Micro 565: The Walking Dead Ep. 1(Game Over)

[absinthe]

Hello!

@No Brainer

Why did you pick TMWSTW to 1v1?

[absinthe]

I will only respond to you if you vote me or the man who sold the world.
-Cheet

I will vote one of you if I think you are scum.

This could be an impasse.

[absinthe]

I'm so town my avatar's turned green.

You coulld be right about TMWSTW.

[absinthe]

VOTE: TMWSTW

@No Brainer, let's hear why you chose to 1v1 him.

[absinthe]

I looked at page one of some of your earlier games.

[absinthe]

And?

And I'd like to see No Brainer's reasons for 1v1ing you before I say more.

[absinthe]

anti's town.

I'm leaning town as well. I think No Brainer is also town, but it's a weaker read.

[absinthe]

I will only respond to you if you vote me or the man who sold the world.
-Cheet

I will vote one of you if I think you are scum.

This could be an impasse.

I'm so town my avatar's turned green.

You coulld be right about TMWSTW.

VOTE: TMWSTW

@No Brainer, let's hear why you chose to 1v1 him.

Anti

look at these posts and tell me what you think

Why do you leave out the post where I explained why I voted TMWSTW?

[absinthe]

Anti's one of my best friends and he also happens to be obvious when scum. He's not scum here.

That's nice. My reads of those two are based on what's in this thread.

[absinthe]

Anti's one of my best friends and he also happens to be obvious when scum. He's not scum here.

That's nice. My reads of those two are based on what's in this thread.

But your read of me ISN'T based on what's in the thread, you specifically said that.

I looked at page one of some of your earlier games.

That's just as much meta as his reason to trust Anti.

Also in reference to your post 49. You complained that he didn't include the reason, why you voted me is his reason for thinking your scum, but you didn't really give a reason. Based on what you say, you have some sort of unexplained meta read.

I didn't complain. I asked him for the reason. He pushed me off. I looked at your one post in the game and found something about it I didn't like. I skimmed your earlier games where you were there from the start and I noticed something.

That was good enough reason to be suspicious at this point in the game.

[absinthe]

Followed by the cocky attitude trying to make it look like she's tougher than she really is against my suspicion, that's a pretty solid case for page 3 and I'm happy with it.

This is arrogant bullshit. You have no idea how tough I really am.

That makes us both cocky.

I townhunt and scumhunt. I like to see if I can form two or three reads based on RVS, and then see how they hold up.

[absinthe]

I looked at page one of some of your earlier games.

Why did you do this?

To see if my thoughts about his entrance hold water, or if it's typical of him as town or as any alignment to first-post the way he did.

I'm leaning town as well. I think No Brainer is also town, but it's a weaker read.

Not following the town read on No Brainer. Walk me through it?

Sort of the opposite of what I thought about TMWSTW's entrance. He entered the game with a loose upbeat vibe. As I reread and dug a little, I really liked the 1v1 on the player whose entrance was most shaky looking.

[absinthe]

well later posts from bbt are alright actually

he shall hereafter be referred to as bubbletea

Do you have other thoughts about the game?

VOTE: BBT

Reasons?

These are the quotes I'm talking about. absinthe questions why Especially the Lies didn't include her explanation for voting me. Then absinthe also then says that her reasoning for thinking I'm scum is better then Especially the Lies reasons for thinking Anti is town, because they used in game evidence but Especially the Lies used meta.

So I said that, absinthe really didn't explain anything just saying she found something about my first post scummy, especially compared to my others. I then said that her reasoning was equally meta based as Especially the Lies.

You appear to be making shit up.

I didn't say that my reasoning for thinking you're scum is better than Especially the Lies' reasons for thinking Antihero is town. I simply said that my reasons for both town reads are based on what's in the game.

I've said more than I wished about my vote on you for now, but I'm certainly not pretending there's no meta basis for it.

However, this post of yours gives me reason to think my suspicions of you have some validity.

[absinthe]

[absinthe]

I miss the first No Brainer.

This game is slow.

[absinthe]

I miss the first No Brainer.

