Micro 606: Experimental Mafia 2: Overtime (*SIGH*) GAME OVER

beeboy · Post Post #79 (isolation #0) » Mon May 02, 2016 4:44 am

OH EGG IS SCUM.
I thought Lowell and Ranger where the same people.
Cause Ranger replaced into this game.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T FOLLOW MY STRAT YOU ARE STILL SCUM BECAUSE I CAN CONF 4 PLAYERS AS TOWN.

beeboy · Post Post #112 (isolation #1) » Mon May 02, 2016 11:27 am

Oh boy!

beeboy · Post Post #117 (isolation #2) » Mon May 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Ranger to be fair when i said you where scum I thought you replaced into the lowell slot and the slip was he didn't realize the name of the slot he voted changed, not that he literally voted someone who you cannot vote.
My brain kinda skipped a beat (idk what to say here) and I think you are probably town now.

beeboy · Post Post #118 (isolation #3) » Mon May 02, 2016 12:30 pm

In post 116, Ranger wrote:I intend to vote myself this time since I'm going to be confirmed town.

Ranger you won't be confirmed town though, I will be though so you can vote me

beeboy · Post Post #119 (isolation #4) » Mon May 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Also you aren't allowed to vote yourself.

beeboy · Post Post #120 (isolation #5) » Mon May 02, 2016 12:33 pm

Sorry for quad posting Ranger, but the idea is the conf town choose (not me there will be other conf town that can choose) who everyone votes to make sure we have an even split of 4 and 4.

beeboy · Post Post #122 (isolation #6) » Mon May 02, 2016 12:43 pm

In post 121, Ranger wrote:
beeboy wrote:Ranger you won't be confirmed town though
I kinda am, though.

Ircher keeping track kind-of means this should be obvious to everyone.

Let me explain.

Egg claimed to vote Lowell both times.
When he retracted his claim, he said he voted me the second time.
The implication there is that he voted Lowell the first time.
The problem is...
I
voted Lowell the first time.

We had 7 town voters.
We had a Ranger-Jeanne tie. The possible ties are 2-2 or 3-3. If it was 3-3, with me voting Lowell, Egg would not possibly have been able to vote Lowell. If it was 2-2, then if Egg voted Lowell, it would have been a three-way tie, not a two-way. Ergo, by claiming Lowell as his first, when I also voted Lowell first, he's absolutely confirmed scum and I'm town.

Also you aren't allowed to vote yourself.
I don't see that as a listed rule.

1. That only proves egg to be scum from your POV. You and egg could have both fake voted Lowel. Egg scum slipped so you could have just said you voted Lowell since it would make you look towny because you are forced to lynch Egg now. The thing is the scum slip he did already achieved that so that isn't saying much about your alignment.

2. The first PM town got (with the first vote) said that you could not vote for yourself.

I think you are town but if you are falsely saying you are conf town that won't last long.

beeboy · Post Post #124 (isolation #7) » Mon May 02, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 123, heuristically_alone wrote:
In post 116, Ranger wrote:I intend to vote myself this time since I'm going to be confirmed town.

ok, who would be more likely not to know you can't vote yourself judge? mafia or town?

Well according to the egg scum slip I would say Mafia.

(This isn't an insult)
Although Ranger is always scummy with small things like that so meh.

beeboy · Post Post #126 (isolation #8) » Mon May 02, 2016 1:50 pm

In post 125, heuristically_alone wrote:
In post 121, Ranger wrote:We had 7 town voters.
We had a Ranger-Jeanne tie. The possible ties are 2-2 or 3-3. If it was 3-3, with me voting Lowell, Egg would not possibly have been able to vote Lowell. If it was 2-2, then if Egg voted Lowell, it would have been a three-way tie, not a two-way. Ergo, by claiming Lowell as his first, when I also voted Lowell first, he's absolutely confirmed scum and I'm town.

Seems like a mafia thing to me too, yet in my gut I feel Ranger has to be town for catching this. Props to you, Ranger for guaranteeing it wasn't a reaction vote.

