Micro 576 - Word Sneak Mafia 2: Even Sneakier! (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

@mod: pretty sure Davsto's on BNL.

Yes, my mistake! It's been fixed <3

Hello! I've already read through the game once. I might do it again, or at least read some ISOs. I pretty much agree with TheCow's reads except for the Davsto townread.
The BNL wagon is awful he is town and whoever hammers earns a death tunnel from me for the rest of the game.
GL wagon is better.
Aristo wagon is best of all. I don't know where the heck that wagon went just because he claimed VT. Almost positive one scum is in <Aristo, Davsto, GL>, probably two.
Pretty sure H&H and Flubber are town. Lane is almost definitely town.
Postie is hard to sort but I think town, though I could see a Postie/Aristo scumteam.

I'll keep Cow's vote on Aristo for now, I should be around tomorrow.

[Something_Smart]

Okay so I hated the whole "BNL snipped Aristo's quote to make it look self-contradictory" argument and everybody said it looked more scummy than Donald Trump's hair. But there's no scum motivation in doing that on purpose... unless he wanted everyone to point fingers at him. I hated the way everybody jumped on him, Aristo in particular, given that he himself did so many dumb things this game. And the hammer...ugh. You're a pickle, Aristo.
GL, also, you're wrong about my townreads being on the BNL wagon... with Aristo, now, all of my top scumreads are on that wagon.
If you want to see a wagon with my townreads on it, look at the Aristo wagon that collapsed for basically no reason.
Also just remembered that I didn't like Postie's selfvote, it's one of the reasons I'm not sure about her.

[Something_Smart]

I don't have it.
VOTE: Aristo
This is scum. That hammer was absolutely horrible and his whole push on BNL was super opportunistic.

GL is my other major scumread but the only other time I played with him we got into a huge argument and both ended up being town, so I'll have to see.
Apparently Postie's scumgame is scary so reading her is hard. I really disliked that selfvote.
Everyone else is a townread atm.
@Flubber: do you think GL is town? Why are you so concerned with him scumhunting off his wagon?
@Lane: do you think there is scum on the BNL wagon?

[Something_Smart]

This doesn't feel like town GL.
I have no idea if this is town RC.

[Something_Smart]

In Brass & Shrapnel you didn't take anything for granted, you argued for what you believed in and you weren't afraid of making enemies.
You certainly didn't resign yourself to being lynched at any point (let alone this early in the day).
Even if you were town, how would that help us?

[Something_Smart]

Also how am I not arguing for what I believe in? What does that even mean?

Everything you say is "could", "I guess", "I bet" except your confidence in your own lynch.

S_S, do you think 818 and everything that followed in twilight is fake?

Do you think it's genuine?

[Something_Smart]

I don't think it feels genuine at all. Feels like he's trying too hard to act like he didn't know BNL's alignment.

[Something_Smart]

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
(Aero I hate you )
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and seeeeeeeee
Aristo what do you think of GL?
H&H what do you think of Aristo?

[Something_Smart]

@H&H: Isn't it clear why everyone was scumreading BNL for the snip thing? Due to the efforts of lane and Aristo, who both tried to paint it as super scummy. I still think lane is town, but I hate the way Aristo originally responded to the snip with only "you missed my joke" and only after lane called it scum he said "well actually yeah it is scummy".
@Lane: What do you think about Aristo and the hammer?

[Something_Smart]

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go, little high, little low
Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me
To meeeeeeeee

If GL flips scum, I don't think Aristophanes is scum. I doubt GL would be defending him this hard if they were partners. If GL genuinely thinks he's going to be lynched today, I think he'd be making an effort to distance instead.

If I'm wrong I'll probably be looking the group of S_S/lane/Flubber for two scums

^ Your second scum can probably be found here.

Is that a WIFOM I spy?

Almost positive one scum is in <GL, Postie> here. I'd probably be okay voting GL.

[Something_Smart]

^

GL's AtE is really pissing me off right now.
GL vs Postie does not feel like TvT.

I'm spending too much time worrying about my words...

[Something_Smart]

your argument is basically "you will all see your error when I flip town" and "my lynch is inevitable so I should embrace it not fight it". Sounds like you're trying to draw sympathy for your "plight" of being tragically scumread.

[Something_Smart]

Postie, what is the point of arguing with me about my alignment? It's clear to me that nothing I will do will change you or H&H's opinion, so just lynch me and scumhunt eachother.

If you were town, how would acquiescing to your lynch be pro-town?

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, sure. ^This logic is terrible. From your POV, the lynch that has the least chance of flipping scum is your own.
There is literally no other reason to be doing what you are doing as any alignment.

[Something_Smart]

The post I quoted. I interpret it as saying "You guys are never going to change your minds about me, so I might as well make the best of my inevitable death." You also at one point said "I'd lynch me too, given the VCs." That's not a town mindset. What I said is the only way I can make any sense out of it.

[Something_Smart]

There's no point in explaining to you how you would act if you were town.
VOTE: GuiltyLiar

[Something_Smart]

this is funny to watch

[Something_Smart]

Ok I think reaction test can be done now.
It's 5 to lynch, not 4. You're at L-2, so considering the extra vote it's L-1 if you're town.
But I think you believed you were at L-1, and that's a lot of effort to put in if you know you won't even be hammered.
Ugh I will have to reread you now
UNVOTE:

[Something_Smart]

God if you actually faked that though...

Have you ever attempted a trick like that as scum before?

[Something_Smart]

Something smart, why do you think its such a crazy good reaction? It looks really fake able and mildly genuine. I'm not seeing the obvi town reaction youre seeing

I never said it was obvtown. I thought it was hard to fake, with him trying to put in all his words.
But I'm annoyed because I just had a game end which illustrated my total lack of any ability to form accurate reads. (My hydra partner and I bulldozed two town lynches and got mislynched day 3 after developing a massive case on 3 people, the two on which we were most confident being town.)
I guess I'll just be a little baby lamb and sheep H&H here.

