Micro 591: Cheetory Mafia [See Who Won!]

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ugh @ ami

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Who's excited for an itlepip scumflip?!?!

~Spiffy

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Luckily he's not flipping survivor

~Spiffy

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Um

If you don't think he's scum why did you hammer?

~Spiffy

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VOTE: Spifflop

Who was avoiding the scum lynch.
This one was.

Lol

I'm leaning towards Ari still but I got some town vibes towards the end of the day so I should prob reread

~Spiffy

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You should reread the flip

Also UTL is still town

~Spiffy

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didnt realize this game openned lol

hm

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he's saying we were distancing ourselves?

honestly UTL I can't remember why I didn't hammer. IIRC I was at rehearsal at that point and it may have slipped my mind? we were obviously in favour of that lynch lol

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thats why it makes no sense as distancing. We were hugely advocating for the wagon

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I'm glad we've all universally decided to ignore beeboy before I had to yell at anyone

We're learning

~Spiffy

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Can someone point me to an UTL case because I am not seeing it at all

~Spiffy

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Everyone that's posted looks really town which makes me think I should continue with my PoE list and it's just Amihan and Aristophanes?

~Spiffy

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I guess it could be Zito too

~Spiffy

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VOTE: Aristophanes

~Spiffy

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Town: {UTL, ErrantParabola, beeboy}
Townlean: {Papa Zito}
Scum: {Amihan, Aristophanes}

Is where I'm at rn

Amihan doesn't even look all that scummy to me but everyone else looks townier so idk

~Spiffy

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No one wants to talk to me?

~Spiffy

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Like I really don't see a good reason to think Aristophanes is town

His votes just go to whoever's the popular opinion at the time. He "forgets" why he was scum reading us when our wagon starts to dissipate

His jump to UTL because of Zito's case looks really forced, like he noticed momentum building there and tried to get there ahead of the game

His entry posts claiming his slot was really scummy is just blehhh

And HE SHOULD FUCKING KNOW how pissed I get when wagoned as town so that was bs too

~Spiffy

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Yeah you should just vote Aristophanes tbh

~Spiffy

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My current theory is that outside of UTL, I'm looking at Spifflop, and I'll withhold judgment on Ari (cause of the chev offensive) until a UTL flip.

This makes zero sense

~Spiffy

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You're passing judgement on us despite not having read through our ISO or w/e but Ari is only a consideration for AFTER UTL flips?

~Spiffy

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I'm pretty confident beeboy is town

~Spiffy

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He won't

He loves me too much to leave

~Spiffy

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That's fair. I could totally be barking up the wrong tree there. I'm just having a suuuuuuper hard time wrapping my head around what he's doing rn. The filter he's chosen and the reason for it just make 0 sense and I feel like someone with that much experience wouldn't be holding onto that particular crackpot theory but what do I know.

Unfortunately that's just beeboy

~Spiffy

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Things that aren't going to fly today: naked votes

~Spiffy

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Like are you serious Amihan?

Several people have expressed that they want more people to contribute to the discussion and you think that's just going to fly?

~Spiffy

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Nah you're just scum

~Spiffy

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trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with amihan? That was seriously wack.

Equally wack, aristo's response to it.

I also know what I am doing is objectively scummy, and I'd be all over me if I weren't me. As I would have been with Chevrolet.

this just seems way out of character from the aristophanes I'm used to playing with.

Spiffeh and I are debating what to do. This could be the worst bus ever by aristo?

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I have. And I'm having a super tough time figuring out wtf is going on. I think you obvscummed early and are now trying to play like a fool to try and survive

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Ari why are you scum reading Amihan?

~Spiffy

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Like it's hard to shake that you're doing the same thing you've been doing all game: voting where momentum is building.

What happened to your UTL scum read?

~Spiffy

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While I'm leaning towards Amihan for the other scum I am much more confident in lynching Aristophanes today

And I don't get why beeboy is dancing around him

~Spiffy

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VOTE: aristophanes

why is this game stalling

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Because no one can give a good reason to townread Aristophanes yet they refuse to vote for him

~Spiffy

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vote aro beeboy

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r u townreading aristophanes

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wtf is this game

where is ep

where is aristo

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beeboy I will be ignoring every post of yours until one includes a valid reason why you are townreading Aristophanes

~Spiffy

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Not really?

Like both hiplop and myself have explained exactly why we believe Ari's actions HAVE been promoting a scum agenda and he's been ignoring these points and now opting to wagon UTL who is my strongest townread.

I'm not trying to chase you out it's just frustrating people are finding any reason to not vote for Ari when he is so obvscum

~Spiffy

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amihan are you saying what I think you are...?

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yea this is pre ridic

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ok so I went over UTL's iso and i don't really find anything scummy, I guess?
But there's not a lot (maybe nothing) that really makes me want to townread her.

I'm okay with lynching Aristo. If aristo flips town, then lynch UTL. If UTL flips town, lynch spifflop, then amihan (or have we lost already, i'm not doing the math)
If aristo flips scum, lynch spifflop or amihan for the win or something like that.
I'll save actual scrutiny on PZ for later.

