Micro 528: Double Day Unlimited -- Game Over

[OhGodMyLife]

Yay the game started!

...on the day I have a D&D session and then the first game of the Saints season is on. See you later!

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I solemnly swear I will not abuse the multivote and make NS's life harder.

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I solemnly swear I will not multipost again later even though I'm going to be MORE day drunk then than I already am now. Who dat!

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I got kiiiind of messed up today because the Saints were screwing the pooch. 4-12 year here we come. 6-10 maybe. Drunk readthrough time!

I'm not planning to ever vote more than two people at a time.

This first page is GREAT. Everyone who posted on it except for lane is town.

Vote: lane0168

The second page confirms again that lane is scum and kyndy is town. Davsto is still a question mark here but I'm giving you the side eye so step it up. Help vedith are those post numbers in 44? Please use the bbcode to link to posts! idk how lucky arrived are his initial conclusions and reads they're like the complete opposite of mine to this point so you get side eye too sir. Don't like the pileup on Luna she is town. Lucky attacking her style of townhunting over scumhunting is bunk. Also I think that's lucky the game theorist disagreeing with luna the game theorist and probably not actually scummy, but it's still bunk. Town hunting is how we are going to win this game so let her do it. I hate vedith's vote because it is piggybacking off of lucky's bunk game theory reasoning. THAT is actually scummy.

Vote: Vedith

Of course, lane following in the footsteps of this is just as bad, but I'd feel weird voting one person and not another for it, so I'm just gonna FoS both of you and move on.

^^^^^^ lane's scumpartner if vedith doesn't flip scum yeah

I'm seriously not interested in the rest of this page of back and forth between two people and will not be reading it in detail.

OK my drunk gut has already figured out enough for tonight.

Scum(my): lane, vedith, maybe davsto
Town forever: luna, firebringer, kyndy, probably lucky rabbit

lane is seriously so scum look at 112 that is the scummiest scum post.

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Yes yes it was. My gut hath spoken.

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The first two game posts are the towniest of all. You guys towned so hard this game will be used in future mafiascum academy classes on how to town. Kyndy is pretty much tone. But the whole page is a giant obvtownfest except lane sticking out like a sore scum thumb.

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pabs I didn't sort you because you hadn't posted anything but a promise of future content to that point

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I almost want to vote Vedith.

He kind of is usually easy mislynch bait though in games tbh.

Details on this post please.

What makes you almost want to vote vedith.

Why does vedith being an easy mislynch bait (according to you) make you hesitate if you see reasons to vote him?

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pabs I didn't specify lane's "false dichotomy" yesterday but I did call out 112 being a scumtastic post. Your further analysis is correct.

Unvote: Vedith

Something funky is going on with how people got on board with my vedith hate so fast. Luna is still town forever.

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Firebringer loses his town forever status as of right now

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Vote: Firebringer

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pablito very clearly stated why he did not place a vote on lane and Firebringer is just looking for any way he can find to undermine pabs

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Firebringer is also far too concerned with undermining any town reads anyone is drawing on anybody, at this point. How about you focus more on scum hunting (or town hunting) yourself instead of just insisting everything everyone else is reading people for is null, eh?

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I'm pretty sure we can win this thing day one by lynching lane and firebringer

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In my opinion, you don't vote people just because you don't townread them, you vote them because you scumread them. Sure, your thing works for you but not for everyone, hence why I only vote people who I scumread a decent amount.

I'd appreciate if you'd talk more about your scumreads in this game and less about your theoretical disagreements

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Fire is just trying to pour cold water on every town read he sees, and this game is going to be won by proper townreads more than it is by proper scumreads.

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I don't really understand what you're saying about roles in discussion or the role I'm placing on myself. I'm not placing any role on myself, I'm voting for scum and calling out townreads.

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Somebody hammer this squirming fence sitting scum please

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pablito made some pretty good concrete points about what was wrong with 112, as for me its all gut baby.

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This isn't a tunnel either. You need to reevaluate what you think tunneling is. Yes my read on lane has stated consistent (he is continuing to be scummy after all) but it is so far from the only thing I'm focused on that I don't even really know how you thought you could get away with calling this tunneling with a straight face.

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Stayed* consistent goddamn phone posting

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Fire are you still townreading Luna at this point?

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Unvote: Firebringer

I dont love this scumread anymore.