I am a little lamb.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

Oh yeah also lane your avi always makes me think of anchorman. What's your favorite anchorman quote? I like "I immediately regret this decision."

[Something_Smart]

I'm not voting you because I had inaccurate reads in another game, I'm voting you because I'm less inclined to trust the argument for you being town than I am the argument for you being scum. But thanks for the misrepresentation.

And now, some Anchorman quotes:
"I immediately regret this decision."
"Oh yeah? Well you're about to be in...dead place."
"I'm Ron Burgundy. You stay classy, San Diego."
"I'm Ron Burgundy. You're a dirty b****, San Diego."
"I'm Ron Burgundy. Go f*** yourself, San Diego."

And just to reiterate, I am sheeping H&H because I am a baby lamb... baaahhh!

[Something_Smart]

I have always been scumreading you. Your reaction to the "hammer" felt towny, but after rereading you it still feels fakeable.
I have a townread on H&H, and RC has good reads.

[Something_Smart]

You mean, when you flip scum?

yuck I just realized that if scum gets the double vote tomorrow it's automatically gg.

I probably would have more strongly opposed my lynch if I had realized that earlier

Yeah, this is definitely faked. Before you acted like you were hammered, you were all like, "I should be lynched today." Afterward, you say this, which would actually be true if you were town and makes all your previous play seem disingenuous (because you never "realized" this until you were "hammered".) Now, you are back to talking about your inevitable lynch without mentioning this again, indicating you know this scenario is impossible and therefore haven't given it much thought.

[Something_Smart]

I'm sick of getting bullied by RC

this better just be defense for when you get lynched D3, or else you're being needlessly abusive as town

This.
There's plenty in his posts to indicate he is scum. The ad hom is not necessary. Though I will agree that if you are town, you messed up pretty badly by not fighting your lynch all day.

[Something_Smart]

tell you what H&H, how about this re:Aristo

if you're town and Aristo is scum, I'll take the blame for the loss
if you're town and Aristo is town, you take the blame for the loss
if you're scum, carry on.

How about this:
You take the blame for your own loss and stop prophesying that we will lose. Why would town be so defeatist.

[Something_Smart]

S_S - do you see a world where we lynch someone else instead of me today?

It looks like several players would rather vote Ari, so I could see an Ari lynch today. Not really anyone else though.

You should be analyzing my interactions with H&H instead of wasting time talking down to me. If you don't intend to re-evaluate your scumread on me, then quit wasting my time asking pointless questions that will be answered as soon as my lynch goes through.

We're not lynching H&H today, so this doesn't seem necessary today. Maybe tomorrow.

I had a dream we lynched guilty in Lylo and lost and Ari was scum and won lol. Anyone here believe in seeing the future in your dreams?

Is this your way of saying that you don't want to vote GL today?

I had a dream we lynched guilty in Lylo and lost and Ari was scum and won lol. Anyone here believe in seeing the future in your dreams?

Dreams are merely your subconscious sorting out possible outcomes, weighing their likelihood, and preparing in advance so your conscious actions can be more calculated.

Lol this feels like a subtle scumclaim

@lane, flubber, ari: what's your read on GL?

[Something_Smart]

I managed to get in 3 of my words. The hardest 3
Good game, by the way. I didn't expect the quicklynch given the word sneak mechanic.
Who was the cop? Also, what were everybody's words?

[Something_Smart]

Horns and SS definitely aren't scum together

Well...

Yeah I did a silent "yes!" when I read that
I actually did think the BNL wagon was crap, by the way; I read the game before I got my role pm and was not thrilled with it. And it was all town, too.
Pedit: oh my god I am terrible at guessing :/

[Something_Smart]

349 wasn't scummy though.
It was bad. But no scum would do that on purpose.

Pedit: the cop was you Postie? Who did you check?
I was going to claim cop with an inno on H&H and a guilty on Flubber because we thought it was him... that probably would have screwed us over RC was convinced it wasn't you

[Something_Smart]

Anyway, GG all

[Something_Smart]

At the

very least

he's not reading and not paying attention the game.

This is how I'm reading the situation. I'll take another look though.

Regarding your H&H guarantee, I've seen scum!RC write up similar cases before. Not sure why you're townreading them so strongly.

Reading that case, I'm even more confident in my read. I could explain why I'm so sure, but I don't know if I want to narrow their already slim chances of making it through N1. Since I probably have the cop on me tonight and scum know the results, I'm hoping I'll be killed instead and they can get their head in the game tomorrow.

This was nice.
When the mafia pt is opened (which is ok with me btw) you can see RC's PoE to find the cop that had you as VT (I think) due to this interaction.

[Something_Smart]

No, it's because she said she'd be ok being lynched if she had to stop being a distraction.

Ugh.

Ok so it was later in that interaction. Regardless, nice cop play by Postie, it would have been interesting to see the 2v2 had I claimed my intended guilty on Flubber.

[Something_Smart]

The DV has the right idea, in that scum and town both have incentive to strive for it, but it's too strong in the hands of scum. Perhaps a neighborize? Have each person send in a neighborize target with their guesses and give the neighborhood daytalk, that could be powerful if two mutual townreads get it.
Concerning the quickhammer issue, maybe you could add a 24-hour twilight phase after the hammer to let people get their words in.

[Something_Smart]

Nope, no daytalk. Don't really think it would have been that helpful or necessary, we mostly had well-defined strategies.

We're good to have it released but there's nothing really itneresting in there.

Ditto for me.