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In post 31, TellTaleHeart wrote:Not really, more like random voting stage post position. Xayzeck voted Pine and was the third vote on the wagon in Post 14. What was Xayzeck's purpose here? Was it a pressure vote? If so, it kind of sucks since the wagon's built on pillars on sand and likely to crumble anyway, not giving much pressure. There's a few explanations, but I think one is slightly more likely than the others. The style of Xayzeck's post imitates the style of xRECKONERx's Post 12 and Huntress' Post 11: short vote posts without reason. He made the post to blend in.
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In post 47, Dry-fit wrote:Not reaaaaally seaing the case on Xayzeck though I understand where it's coming from and have seen that from scum before.
So shouldn't you think I'm scum?GMT+8-
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In post 52, Dry-fit wrote:I've seen it from scum but I don't think it can only come from scum.
So you're saying that town can fit in too, or that me joining the Pine wagon could have other motivations, town motivations, BESIDES trying to fit in?GMT+8-
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We actually played together pretty recently.
Reasons for which vote?GMT+8-
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In post 74, Jingle wrote:I find your cases uncompelling. If Dry Fit is not scum, who else do you suspect?
Above post was responding to thisGMT+8-
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In post 126, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 125, xRECKONERx wrote:I have a light scum read on ++--
So does everyone else in this game. Get in line.
Rather surprising he hasn't been lynched yet thenGMT+8-
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In post 140, TellTaleHeart wrote:More surprising to me is how there's no takers for the IC-blessed wagon. Instead, they opted to make their move on ++--.
I don't see what's wrong with thatGMT+8-
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In post 142, Jingle wrote:I know xay and I'm pretty sure we can figure each other out eventually. I'll get back to you once I've got a read on him.
I think the "figure each other out eventually" only works one way, because I've never had a game where I managed to nail you perfectly so I can't confidently say I'll sort you out sooner or laterGMT+8-
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In post 156, TellTaleHeart wrote:I have yet to see anything resembling a ++-- case.
Coming from someone who said the Huntress push was bad, why are you requesting for a case 6 pages into the game? You're not gonna get anything particularly useful with 6 pages of content.GMT+8-
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In post 175, TellTaleHeart wrote:Yeah, sorry not going to let you get away with that.
You'll drive town to a scumwin of you've resorted to pushes like this.GMT+8-
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In post 184, ++-- wrote:#183 is horrible AND scummy. All other Xay posts seemed horrible in a not-particularly-scummy way. Not so sure what to think...
You're also still scum.
Town is blind.GMT+8-
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In post 170, Jingle wrote:Xay, talk to me about +. Talk to me about Pine. Talk to me about Dry-Fit. How have these reads evolved. What are you thinking. What about me? What do you think about me. I might be able to get behind this lynch. We'll see.
+ is scum, if you disagree I can elaborate on a few posts for you.
Pine used to be scum, now I'm not as sure.
Dryfit is a leantown, mostly gut. I also have a townread on Huntress, so that kinda has Pine as PoEscum too.GMT+8-
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In post 216, Jingle wrote:That looks a lot like faked ignorance to me.
ignorance to what? the incoming deadline?GMT+8-
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In post 216, Jingle wrote:Actually,
VOTE: Xayzeck
That looks a lot like faked ignorance to me. Like, there's no way that's legitimate.
if you wanna vote me for deadline reasons that's cool too
but you wanna look justifiedGMT+8-
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In post 249, Huntress wrote:Vote: Xayzeck
In post 241, Pine wrote:Not the votes themselves, per se, but your reasoning and timing have felt quite a bit off. It's a common scum assertion that, just because they've voted scummy people, that that automatically makes their reasons scummy. It ain't true
I haven't gotten much significant vibe from Xayzeck. Sell me on why he's scummy?
That second sentence doesn't make sense. What did you actually mean there?
As for Xay, it's just a gut feeling, as I said earlier.
Not as blind
In post 247, Dry-fit wrote:In post 237, Jingle wrote:Is that dissonance painful.
Yeah. I'm kind of antsy to see a flip to see where to go from here.
Vote: Xayzeck.
Could be scum
Scum
Because there is significant case on me being scum, and you guys should be competent enough to realise that.
At worst, I'm apathetic town, and best I'm lurkytown.
I've pushed 0 scum motivation. Don't be dumb.
VOTE: Jingle
And you can make way better pushes like that if you cared about solving this game, which you clearly don't since you're pushing me, therefore you're scum.
Not rocket science, guys.GMT+8-
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In post 254, Jingle wrote:I see 0 town motivation in any of your posts. This reminds me of a game we played, where you were wax and Wisdom dropped off of the radar. Lemme look once more at your alignment in that game? Oh yeah...
Of course you don't, you're scum
Failure to point out scum motivation also noted
What exactly about my play reminds you if a game I played a year ago? My meta has changed since that game, good try though.GMT+8-
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In post 261, Jingle wrote:What exactly is hard to understand about surface level reads and going with the flow being scum motivated? I don't have to explain things that are obvious.
In post 252, Xayzeck wrote:And you can make way better pushes like that if you cared about solving this game, which you clearly don't since you're pushing me, therefore you're scum.
Back at ya, buddy. Have we had the discussion about hypocrisy as a scumtell? I thought I mentioned it to you back when you were a newbie. Ah well, you're projecting your own behavior onto me and calling it scummy.
I remember enough about your meta to remember you being apathetic as fuck as scum, and your own wiki seems to support me by telling me you're more interested in playing as town.
Your apathy and lack of presence is exactly what I expect from scum-you here. You tried to let the thread apathy foster until deadline, pushed a deadline lynch, and then realized you're boned when the game revealed itself to be independent of deadlines. Sorry, Xay. I love you and I love playing with you, but this time you drew scum and I caught you.
