Micro 601: Traitors amongst us [game over]

[Maestro]

Too many familiar faces

/suicide

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VOTE: postie

PEDIT: gfo, I already have champagne in front of me IRL I don't need your swill

[Maestro]

If I always look town even when I'm scum this is going to be an awfully hard game.

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Townpost.

Which means we vote him

I don't know about your wincon but *shrug*

VOTE: RC

[Maestro]

...I'm fine keeping my vote riiiiight where it is

[Maestro]

so like the mafia know who the mafia are, but are still aligned with the traitors but don't know who the traitors are and the town don't know who each other are?

VOTE: Dwlee99

could it be any easier

[Maestro]

so like the mafia know who the mafia are, but are still aligned with the traitors but don't know who the traitors are and the town don't know who each other are?

VOTE: Dwlee99

could it be any easier

What makes this scream town to you?

The fact that he doesn't understand the Scum situation / role PM information.

[Maestro]

the first post was too, Postie
stop being obtuse or you're next

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[Maestro]

There's a fundamental way that I think people are misunderstanding the setup whereby they don't realize that this game is pretty unlosable for scum as long as we keep NLing.

This you need to explain.

[Maestro]

VOTE: RC

There is no scenario in which consistently NLing gets us the win. The moment you saw somebody prepared to say that, you launched yourself at them with everything you had. You gamed the mod into twisting the setup and removing what COULD have been a winning (read: game-breaking) strategy for us, and you're manipulating the shitposters (Ari, dw) and the sheeple (Postie, whoever-the-fuck-else-is-in-this-game) into following your every word as law.

It's the only way any of your bullshit this game makes sense. I'm not willing to take chances like Postie is. You've already claimed not-main-Mafia, so I don't give a fuck what you are. If you're a Traitor I take comfort that you're one of 2 MLes we have left, not including myself. That is something I'm most definitely willing to chance, but I'll double-check the math when I'm in front of my laptop.

[Maestro]

Seriously Ari? Go read page 12. There's also 9 people in this game. Boo hoo over you.

[Maestro]

I was mainly referencing point 2 when I was saying reread page 12. I haven't said RC is town, but you all should've realized by now that the alignments are essentially switched this game except wincons are all fucked up. If somebody were being THIS opaque in leading a Town in a normal game around by the nose, we wouldn't deal with it. Why're we dealing with it in this game when he's done nothing to show us his motivation is genuine?

[Maestro]

Dwlee is Town

[Maestro]

VOTE: RC

[Maestro]

I agree. And I'm willing to claim traitor; Postie might as well out her partner but NOT WHICH OF YOU is the Neo for obv reasons.

[Maestro]

Unless I missed something...?

[Maestro]

Glad people stopped being stupid yesterday with RC, even if we did lose a day. I'm perfectly happy with my lynch. I guess I'm most-trusted Traitor? Who do I venge? Chilled?

[Maestro]

Isn't it better to leave chilled for later and shoot for the Neo today...? Ari won't be able to find the Neo tonight because it would yield a false-positive. We can just leave chilledwine as vengebait for tomorrow hoping we hit the Neo today.

@Ari: I'm still not convinced Dwlee is a Traitor, but there's no way of figuring that out. I had the EXACT same mindset/reaction to RC's bullshit as BlackStar did, so I'm more inclined to think he's Traitor and our shots should go to chilled / Dwlee, who became a lot more active and less trolly this Day for no reason I can particularly see (except maybe that he wanted to contribute to his faction's success now that it depended on him).

PEDIT: You've lost, chilled. AtE won't help you - the only thing that's going to save your faction now is your partner staying hidden.

[Maestro]

Aristo is lying about me.

BTW Aristophanes as all-but-confirmed Mafia Neopolitan would have absolutely no reason to lie about you. Shush please.

[Maestro]

Changed my mind after looking at this.

[1] Maestro
[6] BlackStar
[7] Dwlee99
[8] Not_Mafia

Lynch me today. I venge chilled.
Lynch Dwlee99 tomorrow and he venges N_M if he's a Traitor.

That should literally guarantee a win, and it only assumes that one of my reads is right.

[1] Maestro - Traitor
[5] chilledtea - VT
[6] BlackStar - probTraitor
[7] Dwlee99 - Traitor/VT
[8] Not_Mafia - Traitor/VT
[9] Aristophanes - MafNeo

PEDIT: "Don't do this Aristophanes, you're my only hope!" ...sounds like AtE to me...



Yes, it really is that simple.

[Maestro]

You can say what you want; I'm not really paying attention.
If you're ok with being venged, then act like you're ok with being venged.

[Maestro]

P.S. If you're not Town, from your PoV Aristophanes must be a lying Town Neo...? Who is the other Town?