This game is slow.

do we have a history in that you don't seem to wanna play with me

I don't think so. I can see why the post looked like I was taking a swipe at the second No Brainer, but I wasn't. My reason for missing the first one was in the post. The game was doing nothing last night. He(?) got things moving on page 1 earlier.

[absinthe]

Are you ready to talk about why you 1v1'd TMWSTW?

[absinthe]

My current problem with TMWSTM and the reason why I feel like my initial suspicion looks pretty correct is this.

1. He voted No Brainer, but hasn't really engaged No Brainer.
2. He's misinterpreted my conversation with Especially the Lies. This is not scummy in and of itself, but it's part of the overall problem with where his focus is.
3. He's focused on me exclusively after voting No Brainer
4. He wrote a case based in part on 2 and started shopping it around but he's still voting No Brainer.

[absinthe]

I'll just go sit in the corner and not speak unless spoken to.

[absinthe]

VOTE: BBT

Let's talk about this.

Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.

Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?

I like this post.

[absinthe]

I can't believe the best possible wagon at the moment is an inactive player.

My current problem with TMWSTM and the reason why I feel like my initial suspicion looks pretty correct is this.

1. He voted No Brainer, but hasn't really engaged No Brainer.
2. He's misinterpreted my conversation with Especially the Lies. This is not scummy in and of itself, but it's part of the overall problem with where his focus is.
3. He's focused on me exclusively after voting No Brainer
4. He wrote a case based in part on 2 and started shopping it around but he's still voting No Brainer.

I get your issue, but I voted No Brainer because I wanted to see where they wanted to go with the 1 v 1. So as I waited for their explanation I decided to do some analysis of other players, though until No Brainer's plan (which he seems to be actively ignoring questions about) is explained I prefer my vote on him. Even then the verdict is still out on you till you actually explain your meta read, and that won't happen until the plan for the 1 V 1 is dealt with. So I'm waiting for both, but I'm not going to be useless while I do that.

No Brainer seems to have dropped the 1v1 so apparently they wanted to go nowhere with it. What do you make of that?

[absinthe]

I can't believe the best possible wagon at the moment is an inactive player.

start believin' because it's not just that he's not around

I realize that it's because he's been active elsewhere. I don't have a problem with your vote. I don't like laladucks' jump on the wagon.

[absinthe]

VOTE: laladucks

[absinthe]

They're not voting you any more.

I assume that was the end of the 1v1. From their side if not yours.

[absinthe]

I've been ready. I put these quotes in drafts when I scanned your games.

What caught my eye about your initial post here was that it seemed awkward for an RVS vote.

VOTE: Pig Why no vote?

Only a few days, lucky me.

VOTE: ducks for having a full name that is hard to write, and that is a big deal coming from me.

One of these things is not like the others.

The first two posts are from page 1 of town games. You replaced into two other games, and didn't do RVS. I think all 4 games were town games.

This was a weak reason for voting you initially. Your reaction to the votes and the disconnect between where your vote was and where your attention was the reason my vote stayed on you.

[absinthe]

Why aren't you asking me questions or something then?

[absinthe]

Standoffish?

[absinthe]

well

i was going to say "mildly off-putting attitude" but then i thought that sounded too mean

I bristled a bit at being compared to newbscum, but other than that my attitude is perplexity. It's hard to figure out what's contributing to some reads. So, I try to work around all that and see what I can figure out as I go.

[absinthe]

also i love how anti is bringing his bowel fixation itt

absinthe tell me your thoughts

eta: what have you figured out so far absinthe?

I don't understand most of what you and BBT said to each other about who can read who and other games. I get that it's a factor in your read of him and why you're voting him, but I have no way to judge if the read is good yet. He goes Socratic and his play feels subsurface. I"m wary of him.

TMWSTW has satisfied my concerns for now.

laladucks keeps his cards close. The reason I'm voting him is because of his L-2 vote on the missing player. The reads list concerns me. He voted me in RVS. From the reads list, the vote became serious but there was no indication in the thread prior to that. Switching off someone he's still scumreading onto a missing player doesn't look right to me.

Raskolkinov needs to post more. I liked his most recent post, but it's only his second post I think.

[absinthe]

Especially the Lies also plays with cards close. I'm not sure about her yet.