Actually this time I drew town I'm just not doing my same townplay
It's not about hypocrisy, unless I'm misunderstanding you. I am pretty apathetic as scum, yeah, and I am more motivated in games as town, but I am town and you're reading me solely on meta right now, AFAIK, and I'm telling you right now that you're reading me wrong
Because I am town, regardless of whether I fit your interpretation of my scummeta
I was busy with RL, and when I came back it was deadline, and I forgot it was nightless so I just moved to a compromise wagon.
Where is the scum? Spell this out for me JingleGMT+8-
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In post 268, TellTaleHeart wrote:The pointedness doesn't seem genuine, and hasn't all game.
hm?GMT+8-
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In post 274, goodmorning wrote:In post 271, TellTaleHeart wrote:On the other hand there's a part of me that wants to turn this wagon around and lynch Huntress.
goodmorning, what's you opinion of her?
Wildly flipflopping.
Why not Pine again?
What's the Huntress scumcaseGMT+8-
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In post 291, ++-- wrote:You certainly have great skills at not presenting a case.
It's called being lazy
Doesn't take a case to see you're scum thoughGMT+8-
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In post 292, Huntress wrote:What gave me that impression was Xay's switch to Pine at the end of Day one.
associative before a flip?
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Jingle's recent stance on Pine sucks
Huntress' stance on Pine also sucks
I think we could be dealing with Jingle/Huntress/Pine, but then ++-- isn't there so something is wrong.
It could just be that Pine is lynchbaity right now so Jingle and Huntress both want to lynch him to some degree but are going with their compromise right now, or they're both town and Pine is scum trying to lurk through while get lynched
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Jingle is scum, because it doesn't take a lynch to notice how weak his push is on me. He's calling me scum off my scum-meta from a year ago?
Even if it were applicable, I've played like this as town as well. I could pull a game up for you where I did literally nothing but got townread for it.
Also since he's started the tunnel, his stances on other players have been super limited, and when they do appear they're mostly on the fence.
I'm willing to bet Jingle scum is playing it this way:
Xay isn't putting in much effort, I could push it as scummy and use his scummeta, since he says it himself that he's more interested as town than scum, like in his wiki. My previous games where he is scum back this up, so he can't refute the point about "meta only works if you play with me". After that, when he flips town, I won't get as much heat, because:
a) Everybody saw him as scummy, not just me
b) Even if he did nail any scum, he'd get brushed off because he didn't explain his reads a lot so everything he says will likely be ignored
c) Since he's pretty lynchbaity, everybody on the wagon could just be mislead town on a town-who-is-scummy wagon and I could slip by
I could push that for a lot of people, but I think it fits Jingle most since:
a) He's played with me the most probably, and I think he understands my meta fairly well
b) He's the only one who's yelling for my lynch
I think ++-- is scum because most of his analysis/reads he has shared don't seem to look much into alignment/feel really superficial and he's just trying to look like an active contributor to discussion
I think Huntress is kinda town based of Jinglescum's early push on her, but I don't have a big impression on her. I don't have much of a read on Dryfit and Pine either, but I'm leaning Pinescum over Dryfit. These three are like nulltown/nullscum kinda reads.GMT+8-
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In post 294, Jingle wrote:He didn't need to say anything here. But he is. He's trying to find out why people think the way they do, and yet he's still holding true to his read. He's not going where the wind may take him, but actually taking a stance and fighting for his reads.
Although, looking at that last one again, he might be a Xay partner.
Stuff like this, with Jinglescum, strongly suggests Pine is his scumbuddy as opposed to potential mislynch.GMT+8-
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In post 324, goodmorning wrote:ugh i don't know if i want to hammer xay now
Yoi should ask Jingle to repeat his scumcase eh that'll be handyGMT+8-
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Me putting less effort than normal is not indicative of my alignment, I just don't feel particularly motivated to play mafia in general. My activity sidewide is this way.
I'm interested, do you have reasons for Xayscum without meta? How convinced are you without comparisons to how I play as town/scum.GMT+8-
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In post 343, pisskop wrote:I read and I want to lynch Pine. Xay would be for information or progress, but he's not screaming town either.
What about ++-- or Jingle?GMT+8-
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In post 349, Jingle wrote:The case started as a meta observation, but your reaction was decidedly not town. It's noted that you're about to try to convince me you're not scum.
No, I'm trying to tell you your read on me is shit, and because it's shit I think you're scum.
Maybe you could elaborate on this reaction thingGMT+8-
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In post 363, TellTaleHeart wrote:If he flips town, my bet's on Jingle, Huntress, and pisskop.
I'm not too sure about Huntress and pisskop, can you share why?GMT+8-
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304 - Because I have never OMGUS'd as town? Pretty damn sure that was how I used to catch scum about a year+ ago
309 - Where exactly did I give you the impression I was careful as town, and careless as scum? Anyway I thought that scum would choose a NK target during the day, and kill inbetween the dayphases, but I was mistaken, so that was why I wanted to lynch before the night.GMT+8-
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In post 363, TellTaleHeart wrote:If Xay flips scum, my bet's on ++-- and Pine.
If he flips town, my bet's on Jingle, Huntress, and pisskop.
Just need that flip now.
WAIT
so if I'm town
++-- and Pine are town?
WHATGMT+8-
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In post 370, Xayzeck wrote:In post 363, TellTaleHeart wrote:If Xay flips scum, my bet's on ++-- and Pine.
If he flips town, my bet's on Jingle, Huntress, and pisskop.
Just need that flip now.
WAIT
so if I'm town
++-- and Pine are town?
WHAT
HI TTH HIGMT+8-
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