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In post 48, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Anti's one of my best friends and he also happens to be obvious when scum. He's not scum here.
That's nice. My reads of those two are based on what's in this thread.
But your read of me ISN'T based on what's in the thread, you specifically said that.
In post 22, absinthe wrote:I looked at page one of some of your earlier games.
That's just as much meta as his reason to trust Anti.
Also in reference to your post 49. You complained that he didn't include the reason, why you voted me is his reason for thinking your scum, but you didn't really give a reason. Based on what you say, you have some sort of unexplained meta read.
I didn't complain. I asked him for the reason. He pushed me off. I looked at your one post in the game and found something about it I didn't like. I skimmed your earlier games where you were there from the start and I noticed something.
That was good enough reason to be suspicious at this point in the game.
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Post #60 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:46 am
Postby absinthe »
In post 58, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Followed by the cocky attitude trying to make it look like she's tougher than she really is against my suspicion, that's a pretty solid case for page 3 and I'm happy with it.
This is arrogant bullshit. You have no idea how tough I really am.
That makes us both cocky.
I townhunt and scumhunt. I like to see if I can form two or three reads based on RVS, and then see how they hold up.
In post 22, absinthe wrote:I looked at page one of some of your earlier games.
Why did you do this?
To see if my thoughts about his entrance hold water, or if it's typical of him as town or as any alignment to first-post the way he did.
In post 47, absinthe wrote:
I'm leaning town as well. I think No Brainer is also town, but it's a weaker read.
Not following the town read on No Brainer. Walk me through it?
Sort of the opposite of what I thought about TMWSTW's entrance. He entered the game with a loose upbeat vibe. As I reread and dug a little, I really liked the 1v1 on the player whose entrance was most shaky looking.
In post 76, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld wrote:These are the quotes I'm talking about. absinthe questions why Especially the Lies didn't include her explanation for voting me. Then absinthe also then says that her reasoning for thinking I'm scum is better then Especially the Lies reasons for thinking Anti is town, because they used in game evidence but Especially the Lies used meta.
So I said that, absinthe really didn't explain anything just saying she found something about my first post scummy, especially compared to my others. I then said that her reasoning was equally meta based as Especially the Lies.
You appear to be making shit up.
I didn't say that my reasoning for thinking you're scum is better than Especially the Lies' reasons for thinking Antihero is town. I simply said that my reasons for both town reads are based on what's in the game.
I've said more than I wished about my vote on you for now, but I'm certainly not pretending there's no meta basis for it.
However, this post of yours gives me reason to think my suspicions of you have some validity.
do we have a history in that you don't seem to wanna play with me
I don't think so. I can see why the post looked like I was taking a swipe at the second No Brainer, but I wasn't. My reason for missing the first one was in the post. The game was doing nothing last night. He(?) got things moving on page 1 earlier.
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Post #135 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:59 am
Postby absinthe »
My current problem with TMWSTM and the reason why I feel like my initial suspicion looks pretty correct is this.
1. He voted No Brainer, but hasn't really engaged No Brainer.
2. He's misinterpreted my conversation with Especially the Lies. This is not scummy in and of itself, but it's part of the overall problem with where his focus is.
3. He's focused on me exclusively after voting No Brainer
4. He wrote a case based in part on 2 and started shopping it around but he's still voting No Brainer.
Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.
Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?
In post 135, absinthe wrote:My current problem with TMWSTM and the reason why I feel like my initial suspicion looks pretty correct is this.
1. He voted No Brainer, but hasn't really engaged No Brainer.
2. He's misinterpreted my conversation with Especially the Lies. This is not scummy in and of itself, but it's part of the overall problem with where his focus is.
3. He's focused on me exclusively after voting No Brainer
4. He wrote a case based in part on 2 and started shopping it around but he's still voting No Brainer.
I get your issue, but I voted No Brainer because I wanted to see where they wanted to go with the 1 v 1. So as I waited for their explanation I decided to do some analysis of other players, though until No Brainer's plan (which he seems to be actively ignoring questions about) is explained I prefer my vote on him. Even then the verdict is still out on you till you actually explain your meta read, and that won't happen until the plan for the 1 V 1 is dealt with. So I'm waiting for both, but I'm not going to be useless while I do that.
