Micro 620: Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Yume]

VOTE: Apricity

Can you guess who I am?

[Yume]

I meant flavor. Anyway, I am not, but feel free to think so. Hmph.

[Yume]

No, I meant the flavor of my pick.

[Yume]

Also, that question was not for you. It was for Frozen Angel.

[Yume]

You were planning to betray me, weren't you? You're a liar. *flails a big stick around* Don't try to act all friendly now, liar. If you try anything on me, I'll kill you, liar. I only trust one person and it ain't you. D:

(disclaimer: I don't mean any of the above, just a little roleplay in character)

[Yume]

@Frozen Angel I am also frozen, that is, my heart is to avoid everyone else. You, on the other hand, I can get along with. Wanna get along some more?

[Yume]

Want me to shoot him? I can do that, y'know?

[Yume]

Kuroi.

[Yume]

But.....I need someone to shoot. It's incorporated into my flavor.... D:

[Yume]

Like I said, it's incorporated into my flavor. Something about how I am a loner, so if someone approaches me, I have to shoot them if they won't get along with me.

[Yume]

That was my role crumb.

[Yume]

Ah, but you might be. I won't know if you are or not until night arrives. If you refuse to get along with me then, I will have to shoot you. Just because you say you aren't getting along with me doesn't mean you won't get along me during night.

[Yume]

Basically, the first person to target me with their action gets added to my neighborhood and their action fails. The second person who targets me triggers my killing ability, I shoot them and their ability fails as well. That's me.

[Yume]

But now you ruined the whole thing. I wanted to draw scum nightkill and know who they are when they got added. Thanks for ruining it, Grinchy.

[Yume]

My flavor won't mean anything to you.

[Yume]

He wanted info, I gave him info.

[Yume]

But if you want, it's this girl

[Yume]

I did. Post 282.

[Yume]

Basically, the first person to target me with their action gets added to my neighborhood and their action fails. The second person who targets me triggers my killing ability, I shoot them and their ability fails as well. That's me.

Kinda glad I drew this out. Why would you want to endanger town roles?

You do know that town has night actions too, yeah?

That was not my pic. I only picked the flavor. Mod gave me those powers. So blame them if you must blame someone. As for why I kept silent, I already explained that it was because I wanted scum added to my neighborhood.

[Yume]

How do you know it wouldn't have been scum? Besides, if FA is scum like you say, she would've been the first person to target me, because I invited her to do it.

[Yume]

Add to that that she considers me obvtown and as scum, targeting town is first priority. So ya, if she were scum, she'd be targeting me. So yeah. Besides, you called me a liar earlier, so what guaranteed do you have I claimed my real role?

[Yume]

mah

You can guess my role from the flavor

and honestly you were being the last person I would visit regardless of my alignment .

What is your flavor?

[Yume]

@You Answer the bolded

Add to that that she considers me obvtown and as scum, targeting town is first priority. So ya, if she were scum, she'd be targeting me. So yeah. Besides, you called me a liar earlier, so

what guarantee do you have I claimed my real role?

[Yume]

No, I am not, but if he is, he should know better.

[Yume]

I am answering his questions from his own pov.

[Yume]

No, I am not. You're just being stubborn and are only hitting people who are easy to hit.

VOTE: House

This vote will stay until you answer my question.

[Yume]

He chose to pressure you on weak reason.

[Yume]

And pressuring one from all angles is a scum trait. Because he wanted to find your weak spot no matter what and use it to paint you as scum. And he is doing the same to me.

[Yume]

this is a micro

traitor is highly unlikely.

But look at the way she's panicking over my one measly little vote.

There is a thing called 'convincing others'. But whatever, mislynch a town. That's what you want to do anyway, isn't it? Well, be my guest. Nice try, but that alone won't intimidate me out of voting you.

[Yume]

This whole push is crazy. Again, what guarantee you have that it's my real role. You operate on the fact that it is, but what if I didn't tell the entire truth?

[Yume]

Why don't you admit to being scum then? And are you that sure that I am scum? Pause and reconsider a bit. Is there really zero chance that I could be town. Prove to me that there is zero chance that I am town.

[Yume]

I knew it, you only assume you are scum. Well, drop it. You don't do something like this unless you're 100% certain.

[Yume]

Again, is there zero chance that I am town?

[Yume]

Akll your case is just an assumption. An assumption that is wrong.

[Yume]

It's nowhere near fact.