Actually, I might want to lynch spifflop if aristo flips town.

"I DONT TOWNREAD OR SCUMREAD ANYONE"

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he just called everyone in the game a viable lynch target and worth pursuing

that is the ultimate fucking fencesit + lining up lynches

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ok sorry everyone but zulfy

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Sorry I've been neglecting this game

Mostly because I still think Ari is a slam dunk and don't want this day to end in any other lynch

~Spiffy

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mollie was town

EP is still town

~Spiffy

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Um can we not lynch UTL?

I'm not leaving obvscum Ari for a wagon that no one can even justify

(or at least justify to my liking)

~Spiffy

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no kill us I'm also bored.

how the fuck is aristo still alive

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no kill us I'm also bored.

how the fuck is aristo still alive

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faking a guilty is stupid also

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Oh hey a hammer

~Spiffy

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panzer is obviously pj

hooligan

~Spiffy

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Ari stop trolling me ihy

I think Ami is the other one

~Spiffy

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Can I call you Papa Zeets?

~Spiffy

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And I can sit on your lap and you tell me stories?

~Spiffy

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Jfc

I hate LYLO

~Spiffy

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Pretty sure EP is the mason

Which means one of AT LEAST one of Zito and UTL has been fooling me which makes me sad

Still think Ami is scum but I'm gonna have to read some shit over

~Spiffy

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Zito where's your head at right now?

~Spiffy

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I'd like to think UTL wouldn't be able to fool me this hard if she were scum

~Spiffy

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also y'all are lynching beeboy over my dead body so unless you wanna tangle with me I wld leave him alone!

Yea with this I'm pretty sure that EP is the mason

I'm surprised scum didn't catch on tbh

~Spiffy

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Or maybe they saw Cheet as a bigger threat idk

~Spiffy

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I mean if you're scum it's a compliment lol

You have just seemed really genuine to me all game and that's basically me saying I'm leaning towards you being town

But I'm not ready to commit to that until I read through some stuff

~Spiffy

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Where did Ami call it out?

~Spiffy

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Good point

The problem is at least one of you is scum

So I don't really know what to think?

~Spiffy

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Actually UTL why don't you think scum would make that post Ami did?

~Spiffy

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Ami vs. Panz doesn't really look like scum theater to me

~Spiffy

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Why are you listing us and Zito as the PoE scum but still claiming to be skeptical of Ami?

I don't think Ami noticing the behavior of beeboy and mollie is the smoking gun of towniness you're making it out to be

~Spiffy

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Like I also noticed the possible mason thing but you're not using that to townread us?

~Spiffy

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Also spiffy ping ponging votes all over the place is double suspicious. I am working something around in my mind right now, but spiffy still not looking good. Could be noob town though.

It should be extremely obvious why I stopped voting for beeboy

~Spiffy

I also mentioned a few times an assumption I was making that I wasn't sure was right

That was that they were masons

~Spiffy

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bleehhhhhh

idk

~Spiffy

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I really don't think Zito and Ami can be scum together unless Ami's only play Day 1 was to hardcore bus her scumbuddy?

Which means it's UTL by PoE?

I'm gonna talk to hippy

And I wanna hear what EP has to say

~Spiffy

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But UTL has looked so town all game



~Spiffy

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~Spiffy

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Hiplop is here. Sorry I've been absent because of SCUMMIES.

Which you should all read <3

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^ same question to you utl. You seem to be half-committing to a few ideas here.

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Zito I'm kinda worried that you've become a lot less forthcoming with your thoughts on players and are making posts that could be passed off as content without really committing in any direction

~Spiffy

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I mean I guess you said earlier that you were still townreading us but from what you've presented today doesn't seem like you're really investigating further?

~Spiffy

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From UTL I see a genuine effort to figure things whereas the other two are kinda just waiting around? I'm conflicted

rn I'm waiting on EP to say things

Hopefully said things will be enlightening

~Spiffy

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I really don't see panzer being scum tho. Like, I don't think hes good enough of a mafia player (<3 u pj) to come off that townie as scum?

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We claimed already I think?

~Spiffy

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We're VT

~Spiffy

yea

~Spiffy

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I don't really agree with writing off Ami as town because she mixed some players up

~Spiffy

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Like what makes town more likely to do that than scum?

~Spiffy

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I still have to reread bc

someone

got me addicted to League and I did that instead of mafia this weekend.

But like I've been townreading every fucking slot that's left so I'm kind of frustrated.

Gut is strongly saying Amihan is town here though which again, would leave you and Zito.

you're going to reread soon, yea? I don't think a gutread on amihan is enough to really put much faith in lylo

I'm pretty confident in zito being town. Spiffeh keeps talking me down there, but like both of the people in that slot have read super town. And I can see utl/amihan much more than I can see other combos. The weird cop gambit followed by stopping it right before people started getting serious about deciding between the wagons is suspect. Seems like it was a very strange bus.

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league stopped me from doing that ashley

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I read one of them for sure.

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I've ranted to you before. We have been nightkilled night 1 like 4 times and wanted to actually be able to play, make it past night 1.

