Micro 623: Dem Tryouts 2 [GAME OVER]

[The_Jester]

fixed tags. Shos

[The_Jester]

WELL FUCK. HI EVERYONE

[The_Jester]

Let's cut the crap. Question to my fellow townies: do you think it's a good idea to state when I've been hit? Cause obviously mafia's gonna target me first, since I'm the best scumhunter ever (not really).

[The_Jester]

Question to the Mod: can you only get hit once every night? What I mean is, if both mafia factions choose the same target, does this target get hit twice or only once?

[The_Jester]

Hmm this setup looks pretty tough on townies. Wish we had some kind of an investigative role but that would probably make it too easy. Nevermind.

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So am I the only European here or what

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So I'm thinking. Scum will probably try to get rid of the other mafia faction first cause they pose bigger threat with their pr and night action. So we could just scumhunt and then nl and let the mafia kill each other, right? Dunno if that works

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Riiiight but day1 both mafia's can jump on the same wagon if they fail to recognize each other and force a lynch. But if it turns out, a townie's died, we'd know all mafia members right off the bat, which would be pretty amusing. My guess is, goons from the same faction are gonna try not to be on the same wagon.

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Question to the Mod: can you only get hit once every night? What I mean is, if both mafia factions choose the same target, does this target get hit twice or only once?

If a Bulletproof person gets shot twice in the same night, the first shot removes his vest, and the second kills him.

Well shit. Thanks.

[The_Jester]

Hi! I do remember we've briefly played together although I'd have to check back for details.

[The_Jester]

Btw what does your avatar depict? A minimap from some game? It's bothered me since I've seen it the first time.

[The_Jester]

<3 Mod

[The_Jester]

I usually post rather scarcely but it's early Saturday plus nobody was writing anything so why the hell not. Aren't you happy to have more material to analyze? I can't tell how I'm gonna play cause I don't have a consistent style so have fun replacing out if you can't take it.

[The_Jester]

It puts a target on your back for next night

Wouldn't scum prefer to try to find another mafia faction first instead of wasting 2 nights in a row for a townie?

it can be used as a scumtell

What do you mean by that?

[The_Jester]

Ohhhh I haven't thought of that. Crap.

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Lol if anybody had even a glimpse of a thought of giving me any cred just cause I said that I'd call him stupid. Or maybe you did and now just feel dumb so you decided to make up for it to your ego and vote? Anyway your vote is very weak.
What do you think of Something Smart and Korts atm?

[The_Jester]

Ok Marie so you placed a random vote when our votes don't seem to be random anymore and you basically repeated after Smart and the Mod.
Do you agree with Pepper's vote on me?
What's your opinion on Korts? Do you perceive his input as useful?

[The_Jester]

I don't really believe in random votes. I'll use my vote when I feel like it has a meaning.
If you plan to start playing when everyone's posted, it may take quite a long time.
Could you link me one of your mafia games?

[The_Jester]

Could you take me through your process of scumhunting? Are you methodical or relying on big scumtells? Do you put the weight more on evidence or gut? Do you think you play better as town or scum?

[The_Jester]

Ok thanks. Waiting for others to join then.

[The_Jester]

So does anybody know each other? What can you tell me about present players?

[The_Jester]

There are no brakes on this train. All aboard! CHOO CHOO

[The_Jester]

That would be a pretty stupid thing to do

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Yawn

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@Smart, what do you think about NL D1? My thinking is: no townie can die tonight so we could wait one night and hopefully start D2 with potentially 2 mafia members dead. And even if they roleblock each other (doubtful) or decide on no kill (also doubtful) we'd just have a prolonged D1 to think of the strategy. Of course, it's early to debate on end of the day strats but it's not like the discussion's on fire anyway.

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*Of course a townie CAN die tonight but it's very unlikely.

[The_Jester]

It's all about risk vs gain. I'd suggest we try NL if we don't find a strong candidate for the lynch today. I'd rather avoid lynching anybody just for the sake of it.

[The_Jester]

PRESSURE PUSHING DOWN ON ME

[The_Jester]

@mod: shotty will need to be replaced due to a tempban.