I'm still townreading Antihero and you. It's easier to read the other No Brainer.

[absinthe]

Especially the Lies also plays with cards close. I'm not sure about her yet.

I'm still townreading Antihero and you. It's easier to read the other No Brainer.

etl plays her cards too close to the chest for you but you somehow get me?

If you're playing your cards close you do a great job of looking transparent while doing it.

That makes you the scariest player in the game if you are.

[absinthe]

How is a modded game relevant?

[absinthe]

Tough crowd.

[absinthe]

I liked that post.

[absinthe]

DINGDINGDING

someone just won the secret scumread contest

Rasko? For similar reasons to BBT's post?

[absinthe]

well, i know i'm going to hear something about rasko being "too easy" or something to that effect and there's a million reasons why that's bullshit, the primary one being that an RNG doesn't give two shits if something is "easy" or not.

so... yeah that's going to be a fun conversation.

Would your impression of that post change if you thought he wasn't a newb to mafia? I have no idea if he is or not. I wanted to look at old games but he doesn't have any completed ones.

[absinthe]

not too terribly much, but he signed up for a newbie game here so i'm working from the assumption that he's not really someone's sooper dooper top secret alt (LK;FJ;LKSADJF;LKSAJ;LKASDJFLK;AJDS F ALTS SOMEONE PULL THE FIRE ALARM)

Alt is someone who plays here under another account? I was thinking about experience on another site or face to face. "Not too terribly much" answers the question, though.

[absinthe]

You are scumreading them?

[absinthe]

Non sequiturs hurt my head.

[absinthe]

Please vote laladucks.

[absinthe]

Not really. A lot of his replies are non sequiturs that don't answer the main points of the post he replies to. The one I first really noticed was this:

laladucks keeps his cards close. The reason I'm voting him is because of his L-2 vote on the missing player. The reads list concerns me. He voted me in RVS. From the reads list, the vote became serious but there was no indication in the thread prior to that. Switching off someone he's still scumreading onto a missing player doesn't look right to me.

oh yeah the vote did become serious

i thought that was implied because i didn't move it until later

you think i'm suspicious?

why yes, i am suspicious

i mean look at this moustache

Look at my post and "the reason why I'm voting him" and the part about his moving off my wagon when he's scumreading me to vote an inactive slot.

His reply was about how yeah he was scumreading me and doesn't address at all why he moved off an actual scumread to a slot that hadn't posted at all.

Then look at the posts over the last couple of pages where he's responding to people reacting to his post about daytalk. It's more non sequitur.

[absinthe]

Great job responding to the concern.

[absinthe]

Great job responding to the concern.

But they had both you and the inactive player as a scum read, it isn't like they switched from scum to null. They also did point out they were feeling better about you.

What did you think of his reason for scumreading the inactive slot? And how much better could I have possibly looked if I was still a scumread?

[absinthe]

well if you ask me a good question i'll give you a good answer

My read isn't likely to move much on this basis. Whatever you think of my questions and observations they are made in the hope that I can better understand why players do and say what they do. It's the only way I know to figure out alignment on day 1.

[absinthe]

My read isn't likely to move much on this basis. Whatever you think of my questions and observations they are made in the hope that I can better understand why players do and say what they do. It's the only way I know to figure out alignment on day 1.

:[ i think you are town and i wanna work with you

but everybody says i'm scum all the time and wah wah wah

This is another read change on me that as far as I've noticed hasn't made it into the thread before this post.

I can't read you if I have no idea what you're thinking.

[absinthe]

This game has become unpleasant.

UNVOTE: laladucks

[absinthe]

well nobody cares about my reads because apparently i'm a scum

My first post to you asked about your thoughts regarding the game. You blew me off.

[absinthe]

Raskolnikov, what are your other reads?

[absinthe]

VOTE: Raskolnikov

Your focus looks bad.

[absinthe]

It looks like your post 361 was written with Antihero's comments about how a newbtown case would differ from your 146.

VOTE: BBT

Let's talk about this.

Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.

Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?

