Micro 508: MafiaMafiaNotMafia (Bins' Soup Sucks)

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anyways dragonite is the best of the three dragons here so my group is the one with three townies, any counterarguments to this point?

garchomp and salamence have both been banned to Ubers before

dragonite may be my favorite, but "best" is an

adamant

claim

eh? EH?!

vote bins

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oh yeah that was a game that happened

31 is dumb enough to not just be scum faking an RVS read. probably.

similarly, 6 seems too easy to be a scumslip or anything so

anyway bins still scum

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too easy to be a scumslip

odd
phrasing
but
ok

I realized how that could be taken after I posted it

but you know what I mean

am i genuinely curious as to "why"

no, you're not

pedit: because reasons.

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Where's the "slip" pie?

"as I was saying" could insinuate pregame chat of some sort

i wasn't confused about the "slip" part

i got that

it was the "too easy"

see above

do math

i don't see how you could have a reason, actually

eh, don't worry about it

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I'd call Parama scum over TIP personally
Not_Mafia scum most likely from that group
and Bins for mine

currently think NotMaf/Lucky/Edo is the all-town group tho

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Bins, by "worse" do you mean I'm scummier or that I'm bad

if the former, why aren't you voting me?

pedit - :|

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oh I didn't read your next post so

yeah, why aren't you voting me

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oh and FUN FACT TIME

I've actually been scumreading RainbowCat this whole time and was just pushing on Bins for no reason just to be sure

but hey, now I have more to go on

unvote

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yeah so PlotCat's catchup just looks like a lot of IIoA which makes my eyes glaze over every single time

reads explained:
- Bins I wanted to pressure to see her reaction to my baseless read, and I'm not sure how to read it... I'm currently leaning town though
- Cat's first post (19 pinged me as scum. lack of vote, instead an FoS @ Bins, commenting on a few things in a generic 'scum faking involvement' fashion, and mainly the comment about NM being 'fluffy' ~14 posts into the game. 'sides, to NM's credit, he did comment that TIP's entrance was bad, so I don't even think that's particularly fluffy.
- I could see Parama being aggressive-scum. I don't think chamber is scum and Parama's reaction to chamber's push on him is eh. And also Parama pushing chamber for an arguably bad reason doesn't help sway that.
- admittedly TIP needs to post more, but I'm null-town on him for now. mostly due to gut and my leaning scumread on Parama.
- The last group is the hardest one for me to sort. Edo is town because of the aforementioned 'too scummy to be scum' argument that I know everyone loves, plus a general town attitude. Lucky's leaning town because even though I disagree with his push on Edo, I think it has town conviction. plus his reaction to Parama calling him 'dumb town' seems genuine (I mean, it could be fake-able, I just don't think it is). NM I can see going either way, so he's

most likely

scum, but something about his play seems town. I'd like a general reads list from him though.

disclaimer - I know there's a lot of 'this didn't happen when I made my earlier readspost' stuff in there but I had to do quick-ISOs to remind myself of stuff.

I know this is a little early but

[@mod] - I'm V/LA every Friday and Saturday (long/late work days), as per sig. I'll probably keep reminding you every week, unless you say I don't need to.

@players - My SO's sister is coming into town Thursday -> Tuesday so my activity level will be low for the next week or so.

vote Unicat

1v1 bish

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oops.

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oh, is bins voting uni?

unvote

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she unvoted in 131

so it's fine

vote unicat

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I mean if I'm wrong on Unicat

and

Parama I still think that last group is all-town

so

like, if TIP and Bins are both scum and both want to hammer, I'm kind of okay with that

yeah yeah, something something pie is trying to set up lynches blah blah something, I'm just thinking out loud here.

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100% sure either chamber or parama is scum

bravo

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vague order of scum->town reads on the lucky/edo/NM group, go

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anyways pie, my reasoning for chamber is arguably bad, apparently, so argue with me why it's bad.

your argument seems to boil down to scum doing something in another run of this setup, thus chamber is scum for suggesting those things.

not only do I find that kinda forced, but the general post does come off as nitpicking.

I reread 145 though and that feels more town now, but effort =/= town so idk. maybe TIP and you are slightly closer in townie-ness now.

However, a lot of his issues with ploti-cat are play-style: trust me, this is her 'tryharding' as town.

I gave way more reasoning for disliking this hydra's first post of the game - which was yours, no?

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*anon -> Unicat

habit.

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i have coasted in so many games as scum because i'm almost always capable of putting in effort and people write me off as town for that, it's hilarious

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by the way pie's my strongest townread atm

[paranoia intensifies]

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to be fair I said their group is most likely to be all town.

I think.

I mean obviously we lynch the most likely scum in that group regardless because I can be wrong, so

I've heard this before and I think it might just be something about the way I use language because

I feel like I'm taking stances in every sentences I type

. I think most of what I write can be boiled down to "this person just wrote a town post" or "that person just wrote a scum post" or "what's the message you're conveying i still don't know what you're saying".