I caught it and presumably Ircher did as well I just didn't want to explain to scum what to vote.
Ranger just explained to scum they shouldn't claim to vote either Jeanne or Ranger if scum is in Jeanne / Shotty. That was anti-town points.

beeboy · Post Post #129 (isolation #9) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:01 pm

@mod I never locked in my vote

beeboy · Post Post #131 (isolation #10) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 130, heuristically_alone wrote:That's why your name is white, not red

The mod updated it silly.

beeboy · Post Post #133 (isolation #11) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:35 pm

Like I said Ranger is probably town.
Is she conf town? No.

beeboy · Post Post #135 (isolation #12) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:40 pm

In post 134, Ircher wrote:Jeanne amd Shotty need to get in here & claim votes before town decides to lynch them next.

1 of them is future conf town actually

beeboy · Post Post #137 (isolation #13) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:46 pm

In post 136, Ircher wrote:Oh, & last thing: Lets not tell scum who we're voting for judge, and we should popcorn style it next time.

No we are claiming in advance I already explained why.
If we have have half the player list vote person A and the other half voting person B then player A would become the judge as mafia cannot.

A: T T T T
B: T T T S

Now with this info we know that all 4 players voting player A are conf town and there is 1 scum voting player B.

Since we have 4 conf town already (the 2 who voted Jeanne and the 2 who voted Ranger) we will have 6 conf towns tomorrow. (as we will split the conf towns votes)

Sorry Ircher nothing you say will make us not claiming votes in advance.

beeboy · Post Post #138 (isolation #14) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:52 pm

judge vote countRanger (2) -

Creature, Jeanne/Shotty

Jeanne (2) -

Beeboy, Lowell

From this we know that the 4 of us are conf town.

Now here are the votes I am shoving down your throats.

Night 1 Judge VoteCreature:

Beeboy, Lowell

, Jeanne/Shotty, Ircher
Lowell:

Creature, Jeanne/Shotty

, Ranger, H_A

Now if you all follow my plan we will get a conf town Judge
If Creature is the judge we know scum is in Ranger and H_A.
If Lowell is the judge we know scum in in Jeanne/Shotty and Ircher.

beeboy · Post Post #139 (isolation #15) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:53 pm

Any questions? I will gladly explain this over and over if needed.

beeboy · Post Post #141 (isolation #16) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:54 pm

In post 140, Ircher wrote:Sorry, but I'm gonna be a divergent

Ok so you are the second scum.
What is your problem with following my plan?

beeboy · Post Post #143 (isolation #17) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 142, Ircher wrote:Simply cuz I don't think it will work well and cuz I want to be divergent and because I don't want to be ordered around.

Ok so you are the second scum.

Tell me why it won't work.

beeboy · Post Post #145 (isolation #18) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:57 pm

I setup a situation where town wins 100% of the time and you are trying to tell me it won't work.
You do understand I am never going to not lynch you now.

beeboy · Post Post #146 (isolation #19) » Mon May 02, 2016 2:59 pm

@mod can I lock in my vote across more than 1 day phase?

beeboy · Post Post #149 (isolation #20) » Mon May 02, 2016 3:02 pm

Because there must be at least 2 votes on both Jeanne and Ranger (and no more than 2).

That means the people who claimed votes on Jeanne and Ranger are conf town as scum cannot vote and the 2 votes need to come from somewhere.

beeboy · Post Post #163 (isolation #21) » Tue May 03, 2016 5:54 am

Creature: Beeboy, Lowell, Jeanne/Shotty, Ircher
Lowell: Creature, Jeanne/Shotty, Ranger, H_A

These are the votes we are using Lowell.