DINGDINGDING

someone just won the secret scumread contest

Rasko? For similar reasons to BBT's post?

yep

between Post 223 and Post 228 i was flicking my eyes at the thread when i saw the post bbt talked about:

Didn't like how you voted No Brainer with the statement "This is scum". Voting him is fine to get explanation and fuel the 1v1, but you just wrote him off.

Since then, you vote TheMan for having a convoluted or unnatural sounding read which I agree with. But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread? Why you giving Absinthe such a strong townread at this point? And no brainer disagreeing with you, you just dislike him for defending Anti/ETL. Aren't you defending Absinthe the same way?

first inspection, it looks a lot like a case.

But you don't like ETL's push even though you understand why he's doing it and even agree with one of his points, because he's pushing your townread?

that sounds familiar...

oh yeah:

Also you dislike ETL's push on her but you agreed with one of her points?
Heh?
Isn't it a little dissonant for you to be saying now that you think her entire push was bad when a page or two ago you were essentially appeasing her?
-Cheet

it's not a case

cases (esp. from newbtown) usually either have an explicit or REALLY REALLY obvious smoking gun. what rasko has here is a loose collection of points that lead to "so what?" conclusions or are recycled from the recent discussion. it's all this... stuff... dumped in a post just by rote that ~might~ be scummy maybe depending on your interpretation, but the interpretation just isn't provided b/c he doesn't connect the dots. there's nothing tying all the facts together, no "AHA CAUGHT YOU, YOU HYPOCRITICAL SCUMFUCK"

all the cues that i expect from newbtown giving a case are absent and it leaves this weird void of "why the fuck should i care if bbt did any of these things?" simplest explanation: he's scum and he's just regurgitating stuff hoping it LOOKS enough like a case to make people think he's scumhunting.

VOTE: rasko

You ramped up the accusatory, self-righteous emotional level in this post.

What is wrong with accompanying my vote with 'This is scum'?

Because declaring someone scum based on so little is terrible. You can't draw strong conclusions from minimal evidence.

I specifically said I DID NOT understand ETL's push on absinthe, so I don't know why you think that I did.

Don't lie to me. What is this then?

When I say I don't understand it what I mean to say is I don't like it. Should be more specific with my wording I guess.

I fully understand why ETL was pushing absinthe, but I don't like it. I also don't like this defence of Anti/ETL that you got going on.

It's filthy lies. You either understand or don't. Which is it? Both of these quotes CANNOT be true: checkmate.

Absinthe isn't a great town read, but it was my first town read and I'm fairly happy with it. I clearly stated why I was not liking NB's posting, why are you acting like I haven't? Your attempt to spin that into I dislike them for defending someone is scummy as fuck.

How can you be so wrong. The first time I see anything resembling a reason for you disliking No Brainer is like post 273. THAT'S AFTER MY POST YOU REPLY TO (146). Why was I acting like I didn't see the reasons you posted the day after? Are you kidding me? If ANYONE can ISO BBT and find him having "clearly stated why I was not liking NB's posting" prior to that post that would be great. But you miss the point entirely by bringing that up anyways! Your defense was of Absinthe against ETL not nobrainer! P.S. don't worry, even if he meant to say ETL instead of NB there it still wouldn't have made sense, since he still didn't "clearly state" why he was not liking HIS posting either. Literally he just said he didn't like/understand his push on your townread, nothing clearly stated or in any way substantial. No, I can re-read however many times and still just see you disliking him to defend your townread, or at least based only on him happening to push your townread. It is your attempt at twisting my words that is scummy as fuck.

How do you misinterpret such a simple concise post as mine was? Intentionally, I must conclude. Maybe you hoped I wouldn't call you out on this because my activity was low. Would you prefer hanging or electrocution?

[absinthe]

Anything substantial to say?

This is not addressing my point or refuting my point. It's ridiculing and discounting my point.

[absinthe]

It's not the explaining yourself that makes post look bad. Over time players usually elaborate on scumreads while they continue to hold them.

It's the tone change. You dialed up the vitriol from sub zero about 300% What pissed you off so much?

[absinthe]

im kind of ready to lynch wednesday just to make this game playable

I can support this probably but Raskalnikov is digging a deep scummy hole.