116 - all useless except a waffle read on NM's 16
117 - waffle-y edo read, light townread on me, everything else useless
118 - townread on parama, not much else
119 - actually a few reads
120 - reconfirm lucky read, other posts useless

then parama iso and a reads list

but most of that is information, and definitely not 'taking a stance on each post'.

one of you two gets to answer 181 btw. I said PlotCat's catchup was IIoA and my eyes glazed over (that was a bitch to do that dissection above btw) but then launched into multiple reasons why their early post gave me a scumread on them (despite pushing Bins instead for ~reactions~). and then I got misrepped by BellaCat, "most of my issues are with Plot's playstyle". Despite BellaCat making the post I went into detail on.

I'm really interested in hearing a reason for that response.

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did not have time to get to this last night because aforementioned SO's sister visiting shenanigans

so I'm just gonna continue being V/LA until I can catch up Sunday

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mmm.

I know effort isn't pro-town as I said earlier but I really don't see a reason for scum-PlotCat to put in that much effort to paint themselves as town when Bins is already scumreading me

... that's annoying.

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bleh

other reads haven't really changed except maybe a slight scum lean on TIP based off of gut/recent posts

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I'm probably getting lynched today

really can't decide if Unicat or Bins is scum. I want to lean Bins for that one Plot post but...

@Bella-Cat

, wanna explain 181 please

because Plot-head addressed specifics of my problems with the first post, but did not address why you misrepped me here.

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one of you two gets to answer 181 btw. I said PlotCat's catchup was IIoA and my eyes glazed over (that was a bitch to do that dissection above btw) but then launched into multiple reasons why their early post gave me a scumread on them (despite pushing Bins instead for ~reactions~). and then I got misrepped by BellaCat, "most of my issues are with Plot's playstyle". Despite BellaCat making the post I went into detail on.

yeah so PlotCat's catchup just looks like a lot of IIoA which makes my eyes glaze over every single time

reads explained:

- Cat's first post (19 pinged me as scum. lack of vote, instead an FoS @ Bins, commenting on a few things in a generic 'scum faking involvement' fashion, and mainly the comment about NM being 'fluffy' ~14 posts into the game. 'sides, to NM's credit, he did comment that TIP's entrance was bad, so I don't even think that's particularly fluffy.

I told her to use hurt tags instead of vote because we didn't understand the setup or whether it was safe to vote yet.

Both heads of this hydra have trouble telling when things are literal and when things are joking and we both find jokes confusing. Like we can get as far as "someone's using sarcasm here maybe" and then we get stuck. Why are they saying something that isn't true? If someone is claiming scum in RVS is that haha just serious or haha just kidding? We can't tell. I always scumread someone who says they're conftown unless there is modconfirmation.

We both find the first few pages of games to be overwhelming incomprehensible noise. We both tend to scumread people for overly jokey entrances into games but we know that's not alignment indicative for not_mafia.

This is the last micro I sign up for. Micro games seem to condense all of the parts of the game that I don't understand into one piece and then the game is over before we get to the part where I know how to play.

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yeah so PlotCat's catchup just looks like a lot of IIoA which makes my eyes glaze over every single time

reads explained:

- Cat's first post (19 pinged me as scum. lack of vote, instead an FoS @ Bins, commenting on a few things in a generic 'scum faking involvement' fashion, and mainly the comment about NM being 'fluffy' ~14 posts into the game. 'sides, to NM's credit, he did comment that TIP's entrance was bad, so I don't even think that's particularly fluffy.

Ugh, even though Pie is voting for us, his recent posting looks really town-y. Especially the unvoting. However, a lot of his issues with ploti-cat are play-style: trust me, this is her 'tryharding' as town.

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because both my groupmates are 'scumleaning' me and I can't decide which of them is scum

and whichever one is scum will have no trouble voting me, and if they're both town, me being undecided is probably just making them paranoid

so

also:

i find pie really "searchy" and awkward and like he gets a step ahead of himself only to find he doesn't have any proof to justify his actions

I take offense to this

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you know I'm actually considering the possibility of our group being all town.

that's annoying.

but I'll wait until Cat responds to think about this game more.

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I think TIP is the best lynch for group 2, even though my gut tells me Parama is scum. it's like being in a room with Hitler and your worst enemy from high school and you have a gun - you really want to shoot your high school nemesis but you probably should just shoot Hitler because it'd be better in the long run if you did.

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NM is the best lynch for group 3, mostly by PoE

I'm slightly more okay with being lynched today if it means those two get lynched as well

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I may not have thought through the implications of that comparison

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PlotCat, if I'm doing the opposite of what "scum me" would do, then why are you still voting me?

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A lot of your posts to me are reading as if you know I'm town but you're still voting me/think I'm scum.

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Nevermind, I know what your response is gonna be.

Dumb question.

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Edo should probably switch votes imo.

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unvote

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I have a post saved but I'm going to wait on Bins before I say anything.

Anyone else want to help me sort my group?

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hi bins

how's things

also who's scum I guess

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Fuck it.

vote unicat

VLA til Sunday. On mobile but if day isn't over by tomorrow ish I'll post that post i have saved.