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Post #16 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:49 am
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 14, Fire Starter wrote:Blue, why did you not choose treestump? As a possible role? Two scenarios: 1) you got much much better roles, or 2) you chose scum roles thus making treestump useless.
Take your pick.
Is tree stump a good role ? I though my it would have been pretty boring. Is it what Flubber was in the last game ?
I don't think you can infer much from the discard. In my case you can just let guess that I assumed that Flubber had a boring role and didn't want to end up the same.
Now, that you explain it, I can see how it could be useful for us to have a confirmed town as a tree stump ?
I am not familiar with this setup but if I was tree stump, I don't think my identity would be revealed when I choose to be tree stump making the role even less powerful ?
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Post #21 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:03 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
Now your turn FS; what should I infer from your discard ?
You didn't want to be werewolf or FBI Agent ? Or you got better roles ? The problem is that the setup uses cards for roles OR alignment so there are quite a lot of possibilities.
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Post #24 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:12 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 23, Fire Starter wrote:Your identity should be revealed, but some games vary. There is literally no benefit to scum being treestumps so even if your alignment wasn't revealed, you'd be assumed town.
As for me, I didn't get an FBI discard. I got a bus driver. I didn't want to be scum, and I didn't see how being a bus driver benefited town besides screwing with their Night actions.
My discard should be more than enough to make me the towniest one here.
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Post #28 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:18 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 25, Fire Starter wrote:Also, that's my point. You didn't want to be town? You got rid of a town aligent role and a nice town power. That's really bad. I've played the Great Idea games enough to know that the discards tell a lot. Sometimes not until a flip is revealed but discards are always a clue.
Pedit: and since town has majority, odds are I hit town, and if I do not scum, what if they aren't the scum making the kill? It's not useful as town.
It's not an ability to use every night but only when you think something could happen. At least that s how I use t in town of Salem.
FS you assume that I didn't get 3 or more town cards, I need only two for my alignment and two for my roles. Similarly you have a big chance to have had 3 scum cards and you felt the need to claim that you are the most towny player.
I am not sure if you were trying to fish for town PRs to assassinate during the night in addition to claim being townie.
After all you seem to be focuses more on how much better the other roles are than our alignment ? Are you gonna kill me tonight ?
Also I would like to declare that I am hated so it will take one less vote to lynch me. Don't let that stop you from putting votes on me if you think I am scum or if you want to pressure me.
This is why Maestro says it would take 5 votes to lynch most of people: it will take only 4 for me and should we get close to LyLo, I shallow be lynched for us to win except if we are 100% sure to hit scum.
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Post #53 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:56 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 52, Fire Starter wrote:We were out of rvs, so you putting me to L-1 is serious. In a game that could potentially have 4 scum roles, mislynching is a serious fuck up.
I'll unvote you although I counted 3 votes: maybe I miscounted (on the phone)
In post 45, Ranger wrote:{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}
@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.
Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).
@Blue
I bet you're lying.
I am not lying: I don't know what to say about this one. The only logical reasons I see for your statement are that you are either trying to set me up for future attacks or you got another modifier like loved (or can you be hated as well in this setup ? I am not sure)
In post 45, Ranger wrote:{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}
@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.
Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).
@Blue
I bet you're lying.
I am not lying: I don't know what to say about this one. The only logical reasons I see for your statement are that you are either trying to set me up for future attacks or you got another modifier like loved (or can you be hated as well in this setup ? I am not sure)
Out of curiosity, how would a loved/hated modifier explain it?
@Ircher Just flat out saying "welp your lying" without any evidence to back it up is suspect. If you're going to FOS someone, you need reasons.
I was tempted to ask why before to write what I wrote to get answers from Ircher but it is simple: I explained why Maestro said it would take not 5 votes to vote some of us.
If Ircher had as well a modifier, he could think: Maestro said this for me, not for Blue, therefore Blue is lying.
So I suspected he could have a modifier as well. The other possibilities are that he just does not like me or he is setting me up so that future attacks on me looks OK as I am a on easy target or he is just testing my reaction.
Personally I don't see the benefit of lying about this modifier as it will never plays in my benefit that people think I am hated ? Did I miss something ? As soon as you hammer me, if I was lying you would see it and call me out ? Also being hated means that I need to die before LyLo for us to win.
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Post #58 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:51 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 57, SarasaKat wrote:But what if you both had the same modifier? Him having it wouldn't rule you out as having it, would it?
I don't see much motivation for lying about Hated/Loved, either. Saying you're loved would lynch you where you'd claim you're at L-1, and hated would mean you need to get lynched before LYLO soo.
I don't know the answer to your first question, I only read the rules of the game fairly quickly, I'll check tomorrow.
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Post #68 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:48 am
Postby BlueTrin »
I'll reply when I am back from work but I didn't want to wake up lynched cutting the first day short because people would put me at L-1.
I am town but I know that Ranger is good so he must have not liked something on me and also FS would put a vote. The logical conclusion would have been to put me at L-1 except I would have been lynched.
Even the Wiki itself said it is debatable whether you should say it ...
In post 52, Fire Starter wrote:We were out of rvs, so you putting me to L-1 is serious. In a game that could potentially have 4 scum roles, mislynching is a serious fuck up.
So you agree we should lynch blue today?
I didn't like too much how you jumped to that conclusion so quickly. Maybe I have a bias because I am the target but it felt like you were going for a quick lynch.