Shame, I looked forward to playing with him.

not really

I will say that I already have one strong scumread, and two of my reads since my last post are actually starting to reverse

I think you should keep this to yourself and let people evolve their play naturally. Unless of course this is a reaction test.

[The_Jester]

Why not? What strategy do you suggest?

[The_Jester]

You're a true poet, fam

[The_Jester]

I'm under an impression you're trying to paint shotty as scum just cause you don't like him

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Can't argue with that logic lol

[The_Jester]

Hi Sloppy Joe! I hope your playstyle's gonna be sharp and snappy.

[The_Jester]

Could you tell us how did you jump from establishing Kort's angle in a single post to voting on pistachion?

[The_Jester]

Also, sorry for the steal, Mod :S

It's ok, not every pagetop has to be a VC
-Shos

[The_Jester]

if we get one townie dead, we're already doomed.

I mean I get the severity of the situation but this is quite a defeatist thing to say.

I'm voting on pistachion just because and will probably change it.

Yeah, probably a good idea. Since Kort's town in your book atm, you've got 4 scum out of 5 players, assuming you're town ofc. So I guess you shouldn't have any problems with finding a more suitable target. Unless pistachion truly looks scummy (spoiler alert: she doesn't, yet).

[The_Jester]

Alrighty. Lemme know what you think of other players when you're ready.

[The_Jester]

Marie, I think you rely on meta a little bit too much.

>no random vote is weird
>nl d1 is bad

Plus your justification doesn't really say much. Or maybe it's late and I can't connect the dots. Let's see how this evolves then.

[The_Jester]

Wait, both mafias win together? Whose stupid idea was that? (sorry shos). I somehow managed to overlook this little detail. NL's out of the question then.

[The_Jester]

Wait, why the fuck did you assume that? I can't find any confirmation in the info shos provided.
Do you say that cause mafia can kill each other once they're left alone?
But if scum A roleblocks scum B and the other fails, scum A will win, no?

@Mod do mafias automatically win (tie?) when town dies or do they continue playing until one of them wins? I'm confused.

[The_Jester]

if we get one townie dead, we're already doomed

that's assuming the scum won't shoot each other
also, bulletproof

The vest doesn't protect you from lynches though.
This post seems really really lazy. I know effort's not indicative of alignment but come on.

[The_Jester]

Ok so looks like I misread what you lot have been saying. I thought you said the mafias win if they eliminate town but looks like you just meant both scum factions teaming with each other to eliminate town first. My bad.

[The_Jester]

LOL, the only thing saving this town are the possibilities of fake scum claims.

I don't like the sound of that. Are you amused?
Also, how do you think that would work?

[The_Jester]

It lives!

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In reality of scum decide to go on a rampage and lynch town together, nothing stops them from betraying each other when they lynch a townie and start nightkilling each other. Then the mafIa role blockers play a guessing game on who kills who to try to prevent an NK. Only way to tie is for both Mafia Roleblockers die. Unlikely. Scum will never work together

Basically what I said at the very beginning:

So I'm thinking. Scum will probably try to get rid of the other mafia faction first cause they pose bigger threat with their pr and night action.

@ Jester, why do you have an issue with site meta?

I don't have issues with it per se. I just think blindly following meta's boring.

I'd like to hear more from pistachi0n.

Ask him a question then. Provoke him to answer. If I say "I'd like ice-cream", it won't make it materialise out of nowhere.

[The_Jester]

Well I was trying to bait a scum team. Sorry guys I'm kinda n00bish. I'll try to get my head in the game this afternoon.

So you had one afternoon extra. What's the conclusion you've reached? Any interesting reads?

[The_Jester]

@Jester
May seem boring to you, but it does get results in finding scum and that is what matters.

I'm keeping this in mind.

Right now I can't see any clear scum teams

And you won't for the time being, so don't bother

getting towny hunches towards Something_Smart

Any particular reason?

Don't have a clear read on The_Jester yet. So nullish.

Why do you mention me if I'm null but you don't mention Korts or Marie at all? In post #86 you also talked about me when asked about reads.
Are you saying this just to make me turn my head away from you?