[Maestro]

I'm much more sure of BlackStar than you or N_M. He and I had the EXACT same thought process / approach to RC's bullshit NL policy; I already said that.

[Maestro]

I can argue whatever the fuck I want. I have LITERALLY no feelings about you being Scum. I have a feeling about BlackStar being Scum, and I'm going with that. Suck it up. It's not like you can argue this with me - it's on opinion.

[Maestro]

You know, I don't actually have to engage with you

[Maestro]

the thing that makes me doubt maestro's scumminess is their refusal to talk to me and pretty much deciding I have to be the town neo.

That's never what I've said. From my PoV, if I believe BlackStar is Scum, you/NM are the other VT or the Neo and chilled is pretty universally Townread, meaning he's just dead weight at this point.

So, simply, we get rid of you three (however that needs to happen, or 2/3 if we get it super-right) and we win.

[Maestro]

Correct

[Maestro]

Well you were obviously wrong. Why would RCTown link to me being Town AT ALL when I was the main one who called him out?

[Maestro]

VOTE: Maestro

Really, Dwlee, you have no grounds to contest me on anything I've said today when the one consensusTownread is voting you. That insanely telling.

[Maestro]

There's no need for intent.

[Maestro]

Or you, because

[Maestro]

Except I haven't pushed a strategy that favors Town for the whole game whilst relying on a baseless group-read to maintain support. Keep trying Dwlee.

[Maestro]

You two are just hilarious ITT rn

[Maestro]

Also now the confirmed town read is voting you, so that must be "insanely telling"

Humorous timing wasn't it?

[Maestro]

Sell me one way or the other (I knew it was hammer but I didn't want people shutting down discussion)

[Maestro]

RC just butthurt he didn't get away with lobotomizing us for another Day

[Maestro]

Set-up was interesting, I wish we'd gone with RC's no lynch plan

Ummm uuuuum UUUUUH so you realize he was Town who was just trying to game Scum into playing a strategy that would've made this game ezpz for Town to just shoot everybody, right?

[Maestro]

Great shot Blackstar, and awesome work traitoring it up, Dwlee!

yea I tried to just obvscum the last two days really hard. haha to all the people that said I had to be town for that question.

You played objectively badly the first couple of Days. I'm glad he shot right in the end, but I would've shot you almost for-sure.

[Maestro]

The "townslip" simply didn't say what you were saying it did

I never said it was a Townslip, I don't think...I just thought he was useless.

[Maestro]

Set-up was interesting, I wish we'd gone with RC's no lynch plan

Ummm uuuuum UUUUUH so you realize he was Town who was just trying to game Scum into playing a strategy that would've made this game ezpz for Town to just shoot everybody, right?

I mean, he was the final towny, right?

Oh.........right

[Maestro]

Just call it "Jester" and make it worth 0 points like XBL or PSN do with some of their sillier achievements.

RC, chilledtea hammering you didn't matter. I really don't think you had a

ZOMG SUPR SEEKRIT

Plan

that could've changed how the game went. The only thing that really mattered after you died was whether or not the last person lynched was N_M / whether or not the last person lynched would kill N_M.

[Maestro]

I

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these are correct.. Only did the bare minimum the last week, so I neglected this a bit.

Achievements

General

Riddles in the dark

- Thanks for partaking in a game by me, Sméagol!

// post (can't replace out)

Nifty Fifty

- Make 50 posts.

// public

Hammer time

- Hammer a lynch.

// public

Living on the edge

- Got to L-1, yet got to live another day.

// public

String 'm up

- Succesfully lynch someone not from your faction.

// post

Prod dodge

- Never been prodded.

// post

Here to stay

- Never replaced out.

// post

Late to the party

- Thanks for replacing in!

// public

Victorious

- Winner of Micro 601!

// post

I am error

- Pointed out a mistake the mod made! How dare you.

// public

Set-up specific

If I go down, I'm taking you with me!

- Put your revenge kill to good use (i.e. on someone of the opposing faction)

// public

FTR, I'm going to do these as a mod in the future. It also seems like it would be an extra way for me to stay invested in my own games. Thanks Sméagol!

[Maestro]

It's the fact that I would 1) never have been lynched

I'm just going to have to disagree here, I dunno! Dwlee obviously didn't like the NL plan, and even if he was dead-set against voting you I bet we could've convinced Postie or Aristophanes to vote you prevent NL. You obviously didn't have majority support for it anymore; once 4 of us preferred you being dead to NL you'd lost your momentum. You had us going for awhile - I know I wracked my brain trying to think of some way it could be in Scum's benefit to NL when the real answer was staring me in the face for an embarrassingly long time.