[M] Micro 237: Greatest Idea Mafia - (Hunger ENDGames)

[Guyett]

I fully agree with a mass claim.

Did bulba hint at an investigative role yesterday?
I find it slightly suspicious that he was against mass claiming yesterday but he has immediately come out and basically outed himself as an investigative PR with no results.

[Guyett]

Ok Nat, Skrew and Bulba to claim.

[Guyett]

Bulba I would like you to claim first.

I do not see any logic in your decision to investigate Disturbed. Why not investigate me who you obviously had issues with yesterday, or Skrew who you definitely have issues with?

[Guyett]

Skrew is a lurking fucker. Could you claim first, then Skrew and finally Nat.

[Guyett]

Disturbed was a confirmed Mason. Did you think his claim of Cop Lover alignment card was fake?

[Guyett]

Just claim Bulba

[Guyett]

I really really want a bulba claim. Don't see any logic in his action last night...
Disturbed was coming across as obv town

[Guyett]

Disturbed was a confirmed Mason. Did you think his claim of Cop Lover alignment card was fake?

I never said that. Disturbed was conf. not mafia. I was hoping to fully clear him.

P-edit: Why are you in such a big rush for me to claim? I fully intend to do so right after Skrew does.

Why not investigate someone who was acting quite scummy. Why didn't you investigate Skrew?

[Guyett]

Ok we wait for Skrew, then Bulba claims followed by Nat?

[Guyett]

Name	Alignment Card	Role Card	Discarded Card	Final Combination
Guyett	Vanilla Cop	Doctor	Vanilla Townie	Town Doctor
Lucky2u	Serial Killer	Mason	Vanilla Townie	Serial Killer Mason
Mitillos	Lover	Alien psychomagnet	Mafia Reflexive Doctor	town psychomagnet
SleepyKrew	Gravedigger		Werewolf
Sakura Hana	Weak Jailkeeper	Innocent Child	Mafia Roleblocker	Innocent Child
Natirasha	Vanilla Townie	Conspiracy theorist	Mafia Goon	Town Conspiracy Theorist
Bulbazak	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Seer	Alpha Goon	Town Seer
Disturbed_One	Cop Lover	Mason	Mafia Goon	Town Mason
Who	tentacled townie	Lover	Vanilla Townie	Town Lover

[Guyett]

Pretty sure Srew can be prodded now

[Guyett]

Expect me to find one before half of you even read this

Well at least 1 has already read it.

Everyone except the person being replaced has seen it

[Guyett]

VOTE: Nat

Not happy with the Skrew wagon at all. The mod is searching for a replacement so lets wait to hear from them.
I'm really unhappy with Nat's claims for alignment and role cards.
Both of his claims (VT and conspiracy theorist) are multiple cards.
Now CT is able to investigate if a person is an alien but also investigates as alien. Skrew hasn't claimed but in theory could have a PR that investigates if the person is alien so Nat's claim could be covering his arse as he could actually be an alien.

[Guyett]

I do find it odd that in games that you are town you are able to publicly read me as town but in games you are scum (robs bastard for example) you don't...

Well, in Rob's I had to pine for a mislynch on you.

Here aswell methinks

[Guyett]

I think its a convenient fake claim forced on to you due to the psychomagnet on N1

[Guyett]

You could well have had an investigative role and be an alien too. In fact I'm sure you probably do have an investigative role....
Where did you say on D1 about a weak PR?

You aren't scum with Militos, that much is undoubted.
In fact I am pretty sure Miltos is town

Also when given:
Mafia goon
VT
CT

Why would you discard goon?
CT is the worst investigative role as it has the dubious advantage of miller like powers. However given those cards that have been claimed why would you chose to go for VT over goon?

How do you know that there is even 2 scum on the same team?

[Guyett]

The fact that you were so sure I was town on D1 as my "town tell was showing" and as you have said that my play has been consistent all game would indicate you still have a town read on me. That comment regarding the Robs bastard game would indicate you are only going against your earlier town read on me to push through an easy mislynch or set up an easy mislynch.

[Guyett]

I think you might have an alien card like alien sympathiser for your role and something like Cop, PI, seer or fbi agent.

You would have investigated someone but got a result of Nat is not mafia/SK/werewolf or cult so you would have assumed someone was a psychomagnet.
As an alien you may have been investigated by others as all actions were drawn to you (including my doc abilities) so you could have been investigated as Alien so you had to play the CT card.

[Guyett]

Nat could you list who is most likely to be scum?

[Guyett]

K so the point is Sakura asked me a generalized question, "what alignment do you like to play" and I gave her a generalized answer--i prefer being a third party, and am completely indifferent to being town or mafia. I selected Town this game because being a mafiate is disadvantaged by the setup and because being essentially a goon(I'm essentially a vt as is) is boring.

But using the Mafia Goon card as an alignment card could have made you 3rd party as the odds of being on your own are pretty high in this game

[Guyett]

We could argue until the cows come home about this fake claim.
Why is SKrew top of the list?
Why is Bulba low?