[Yume]

Why don't you admit to being scum then? And are you that sure that I am scum? Pause and reconsider a bit. Is there really zero chance that I could be town. Prove to me that there is zero chance that I am town.

Silly, you don't prove to scum that they are scum.

You already know you are, and it's not like you'll just admit it.

You're just too noob yet to be able to play it right.

This is an accurate description of you.

[Yume]

Again, is there zero chance that I am town?

You see this post? This is caught scum posting.

Town wouldn't have to ask that because the role pm gives us our answer.

Yeah, but posting role PM is forbidden by the rules and the only other way is to see my flip, in which case you lose town. I will say no more. Mislynch me if you will. Bye. Continue your crazy tunnel and shrug it off when I flip town like so many others have.

[Yume]

My main joined way earlier than you. Way earlier.

Also, you ignored my post 339. How convenient.

[Yume]

Really? Do you even know what my flavor claim is? How the fudge is An Shouji a scum flavor claim? If anything, Morganna would be a scum flavor claim from that series.

[Yume]

And I asked you many times: why do you believe my claim is my real role? Are you a rolecop or something and got info that what I claimed is my real role?

p-edit: No, you didn't explain why AN SHOUJI HERSELF is scum role. You only explained why my roleplay is scummy. >.>

[Yume]

You know what? You wanted me to shoot you so I will, rather than have you spout a rubbish about how I am scum while ignoring points that don't support that theory.

Shoot: House

[Yume]

Squirm more, scum. You failed to pass my test.

[Yume]

Town would give as much as info as possible before their 'death' and all you did was joke.

How do you like my test? I adopted it from a certain friend of mine.

[Yume]

And the fact that you are gloating over it means you are happy because you get another fake point on me.

Why were you hoping it was real? So you can falsely implicate me further?

[Yume]

Even if it was real and you were town, which I doubt, it would still have been hard to convince others posthumously, cos town vigs almost always make a mistake when shooting the first time.

[Yume]

And the fact that you are gloating over it means you are happy because you get another fake point on me.

Why were you hoping it was real? So you can falsely implicate me further?

Hah! How would it implicate you if I'm scum as you allege?

Me flipping town is the only way you'd be implicated.

You knew I'd flip town, or you wouldn't have even asked that!

So what about it? You flipping town doesn't automatically make me scum. >.<

[Yume]

Also, you twist my words to make me seem scummy. That's something scum would do, not something town would do.

[Yume]

If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.

Do you have other scumreads?

Wrong. She's scum and leaving her alive gives scum two benefits:

1) It makes it easier for them to obtain majority, having a member that isn't being lynched

2) They will target her tonight to be neighborize, giving them the ability to communicate and effectively making her group scum.

I don't know where you get off thinking scum won't target her after she specifically admitted fishing for scum to neighborize after crumbing the shit out of traitor.

Why are you so sure I am scum? I could be town too you know. Try reading again while assuming I am a townie. If none of the points I made make sense from town perspective, then fine, lynch me. But NOT before looking at another angle.

[Yume]

VOTE: Kuroi

[Yume]

No, you got it all wrong. That was a crumb, but a neighborizing crumb. The people who usually get along well are often neighbors in real life. As for shooting the people who don't get along with me. That was a flavor crumb. In the anime, An just happened to shoot people who would pursue her with intentions of imprisoning or betraying her. She used another sentient being to do the actual shooting. So ya. I am just a neighborizer.

[Yume]

I don't trust any of you enough to answer that question, especially not to you who I scumread. Besides, if you are town and I answer you, scum would see that too and I'd go bye-bye. Normally, I wouldn't mind that much cos that would confirm me as town, but I have reasons to delay my death.

[Yume]

Certain parts of it are and certain parts aren't. That's all I can say.

[Yume]

Well, I don't know. Mine certainly isn't in position of strength. I simply picked who I liked the most.

[Yume]

Hi. To be honest, I do not know where do I stand.

[Yume]

I told you thousand times I can't answer that. >.>

Pay attention.

[Yume]

But since you want me killed no matter what by asking those questions, I will tell you. I am just a neighborizer. There, now I will die, happy?

[Yume]

Because experience. I was a neighborizer once on another site and they did indeed kill me on there.

[Yume]

VOTE: Kuroi

Claim baiting >.>

[Yume]

So you're too scared to be useful this game?

You can do better than this.

You don't have the right to say that, considering you're encouraging people to vote town.

[Yume]

Her and me.

[Yume]

Because pressure may get her to post more.

[Yume]

Because more posting is good?

[Yume]

I always think she's town until evidence starts showing otherwise.