I'm feeling scum from DocterPepper but that could just be an OMGUS going off in my head subconciously.

Do you think voting for you hides innate bad intentions?


You seem very defensive about getting voted on. I'm also surprised by the dissonance you've created between posts #111 and #112. First you shrug it off, and then you freak out (when you noticed being at L-1?)

On a scale of 1-10, how much are you afraid to die?

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Btw Korts needs a prod

[The_Jester]

Oh look, ask and ye shall receive! Maybe I should try to summon some $$$.

I might do a thorough reread of everyone this weekend, we'll see.

Please do.

[The_Jester]

I tried so hard and got so far
But in the end, it doesn't even matter

@Joe don't get discouraged so easily.Nobody has stated intent to hammer as of yet (and rightfully so). If you're truly town then you'll avoid lynch naturally. Now would be a good idea to do some scumhunting though. You seem to hold a grudge against pistachi0n, try to convince us we should lynch her instead of you.

[The_Jester]

@Marie your vote's still from RVS. Surely you have developed some reads since then. Care to share with us?

[The_Jester]

Feel pretty good about SS and Korts as potentially townies

Meh they both need to provide more content.

Stach feels kind of off, and yeah not real thrilled with the lets just shut down discussion about theory in a setup like this where theory can be useful.

Fair point but I think she may have just found the game stagnant and wanted some action. I know I have.
Though the lack of explanation bothers me a bit.

not easy to jump in after the shotty ban.

He replaced in just after the game started so why should it be hard to jump in?

Joe is clearly a newbie but have not yet ruled him out as scum.

Do you usually rule somebody out cause he's a newbie? Do you think a newbie is unable to play as mafia? Or do you think you'd be able to tell his alignment right off the bat? From my experience newb scum can play very alike newb town.

I think it might even be a good idea to not place anyone person at l1 for now considering there are 4 scum who could easily turn the voting tide.

Let's just agree to lynch everybody who quickhammers.

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Side note: "Stach" in my language is an abbreviation for a male name. Looks funny when you call pistachi0n that.

[The_Jester]

So Joe, looks like we have 3 townies established so it should go easy from now on. Kappa.

Shotty has a rep, lets just say, I have always gotten along with him, but then I get along with pretty much everyone. A lot of people do not get on well with him though on site.

I remember replacing in a game, where i was lynched primarily because my pred was really hated and often scum read, and I was town in that game, so yeah I have a bit of sympathy for a newbie put in that position.

It's one thing to replace into a slot suspicious because of its actions and a completely different story replacing into a slot not liked cause of it's current occupant. My philosophy is to give everybody a chance with each separate game but on the other hand there are few people who I resent and would probably fail to be impartial of.

I quite like that readlist from Joe (not because I'm on top but who's gonna believe me anyway).

In general, we need more activity but there's still plenty of time left.

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Yeah go ahead

[The_Jester]

Right. Appreciate you guys doing the work for us less mathematically skilled. It's not alignment indicative though so no town points for that, sorry.

[The_Jester]

@Pepper when you return, I expect you to re-evaluate your stance on Joe in the light of his recent activity.

[The_Jester]

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Actually, now that I think about it you could be linked to Rach. You called me out specifically for inactivity, when Rach and I have had the same amount of posts yet you have no mention of her inactivity.

Actually he could be linked to anyone. Literally few posts below:

I swear there has to be at least two scum on my wagon.

RachMarie, have any of your reads changed? I'm reading your ISO and it seems like you're just doing the minimum to get by.

Ok so we got Rachmarie, DP, and pistachi0n who need to post more.

Also this call for activity is a town cred attempt.

Agreed.

Also going by Sloppy's pattern, he's gonna vote me. Pistachion voted for him and he switched. Korts questioned him and he went there too. Thats the way he plays

This I don't like. Like you're trying to discredit a potential wagon on you in advance.

[The_Jester]

Why should we try to find teams and discuss bussing when everybody's still alive? It's useless.

[The_Jester]

All this will do is make scum more cautious and learn patterns to abuse. Really bad idea.

[The_Jester]

That's true but I still think it's too early to post publicly such stuff so early.