[Guyett]

Could you point out his super suspect play?
Bulba aggressively forced the fucking doctor to out himself.

I am much happier with you or bulba seeing rope than Skrew

[Guyett]

well I have pushed for a lynch of someone who promised reads but didn't give any for ages.... he flipped town. He shouldn't have promised reads if he had no time to do them, was he inactive in his other games? Like he has disappeared off the site so he may have just had no time :shrug:
Do you have anything else against him?

I'll try working on a bulba case after dinner

[Guyett]

Like he could be scum but I feel his wagon is a bit shit and is kinda built on his inactivity and inability to defend himself.

[Guyett]

but he admitted to lurking... I'd imagine that if scum were caught out active lurking they'd stop and start posting more.... Skrew just didn't care that people were on to him about active lurking.

[Guyett]

Ok so I'm going out for a few pints with the lads so I won't be able to make my case on Bulba tonight. apologies

[Guyett]

actually I have an hour to play with, bear with me.

[Guyett]

Also I've a question.. does me being doctor explain my early play? Like I wanted to not stick out as PR but also not become lynch bait?

[Guyett]

Ok firstly the discard of alpha goon in preference of keeping VT. Bulba is pretty good scum so why chose town over alignment instead of mafia?
Bear in mind last greatest idea he discarded town miller role for an alien role. I don't buy 16. yes you might get VT but you also got a mafia role... why not pick it?
I always find it suspicious when people claim something that is found multiple times in the card deck.

He kept pushing Sak as scum even after her IC claim... then said she could be scum IC 51 despite playing this game enough to know better.

His early argument with Skrew about whether a cop is useless in this game is kinda really weird now. Back then I fully agreed with skrew about it being useless in this game. Now that he has claimed Seer and said it was a pretty useless role this kinda goes against his early argument doesn't it? 272 contains his arguments.
In this game Seer is the same amount of uselessness as cop unless there is the factions present.

The unwillingness to take part in the claim is very suspect. I said I was willing to take part but that I would like to go last. It was obvious that I had good reasons due to the lack of night kill and once I said that I had crumbed my role I think he knew full well that I was the cop... he continued to push for me to claim. His tunneling here came across as quite scummy.
At that stage with half of the people claimed it only gave advantage to scum... His reasons for not claiming were complete bullshit. Was he afraid of being night killed? There were 2 masons and an IC outed (followed by a doc) all of whom were much bigger targets for nk than a fucking seer.

721 has all sorts of appalling reasons for why someone would be scum.
I never immediately trusted Who's claim. I put his claim in the table and then had to think on it. Lots of misreps

His death tunneling on D2 was terrible.

His case on both myself and Skrew come across that he knows for a fact we are scum... not that he suspects but that he knows

867 "Because you are not guaranteed to be town." Fair enough... why not fucking investigate me then? investigating DO was either fake and you aren't actually what you say you are... or FUCKING STUPID as he was pretty much town in everyones eyes!!!

1021
Your reason for claiming was "Stuff has gone so terribly awry at this point"..... Eh what? The only difference between now and then was that we had lynched a SK and what was effectively a Named townie died... so what exactly went so terribly awry that made you feel the need to claim right away?
ctiomn
Back to your choice of investigation target... you wanted to make an interesting cross section on DO???

We already knew he wasn't mafia and his play reeked of obv town.... so you investigate him on the off chance he might be a werewolf? Why not investigate myself or Skrew who were top of your shit list? in 1029 you say you wanted to "fully clear him".... do tell how you planned on doing that? Like sure he couldn't be mafia or scum but he could still be alien, SK or any other 3rd party.

lets do a little recap.... he claims an alignment card that is not unique... great fake claim bro. His investigation target is also dead... another great fake claim :thumb:

Why does he have a town read on Nat?


Back to your

[Guyett]

Ok 272 says otherwise regarding cop argument. Also yes I meant doc not cop

[Guyett]

No hes not effictively conf town. Stop being stupud.

VOTE: bulbA

[Guyett]

Ok 272 says otherwise regarding cop argument. Also yes I meant doc not cop

Actually see 250

[Guyett]

What are your reasons for skrew being scum?

[Guyett]

VOTE: guyett

Dont give a fuck

[Guyett]

You can clean up the mess tomorrow
Once conf town acts this fucking retarded we're fucked.
FUCK Y'ALL G'NIGHT

[Guyett]

Skrew might be scum but nat and bulba must be scum. Tgis game is fucked for town.

[Guyett]

Fuck you you scum fuck

[Guyett]

I'm out having fun with the lads but fucking sak has fucking annoyed me. Jesus fucking christ I'm town doc but if she wants to lose it for us fuck her.

[Guyett]

Drunk guyett is drunk guyett.... and fucking pissed off guyett

[Guyett]

Fucking conf town did. That annoywd me

[Guyett]

For fucking retarded reasons too.

[Guyett]

Bcus I"m obv lynch bait....

[Guyett]

UNVOTE:

[Guyett]

I haven't had this bad a hangover since last Friday morning...
VOTE: Bulba

[Guyett]

I did maths for 2 years in college begore changing to a different course so.... not really

[Guyett]

Miltos who are you leaning towards voting?