[Yume]

I am here.

[Yume]

Okay, who did you jail, FA?

[Yume]

I gave you three candidates for jailing in our neighborhood and one of them is dead, so you couldn't have jailed him, so which one of the other two did you protect?

[Yume]

Because they were on town wagon, so one of them is likely scum. Who did you jail: Kuroi or Apricity? The one you didn't jail could be scum.

[Yume]

Well, I lied. I am not just a neighborizer. I am macho neighborizer tracker. I think there's no point hiding this anymore, since it's do or die.

[Yume]

And what makes you think I am scum between us?

VOTE: Apricity

I am town, I guarantee it to you. However, if you want to lose, feel free to lynch me.

[Yume]

But wait, I can't be jailed. Jailing also protects me from kills and given my role, it's impossible.

[Yume]

UNVOTE:

I am macho. I can't be jailed. Now you are asking me for my track results when jailing stops me from tracking. What's up with that?

[Yume]

Even if jailing me is successful, there's the fact that jailing prevents me from tracking anyone. From mafia wiki: A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target.

Link so you don't accuse me of making this up: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

[Yume]

VOTE: FA

Something is fishy here.

[Yume]

Yes, I confirm that. I was intending to track Apricity.

[Yume]

Not until mod answers us.

[Yume]

You think I am town and you want me to die regardless? Either way, I am not unvoting until mod answers my question.

[Yume]

My death will only result in scum having majority, so I will try my best to stop it from happening. The fact that you threaten me with dying in Lylo (as you yourself pointed out) makes me believe you're scum more.

p-edit: Yes

[Yume]

I told you, I will unvote you when mod answers my question. Why are you in such a rush to get it done before that? Another confirmation you have something to hide.

[Yume]

Well, I fell for this exact playstyle once before. Not gonna let it happen again.

[Yume]

As promised
UNVOTE:

[Yume]

I told you, I will unvote you when mod answers my question.

[Yume]

mod if someone is macho , can they be jailed? what will be the effect normally ?

From the wiki:

Macho is a role modifier that prevents players from being protected from kills in any way.

So if an action that protects a player from being killed is used on a Macho player, the protection will fail, but all other parts of the action will succeed.
For instance, if a Jailkeeper targets a Macho player, they will be roleblocked but not protected.

^ That was the question.

[Yume]

I wanted to narrow down the possible scum of course.

[Yume]

Yes. If you jailkeep them, they would be unable to kill, thus if I tracked them to someone who was killed, they were innocent of that, which helps narrow down the scum pool some.

[Yume]

No. I am saying if they would be unable to kill if you jailkeep them, therefore, if there is a kill, they're probably innocent.

[Yume]

So then why did you jailkeep me?

[Yume]

Why even ask me for a suggestion if you were gonna jailkeep me for that matter?

[Yume]

Okay, but what if I do flip town? Are you that eager to lose? And don't say 'but you won't flip town' cos people who can't consider the possibility that I am piss me off more than anyone else.

[Yume]

Well, I can't shake off this feeling that you're scum using my personality to reel me in....

[Yume]

Do what you want then. Just don't blame me if you lose. >.>

[Yume]

VOTE: Kuroi

I told you, I will be pissed at anyone who doesn't even consider that I could possibly be town. You don't, so this is a good vote. If you want me to remove it, then consider the possibility that I am town. >.>

[Yume]

I'm having a hard time imagining a world where you're town.

Well, guess what? The person who said the same thing in another game ended up being scum, so....

And before you say 'don't compare different people', it's just how I roll.

Kuroi and Apricity are scum.

[Yume]

I am not gonna get mislynched again, scum.

[Yume]

...again?
What?

Look at marathon forum, scum. I have plenty of games there where players trigger-happyd on me.

[Yume]

And now you're mispronouncing my name too. You're probably hoping to agitate me and then use that to mislynch me.

[Yume]

And you're ignoring my post 912. Another proof you're scum.

[Yume]

Of course I did. You roleblocked me, remember?

[Yume]

I am sticking with Kuroi=scum though.

[Yume]

All the games where I was mislynched as town. It doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, you don't mislynch a town at Lylo, unless you are scum, so you must be scum.

[Yume]

True, but not in Lylo.

[Yume]

Then if you know you can mess up, why are you absolutely sure that I am scum?

If you're town, you will at least consider the possibility that I am town. Scum tend to go after a low-hanging fruit like me. You kept me alive on purpose thinking you can mislynch me easily, didn't you.