[The_Jester]

Plus "not interacting normally" can take very different forms. Like how would you define "normally"?

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Feeling even better about korts being town.

He does look town but I don't feel too good about it, on the other hand. I just get paranoid when people look too clean lol. Plus he surely has enough experience to pull this off if he's scum.

Still feel good about my vote

Yeah pistachi0n did nothing to assure me she's town. Here comes Johnny

VOTE: pistachi0n

we have a 4/7ths chance of lynching scum, which is far better than usual.

DP is worrying me a bit too, not feeling good about that slot. Especially since i know there 4 scum out there.

See, stuff like this makes me worry about you too. This doesn't add to the discussion in any way, you're just faking being active. Let's assume it's the work projects for now.

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Korts makes sense. I waated my time linking Joe to someone when D1 shows nothing. Its useless to make links now simply because we have nothing to work with.

And? Are you gonna try not to be useless in the future?

...Oh, and yeah, apparently I'm scared. That explains why I'm voting Korts, not the tons of scummy/fake stuff he said.

Is fluffing scummy? I'd say it's neutral. Isn't there anything you like about Korts' posts? Not a single sentence?

I would be surprised, however, if ANY of my four scum reads are off.

I wouldn't be surprised either.

So now wanting more activity is "trying too hard to appear town." Gotcha.

It's fine to want it but saying stuff like "gosh darn, I wish people posted more!" doesn't help at all. You shame Korts for fluffing while you do the same. Focus on asking the right questions.

There's not a lot of content for me to work with.

Isn't there? Seriously?

The Jester seems a little scummy, but I don't want to lynch him today because he will be very useful if he turns out to be town.

Won't anybody be useful if they turn out to be town?
Plus wtf if you can't make a solid case on your current lead and you think someone else is scummy, switch your target and work on it. Come on, it's elementary.

I can actually agree with you on this. It's our job as town to look for your own analysis, not react when something already happened.

You don't seem to apply this rule to yourself too well.

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Not at all.

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Or, alternatively, you can just contribute more and you won't have to be compared to her. The fact that you yourself acknowledge your poor play and are fine with it is worrying.

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No I don't blame you for low activity. You can post from time to time and still include some quality stuff. What I don't like is how you imply that it's not a big deal to be detached from the game if someone else does this too (Marie in this case).

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I'm not implying its okay. I merely said people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

I think everyone should be "throwing stones". That's the general idea of the game.

BTW I am willing to hammer pistachi0n whenever the town sees fit. I would also welcome a hammer on SloppyJoe, of course.

Let's hold our horses, we're merely halfway through the day.

@Pistachi0n, now would be a good time to really get into the game.

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Lol yeah claiming is pointless

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Pistachi0n, can you tell us why should we lynch Joe over you? You're still voting him but I have yet to see any valid justification.

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Something Smart should know a bit about that, unfortunately he does not seem to bother atm

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There have been 100 posts since your readlist but your reads don't seem to have changed at all. Doesn't it bother you pistachi0n didn't post anything of value since then?
Why do you want to lynch Korts? If you want to see him or Pepper lynched, you should at least try to make a case on them and lead their wagons. How do you expect to lynch them when Pepper has no votes on him and you're the only person voting Korts? Stop being lazy.

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@Pistachi0n do you prefer playing as town or mafia?

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See, I think you're severly overthinking it. I don't think any of you looks town at this point. So my plan is to take the scummiest one and lynch him/her, rinse and repeat. I don't share your mindset of "townhunting" or "looking at the bigger picture". I also don't agree keping your thoughts to yourself is pro-town at all. I think you're trying to push your agenda to mask that actually you have no real idea as to how solve the game. For all I know you could very well be pistachi0n's partner.

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pistachi0n's activity is incredibly anti-town. I'm putting my vote off her because there is a possibility in my mind that she is a VI

This is the most ridiculous reason to stop voting for someone I've ever seen.

I don't see DP as town atm but he's definitely not my primal target. I'd rather lynch pistachi0n or Marie for the time being.

Joe's getting on my nerves with his cockiness cause I don't see the reason for him to be so sure of himself.