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we're both students doing finals yo

Im also watching survivor

let me watch survivor in peace plz

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I'm here kinda

I think I believe Ami's tracker claim actually

Everything she said about mixing EP up with Panzer!slot and dropping that scum read around that time checks out

EP was this why you thought Ami was town or was there another reason?

~Spiffy

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But that means UTL had me misted all game which I don't want to believe

~Spiffy

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UTL

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UTL

~Spiffy

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In addition, I would be VERY unsurprised setup-wise if we had a town investigative of this sort considering we have likely a two-member scumteam and an SK.

This is a good point

It's not even extremely reliable because an innocents are only soft-innocents, scum and sk wouldn't even be able to be PoE'd

Ami is prob telling the truth

~Spiffy

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Yeah UTL is promoting this Zito/Spifflop scum team but almost exclusively pushing us and leaving Zito alone

They're scum together

~Spiffy

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VOTE: UTL

I don't see a situation where shes town. Theres a small chance amihan is lying with zito town, but either way that makes UTL scum

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that was hippy not spiffy

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and...yea?

if you believe ami, you should be voting us. I mostly trust it. I have more faith in zito town than you-town, too.

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do you really see zito/amihan making sense? I don't. At all. It makes no sense.

Which takes both of them out of logical lynch candidate for me. Even if ami is lying with a claim, you're the only lynch candidate that makes ANY sense from my PoV. I know you're scum, 100%.

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UTL.

Ami/zito makes no sense.

so that means

its either

utl/zito
utl/amihan.

whats the common denominator?

utl

for you, replace UTL with "Spifflop"

you not voting me implies you are not town

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I actually do think amihan is your partner. But that doesn't matter today.

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you should have an easy choice here.

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mostly trust it over you being town. Just like zito.

poorly worded post now that I look at it tbh

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You have called me "obvtown" and your strongest town read all game, yet you aren't even hesitant with this.

UTL if you thought that this was me then acting like this progression doesn't make sense coming from town!me is ridiculous

Amihan's story checks out and her claim makes perfect sense given her actions and the setup.

She is town. Therefore, you and Zito must be scum

PoE trumps any read I had on you previously, which I was wavering on recently anyway

~Spiffy

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Like I feel like I know how this is going to go, especially with Amihan saying she probably isn't going to change her mind and she's been wanting me lynched for a while. I'm so demotivated right now, I just want this to be fucking over. If Amihan is actually tracker like her claim seems to check out to be, the scumteam has to be spiff/zito. No, panzer/spiffs fight really didn't seem like scum vs scum. But I know panzer never took this game seriously anyway so they might have decided to bus each other for lolz. I don't fucking know at this point.

I know I'm town. My pm still says VT. EP is conftown. Amihan's claim seems to check out. The only real issue I have is her not wanting to hear at all from Spifflop. Ami, You tracked EP N1 thinking it was Panzer slot, and tracked Spiff N2. By N2 Zito was widely townread so it would make sense for him to do the kill meaning spiff wouldn't have gone anywhere. On that note, since you tracked Spiff n2, I'm assuming you had some sort of scumread on them. I don't remember you ever mentioning that anywhere. Why did you decide to track them in particular?

Had you not mixed EP and Zito slots up, would you still have been scumreading that slot D2?You wanted that slot lynched with fire, have you gone back and reread that slot, now knowing that you had them confused?

Mollie/Beeboy wanted a dead spifflop D1. Maybe there's something EP can review in mason thread from that perspective.
I'll probably come back to this tomorrow when I'm in a better state of mind, but right now I just can't.

Wait a minute. Your vote was on me all Day 2. Though I know you say you were softing a fake guilty to get reactions,at the end of Day 1 you were dead set I was scum. I can see why you would track PJ (EP) D1 because you had scumread that slot all game, but since you never said anything about Spiff being scum it makes no sense why you wouldn't have tracked me. I need to go back and look for Ami/Spiff associations. Something doesn't feel right.

Lol why would you leave all the stuff in about Ami's claim checking out if you were ending the post leaning towards an us/Ami scum team?

This is obv fake read progression

~Spiffy

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Zito/UTL scum team is obvious at this point

UTL yanking a Spifflop/Ami scum team out of thin air despite saying multiple times that Ami's claim makes sense

And STILL not considering Zito whatsoever

makes this extremely clear

~Spiffy

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utl/amihan.

Stop

You were wrong about Panzer, get over it.

There is absolutely no reason to think Ami is anything other than what she claims

~Spiffy

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If your biggest problem with us is our hydra dissonance then this decision should be easy

I get EP wants to take their time on this but it would make me feel better if they were here to share their thoughts on recent events

~Spiffy

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You know why none of our associations with other players make sense as scum?

Because we're not scum



~Spiffy

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I'm glad you are seeing things my way EP

~Spiffy

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1552- hippy, talk to me about UTL/amihan. You don't believe the claim?

I'm conflicted. I believe the claim, but I'm having huge reservations about zito. I really think that slot is town and spiffeh keeps yelling at me but I feel there is more at play.