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I'm going back to my drunk conclusion that the first two game posts are obv town fire and Luna are in the town block

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The best way to make scum resort to an OMGUS vote is by not explaining how you know they are scum

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I find it hard to believe you joined this site in 2011 and have never played in a game where someone relies on their gut before.

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I don't even do it exclusively (as you know since I didn't really do much of this in open 600) but there are players who do practically nothing but trust gut and rarely respond to requests for reasons.

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Dude, what? You say you don't find anyone who believes in a gut read this strongly town. So I say well, town does this sometimes so... And to that you snark that I'm saying gut reads MUST be town?

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More lane votes please

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I'm actually quite focused on getting a big enough town block to POE this game to a town victory right now in addition to my focus on lynching you. We get 4 lynches to 1 nightkill so if we can successfully form a five strong town block we win.

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LOL kyndy its an open setup there are only vanilla and mafia

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When obvscum are obvious they become easier to lynch. That's a poor line of defense right there.

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Define "too easy" and then please elucidate with whatever (anecdotal) evidence you have though, to back up that blanket statement.

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Also that only explains your vote for me and not your vote for vedith who is not involved with the lane sh*t at all. So...? Scum driven by just me then, in your theory?

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That is kind of impressive that fire's post snuck in their in between lane's double post

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I didn't want to say it before the hammer but if he is scum I'm calling lucky as the second scum right now

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Yes old double bus / double distancing, it was strong with those two

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Shhh just wait for the mod to come tell us what you are you're not supposed to be talking anymore

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Actually I agree with the push for vedith at this point

Vote: Vedith

I still think kyndy is town.

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Meh I know there's no way to convince anyone of this but form townblocs is the best strategy for this game and I was planning to pursue it from the time I signed up. My meta history is also rife with town hunting as a preferred tactic, but I don't really expect anyone to go fact checking on my almost ten years of site history (plus my alt with I think still even more game posts than this account).

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Fair enough I actually hate meta but I also don't like getting suspicion for doing a) the best thing I could be doing to help town win and b) something I do all the time regardless.

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Like I understand the fear of letting a crafty scum slip into the townbloc but that's always going to be the danger of forming townblocs so...

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#250 -
#279 - Really? You didn't even try and push another wagon and you say this? Your only vote was an RVS, right?
#280 - Reasons?
#284 - What I don't like about this is that most Mondays I post a lot less and considering the amount of games we have had together I expect you may have noticed this, or even noticed my less activity on the site as a whole. Using this as a reason for me being scum is what makes me scum tell on you.

#135 /#152/#176 - No vote on him at all day 1.

#282/#315 - So did you think of me as scum in the first post?

VOTE: FireBringer
VOTE: Luna Fox
You both see each other as town too, right?

You all know that I think Luna is scum anyway.

Reposting with hotlinks to post numbers for myself and anyone else who doesn't feel like hunting to figure out what vedith is getting at.

I'm still not getting that warm town feeling I was hoping to get from pablito. Like, nothing is specifically standing out as scummy right now, but nothing is really townie either. And I remember from recent experience how convincing pabs is as a wallposting scum.

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[post] is the bbcode for it, just put the tags around the post number and voila!

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I can't really put my kyndy read into words but she is in my top 3 townreads still. Her posts feel right somehow, and even more than that the way people are calling her out or pushing against her smells scummy and opportunistic to me.

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Unvote: Vedith

I still think Vedith is probably scum but there is more that needs to be discussed before this day completely ends. Big difference between the first and second lynch of each day in this game.

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I kind of hate how firebringer didn't actually seem to put a lot of effort into derailing the lane wagon, and completely lampshaded the fact that he was so obviously grabbing townie brownies for calling his townflip in advance. I don't know if I've ever gotten such townread > scumread > townread > scumread whiplash from anybody before.

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He didn't really try that hard to derail it imo that's what I'm saying

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It was more like oh this mislynch is happening without my help let me grab all the town points I can

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Fire's response right now was super duper salty too, which is not really a town response

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I'm not blaming you for the lynch. The lynch was very clearly not done by you. But your response to it happening is what I'm going back to now and souring on. Grabbing the credit for calling lane as town, and angling to use the lynch for your push on me.

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And fire can you elaborate on why you've retracted your lucky vote?

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So fire, you have a history of crazed ad hominem outbursts?

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Also appeal to emotion. Also an absurd overreaction to one vote.