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Care to elaborate on your reads? Or are you just pulled towards inactivity?

I'm pulled towards value posting. Both pistachi0n and Marie have failed to provide any useful content, apart from fluff, IIoA and stating the obvious/repeating after other players.

Care to go to Joe then?

I've got mixed feelings about him and I couldn't hammer as of now. As I said, I'd rather do pistachi0n but looks like her wagon starts to dismantle. I'll ISO Joe and see if I get to any conclusions.

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@Mod could we get VC soon?

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I have a theory but I need to see night results cause there are too many moving parts atm so NL isn't an option.

I'm not a huge fan of SS's case on Pepper but I can't honestly say I see DP as town (his defence was also too convoluted for my taste).
I'm starting to think Pistachi0n may be town after all. Gut against reason.
Got a gut scumread on Joe, something's not right but I can't fully grasp it. I'd rather not lynch him today.
Not lynching SS or Korts today.
As for Marie, maybe she truly is just busy but I don't see her as town and could lynch her as an emergency.

In the light of this, let's discuss Pistachi0n vs Marie. I'd like everybody to post a prefered choice with a short explanation, if you will.

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[quote="In post 355
If she is scum, then the teams are likely DoctorPepper/pistachi0n and SloppyJoe/RachMarie.[/quote]

I thought you said DP is scum with Korts 100%?

Would you be inclined to vote pistachi0n or Marie?

[The_Jester]

If she is scum, then the teams are likely DoctorPepper/pistachi0n and SloppyJoe/RachMarie.

I thought you said DP is scum with Korts 100%?

Would you be inclined to vote pistachi0n or Marie?[/quote]

EBWOP

[The_Jester]

I dunno how I managed to fuck up quotes twice but here you go.

Would you be inclined to vote pistachi0n or Marie?

[The_Jester]

VOTE: RachMarie

Let's do this. If this wagon doesn't get traction, I'll switch to pistachi0n before the deadline.

[The_Jester]

Actually we'll only need somebody to hammer.

[The_Jester]

I'm still hesitant about him but he'll definitely be one of my primal targets tomorrow.

[The_Jester]

Marie has visited the site today but she didn't say a thing so I guess somebody can safely hammer now.

[The_Jester]

See ya on the other side

[The_Jester]

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So I guess we should look for the remaining scum A among people who scumread DP, which basically would be [SloppyJoe;SomethingSmart]

[The_Jester]

I meant scum B, duh

[The_Jester]

Assuming scum would try to kill other scum first ofc

[The_Jester]

Ofc it's not as simple as that lol

[The_Jester]

Feel pretty good about SS and Korts as potentially townies. but with the number of scum in this game, at least one of them is probably scum.

Hmmm

[The_Jester]

Korts, the person you are failing to bring up in your RachMarie spreadsheet is yourself

Well that was a pretty dumb thing to say cause it's our job to make our own spreadsheet covering Korts. It's pointless to ISO yourself, isn't it?

I looked through both of your isos, and you mostly ignored each other. She said you were town three times, but tried not to make a big deal of it. You were vague on your read of her, but aggressive with other people.

This is pretty interesting though.

[The_Jester]

She townread Korts pretty strongly but denied providing an explanation.

DoctorPepper, why is Korts town?
Rach, are you opposed to lynching DoctorPepper? What about SloppyJoe? (With 4 scum you surely should be confident on at least 2 scumreads by now.)

They are on my list, just not as strong reads as Stach.

BUT at the same time Marie has completely neglected Joe.

She mentioned him pretty far into the game

Meh I will take a closer look at Joe tomorrow [...] He is kind of a scum lean for me, more for PoE because I know there have to be four scum

But never followed with a more in-depth analysis.

Though she mentioned later on

Clearly no one is interested in lynching Stach at this point, so,

VOTE: DP

I also would lynch Joe.

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I don't see SS as Marie's partner. The only thing worth noting is he admitted he'd have no problems lynching his scumbuddy if he was in a bad position.

If I were pistachi0n's partner I'd be hammering,

But if not for SS's push, the Marie lynch wouldn't have happened so I highly doubt they were scum together.

