micro 429: m9++. epilogue.

[mykonian]

well then, with that guilty, this game becomes nice and simple.

vote: sordros

fixed the vote -bob

[mykonian]

Did the game have a night start?

hey, you played before.

Where?

[mykonian]

Really, L-2 already?

oi

Don't dodge the question.

[mykonian]

Here is where scum start getting itchy and eager to get an easy hang

Dude, stop pretending. It makes you look silly.

[mykonian]

dave, now would be a good time to start talking about yourself. Who are you?

[mykonian]

because I care about you <3

[mykonian]

Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

wow, dude. I have this crazy feeling you aren't going to lynch me this game.

[mykonian]

vote: dave

[mykonian]

guys.

why aren't we lynching dave? Even if you aren't interested in him, that vote was all kinds of terrible.

@bob, I think I voted for davesaz. What are the limits of that votecounter?

[mykonian]

[mykonian]

What I'm seeing looks more like weak play than scuminess, and some people were awfully quick to vote for him.

No.

There's weak play, there's weak town play, and there's weak scum play. This is the last. Everybody can look at dave and see a weak player. Then's the question wether he's scum knowing that or he's town. His posting is seriously scum motivated. His votes, his pushing of tier "because he lied" etc.

Don't pull this shit defense.

[mykonian]

This game is giving me such a headache right now. >_<

Actually, put vyse on my list of people I want dead as well.

[mykonian]

quoted bit stands out. But it's the overall sense of the posts on top of this page, really passive. He's talking a lot more than he's finding points he doesn't like about other people, among which a rather lengthy post to defend himself.

idk. It stinks.

[mykonian]

would you look at that. All it takes for vyse to notice me is to call him scum. Suddenly I'm a weak scumread for him as well!

[mykonian]

oooh, there's a wagon?

vote: Vyse

[mykonian]

myko can you actually post something useful please

I am, but you don't understand. You don't agree hence it's not useful. I doubt both dave and vyse are scum, though you could make a decent case for either.

[mykonian]

I mean, it's late so I can just let my thoughts go and see what you fish out of it.

One of the stranger things this game is the amount of people who play newbyish on purpose. There's been cases/"inquiries" about lying from the start of the game, mostly because willow and Tier were getting things going, you can debate about my role there however you want. Now, this is strange to me. Willow's claim is obviously a conversation starter, there's no night 0, there hasn't been a night 0 on MS in years, but still this is where two people go (cyrus and dave). Dave is in the middle of these things anyway, later he comes with the vote for lying on Tier.

Now, given that a night 0 is nothing like we know, daves play is odd and the conversation does go there, as well as the feeling that this game is too newbie to be true, it's time to get investigating. Dave however, doesn't tell anything about himself, no clue where he comes from with his thoughts. There are few people who will naively assume that scum will lie 5 pages into the game and then park their vote there. We could happily talk about his mental age there, but I suspect we've gone past that station with this post. So dave smells, that vote on tier esspecially. There's some merit in getting conversation started without a premediated plan (which one of the reasons to have reservations about willow but less so about tier) so he's actually for a very naive newbiish reason voting someone who by my estimation should look pretty town to everybody.

This is just one post, but this is characteristic for daves playstyle. The oddity is that he's not the only offender.


The amount of "confused" people here is astounding. And it's bullshit. In a chat mafia environment this is a pretty decent scumtell because it's only goal is to create time to overthink the situation which is a bit out of the ordinary, and scum simply have a lot more to think about. On a forum, you have that time to think already. The only "time" you win by a "i'm so confused guyyyyys" is the posts of other people, for the situation to resolve.

Now this early game had a pretty out there situation. Both me and tier pushed someone on fake reasons after willows fake claim, straightfaced. Now, it's bullshit that everybody here was confused about willows claim. I could see people who would want to find out if they could safely hope on the sordros wagon or not, ie, I could see scum waiting to see where the wind blew.

Hesitancy doesn't just show in those statements, it also shows in the posts made. Pages of inquiries, entire posts explaining peoples entire stances with a previous vote, logically giving every single step how they got to their conclusion. And that's super nice that you can do that, but only scum really have to win by it. It's a lawyers defense, if you can explain everything they won't have a case to make, right?


Guess who was confused, soft defended dave simply on weakness, not on wether he's weak scum or not, then takes that as a stepping stone to attack the attackers (call it buddying, dont really care) and practically needs walls to explain everything they think and pushes a lot of questions without following up on the answers?