No Brainer seems to have dropped the 1v1 so apparently they wanted to go nowhere with it. What do you make of that?
In post 4, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld wrote:VOTE: ducks for having a full name that is hard to write, and that is a big deal coming from me.
One of these things is not like the others.
The first two posts are from page 1 of town games. You replaced into two other games, and didn't do RVS. I think all 4 games were town games.
This was a weak reason for voting you initially. Your reaction to the votes and the disconnect between where your vote was and where your attention was the reason my vote stayed on you.
i was going to say "mildly off-putting attitude" but then i thought that sounded too mean
I bristled a bit at being compared to newbscum, but other than that my attitude is perplexity. It's hard to figure out what's contributing to some reads. So, I try to work around all that and see what I can figure out as I go.
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Post #220 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:06 pm
Postby absinthe »
In post 216, No Brainer wrote:also i love how anti is bringing his bowel fixation itt
absinthe tell me your thoughts
eta: what have you figured out so far absinthe?
I don't understand most of what you and BBT said to each other about who can read who and other games. I get that it's a factor in your read of him and why you're voting him, but I have no way to judge if the read is good yet. He goes Socratic and his play feels subsurface. I"m wary of him.
TMWSTW has satisfied my concerns for now.
laladucks keeps his cards close. The reason I'm voting him is because of his L-2 vote on the missing player. The reads list concerns me. He voted me in RVS. From the reads list, the vote became serious but there was no indication in the thread prior to that. Switching off someone he's still scumreading onto a missing player doesn't look right to me.
Raskolkinov needs to post more. I liked his most recent post, but it's only his second post I think.
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Post #314 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:49 am
Postby absinthe »
In post 307, Antihero wrote:well, i know i'm going to hear something about rasko being "too easy" or something to that effect and there's a million reasons why that's bullshit, the primary one being that an RNG doesn't give two shits if something is "easy" or not.
so... yeah that's going to be a fun conversation.
Would your impression of that post change if you thought he wasn't a newb to mafia? I have no idea if he is or not. I wanted to look at old games but he doesn't have any completed ones.
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Post #321 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:58 am
Postby absinthe »
In post 316, Antihero wrote:not too terribly much, but he signed up for a newbie game here so i'm working from the assumption that he's not really someone's sooper dooper top secret alt (LK;FJ;LKSADJF;LKSAJ;LKASDJFLK;AJDS F ALTS SOMEONE PULL THE FIRE ALARM)
Alt is someone who plays here under another account? I was thinking about experience on another site or face to face. "Not too terribly much" answers the question, though.
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Post #352 (isolation #40) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:26 pm
Postby absinthe »
Not really. A lot of his replies are non sequiturs that don't answer the main points of the post he replies to. The one I first really noticed was this:
In post 220, absinthe wrote:
laladucks keeps his cards close. The reason I'm voting him is because of his L-2 vote on the missing player. The reads list concerns me. He voted me in RVS. From the reads list, the vote became serious but there was no indication in the thread prior to that. Switching off someone he's still scumreading onto a missing player doesn't look right to me.
oh yeah the vote did become serious
i thought that was implied because i didn't move it until later
you think i'm suspicious?
why yes, i am suspicious
i mean look at this moustache
Look at my post and "the reason why I'm voting him" and the part about his moving off my wagon when he's scumreading me to vote an inactive slot.
His reply was about how yeah he was scumreading me and doesn't address at all why he moved off an actual scumread to a slot that hadn't posted at all.
Then look at the posts over the last couple of pages where he's responding to people reacting to his post about daytalk. It's more non sequitur.
But they had both you and the inactive player as a scum read, it isn't like they switched from scum to null. They also did point out they were feeling better about you.
What did you think of his reason for scumreading the inactive slot? And how much better could I have possibly looked if I was still a scumread?
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Post #358 (isolation #43) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:27 pm
Postby absinthe »
In post 355, lalaladucks wrote:well if you ask me a good question i'll give you a good answer
My read isn't likely to move much on this basis. Whatever you think of my questions and observations they are made in the hope that I can better understand why players do and say what they do. It's the only way I know to figure out alignment on day 1.