[The_Jester]

Looking at pistachi0n and Marie's interactions, I doubt the could've been partners. That leaves probable scum between

[Korts;Joe]

Taking into consideration what I said before

So I guess we should look for the remaining scum B among people who scumread DP, which basically would be [SloppyJoe;SomethingSmart]

I'd pick Joe as my primal suspect.

[The_Jester]

Moving on to DP and his potential partners (scum A):

He and Joe have been going at each other for quite a long time. Joe was basically the leader of DP wagon. It couldn't have been a pre-arranged strat cause Joe replaced in after the game started.

Pretty similar stuff with DP and SS. SS is pretty much my only truly solid townread, so let's townbloc this shit.

Sidenote: I found this gem while ISOing DP:

Only way to tie is for both Mafia Roleblockers die. Unlikely

I chuckled.

[The_Jester]

DP/Korts starts around here:

That goes for everyone, DoctorPepper. Let's try to find one scum before we look for pairs.

DP's answer also was weird:

Korts makes sense. I waated my time linking Joe to someone when D1 shows nothing. Its useless to make links now simply because we have nothing to work with.

This conversation looks very fake.

Also this looks suspicious. Very defensive, followed by an immediate attempt to pull the weight on another potential scumteam:

On that note as well, I find it weird that pistachion not sharing reads is townie behavior, and me or korts looking for scum is scum motivated. Im sensing a connection between both of you

DP has excluded Korts from his scumreads while not providing a reason to townread him:

Tbh I can see either pistachion or Rach as scum, but I want Joe.

They've also both pushed Joe when he started arguing with DP.

Later on, Korts tried to shrug off SS's case on DP (although I can see why):

Reading Something_Smart's case on DoctorPepper only made me less inclined to vote DP. First off, there is a lot of just "valid point" and "that's fair" in that case - you know you only have to show the scummy quotes in a case, right? But even thet things S_S points out are some serious reaching.

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DP hasn't interacted with pistachi0n that much.

SS--what leads you to believe the game will be decided on Day 2?

The mechanics of this game prevent such a small game from being decided too quickly. Odds are good that a scum will get shot.

I still want to lynch Sloppy Joe.

I feel like Pistachion is coasting. The only content coming from her is recycled previous content. Out fo everything happening in the game this is all we get. Why do you want a joe lynch? What is your stance on pretty much anyone else. Theres more scum than town, surely your only scum read isn't joe.

This could be taken as coaching, although it's a stretch.

I don't see them as partners.

With this, my suspect for scum A is Korts.

[The_Jester]

Keep in mind all this is based solely on interactions/PoE. I'll ISO everybody once again to see what I missed.

For the time being, my reads are (for clarity):

SomethingSmart ---> pistachi0n ---> SloppyJoe (scum B) / Korts (scum A)

Lemme know what y'all think about this.

[The_Jester]

Just wanted to add: if we do decide to lynch somebody, it should be our predicted scum A because it knows which townie (if any) has the vest taken off and scum B doesn't.

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100% disagree. Going by my assumption that no team would shoot me or you, if we lynch scum and the BP-less townie dies, that makes things simpler for us.

Wait a sec. I've only now came to the realization there was no roleblock. If we assume the teams are B: [Marie;Joe] and A: [DP;Korts], goon A couldn't have been roleblocked, which means there's one townie hit for sure. So if it isn't me nor you then it's pistachi0n, assuming she's the third town. So the question is: who would would be the most likely to target pistachi0n and whether that's Korts.
It certainly could be him, especially that in his first post today he wrote:

this Night 2 result means we have a townie without a vest, and Scum A was the one who shot them.

And he added the possibility of a roleblock only later on, in post 385, which you pointed out in post 392.

Why would he pick pistachi0n over Joe, whom he tunneled D1? Well, we'd have to assume that was just a fake cover to make him look like he's scumhunting and in the moment of doubt he chose to pick the town's primal target (until we switched to Marie at the very end).

Of course I realize there's a lot of WIFOM involved but I'm posting this in case it helps someone somehow.