Vyse.

And I don't understand how you guys are reading here without feeling that something is off about this game. It's not willow or tier or me that makes it off. It's the response to it which is so sluggish, the naivity of some cases that have been pushed, the delay in responses. The game opened with a bang, why did the game as a whole not get fired up? The breaks were hit hard. You aren't looking here for that one person who posts x contradiction, you've got a fairly huge tempo change at the start, you should be looking for people who walked out of line. It's hardly just vyse and dave. There's cyrus, there's brantz. Crucially, it's clearly not fuduzn. He very quickly finds his stride, take the dave vote as an example, as well as the read given the situation on sordros. He's not waiting opportunistically, he's taking the opportunity to get his first reads in.

So frankly, with all your "content", you are missing the point. There are actually flipping tier and fuduzn votes flying around, who from the early game should have gotten some credit. You could look at them, but certainly not now.

[mykonian]

Is this the 'I won't elobarate because if I elaborate my stuff doesn't work anymore' kinda thing?

Or elaborate on your things

Nah, this is the if I elaborate on stuff it doesn't translate to other people. You are hardly the only example.

[mykonian]

I like mykonian for town as well, his 156 seems well thought out and not forced.......and I feel bad for lynching him as the doc in a previous game

I cried a bit in bed that day :'(

That being said. I agree that his 156 is very good. I don't like the fact that he feels like he needs to treat us all like we are dumb, but that isn't scum motivated.

It's not dumbness, it's a different way to look at the game. I can't imagine people looking at that early game and deciding that Fuduzn comes out scummy from it. I think that people playing like tier has at the start tend to have good day ones in the average game.

If we want to use that terminology, it would make thinking about dave easier if I thought him less mentally capable for whatever reason.

If I reread the post, I think you could misread naive cases as calling people stupid. That wasn't the goal there, it was calling them scummy.

Guess who was confused, soft defended dave simply on weakness, not on wether he's weak scum or not, then takes that as a stepping stone to attack the attackers (call it

buddying

, dont really care) and practically needs walls to explain everything they think and pushes a lot of questions without following up on the answers?

Vyse.

So you think dave is town and vyse is scum?
I think the dave wagon was scummy, so I'm definitely okay with his hunting on the wagon. You don't think that wagon went crazily fast?

What's your read on cyrus?

As said before, I could make a case for either vyse or dave easily, but I don't think they are scum together.

The dave wagon went fast but given his posting and the time that happened that was to be expected.

Cyrus is in the list of people to have an eye on based on the early game.

[mykonian]

Did you just claim in your first post, Willow? Or am I missing a joke?

Well... okay...

VOTE: Whomping Willow

Willow, did you get a guilty on Sordros or no?

I didn't think it had a night start, honestly. I think the game opened too quickly for a night start.

like, you can't look at these posts and think: "well that's all perfectly normal".

[mykonian]

well, this game got quiet all of a sudden.

[mykonian]

At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

your face is questionable.

[mykonian]

dave, now would be a good time to start talking about yourself. Who are you?

I have 4 completed games here and 3 finished but still ongoing. Why do you want to know more than that?

because I care about you <3

BTW I never really thought this was satisfactory, but had more pressing issues to attend to.

that feeling is mutual.

It's an issue that resolves itself though. You are on a collision course with a piece of rope.

[mykonian]

this was a curious page. I'll think some more about it when I have had some coffee/socialized with the parents.

[mykonian]

Ok, so the last page has been posted full by the three people on top of my scumlist. Like post 200 by brantz sets off all kinds of alarms. But curiously, that post also pretty much denies brantz/vyse as a scumpair (though there are more posts that go towards that). Vyse-dave was already unlikely. Dave-BRantz however doesn't get particulary less likely (maybe I shouldn't use an understatement there).

Then comes the issue why in a 9p game 2 scum would be talking together, how often do you see them fill a page? I don't think very often. Usually in my own games or the ones where I mod, that is something that catches the eye "oh lol look at these scum talking amongst themselves".

So odds are there's someone playing in my blind spot. Come out, come out, wherever you are...

[mykonian]

you don't get free town points for a first post gambit.

[mykonian]

VOTE: sordos

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VOTE: sordros

Cop guilty.

You were responding to someone. Don't think that counts.