In post 358, absinthe wrote:
My read isn't likely to move much on this basis. Whatever you think of my questions and observations they are made in the hope that I can better understand why players do and say what they do. It's the only way I know to figure out alignment on day 1.
:[ i think you are town and i wanna work with you
but everybody says i'm scum all the time and wah wah wah
This is another read change on me that as far as I've noticed hasn't made it into the thread before this post.
I can't read you if I have no idea what you're thinking.
Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.
Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?
between Post 223 and Post 228 i was flicking my eyes at the thread when i saw the post bbt talked about:
In post 146, Raskolnikov wrote:Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.
Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?
first inspection, it looks a lot like a case.
In post 146, Raskolnikov wrote:But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread?
that sounds familiar...
oh yeah:
In post 103, No Brainer wrote:Also you dislike ETL's push on her but you agreed with one of her points?
Heh?
Isn't it a little dissonant for you to be saying now that you think her entire push was bad when a page or two ago you were essentially appeasing her?
-Cheet
it's not a case
cases (esp. from newbtown) usually either have an explicit or REALLY REALLY obvious smoking gun. what rasko has here is a loose collection of points that lead to "so what?" conclusions or are recycled from the recent discussion. it's all this... stuff... dumped in a post just by rote that ~might~ be scummy maybe depending on your interpretation, but the interpretation just isn't provided b/c he doesn't connect the dots. there's nothing tying all the facts together, no "AHA CAUGHT YOU, YOU HYPOCRITICAL SCUMFUCK"
all the cues that i expect from newbtown giving a case are absent and it leaves this weird void of "why the fuck should i care if bbt did any of these things?" simplest explanation: he's scum and he's just regurgitating stuff hoping it LOOKS enough like a case to make people think he's scumhunting.
VOTE: rasko
You ramped up the accusatory, self-righteous emotional level in this post.
Because declaring someone scum based on so little is terrible. You can't draw strong conclusions from minimal evidence.
In post 283, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I specifically said I DID NOT understand ETL's push on absinthe, so I don't know why you think that I did.
Don't lie to me. What is this then?
In post 114, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:When I say I don't understand it what I mean to say is I don't like it. Should be more specific with my wording I guess.
I fully understand why ETL was pushing absinthe, but I don't like it. I also don't like this defence of Anti/ETL that you got going on.
It's filthy lies. You either understand or don't. Which is it? Both of these quotes CANNOT be true: checkmate.
In post 283, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Absinthe isn't a great town read, but it was my first town read and I'm fairly happy with it. I clearly stated why I was not liking NB's posting, why are you acting like I haven't? Your attempt to spin that into I dislike them for defending someone is scummy as fuck.
How can you be so wrong. The first time I see anything resembling a reason for you disliking No Brainer is like post 273. THAT'S AFTER MY POST YOU REPLY TO (146). Why was I acting like I didn't see the reasons you posted the day after? Are you kidding me? If ANYONE can ISO BBT and find him having "clearly stated why I was not liking NB's posting" prior to that post that would be great. But you miss the point entirely by bringing that up anyways! Your defense was of Absinthe against ETL not nobrainer! P.S. don't worry, even if he meant to say ETL instead of NB there it still wouldn't have made sense, since he still didn't "clearly state" why he was not liking HIS posting either. Literally he just said he didn't like/understand his push on your townread, nothing clearly stated or in any way substantial. No, I can re-read however many times and still just see you disliking him to defend your townread, or at least based only on him happening to push your townread. It is your attempt at twisting my words that is scummy as fuck.
How do you misinterpret such a simple concise post as mine was? Intentionally, I must conclude. Maybe you hoped I wouldn't call you out on this because my activity was low. Would you prefer hanging or electrocution?
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Post #518 (isolation #58) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:00 am
Postby absinthe »
From the reactions after TMWSTW hammered, I'm pretty confident that No Brainer is town.
So my town reads right now are No Brainer and BlueBloodedToffee. I'm leaning town on TMWSTW partly because of his overall day 1 and partly because of his posts after the hammer.
laladucks looks the worst to me based on that flip.