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If Korts happens to flip town, I'm gonna start suspecting SS so I'd like to see the flip. I don't want it to happen just yet though. Things look a little bit too obvious for my taste. I'm gonna think it all through tomorrow.

[The_Jester]

Kort's scum without question but I'm having doubts about the second scumslot.

[The_Jester]

[quote="In post 458
I could also possibly see The Jester as scum for how he refused to hammer Rach yesterday, but everything else about him seems town.[/quote]


Erm... it's hard to hammer when you have 1 vote and you're already on the wagon.
It's like you're not even reading the game.

[The_Jester]

And I fucked up. EBWOP

I could also possibly see The Jester as scum for how he refused to hammer Rach yesterday, but everything else about him seems town.

Erm... it's hard to hammer when you have 1 vote and you're already on the wagon.
It's like you're not even reading the game.

[The_Jester]

@Jester:
Are you confident that it's not me? Because if we lynch Joe and he flips town, at least one of pistachi0n/Korts will crosskill for sure, giving us the win.

Are you so confident cause you're obvtown or you just want to buddy me? I honestly can't tell anymore. I'm coming up with scenarios that make me very paranoid. This game is so tiring.

[The_Jester]

Honestly I'd just like to hammer Korts. Seeing him flip scum would calm me down greatly.

[The_Jester]

Honestly I'd just like to hammer Korts. Seeing him flip scum would calm me down greatly.

But then we'd be in MYLO without a clear scum. Do you see my logic for lynching the less confident ones first?

Yup. Just stating how I feel, it doesn't mean it's the best thing to do.

[The_Jester]

Take all the time you need, Korts.

[The_Jester]

It's not like he's gonna run away or anything. More info = better.

[The_Jester]

That could've been a dangerous gamble with a huge payoff. I'll still wait for Kort's final thoughts of the day before I decide who to vote.

[The_Jester]

This setup is seriously unfun. No space for mistakes or policy lynches (looking at you, pistachi0n).

[The_Jester]

Well coming to think of it, it would be the most profitable to lynch somebody who's probable to be scum but can also be the vest-less townie if we happen to be wrong. That way we don't risk 2 townies dead before the next day.

[The_Jester]

Well it's hard to imagine scum acting like that, as much as I've suspected Korts. Sigh.

[The_Jester]

SS why did you hammer?

[The_Jester]

Hopefully she flips Scum A and we can put the idea of a DP/Korts team to rest

About that...


So assuming both scum remembered about submitting the nk targets, mafia can eliminate town completely tonight, which sucks.

[The_Jester]

Which is why NL isn't an option.

VOTE: Joe

[The_Jester]

What

[The_Jester]

So we're both without vests now, if we weren't we could have NL'd and let scum kill each other (or at least hope for it). Both scum have us confirmed so they can just kill us off and take the tie. If they decide to kill the other scum, we just lynch the remaining mafia tomorrow and they auto lose, right?

[The_Jester]

Oh what the fuck??? I glanced at the green text and assumed that meant pistachi0n was town. WTF

[The_Jester]

Well then, my vote's at the right place

[The_Jester]

Really? I've gotten townish vibes from Korts lately and I don't really see him as Marie's partner. Plus I don't think scum would self-vote with such a high risk of getting lynched.

[The_Jester]

If you really want, we could do that. Whatever.

[The_Jester]

VOTE: NL

[The_Jester]

GG boys, you did very well. SS was pretty much obvtown whole game and Korts really stepped up his game and showed clear town intentions.
Thanks to everybody else for playing, looking forward to seeing you all again soon.
Also big thanks to shos, who was an awesome mod!

[The_Jester]

By the way, I'm guessing town is Something_Smart and Korts

Bullseye!

[The_Jester]

Btw I didn't even check that mafia had daytalk lol. I'd like to play this setup as scum.

[The_Jester]

From the PTs looks like everyone wanted to lynch/kill me lol
Joe was merciless >:)

[The_Jester]

I was very close to hammering Korts but I decided it was a town motivation. Though it can be read twofold, I've had games where I've been townread for self-voting and I had games when I got accused of being scum and instantly hammered. Depends on the player.