[absinthe]

I think I know who scum might be who cares cos they won't get lynched!

VOTE: rasko

at least I can try tho!

Who is the scum you think won't get lynched? Is it Rascolnikov?

[absinthe]

Raskolnikov(4) - BlueBloodedToffee, Antihero, absinthe, No Brainer
Wednesday_ (3) - No Brainer, laladucks, EspeciallyTheLies
BlueBloodedToffee(1) - Raskolnikov
No Brainer(1) - Wednesday_

Not Voting (3) - TheManWhoSoldTheWorld, lalaladucks


I think this is accurate but I'm usually terrible at vote counts so don't put too much trust in it.

[absinthe]

Wednesday is a guy?

[absinthe]

Absinthe is giving townvibes but I'm not really absolutely behind them.

What is it that you are concerned about?

[absinthe]

What character are you?

[absinthe]

From the reactions after TMWSTW hammered, I'm pretty confident that No Brainer is town.

So my town reads right now are No Brainer and BlueBloodedToffee. I'm leaning town on TMWSTW partly because of his overall day 1 and partly because of his posts after the hammer.

laladucks looks the worst to me based on that flip.

[absinthe]

B[float=][/float]ecause?

[absinthe]

You don't think that Rascolnikov's fake claim was mod provided?

I do.

[absinthe]

You don't think that Rascolnikov's fake claim was mod provided?

I do.

"one sec.


uh... I'm a vt.


uhhhhh Lori!"

no... mod provided? I mean calling Lori for character was a risk I think, and I was wondering about that, but VT isn't a claim that needs mod assistance.

It's a high profile character and as you suggest, dangerous to claim if the mod hadn't given at least the name to him as a safe one.

That's why I think it was probably mod provided.

What's the usual deal at MS? Do mods provide a whole fake role PM, or give the scum team a list of names that are safe to claim? Or are scum completely on their own?

[absinthe]

I'm not sure I'm in favor of this just yet.

[absinthe]

anyone think raskol's lala push was a bus? was trying to figure out if it felt that way or not but i dont know. it doesn't feel like it. but unless wednesday is raskol's partner, someone on his wagon is. after rereading i didn't really feel like wednesday was.

i'm concerned about NB based on the kill because i feel like the only other people besides me who would have caught what anti was throwing out and would be worried about being read by him is mollie. the reasoning given by cheet about why raskol was scum wasn't strong at all either, but beyond these things i thought they were town, so i dont know.

i'm inclined to think theman is pure town, even if he didn't realize it was a hammer. the reaction was genuine.

eh. cheet's reaction to the hammer was pretty good too, so nevermind that for today i guess.

still concerned about lala not being townlala. waffling on wednesday but my gut makes me want to vote there. BBT doesn't feel great either. i think absinthe looked better later on.

so... yeah. someone talk to me.

Why does BBT feel not great?

[absinthe]

TMWSTW why is laladucks town, given the Rascolnikov flip?

[absinthe]

No Brainer, I have mixed feelings about the interactions between EspeciallyTheLies and Rascolnikov

Raskolnikov, what are your other reads?

Don't like ETL. ETL + TheMan claim to be lost/confused but TheMan feels more genuine about it. He buddies antihero and lazy votes wednesday. In general I'm not impressed with the wagon on wednesday which is poorly reasoned and looks partly policy. Wednesday is being a dick but he's trying and I townlean him. Idk how to read weird people like lalala and antihero. You're actually okay.

When I read this post, I thought it could be a throwaway FoS on his partner.

I was starting to like you until this bullshit. Please quote me where I said I was lost and/or confused. And then, even though you won't find it since I never said such a thing ever, explain why it's scummy.

Also, it's news to me that "in class = lazy". And your unwarranted defense of Wednesday is noted. I don't think anyone is voting him for being an asshole.

Eh. I might have been a too harsh. I'll go into why I saw you this way.