[Yume]

No, you aren't. If you truly were giving me a chance, you wouldn't be this convinced that I am scum. Also, there are multiple games where I was mislynched as town. Do you really want about 10 marathon links?

[Yume]

Look at him, he knows I am town because I am not in his faction and he is trying to frame me as scum so he and his partner can win.

@Kuroi Vote Apricity or die.

[Yume]

Fine.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=67275

[Yume]

Well, people usually claim at L-1. They didn't let me claim at L-1.

[Yume]

Plus, look at this

viewtopic.php?p=7953390&user_select%5B%5D=26976#p7953390

This person was scum. You are acting exactly like he did, trying to discredit me when I call your BS. >.>

Try something original, bro.

[Yume]

Maybe if you try scumreading me when I am actually scum multiple times people would believe you.

@FA You see his bs, don't you?

p-edit: Oh, so you're faking ignorance, aren't you? Well, then try isoing Ircher in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66480

If you aren't acting exactly like he did, in terms of discrediting me, then I will eat my hat.

You say you judge me by what I am doing. Then I will judge you by what you're doing, and what you're doing is exactly the same as what !scum Ircher did in that game. Now I have been told different people play differently, but it's so obvious I cannot let that slide.

[Yume]

And besides, if I were really scum, I would have denied you that game link completely, but I betcha you are so busy setting up your victory to think of that. C'mon Moriarty, let's revisit the past, where we both take the fall right after the other. I promise you that if he flips town you can hate me all you want.

[Yume]

I've finished a good skim of Ircher's ISO as well as yours and I'll agree he's done a lot of mud slinging, but you haven't lied in that game. You have in this one.

And if you think I'm scum, vote me. You seem to be very certain.

Preview Edit: Your last post is a hypothetical that I'm not going to engage in. And I don't hate you. I don't know you. I'm merely acting on your behavior this game.

Maybe it's because I was a tracker and wanted to live long enough to track someone that I made that stuff up? Or would you have preferred that I died night one resulting in town losing my tracking ability? Well?

[Yume]

And I have already voted you. My vote never left either.

[Yume]

Well, I am gonna be good and UNVOTE:

I think I see where you are coming from. In one of my other games, I had the similar role to yours, and a person voted me after my role was revealed. He turned out to be scum, so I can see why do you think I am scum.

[Yume]

Well, town just lost.

[Yume]

Her post was made before I could hit submit. I believe you people refer to it as 'ninja-ing'. So the fact I was 'ninja-ed' is your final argument? Like really?

[Yume]

This is my feelings on this matter

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[Yume]

[Yume]

And your entire defense seems to be the repeat of 'Yume is scum, Yume is scum, Yume is scum'.

[Yume]

I am very close to voting myself just to screw you over. I mean, your wish must be to screw town over my voting me, right?

[Yume]

Flavor: Tsukasa/An Shouji
Role: Macho Neighborizer Follower
Abilities: Can't be protected, can neighborize someone, can target one player per night and learn all the actions they used, but not who they used them on.
I win when all scum are dead and one or more town players remain.

That's the paraphrase of my role PM.

[Yume]

And your entire defense seems to be the repeat of 'Yume is scum, Yume is scum, Yume is scum'.

I'm not defending myself. You're the one who's at the chopping block.

VOTE: Yume

Tell us everything. I want to know your character. Your role. Every piece of it.

Well, at least someone cares about me this much

[Yume]

If you paid attention, they were made up so that I wouldn't be killed before I get to use my follower ability.

[Yume]

As a countermeasure against Macho. Saying I was untargetable served two purposes: preventing scum from killing me and preventing doctor from wasting a protection on me (if there was a doctor)

[Yume]

Now you know everything about me and you'll use it to kill me if you are scum. If you aren't scum, then the actual scum would kill me. Good job.

[Yume]

I don't like how you implied you want me to stop posting and let town lose.

[Yume]

If you can't find the post saying what I am, then I am not gonna feed that to you.

[Yume]

You're all scum as far as I am concerned.

[Yume]

I stick with my claim.

[Yume]

My last info: lynch me and you lose. This is the truth.

[Yume]

Follower.

[Yume]

I don't need to tell that to someone who wants to lose the game.

[Yume]

You and Kuroi already decided you want to throw the game by lynching me, so I don't see how I can change your mind.

[Yume]

So I am super mad

Intent to hammer

People didn't believe me when I said I was town, why should you get a different treatment?

[Yume]

I'm so confused right now.