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Post #98 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:24 am
Postby BlueTrin »
If it is better for us for me to be killed I'll accept my fate, I would have preferred to not have to declared my hated stays but I didn't want the day to finish early.
My mistake: I just don't like to lurk even if this would have better for us ...
I believe that Ranger and FS genuinely tried to find whether I am scum.
SarasaKat, you saty that Ranger changed his opinion about me: my opinion is that town will usually change their opinion because we do not know who is scum, therefore we will engage in an investigation process to determine who is scum. This is what FS and Ranger have been doing.
Also this is why I didn't like lane post: instead of investigating whether I am just scum, he just asked if everybody was ok to lynch me, which is nearly the same thing but with a different tone.
Persivul gave a slight defense on Lane, can be genuine or not but should be kept for later.
I don't like Ircher reaction as well: it is way too early for a reaction like his
If anyone feels like I shall be lynched as it looks like there would be more scum than town, tell me, I will even hammer myself if needed
Lowell wants to finish the day quickly as well: I am a bit surprised, in the other games, people want to use as much time as they can every day, is this because you are all much more experienced ?
This is the post I didn't like too much, even if he is flailing, why shouldn't use the time to make Ari talk for example ? Also Lowell, your ISO is a bit empty for now.
In post 125, Lowell wrote:hadn't even read just above my post. Eh, this is awful flailing from ircher. textbook "ugh I'm mad you're voting me for no reason without letting me explain it's so unfair i'm taking my ball and going home."
It's over. Let's end it for this guy. worry about sara or whoever tomorrow.
Ari, let's hear more from you now, Ircher consider that my vote is on you for now. VOTE: Aristophanes
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Post #143 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:19 am
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 142, SarasaKat wrote:@Blue I wouldn't really call it salty.. More confused/suspicious than not that he said he thought you were scum to he thought you were town on the same page.
In post 164, BlueTrin wrote:FS this is a very good post, how can we trust that you didn't manipulate the numbers ?
What is your guess about the number of scums in this game ?
I gave you the game numbers to look them up if needed.
In any game scum can be anywhere from 1-4. If there is 4, it's typically two separate factions.
Given the discards, I'm guessing 3-4 scum. The opening post said to try and pick scum roles so I'm leaning more towards 4. Town usually doesn't win in these game but with this being pretty obvious from the discards, this miiiiight be an exception.
That means you should lynch me on the first day then.
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Post #168 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:10 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 167, Fire Starter wrote:If you're town, then no fucking way. If you're town and there are four scum you're screwing us by offering yourself up.
Yes, outing yourself early was bad, but I have a feeling we need as many town as possible. If you are kept alive, then that is indeed bad, but if there are two factions, they still have to compete with each other and can't exactly sync up with killing you.
This sucks actually. You need to be gone from the game regardless of alignment, but if you're town then you need to be NK not lynched.
I was at risk of being lynched accidentally, I saw myself being voted by you and being put at L-1 by other people.
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Post #173 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:46 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 172, Ircher wrote:I just looked at Ari's ISO, he hasn't contributed anything at all; is that normal for him? VOTE: Ari
Also, don't like how Lowell wanted to end the day quickly by lynching me -- I'm against quick lynches.
You are referring to this post ? I didn't like it either.
In post 125, Lowell wrote:hadn't even read just above my post. Eh, this is awful flailing from ircher. textbook "ugh I'm mad you're voting me for no reason without letting me explain it's so unfair i'm taking my ball and going home."
It's over. Let's end it for this guy. worry about sara or whoever tomorrow.
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Post #202 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:50 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
I believe he is lying personally because a town role cop isn't that useful, is it ? Why would you try to be a town role cop ? Unless you tried to be a scum role cop and failed ?
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Post #206 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:54 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 203, Ircher wrote:Idk, I wanted Aa PR, Rolecop sounded interesting.
How a town role cop will help you to find scum ?
If you could keep bodyguard and cop, you could have put role cop and VT for alignment, then you were guaranteed to be town BG or cop which is much more useful ?
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Post #215 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:09 pm
Postby BlueTrin »
I can relate to some of his bad choices, for example I thought tree stump was neutral.
I asked the mod but didn't want to wait, I don't like to wait for a game so I sent my choices and discarded tree stump, I didn't realise it could be town. So Ircher defense kind of makes sense to me, plus unless he wifoms, a scum would have prepared a better defense ?
Maybe he only lied on the result of the random part chosen by the mod ?
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Post #308 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:51 am
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 306, Fire Starter wrote:I'm going for a run. It finally got warm here in Michigan, but I will be back later. Blue Trin, you had best convince me you're a survivor otherwise I will lynch you tonight. Work with town and we will spare you. Help us find scum.
FS it was always my intention to work with you except that I wanted to kill Lowell.
I have been quite cooperative since the beginning.
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Post #319 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:14 am
Postby BlueTrin »
In post 317, lane0168 wrote:Honestly love the reputation I'm building for myself. Cause it's true. Shit for finding scum, good for looking like town lol.
If you knew ranger was good at reading people, why do you ask why id pick ranger? Seems obvious even to you
Well at first I hoped your answer first, second FS is more noisy than Ranger. He is posting a lot and finger pointing a lot.
Lane that was my angle all along (no it wasn't I admit)
As a survivor I think I have very high chances to be lynched, I kind of hoped there would be 2 scum factions fighting each other and leaving me alone, looks like it is not the case.