Otoh, willow could (and did) plan to make that post. There's nothing particulary town about it, depending on your thoughts on the subject might even be scummy. Seen his following play (nonexistant) I'd lean to the last. Don't know about you.

[mykonian]

Can you explain your reads to me? Specifically, when did BRantz become a top scumread? What's with the whole three way team deal you think you're seeing? Also, while we're here, what's your take on my reads? FuDuzn & Sordos/ProHawk?

Eh, not really. There's nothing new there, brantz is one of the guys I wanted to pay attention to given early game stuff, his posts seem scummy to me after that as well.

The three way deal or however you want to describe it is just a curiosity, really. There's three people dominating for over 25 posts, and those were not the people I'd expect there.

I have to see more of prohawk. I don't think you should be looking at fuduzn right now, as per previous post again.

[mykonian]

-I still want one of ProHawk/FuDuzn lynched by the end of the day. I'm leaning slightly towards Hawk at present, but I'll wait to hear from him first.

I just want to comment on this real quickly because I just saw the vote-count and noticed that you were voting for... Brantz. Running through a quick ISO I saw you called him town even at one point. I'm not real sure that you are genuinely scum-hunting cause you lynch people with votes not words... although I have seen town do this before (newbie town) I'm not so sure you qualify as that.

boring

[mykonian]

vote: brantz

I think I'm happier here.

[mykonian]

oh, the boring one.

why couldn't we get anti

[mykonian]

Colons, myko, colons.

They disappeared years ago and I predate the vote tags

Anyway, seen the deadline, I would not mind a brantz lynch, vyse close second, dave is I guess not a bad default but yeah.

Not interested in the cyrus lynch here.

[mykonian]

You didn't ask for opinions on both sides, but I'd disagree. I don't see anything from FuDuzn that would make him such a strong town read to be unlynchable.

but then you are the one who has trouble getting his eyes open.

[mykonian]

I mean, it's late so I can just let my thoughts go and see what you fish out of it.

One of the stranger things this game is the amount of people who play newbyish on purpose. There's been cases/"inquiries" about lying from the start of the game, mostly because willow and Tier were getting things going, you can debate about my role there however you want. Now, this is strange to me. Willow's claim is obviously a conversation starter, there's no night 0, there hasn't been a night 0 on MS in years, but still this is where two people go (cyrus and dave). Dave is in the middle of these things anyway, later he comes with the vote for lying on Tier.

Now, given that a night 0 is nothing like we know, daves play is odd and the conversation does go there, as well as the feeling that this game is too newbie to be true, it's time to get investigating. Dave however, doesn't tell anything about himself, no clue where he comes from with his thoughts. There are few people who will naively assume that scum will lie 5 pages into the game and then park their vote there. We could happily talk about his mental age there, but I suspect we've gone past that station with this post. So dave smells, that vote on tier esspecially. There's some merit in getting conversation started without a premediated plan (which one of the reasons to have reservations about willow but less so about tier) so he's actually for a very naive newbiish reason voting someone who by my estimation should look pretty town to everybody.

This is just one post, but this is characteristic for daves playstyle. The oddity is that he's not the only offender.


The amount of "confused" people here is astounding. And it's bullshit. In a chat mafia environment this is a pretty decent scumtell because it's only goal is to create time to overthink the situation which is a bit out of the ordinary, and scum simply have a lot more to think about. On a forum, you have that time to think already. The only "time" you win by a "i'm so confused guyyyyys" is the posts of other people, for the situation to resolve.

Now this early game had a pretty out there situation. Both me and tier pushed someone on fake reasons after willows fake claim, straightfaced. Now, it's bullshit that everybody here was confused about willows claim. I could see people who would want to find out if they could safely hope on the sordros wagon or not, ie, I could see scum waiting to see where the wind blew.

Hesitancy doesn't just show in those statements, it also shows in the posts made. Pages of inquiries, entire posts explaining peoples entire stances with a previous vote, logically giving every single step how they got to their conclusion. And that's super nice that you can do that, but only scum really have to win by it. It's a lawyers defense, if you can explain everything they won't have a case to make, right?


Guess who was confused, soft defended dave simply on weakness, not on wether he's weak scum or not, then takes that as a stepping stone to attack the attackers (call it buddying, dont really care) and practically needs walls to explain everything they think and pushes a lot of questions without following up on the answers?

Vyse.