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Vote: Firebringer

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Maturity level over 9000

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You could try engaging with pablito's post instead of having a tantrum if you want to be helpful.

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Specifically:

@FB - Tell me again what your intention was on telling me that I was not voting Lane. What were your thoughts about Lane or Me in that comment?

Yes, FB voted a few on the wagon, but it seemed to be a very, very superficial action to potentially show the follow-up from FB's action to "derail" the wagon. The follow-up does not feel consistent or genuine to that original intent of derailment.

I see that FB mentioned opportunism on kyndy's wagon - but again, no follow-through.

These are three very salient points I'd like to see you actually respond to.

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@pabs:

The urgency was that I had a strong scum read and I'm naturally trigger happy, plus this day doesn't end after one lynch. At that point I was feeling like I couldn't go forward without lane's flip, eg my now busted theory that lane and lucky were distancing.

I still feel you could easily be doing everything you're doing as scum because you're analytical and highly proficient at this game, but fire scum pretty much clears you imo

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"Take my ball and go home" is also not a town move

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Luna what do you think of fire's absolute refusal to explain himself in any way regarding pablito's points against him?

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The attempt to "stop" that mislybch was never ever going to succeed based on the fact that he was at L-1 with two additional players ready to vote him. So the scum motivation is to look like town for calling the lynch a bad lynch ahead of time.

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Lucky is still someone I'm waffling on. That was the least strong town read even from the get go. I feel at this point that lucky has been seeming pretty town but I'm a little uneasy about how closely his votes and suspicions have been tracking my own.

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Also pretty much fire never actually gave a specific reason for thinking lane would flip town aside from the baseless "lynch too easy" which is just a setup so he has grounds to pursue votes against lane voters. Votes which he still has not backed up with analysis that pablito has repeatedly requested from him.

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You're deluding yourself if you think that was an impossible scum move

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I'd rather prove you wrong here and not lynch you...

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I'll be on limited access for the weekend, flying out of town for a wedding

Noted. ~~NS

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...this new generation is not super great at dealing with adversity, huh

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I'm back from my trip, caught a super duper terrible illness but I will do my best to get back up to speed tonight! I've got some irl work duties I need to attend to first unfortunately. Stupid work. Stupid responsibility. I hates it!

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This has to take a backseat to real life until tonight for me, I'm dealing with the aftermath of a break-in at the restaurant I manage right now. :/

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They really fucked my whole point of sale terminal right up though, assholes.

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And the beautiful 100 year old hardwood floors now have a series of nasty gouges where the brick skipped across them.

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But the cash register they stole was actually empty because, like, obviously no restaurant keeps cash in the drawer overnight. I wish I could be there to watch them crowbar that sucker open and find out they're risking jail for no payoff.

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Wow what is actually going on here

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Sal you replaced Luna right? I'm glad you're in the towniest town slot.

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pablito gets the side eye hard right now for letting fire off the hook and opportunistically pouncing on me

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This is what multi voting is for right?

Vote: pablito

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Opportunistic in that I was afk and you managed to whip up a L-1 wagon in my absence

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Vote: lucky

pabs too obvious

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Unvote: Fire

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so it'd not give us much information to lynch Lucky.

this is the scumpartner tell of the century

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Wait did we? Its whatever but thats what I get for phone posting.

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Sala slash Luna was still the most obv town. I understand if y'all feel the need to lynch me today and would request if that is what you're feeling that I be lynched first.

Vote: pablito

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Lynch pablito next do not follow him down the self serving "davsto was not bussed" rabbit hole

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169 only happened because I drew it put of him in 164/165. Please account for this in all "OGML is scum" theories as you will have to defend lynching me once it is done.

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100% promise if you guys just follow pabs' plan you're looking at a firebringer nk and a very hairy vedith/lucky/pablito three player lylo

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The ideal is lynching scum today and never seeing lylo

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I'm saying pablito is putting forward a lynch plan that has zero scum in it today by following the flawed "scum would not have bussed" theory.

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I had a townread on kyndy. And I think pablito is the scum.

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At this point I'd be looking at lucky if I'm wrong about pabs. I expect to be lynched first today and not actually have to go that far into it. I understand that I was pretty uninterested in pursuing dav yesterday and I look like a likely scum bud. But I think you need to look at the final vote count yesterday and see not just who did and didn't vote for davsto but also look at where davsto's many votes were, and who they were NOT on as well.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Just don't drink the pablito koolaid after I'm lynched