroyer: Why is Syryana town?

[DrCirno]

1. At this point it's pretty useless.
2. See #3
3. We'll see about that.

Maybe Nachomamma8 can answer the question too.

[DrCirno]

@Human Destroyer: Why is Syryana town?

Scum Syryana has a mechanicalness and structure to his play that this Syryana lacks.

It's basically meta.

Jake From State Farm: 0
DrCirno: 1

[DrCirno]

my top page :3

[DrCirno]

He still remains on my leaning scum pile because I agree with your points.

[DrCirno]

Just cause you think my vote is useless, doesn't mean it actually is. I see no town motivation in syrana not voting 2, when Buldemar played dumb with miller/cops. Syrana knew bulder was lying and should have voted accordingly. Instead she accepted his BS answer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you pulling "lynch all liars" here?

[DrCirno]

Erm let me rephrase that.

Are you saying that Syryana should've voted ² just because he was lying about knowing the game?

[DrCirno]

It looked to me as if DrCirno tried to steer away votes from Jake.

That's exactly what I'm doing.
I firmly believe that Jake is town and I'd rather lynch mafia today.

[DrCirno]

when AA9 being away had already been pointed out.

I don't remember this being pointed out earlier.

[DrCirno]

I still want ArcAngel9 to be wagoned so she is forced to post in this thread.

[DrCirno]

He was asking you about your opinion on nachomamma8.

[DrCirno]

I still want ArcAngel9 to be wagoned so she is forced to post in this thread.

Her being wagoned does not force her to post in this thread - especially not if she's not getting lynched, which she isn't because Nacho is a hundred times better of an option.

- b

Why wouldn't it?

[DrCirno]

Latin ftw

[DrCirno]

If you have posted like this earlier instead of "I have never waiver miller policy" my eyes didn't had to suffer.

So you're accusing Syryana of coasting/lurking, correct?

About the rest, though.
I don't think just because they called both miller legit, it makes them not scumhunting.
They had their own reasons to call Syryana town and they have their reads outside of Syryana as well.

[DrCirno]

Erm coasting/sheeping, not coasting/lurking.

[DrCirno]

Re: doll - you're just jealous!

Re: counter-claim - umm. I'm the one counterclaimed, not Syryana. And I'm the one who jumped at Syryana first to lynch him so you must've misunderstood here.

Re: strong - umm I said strongER, not strong. And my vote was on you since long time ago and it still is.

[DrCirno]

Re: Majiffy - I decided that you and Majiffy are not scum together after your terrible OMGUS jump on orcinus_theoriginal (now Majiffy), if it wasn't obvious.

[DrCirno]

@Jake: I would say the post before yours just now is genuine scumhunting.

[DrCirno]

She.

[DrCirno]

@Majiffy: read my readlist?

[DrCirno]

[DrCirno]

@b: sure.

@ArcAngel9
I recommend you to fully read the game because you're clearly not understanding what's happening in this game.
If you have read the game, you would understand why Syryana has such scumpool, why people read people as town, why me and Syryana are very unlikely to be mafia together, why I posted a "filler post", etc.

I will simply ask you give this game a full read, and if you still have a question/accusation, let me know.

Be warned, because convo between Jake and b will be pain to read.

[DrCirno]

@Jake: I know we already went over that "miller policy" but this was what you were essentially doing:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... robability

[DrCirno]

Holy hell those 8 pages were painful to read.

I'm gonna give it a more through read later, but from skimming:

Jake is stuck with Appeal to Probability (687 and all that miller policy), a bit(?) of confirmation bias (based on following how Jake accused Syryana), and massive stonewall (I'm right you're wrong!)

[DrCirno]

It's called PoE, thank you very much.

[DrCirno]

Or ask for replacement so we all can be happy.

[DrCirno]

Anyway, I've read few of ArcAngel9's game and...
Holy hell is she reflexive.

I haven't read her scumgames yet so I'm gonna keep my vote on her until I'm done researching.

[DrCirno]

Omg Jake changed his vote :shocked:

@b: mhmm.
how long do we have?

[DrCirno]

vote: nacho

:OMG:

There's a difference.

At that time, Mastin was in V/LA, which means he haven't posted anything at all and stuff.
You posted that one terrible post and was gone for a while.
Also the fact that my townreads were slowly increasing didn't help your case at all.

Your catch up posts were flawed and was taken out of context.

But then there were people who said that it is your normal play.
My post that you quoted implied that I am willing to reconsider my read on you and do the research myself so I can see if I can find some similarities.

Do you understand now?

[DrCirno]

It was.

I don't know where that quote came from.

[DrCirno]

That minimal content is exactly why I wanted to wagon you. I even said that I wished to wagon you so you are forced to post more.

P-Edit: I found 8p setup that contains 2 millers and considered a legit scumhunting setup. Does that count?

[DrCirno]

@Jake
http://www.epicmafia.com/setup/47375

I've done some research, and it is balanced enough to be in a lot of tournaments.

@mastin
Nachomamma8's stuff was more stand out than others.

[DrCirno]

UNVOTE:

Her scumplay is very similar as her townplay o.o
But her scumplay seems less aggressively reflexive.

@ArcAngel9
Have you finished reading?

[DrCirno]

@Majiffy: so you think both Jake and Syryana are mafia?
Does that mean that Jake is hardcore bussing Syryana from the start of the game?

[DrCirno]

And your point is?

[DrCirno]

And your point is?

were you even reading the game? Stop posting fillers pleasee.

Your post was a filler too.

[DrCirno]

@Human Destroyer: Why is Syryana town?

Scum Syryana has a mechanicalness and structure to his play that this Syryana lacks.

It's basically meta.

This. Thisis my scum play and not syr scum play. He's also overplaying confirmed town and the like this game, just like iNefFective

Error: unable to comprehend

[DrCirno]

V/LA until June 6th. Travelling to Paris!

Do I know French? Of course not!

[DrCirno]

Catching up.
(25 pages O.O)

[DrCirno]

Vote Count Analysis (Town 2-Shot Cop), was found mauled, burned, drowned, shot, and arrow to the knee'd on Night 1.

Now I know what not to do when I play mafia.

[DrCirno]

And TBH, i also want to lynch one of the millers, this way the other one will get confirmed.

Now how does that work?

[DrCirno]

Also with the godfather flip the possibility of 2 millers existing just skyrocketed. (I'm talking to you, Jake.)

[DrCirno]

Vote: Human Destroyer

hey buddy
how are things going?

So are you saying that Human Destroyer hardbussed his fellow mafia day 1?

[DrCirno]

VOTE: Jake

We really should be voting Nacho.

Wha

[DrCirno]

Also Cirno sup lets compare reads.

VOTE: Nacho

This pretty much sums it up.

[DrCirno]

Oh yay.
My role PM is the shortest

[DrCirno]

I don't know what exactly gave me a townread on Human Destroyer, but for some reason he was one of my strong townread. It was probably his play in general.