And I don't understand how you guys are reading here without feeling that something is off about this game. It's not willow or tier or me that makes it off. It's the response to it which is so sluggish, the naivity of some cases that have been pushed, the delay in responses. The game opened with a bang, why did the game as a whole not get fired up? The breaks were hit hard. You aren't looking here for that one person who posts x contradiction, you've got a fairly huge tempo change at the start, you should be looking for people who walked out of line. It's hardly just vyse and dave. There's cyrus, there's brantz. Crucially, it's clearly not fuduzn. He very quickly finds his stride, take the dave vote as an example, as well as the read given the situation on sordros. He's not waiting opportunistically, he's taking the opportunity to get his first reads in.

So frankly, with all your "content", you are missing the point. There are actually flipping tier and fuduzn votes flying around, who from the early game should have gotten some credit. You could look at them, but certainly not now.

Myko do you think Vyse is more likely to be scum than dave?

I don't like that Sordros has kind of just faded into the background now that there is no pressure on him any more. 112 stinks as well (which is his last post).

VOTE: Sordros

the sordros vote, the welcome for hawk. Considering the big post.

wee case.

happy holidays to everybody but shea alts.

[mykonian]

I've been falling asleep. This is not going well.

My vote's more symbolic than anything. Realistically, I don't expect a FuDuzn lynch. I know how this day is ending.

The BRantz wagon isn't really founded on anything. My best guess for the other scum is going to be between: TierShift, SB, and VysePresident.

An iffy early game and an opportunistic vote.

I don't want to have a second look on fuduzn today. We could talk about it tomorrow.

I think a cyrus/tth lynch is silly seen what has happened this game. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[mykonian]

Mykonian you confuse me... I feel like you are trying to pick fights with people, and then when they respond you give them a hug...

@Vyse: Agree that it isn't always pro-town, but attempting to get more information into the open is always going to feel more town than scum to me. Creating dialogue is the best way to do that, so it reads as townie to me.

As for the reasoning in FuDuzn's vote post, to me it feels like dave was trying to throw smoke with the omg scum could quicklynch post and FuDuzn is calling him out on that. This is the reasoning I like.

I never claimed cop. My post just had some weird formatting issues.

@Willow: Why lie just for the sake of doing so?

I also don't like dave bringing up a potential quicklynch as a reason people should unvote him. It neither defends himself from any of the allegations against him, nor does it try to interact with any other player in a meaningful way except to try to bully them into removing their vote.

these posts in particular.

[mykonian]

given the early game, I'd expect scum to be looking for some fences to sit on, yes. Brantz was one of them. Cyrus/you was another, dave was really awkward, willow doesn't get towncred for an early game gambit and I'd think he's the second scum. That's SB now. Vyse was pretty awkward as well.

Crucially Fuduzn was pretty good in that timespan, as was tier. Might be experience, might just be that they didn't have the shackles of being scum and went with the flow.

I don't mind cyrus per se after that, I think vyse/brantz/dave have much better cases on them, willow is scum for different reasons and might not be as interesting to look at just yet.

I don't know the English expression for it, but cyrus/you is like a lame duck? That's what google translate gives. Cyrus crucially isn't dave, but compared to vyse and brantz who have a habit of making opportunistic votes, there's little there. The bigger difference is that cyrus more or less flaked out and TTH is prophesising her own lynch. Ehm.

Pretty sure's todays lynchpool should be brantz-vyse-dave. But not fuduzn and tier for sure.

[mykonian]

okay, cool. Thank you.

[mykonian]

I don't know the English expression for it, but cyrus/you is like a lame duck? That's what google translate gives.

Can you give me the dutch expression?

I don't get your case on either of brantz or vyse. Could you give a 3 sentence max case on both?

"aangeschoten wild".

For either when the game was hectic they made posts that had as a purpose to wait out and see where things were going before stepping in. Both showed opportunistic votes afterwards. Vyse's last bunch is pretty obvious, brantz return to sordos after the vote on me wasn't viable is another example.

I don't get why other Dave is not up for lynch anymore. And I don't understand telltale's(btw, I love the adventure games you make) murderboner for me. He asks why people are town reading me, than when reasons are given he finds ways to poke holes in the reasoning......like he is making an effort to push his agenda.

Brantzs fence sitting from early on does bother me a bit more now, if we have to move off of other Dave I would prefer the lynch be between these two.

QFT

[mykonian]

Paraphrasing to see if I'm understanding that right.