Yume don't hammer yet calm down.

No. >.>

[Yume]

I'm so confused right now.

Yume don't hammer yet calm down.

No. >.>

Yume, this isn't funny. It's literally LyLo and nothing justifies a quickhammer in this situation if you're town.

Tell it to to those who wanted me to hang. >.>

[Yume]

VOTE: Florestan

[Yume]

See now? If I were scum with Flor I wouldn't have crippled us. And now you'll scream wifom.

[Yume]

Then what will make you think I am town? Out with it or you're scum trying to mislynch a town. >.>

[Yume]

Like, I know it's your win condition and all, but this is getting ridiculous.

[Yume]

Then what will make you think I am town? Out with it or you're scum trying to mislynch a town. >.>

I really tried to convince myself your town

your just not making sense as one after all the naked votes you throw which non didn't got quick hammered and the way your reacting to this.

kindda late for changing my read here , you may give me a reason for scum reading someone else more.

and no I'm a town trying to lynch scum which one of them is you

So, like, you are absolutely sure of that. Can you swear I am scum under the threat of death?

[Yume]

The ones voting me as easy prey, which are you, Kuroi and Flore. Two out of you three are definitely scum. And since Kuroi's role was revealed in public, that leaves you and Flore.

[Yume]

No.

The ones voting me as easy prey, which are you, Kuroi and Flore. Two out of you three are definitely scum.

And since Kuroi's role was revealed in public, that leaves you and Flore.

[Yume]

@FA If you're town, then prove it. Hammer Flore and prove you're not scumbuddies with them.

[Yume]

Also, the fact that you switched back to suspecting me as soon as I stated that I want to hammer Flore is also kinda suspicious.

[Yume]

Yet you're perfectly willing to chalk me as being scum without a second thought. Yeah, nice try.

[Yume]

Okay, I give up.....:/

[Yume]

Hammering myself in ten minutes. You'll get what you deserve: a loss. >.>

[Yume]

Flore lied about night results too. If you don't like liars, then you ought to be suspicious of her as well, which you aren't. If you don't unvote in ten minutes, town loses.

[Yume]

It's not a threat, it's a promise. Or do you want me to post my role PM to prove to you what you should have realized by yourself. If you are town, you're playing against your win condition right about now and that's a bannable offense on this site.

[Yume]

VOTE: Yume

You're scum, aren't you? You've achieved your wincon, so don't have to hide it anymore.

[Yume]

It's not a threat, it's a promise. Or do you want me to post my role PM to prove to you what you should have realized by yourself. If you are town, you're playing against your win condition right about now and that's a bannable offense on this site.

Well you're lynched now. Report me.

Kay.

[Yume]

But only after I flip town.

[Yume]

Fuck.

Reported. >.>

[Yume]

sorry yume

I won't forgive you ever again. >.>

[Yume]

lmao Kuroi

Didn't you notice you received something and Flor didn't point it out?

He did report it.

Fuck.

Reported. >.>

Have fun with that.

YOU VOTED TOWN IN LYLO. THAT'S PLAYING AGAINST YOUR WINCON.

[Yume]

You deserved this loss, Yume.

Well, I went through with it. I am not normally like this, but in the face of this, even I have to. Sorry, but playing against wincon is reportable and I am a good citizen.

[Yume]

You deserved this loss, Yume.

Well, I went through with it. I am not normally like this, but in the face of this, even I have to. Sorry, but playing against wincon is reportable and I am a good citizen.

I didn't play against my win condition if I had reason to believe you were scum. If you were honest and didn't make threats, I probably would have voted elsewhere.

If I were honest, scum would have killed me. >.>

[Yume]

Flor did slipped IN very very very very obvious ways.

he basically even slipped me as his partner just sayin

He did slip very obviously and I'm disappointed that Kuroi didn't see that.

I felt bad but with Yume, I thought there were three scum. Florestan acted like it was an honest mistake so I looked back to Yume who was running like a chicken without a head

You should have tried to consider all the possibilities.

[Yume]

I did. I went with the one I felt was most likely.

Not good enough. >.>

[Yume]

Yume, you yourself should have acted in a way that made you more readable. Throwing around votes in LyLo while simply asking people if they're absolutely certain that you're scum isn't in any way helping them develop a read on you beyond frustration.

Yeah, that was the product of my frustration. The fact that people refused to see the bigger picture pissed me off immensely. I mean, have you ever heard of versatility? I can link you to a nice MD topic that delves into that topic just so I don't have to blow off at you next time. :/