[Guyett]

And Nat are you sure you don't want to move to a bulba wagon?

[Guyett]

Mit and Sak would you get onto the Bulba wagon?

[Guyett]

Just to progress the game I'd move to Skrew.
I have a scum read on him (not as strong as Bulba and Nat) and the only reason so far that I was against his lynch is that the slot is being replaced... well Maestro is struggling to find a replacement so it might be best to just remove him

[Guyett]

Yes I could be scum doc and that is why I'm alive..... or I could have been kept alive as I'm lynch bait. Think about it logically for a sec. They kill me and today has DO instead of me. There would be 3 people that are obv town in Sak (confirmed), Mit (pretty obv town) and DO (Also pretty obv town). Imagine having 3 obv town with 6 alive.... Scum don't want that when they could keep me alive as lynch bait and kill DO who was the least likely to be protected

[Guyett]

Miltos was pretty obv town too. However you are conf town and I could have ignored your advice to protect Nat and just protect you instead. I assume thats why scum didn't try hit you

[Guyett]

Why do you not want to lynch Bulba?

[Guyett]

Exactly... lotsa wifom.
However if I did ignore your advise and decide to protect obv town they must have assumed I'd have protected you. Hence killing DO instead.

As an aside I have had a brainwave

Now I recently took part in a newbie game modded by Maestro

HiddenPower who was replaced by Nacho was the last remaining scum site flaked before the end of the day and thus missed the opportunity to place a NK down.
Maestro has form for letting scum miss a NK if they aren't on.

Now SK hasn't been on since yesterday so if he was scum he couldn't submit a kill.
I have a gut feeling there is 2 scum factions... I know there is no proof due to the psychomagnet on N1 and the single kill on N2.
The lack of a 2nd kill is down to 3 options
Skrew is scum and didn't submit a kill (Likely based on his scummy D2 play and site flake)
For some reason scum attempted to kill Nat and I blocked it (given Sak asked me to protect Nat it'd be a bit of a gamble to try kill Nat)
There is only 1 scum faction. (if this is the case there is probably 2 scum on the same faction here and then we are prob in MyLo)

[Guyett]

VOTE: Skrew

He's probably scum

[Guyett]

one way to find out...

[Guyett]

If I am bussing my partner then its a no lose situation isn't it? Scum gets lynched?

[Guyett]

He's a one shot governor.....

[Guyett]

[Guyett]

not in a gaming mood?

[Guyett]

Really? I missed that. for some reason I though night started on 27th. I'll check again

[Guyett]

Ok so night started Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:37 am
Skrews last post was Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:47 pm

Thats my time.

What would the time be in Illinois as thats where he's from?

[Guyett]

Friday night.... could he have gone out and made a few very early morning posts before bed?

UNVOTE:

while I think over this

[Guyett]

This is true. Completely forgot about that.
I checked the time stamp and I sent in my doc protection 20 mins before he sent that PM so I was probably the last to get the night action in.

So either there is 1 faction
or both targeted DO
or one targeted Nat and one targeted DO

[Guyett]

I can't see skrew scum with bulba or nat. If they are part of a 2 person scum team why bus now when a mislynch would effectively win the game for them. The only 2 person scum team that I can see is Nat and Bulba or (and this is a really really long shot... as in almost impossible) Skrew and Mit.

Skrew is still scum but if we lynch him and Bulba and Nat are a scum team we pretty much lose

[Guyett]

Lets look at this objectively.
The game is 48 pages long and the slot being looked at is under the most pressure....
Who is going to replace into that?

[Guyett]

do you wanna just lynch him now? both of us can hammer him

[Guyett]

We could discuss Geology instead
Where are you from?

[Guyett]

Greece?

[Guyett]

Hmm maybe Turkey? I only say because of the copper mining for 1000 years. On the phone in a pub now

[Guyett]

Ew. Rocks.

What? :/

[Guyett]

Big big money in geology :p

[Guyett]

But its so fun :p
I get to travel lots
Going to Sudbury in Canada for 6-8 weeks next summer

[Guyett]

Nope ;_;

[Guyett]

I'm gonna hammer soon as the game is dying on its hole
Hes prob scum so I dont mind

[Guyett]

The closest I've been to geology was when I took my A-Level in geography. I got a D, but my teacher expected me to get an A. So, he sent a letter to Edexcel asking them what had happened. It turned out that my handwriting was worse than I previously thought; they couldn't understand what I wrote, so most of my answers didn't get graded.
Which is a bit annoying, because all my other exams got graded just fine. So, I guess what I'm saying is, geographers are not good at reading.

geographers are shit... in fact they are scum (you should sign up to my first modded game as geographers are actually scum in it )

[Guyett]

fuck it
VOTE: skrew

[Guyett]

you'll be pleasantly surprised when you see my flip sak

[Guyett]

both of our wincon gets fucked if you lynch me.
Skrew is a scum read but at this stage I just want to move the game forward... get out of that awkward limbo we were in