BRantz and Vyse are scummy because they seem to be waiting to see what position is safe to take, and then are opportunistic.
You agree that TTH looks like she's pushing an agenda.
If the lynch isn't me, you'd prefer BRantz or TTH.

not quite.

First sentence is spot on. "BRantz and Vyse are scummy because they seem to be waiting to see what position is safe to take, and then are opportunistic." is exactly right. You probably said that better than I did.

I don't have as much as an opinion on TTH as I have an opinion of how the wagon on her formed. Also, while cyrus's early game was iffy, later one that didn't get followed up like brantz and vyse's.

If the lynch isn't brantz or vyse, I'd lynch you. You are awkward in many ways, could very well be scum, but I can't tell as well as with the first two. If you are town, I don't trust you too much to be a force for good, but that shouldn't be a reason for a lynch ideally. You seem to be trying.

[mykonian]

That is manipulation of what happened to suit your theory myko. I unvoted you after you finally decided you would play this game instead of actively hindering the rest of the town by being obtuse. I liked what your logic was, and changed to sordros; this was well after any wagon on him. The whole time I was on sordros I was the only one on sordros. Explain how that is an opportunistic vote?

Because it's on sordros. The one person some of us said might look scummy from reactions, which didn't work out.

It's hoping for a wagon to happen on him, because as a town we threw some shit at him and watched what happened. Anyone could have made that vote and it would have looked bad. But it happened to be one of the people who had a bad early game anyway.

[mykonian]

the opportunity lies in the voted person, not in the game state.

[mykonian]

*slow clap* we actually ran up the guy who looked town to extract a cop claim from him.

Post below makes vyse next.

Screw it, I want to lynch this.

I mean, just run the math. There's only a 5% chance we have a real Cop in the game, and then you can essentially divide that by nine for the chances of actually lynching that player.

FuDuzn is scum. Please lynch.

I'm counterclaiming, yeah.

TTH is town as FuDuzn's counterwagon, and there's no way he would mix up the subs here if they were buddies imo. Vyse is also probably town or a super busser, and Tier and Brantz's reactions to the claim make them both look worse.

Would lynch Brantz first over Tier tomorrow though.

Well that is unexpected. This game might get interesting after all. The case where fu flips town are obviously a bit boring (lynch SB see afterwards, plenty of stuff to see). Where he's scum though... I actually won't have to figure out stuff about that yet. I'd see you tomorrow.

[mykonian]

I think I agree with you from skimming fuduzn.

One thing to keep in mind is that fuduzn claimed knowing he'd get countered. He claimed a two letter-role, there would be a town knowing what was going on. Odds are he thinks he's confident we won't find his partner off him, maybe even someone who's doing well. So that's the caveat with the next posts.

Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

This is buddying sordros (prohawk). Knowing fuduzn's allignment, scum-town.
I don't think this and the next post you would do to your buddy, bussing like that.

Sordros, speaking of fence sitting.......why does it seem like you were looking for an excuse to unvote brantz? And who else would you consider voting?

Mykonian, why vyse?

Given that fuduzn is somewhat confident (given the claim and given the exactly way I misread him earlier, which is confidence related), this is a trail he's setting on purpose. Townpoints for vyse.

Why do I stink, Tier?

And if I and Sordros stink more than FuDunz, why are you voting him instead of one of us?

I really don't like these posts. Asking why someone thinks you are scummy and at the same time questioning their vote just makes my scumdar go crazy. You are just setting things up so you can discredit tiers argument.

Along with Cyrus, other Dave is clearly my top two scum reads. I really like tier for town, really promoting conversation and making sure everybody is contributing(hey, lay off me, I have been busy at work lol).

I like mykonian for town as well, his 156 seems well thought out and not forced.......and I feel bad for lynching him as the doc in a previous game

Willows claim doesn't seem legit to me, but still feels as if it had town motivation. I don't have as strong a town read on him but with a gun to the head I would say town.

Brantz seems to have a murderboner for Myko, which I don't get. Not sure if he has town or scum motivation with this.

These are the major reads I have. And I have the next couple days off of work, I will be a bit more active.

This would otherwise not look good for TTH. Something to keep in mind, but don't want tth right now obviously.

In retrospect my comment should have rang the alarms in my head, but then I'm a sucker for people buddying me (tip for next game, people).

Brantz looks scummy from this.