The conf town between Jeanne/Shotty is voting you and the not conf town is voting creature.
I will make it clear once we sorted things out.

beeboy · Post Post #165 (isolation #22) » Tue May 03, 2016 6:01 am

Wait Lowell who did you vote?

beeboy · Post Post #167 (isolation #23) » Tue May 03, 2016 6:02 am

Ranger (1) - Creature
Jeanne (2) - Beeboy, Lowell
Note voting (2) - Jeanne, Shotty

This is what I got for all relevant votes.
There are situations where we aren't conf town btw.

beeboy · Post Post #168 (isolation #24) » Tue May 03, 2016 6:02 am

I noted it correctly Lowell!

beeboy · Post Post #170 (isolation #25) » Tue May 03, 2016 6:08 am

Everyone else claimed to vote someone who isn't Jeanne or Ranger so there votes are not relevant.
I will compile all the votes later if you want.

beeboy · Post Post #175 (isolation #26) » Tue May 03, 2016 8:27 am

In post 174, Lowell wrote:But yes I see. Wow, this game is easily and pointlessly broken. What... fun?

Yes. Unless scum can manipulate the vote which I don't think they could do.

beeboy · Post Post #176 (isolation #27) » Tue May 03, 2016 8:27 am

Like they have a role which is 1-shot vote or 1-shot choose who is the judge.

Seems bastardy though so I won't think about it yet.

beeboy · Post Post #177 (isolation #28) » Tue May 03, 2016 8:28 am

Also keep in mind the game wouldn't be broken if we didn't have a tie vote.
It also wouldn't be broken if egg didn't scum slip.

Aero can't predict that when designing the mechanic.

beeboy · Post Post #185 (isolation #29) » Tue May 03, 2016 5:28 pm

@mod can your prod peeps plz <3

beeboy · Post Post #201 (isolation #30) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:40 am

In post 200, drmyshottyizsik wrote:no it was a joke, I voted lowell and ranger

Noted

beeboy · Post Post #203 (isolation #31) » Wed May 04, 2016 7:07 am

beeboy · Post Post #204 (isolation #32) » Wed May 04, 2016 7:07 am

Jeanne slot is forced to vote Ranger btw

beeboy · Post Post #205 (isolation #33) » Wed May 04, 2016 7:08 am

VOTE: egg

beeboy · Post Post #227 (isolation #34) » Wed May 04, 2016 10:19 am

Ok so everyone is confirmed town outside Ranger, Shotty and Egg.

There needs to be at least 2 scum "voting Lowell" for the claimed scum to be possible lol.

beeboy · Post Post #234 (isolation #35) » Wed May 04, 2016 10:37 am

Vote here guysCreature: Beeboy, Lowell, Ircher, Shotty
Lowell: Creature, Jeanne, H_A, Ranger

I don't feel like explaining how in depth.
The last scum is in Shotty and Ranger.
If Lowell wins the vote that scum is shotty, if creature wins the vote that scum is ranger.

:/ This game is solved with 0 scum hunting.

beeboy · Post Post #237 (isolation #36) » Wed May 04, 2016 10:40 am

shotty the game is kinda solved with you having literally 0 counter play :/

beeboy · Post Post #238 (isolation #37) » Wed May 04, 2016 10:41 am

I think the tie vote should have led to there being no judge or none of this would have happened.

Honestly N-0 judge was pretty messed up. It gives a popular player a huge advantage regardless of alignment.

beeboy · Post Post #255 (isolation #38) » Thu May 05, 2016 9:08 am

Then we have no judge.
The plan works regardless of whether you live or die because the info we gain is more powerful then being able to veto a lynch.

beeboy · Post Post #269 (isolation #39) » Thu May 05, 2016 12:16 pm

I'll do it if there is no N-0 judge.

beeboy · Post Post #271 (isolation #40) » Thu May 05, 2016 12:21 pm

Maybe the scum team should have 1 vote instead of 2 because that can be incredibly swingy and I like how judge vote analysis held weight in determining who is scum (obv it held too much weight)

beeboy · Post Post #274 (isolation #41) » Thu May 05, 2016 12:57 pm

In post 272, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 271, beeboy wrote:Maybe the scum team should have 1 vote instead of 2 because that can be incredibly swingy and I like how judge vote analysis held weight in determining who is scum (obv it held too much weight)

still too breakable. I'd say no n0 judge, and no judge in lylo or mylo so scum can't force a win. All other night everyone votes

Without tie votes it isn't breakable so that would be the compensation.

beeboy · Post Post #278 (isolation #42) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:01 am

/out of do over I got too many games