When I looked at you recently, I first noticed you "weren't feeling your absinthe vote" and voted wednesday (who had 0 posts at the time) so I read that you were sort of settling on the 0 poster through lack of better ideas (post 153). After wednesday showed up you unvoted and

anti my love let's have a chat. i'm kinda meh on things. probably could do with a good sit down on the last 10 pages or so. i might do that over lunch later today.

there's things i like and don't like but for some reason i'm not feeling super strong about anyone yet. which is weird.

which I'm pretty sure you imply being a bit lost or directionless, or at least that's I'm seeing, and that you want your townread to help you out because of it. The next few posts you insist on him answering/interacting with you, and when he can't

i'm not doing things in this game. and it's everyone's fault.

which I saw as a bit of resignation and reinforced my thought.

Now this all isn't actually bad, it's why I saw you as somewhat directionless. Whether it's actually bad or not is whether I believe it's genuinely town confusion or scum not being able to scumhunt well (because they know who are town). Going over it again I think I just didn't want to townread both you and TheMan for pretty much the same reason so I went too far with this. I still think your vote on wednesday was lazy: you didn't explain it until recently and even now I think it's just okay. I didn't know you were good friends with antihero either, so that explains things too. Overall you're more nullish now tbh. I have to look over lala and antihero again now. BBT still #1 scum.

But this post looks like appeasement to me, like he was trying to get her to back off.

I reread the game during the night, but another read wouldn't hurt.

I'll be back in a couple hours.

[absinthe]

I'm thinking we should popcorn a mass character claim, at this point I'm 100% certain they are alignment indicative.

I'm typically against massclaim this early. Why do you think this would be helpful for you?

Wednesday_, EspeciallyTheLies BlueBloodedToffee, absinthe, are probably the people I'm going to look at first on a reread, and check how they connect to Rasko. I'm not convinced his partner would be on the wagon, it was day one and he was a power role, he seems worth the risk to try and save, especially when Ducks was there as an easy mislynch.

In order of suspicion it would be
Wednesday
BBT
absinthe
ETL

I'm thinking a character claim is good because it doesn't actually give away our PRs, so those are still safe, and I have information that could make it pretty easy to catch scum in a lie.

k. I'm the chick who dies early at that part where they were in the woods before going into atlanta and then she comes back. andrea (?) sister. i forgot her name. one moment.

[absinthe]

I posted that before I wrote my question.

The question is, what made you change your mind about character claiming?

[absinthe]

Because theman said he had a way of using it to catch scum in a lie.

I'm embarrassed to say I missed that completely. Twice.

Now I'm confused about other things.

[absinthe]

Alright, who are you mod confirmed to?

I see no reason to hide that information.

Me.

Check my first post of the day.

[absinthe]

There is an awful lot of crumbing going on for a nine player game.

I thought The Man was crumbing a track inno on laladucks earlier.

[absinthe]

Is this a bastard game?

[absinthe]

What are your thoughts about the game now, Wednesday?

[absinthe]

Show me how I am uncooperative.

Answer my question?

Here's another question. Why didn't you popcorn to laladucks?

[absinthe]

The pace of this game makes me want to scream.

[absinthe]

Duane Jones.

[absinthe]

Not everyone is calling laladucks town.

I'm not particularly interested in taking hints. I'm interested in figuring out the game. So my question once again is what are your thoughts about the game today?

[absinthe]

I guess I need to get the hang of popcorn. I've been waiting for something to happen again.

Popcorn to laladucks.

[absinthe]

So my question once again is what are your thoughts about the game today?

This is a question, and not just because it ends with a question mark.

Please answer it Wednesday.

[absinthe]

why wld you need to know that?

also lambert kendal sounds like a fakeclaim tbh

theman suggested a flavor claim saying he had a way to catch people that way. did you miss that?

Whatever TMWSTW thinks about their flavor is irrelevant.

[absinthe]

Yes

why wld you need to know that?

also lambert kendal sounds like a fakeclaim tbh

theman suggested a flavor claim saying he had a way to catch people that way. did you miss that?

Whatever TMWSTW thinks about their flavor is irrelevant.

Why?

Because they are a friendly neighbor. They sent me a message via the mod last night with their flavor and alignment. The mod confirmed that the information was true in the PM.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

[absinthe]

So my question once again is what are your thoughts about the game today?

This is a question, and not just because it ends with a question mark.

Please answer it Wednesday.