I don't get why other Dave is not up for lynch anymore. And I don't understand telltale's(btw, I love the adventure games you make) murderboner for me. He asks why people are town reading me, than when reasons are given he finds ways to poke holes in the reasoning......like he is making an effort to push his agenda.

Brantzs fence sitting from early on does bother me a bit more now, if we have to move off of other Dave I would prefer the lynch be between these two.

Brantzs fence sitting just jumped out at me more.

And am I hearing you correctly saying that you think telltale is trying to distance himself from me because we are scum buddies?

Still not looking good for brantz, vote's still outside, just talk.

Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

wow, dude. I have this crazy feeling you aren't going to lynch me this game.

I kinda want to know what this is about.

Heh, this was in reference to a previous game that had just been completed before this game where I pushed for mykos lynch even though he was claimeddoc(I believe?)........and I was town as well.

Going through his iso, I missed this before. I liked the way he was thinking here, was on the same line. It was a reference to last game where he lead a lynch against me despite a cop inno on me. It was an odd game. The lynch was not uncharacteristic, but scum was playing oddly. People who think alike tend not to lynch one another.

[mykonian]

Tier, remind me again why you don't want to vote other Dave?

didn't bother with this first go, but this seems scum-> town now as well.

[mykonian]

eh, call me tunneling. Or maybe I was right in my read on him before. I don't see a good reason why brantz doesn't fit with fuduzn, while I can think of one for vyse, and double plus for dave.

vote : brantz

[mykonian]

One thing to keep in mind is that fuduzn claimed knowing he'd get countered. He claimed a two letter-role, there would be a town knowing what was going on. Odds are he thinks he's confident we won't find his partner off him, maybe even someone who's doing well. So that's the caveat with the next posts.

This is simply not true; there could have been only 1-letter town roles.

odds?



He knew he was going to get countered.

[mykonian]

I mean, even just psychologically, if you fake to stay alive, you go for a 1 letter one. This was going balls deep.

I mean, you are free to believe otherwise, it's just a mindset you are trying to read from it and to apply that on his posts... there are so many rungs already between it that what info you might get is muddled.

[mykonian]

Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

This is buddying sordros (prohawk). Knowing fuduzn's allignment, scum-town.
I don't think this and the next post you would do to your buddy, bussing like that.

Sordros, speaking of fence sitting.......why does it seem like you were looking for an excuse to unvote brantz? And who else would you consider voting?

Mykonian, why vyse?

I don't get why this cannot be scum scum interactions.

Because I think I have a clue how fuduzn is as a player. If I had to guess, those would be what I read from those interactions. Sordros was under some heat back then, fuduzn was the first to support a voice against that wagon that was never going to end up being a lynch, he's scoring free townpoints with sordros. If it's his buddy, he doesn't have to make that post.

The second is an old tell that fuduzn would try to avoid if vyse was his buddy. He's experienced enough to worry about that.

[mykonian]

I'm gonna look how fu treats his buddy usually. I started at maneuver mafia that myko modded.
Subject: Micro 306: maneuver mafia - game over

And about farside, you are exactly right.......but way off. I do think he has been acting townie, but I don't get why he was so happy to vote me yet was also quick to unvote me once I got to L-1. Just something weird that I want on record for the future depending how flips may go.

More quotes incoming, probably.

oh crap now I'm supposed to have remembered that game...

damn you

[mykonian]

ah, yes. You guys are right.

[mykonian]

regarding meta, from that game I could fit it to tier here, but it's awkward. And I don't really want to go with tier

[mykonian]

In my 6 completed games here, I've been lynched 3 times. I've conditioned myself to be "accepting" of it; otherwise I would go insane. The game I linked was particularly slow and painful (hours before deadline). Getting lynched is always a bitter pill to swallow, so I just wanted to get it over with.

You're scumreading an attitude I've formed over the last 5 months of playing mafia.

I can vouch for such a situation being possible to arise. It's a dead end, vyse.

[mykonian]

mhmm. Lovely that it's in real numbers.

does it help?

[mykonian]

regarding meta, from that game I could fit it to tier here, but it's awkward. And I don't really want to go with tier

Why would that fit to me?

lets see if she finds the same. Could be fun.

[mykonian]

does this mean you'll join me?

please?