The game today is well. What do you specifically want to know? How about you ask an actual question instead of inflating both our post count. That's just annoying.

I want to know what your reads are after two flips and other game developments.

[absinthe]

I'd like to understand TMWSTW's reasons for thinking lala is town.

The only things that makes me doubt Wednesday is scum is the complete lack of strategy in their stances and complete lack of effort to appease anyone. The apparent game situation points pretty strongly in the direction of either Wednesday or lala being scum. Except for TMWSTW assurance about lala being town.

[absinthe]

HEY IT"S FIXED! Hi guys, sorry about my absence. I think it had something to do with me going to look at one of Wednesday's posts as it was deleted, making so anytime I tried to quote, preview, or submit it failed. I'm fine with a full claim, Ducks and I are neighbours, I was hoping to a flavor claim would help me catch scum as I had more knowledge of the characters in this game by simply knowing more confirmed people, I didn't expect it to grind the game to a halt, sorry.

Why does lala being your neighbor make them town?

[absinthe]

I think that's two votes on lala.

Is it a neighborizer and not a neighborhood at the start of the game?

[absinthe]

Wouldn't this have to be a bastard setup for there to be recruiting?

[absinthe]

To be fair the mod said that there was "crazy shit" in the game and has never explicitly said it wasn't bastard.
I personally would be pretty okay with day going until A) lalala comes and responds to things/fullclaims and B) we get modconfirmation on whether this game is bastard or not.
-Cheet.

I'm waiting for these things as well.

[absinthe]

It's been almost 2 days since lala last posted. If he doesn't make an appearance in the next few hours, I'll vote him.

I can't see this day ending in any way other than his lynch.

[absinthe]

VOTE: laladucks

L-1

[absinthe]

There were 3 bank robbers. So, 3 scum?

I'm equal parts thinking that there's a protective role in this game since there are 3 bad guys, and thinking that the last player who's not town doesn't have a kill. A traitor of some sort, maybe or a third party either doesn't have a kill or is holding on to a 1 shot.

[absinthe]

But 3 bank robbers so the flavor suggests a team of 3 and maybe 1 of them is a traitor.

[absinthe]

Scum in Wednesday, ETL?

If it's BBT I want to give up mafia and play something less mentally taxing. Like chess.

[absinthe]

I don't fully know how a traitor works and I'm on my phone so I'll have to look into that tomorrow.

I think a SK would probably have taken a shot but I don't know, could be a 1-shot SK. My first thought was that whoever it is feels like they're in a tight spot and wants to leave lynch pool as wide as possible by no killing.

Maybe, but leaving the Friendly Nieghbor alive doesn't widen the lynch pool. Maybe saving a kill for mylo/lylo.

[absinthe]

Why would tracking ETL on night 1 clear her?

[absinthe]

Why would tracking ETL on night 1 clear her?

Because there was a kill and I knew she didn't do it.

Remember, this is all before we knew there was something more than just two scum.

I thought there was a chance, yeah.

My question was to No Brainer. The whole game changed with lala's flip and going into night 2.

[absinthe]

Hey. Hey. ETL. No attitude please. If BBT gets lynched and he flips town then I'm going to be a jerk at you and probably think you're scum so how about we chill and talk things out.
-Cheet.

that would be fine with me because if bbt flips town i quit and you can lynch me i don't care. this game should not have 3 antitown anyway!

I don't like this post. I'm not sure why.

[absinthe]

I've already hammered myself. I'm a VT.

Please go back through this game when it's over so you can understand what I'm trying to calmly and politely share with you.

No you didn't. It's L-1.

[absinthe]

Would somebody please unvote?

[absinthe]

I'm waiting pretty impatiently for TMWSTW and Wednesday to make an appearance.

[absinthe]

My thoughts are weak, BBT, Absinthe and I were all on the lynch wagons, and Lala ended both days voting Wednesday. If there is a third party this means nothing, but if town is walking around with a cop, a tracker, and a mod confirmed town (possible a protect in Wednesday at this point) then I don't think three scum would be out of the question. My gut tells me to side with ETL, but logic is on the side of BBT. Also even though I think our lynch pool should be Me, BBT, ETL, and Wednesday, my paranoia is looking at Absinthe. They (to me at least) seem like the only player as scum that would gain from No Brainer being kept alive, because the longer conf town is alive they look more town by association.

You suspect everyone but mod-confirmed town.

How do you rank these reads?

[absinthe]

I would happily lose to scum!absinthe.

You've said something like this a couple of times. We're potentially dealing with an SK. Probably dealing with an SK? I don't think my play and stances have been outside of what an SK would try to do.

I don't understand why you feel that confident I'm town after 2 scum flips. Confident I'm not groupscum isn't the same thing as confident I'm town.

[absinthe]

Wednesday's lack of posting looks scummy to me in a groupscum giving up way. Not really in a 3rd Party way. A 3rd Party Wednesday would be in fairly good shape today, with the way that No Brainer/ETL/BBT were set to focus on each other today. Those suspicions have been festering since day 1. Show up, post, scumhunt BBT and ETL and get an easy lynch.

Part of me wants to just vote Wednesday to remove a low-info questionable player that might be scum and might end the game but probably not.

[absinthe]

Show up, post, scumhunt BBT and ETL and get an easy lynch.

This hasn't happened though.
Also, absinthe are you an alt?
-Cheet.

No it hasn't so what does that mean?

[absinthe]

Vanilla Town.

[absinthe]

BBT why are you so sure I'm town, given the probability there's an SK?

[absinthe]

Well, maybe not an SK. But I think a third party would have a 1-shot kill.

If there is a traitor, would they not have a kill after the rest of the scum team died?

[absinthe]

I'm meh. This game has trickled down to very little meaningful activity. I'll try to shake my apathy tonight and go back through the game again.

[absinthe]

I'm not super sure you're town. But you're nowhere near my lynch list today.

I would happily lose to scum!absinthe.

How do these statements describe the same read?

[absinthe]

"I'd gladly lose to player x if they're scum" sounds like a very strong town read to me.

[absinthe]

It looks contradictory to me, but there was a similar kick-up about another pair of your posts on day 1. I may be too much of a black-and-white thinker to see the nuance.

So it looks like TMWSTW and Wednesday may be replaced. I'd sort of rather lynch Wednesday than see that happen. It's hard to explain, but I feel like a new player in that slot would muddy the issues.

[absinthe]

Where is everyone?

I have this nagging thought that we're looking for a last scum-player, not a 3rd party. I think it's because there's a connected feeling to Wednesday's votes.

[absinthe]

VOTE: Wednesday

L-2

[absinthe]

I missed all the excitement am I'm glad I did!

Radiant Cowbells, I think I would have been ok getting lynched and letting you win, too, but it's hard to say since I wasn't here as it went down.

I"m pleased with my play! I lynched "right" every day, and this is my first game at mafiascum where I wasn't on the losing side.

[absinthe]

it was a pleasure seeing you all confused over the third antitown

That was very confusing! I thought it was a traitor situation and I felt like Wednesday's play fit traitor best. Lyncher didn't even occur to me. An SK with a 1-shot kill or a traitor were my guesses.

Thanks for the game, Radja! For a nine player game it was complicated. I thought town played well.

[absinthe]

also i love how anti is bringing his bowel fixation itt

absinthe tell me your thoughts

eta: what have you figured out so far absinthe?

I don't understand most of what you and BBT said to each other about who can read who and other games. I get that it's a factor in your read of him and why you're voting him, but I have no way to judge if the read is good yet. He goes Socratic and his play feels subsurface. I"m wary of him.

TMWSTW has satisfied my concerns for now.

laladucks keeps his cards close. The reason I'm voting him is because of his L-2 vote on the missing player. The reads list concerns me. He voted me in RVS. From the reads list, the vote became serious but there was no indication in the thread prior to that. Switching off someone he's still scumreading onto a missing player doesn't look right to me.

Raskolkinov needs to post more. I liked his most recent post, but it's only his second post I think.

3 scumtells in one readslist, plus the associatives...

VOTE: Absinthe

Radiant Cowbells I wanted to ask for your feedback. Was this just bullshit to push for my lynch or did you really see 3 scumtells in this post? If so, what were they?