[mykonian]

I've just skimmed it again, some things came back to me. When TTH linked that I knew nothing (might not help that I tend to pick names for my games quite randomly lately)

[mykonian]

also, that's not an example of too easy. There's just a lot of stuff fitting with him, evidence piling up.

[mykonian]

join meeeee!!!!

[mykonian]

That post is pretty much describing my interaction with fuduzn. There's no such thing as an inexplicable townread though. Fuduzn's early game was characterised by saying what I would have wanted to say, as such it felt rather natural. He was one of the first to take the oddities of the early game and push in some other direction, which I will see as town. I guess it's easier to dodge for a more experienced player.

So the teaming up after that was pretty much all on me, I felt I had a person with a similar mindset in the game with me (and I see that as town).


As for the game being out of touch/tunneling, that's what you could read into 156 as well. I have trouble getting my thought accross because you are hunting with a different style. Like, I've explained what I dislike about you and brantz, where it comes from, but you don't see that as a way to catch scum.

And there's some awkward stuff. Say I say brantz has been rather itchy about people attacking him. It's a fine line between town being annoyed and scum being concerned for themselves. The second would have a little more interest in responding to vague accusations. You could for example make half a tell out of always replying if your name is mentioned in a post. Brantz is going that way, but it's a judgement call, I'm not going to post about it. It's not an argument made out of facts, which MS likes. Otoh, it's also pretty easy to get into a tunnel that way, there's quite a bit of positive feedback available in that loop.

So yes, I've restated my reads a bunch in this thread. That's because they didn't actually change all that much. The only biggish change was that cyrus left the pool of possible scum through the way the wagon evolved, I didn't like that, and put that out there. As for you and brantz, no big events before the lynch actually involved you. Same for tier, fuduzn, prohawk. Up till the claim, this went for willow/SB. What you can read into 156 is that I have a lynchpool of half the game and I want to sift from that. By the end of the day I've sifted one fully, one halfway.


New day new chances though. A scumlynch gives a lot of new info, reads are out there.

[mykonian]

btw, did some more reading. Brantz basically avoids fuduzn after slightly sheeping him with dave early. Prohawk explicitly calls him town here and there.

[mykonian]

boo

you guys

[mykonian]

it's quite funny to watch prohawk be annoyed about the fuduzn lynch

Also, since you are quickly reaching a consensus already: sorry guys, you are wrong. I'm the other seeking mason. Go do some actual scumhunting in stead of finding someone who believed fuduzn was town.

[mykonian]

Well, there goes all my theory of TTH being the other Mason.

I guess I can see where I went wrong, but at least tell me why you acted like you believed FuDuzn's Cop claim? Was it the Town equivalent of 'distancing'?

I believed it up till the SB counter, then I didn't delete the previous quotes I had made and just posted them. I suspect that's where your annoyance came from, the first part of that post was already outdated. I make my posts while I'm reading


TTH, now that you are here, do you believe prohawk is scumslipping in the last page?

[mykonian]

I don't know, you have to ask him...

[mykonian]

happens quite often, get used to it.

shit vote is shit.

vote: hawkie

[mykonian]

eh, tried that. Didn't work. Now I'm just voting scum.

[mykonian]

dude.

really?

[mykonian]

aww yeah I rock at page breaks.

[mykonian]

hmm, it might be fun to sheep tth and see if she can just replace in a shit slot, then pick out both scum and win the game.

[mykonian]

Your posts are too long.

And can you imagine the storyline if we lynch you and you are the second scum? It'd be amazing. Would you really deny her that? You aren't going to win anyway.

[mykonian]

see, see!

[mykonian]

that's why I'm voting you!

[mykonian]

didn't he have a cosy fence?

[mykonian]

I knew you guys would take my side inevitably <3

vote; brantz

[mykonian]

heh, that was not intentional

vote:brantz

[mykonian]

Before I actually read this post and respond to it I must say that I completely forgot about dave.

I didn't.

[mykonian]

I was going to make a post last night but I fell asleep instead.

It's still TierShift, though.

tomorrow maybe?

[mykonian]

Regarding tomorrow. Don't be stupid. Don't lynch dave. Don't lynch TTH. Think twice before lynching vyse. If it's not brantz, we have enough likely town to close out this game, unless people start forgetting earlier reads.

[mykonian]

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[mykonian]

Bless.

Glad I got something right this game.

[mykonian]

that goes for the ++ variants though, kind of is the appeal of the setup.

[mykonian]

don't, he'll be scum again.