Micro 634 - Wolf Hunt [Game Over!]

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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:36 pm

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First!

VOTE: Lowell

Lurking.
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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:08 pm

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pistachi0n, are you reading
Unsong
?

I'd say "What a coincidence," but... well.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #2) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:28 am

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In post 12, CareyHammer wrote:
In post 3, Ümläüt wrote:First!

VOTE: Lowell

Lurking.
VOTE: Ümläüt
I can't tell if this is a serious vote or not.

Not sure I buy Lycan's reasoning above, but I didn't exactly love Tiershift's "Let's wagon someone" while not actually voting either. At any rate my vote stays on Lowell until he posts.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #3) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:34 am

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Votecount 1.2
ConManMick (2)
- pistachi0n, Tiershift
[L-3]

Lowell (1)
- Umlaut
[L-4]

ChaosOmega (1)
- Accountant
[L-4]

Umlaut (1)
- CareyHammer
[L-4]

pistachi0n (1)
- ConManMick
[L-4]

Tiershift (1)
- Lycanfire
[L-4]

LycanFire (1)
- ChaosOmega
[L-4]


Not Voting (1)
- Lowell

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is Tuesday, August 23rd at 9PM EST.

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Derp, so he did.

I'm awesome at reading.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:19 pm

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Pistachi0n, what do you find potentially unserious about 13?

Tier, why the abrasiveness?
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Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:06 am

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No real opinion on Tier yet.

CMM, why Chaos? Just for the wagon?

Accountant's random vote on CMM actually pinged me a bit, seemed like too much explanation for what in the end is just a joke, but I'm not sure that really means anything.

What bothers me more is Carey starting with a vote that at least purported to be serious and then switching to a jokey vote afterward. This does nothing to help activate an already slow game. VOTE: CareyHammer
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Post Post #40 (isolation #6) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:07 am

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Accountant's random vote on Chaos, rather
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Post Post #44 (isolation #7) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:33 am

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In post 42, Accountant wrote:It's reaching at best and a misrep at worst to interpret Carey's first vote as "purporting to be serious".
I guess it is kind of a reach, but hell if I have anything more solid to go on right now.

If Carey had just laid down a naked vote I'd assume his vote was random; if he said something ridiculous I'd assume his vote was random; but instead he quoted me and then voted me. Via the maxim of relevance it's reasonable to infer that the two are related and that contained in the quote is an actual reason for his vote. So either it was a serious vote or at the least he wanted someone to think it might be.

At any rate his second vote doesn't seem like he really wants the game to progress out of RVS, which is as good a reason as any for a vote on page 2.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #8) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:05 am

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CMM, while you're answering Chaos' question can you also answer mine (about why you voted him)?

Still waiting for an answer from pistachi0n as well.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #9) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:15 am

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In post 47, TierShift wrote:VOTE: accountant

Please sheep. Wee need dis
Well, you did say please.

VOTE: Accountant
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Post Post #59 (isolation #10) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:23 pm

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@Carey
Do you have any actual reads yet, even weak ones?

@Lowell
What particularly pings you as newbish about Accountant?
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Post Post #63 (isolation #11) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:20 am

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I don't think Carey's done anything to justify a townread. Where did that come from, Accountant?
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Post Post #65 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:07 am

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I guess I can buy that. It just seems like a bad precedent to say that not contributing to scumhunting is a town trait.

@Tier
Why do you want everyone to vote for Accountant?
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Post Post #70 (isolation #13) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:21 pm

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Okay, but what pinged you as newbish in the first place?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:05 am

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It's hard for scum to write the word "no"?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:24 am

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That just seems more playstyle-indicative than anything. If I'm terse and minimalist as town I'm going to emulate that as scum. This is seriously the easiest tell in the world to fake.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:56 am

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I'm increasingly happy with my vote.

@CMM
In post 35, ConManMick wrote:Mon lads, let's get the wheels of this game spinning. I'm seeing maybe three people do anything, and I've just shitposted.
This was three days ago. People are doing things now, do you have anything to say about it?
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Post Post #93 (isolation #17) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:30 am

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No real read on pistachi0n yet, though she needs to say more.

Townread on Tiershift for going after Accountant for solid reasons.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:47 pm

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@Lowell, I asked you this twice already:
What is it you see/saw as a newbtell in Accountant?

This isn't an idle question, I intend to do something with the answer (though maybe not right away). Either answer or at least acknowledge the question.

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Tier, what are you townreading pist for?
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Post Post #106 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:41 am

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Tier, what are you townreading pist for?
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Post Post #111 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:38 am

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Thanks for answering, Lowell, that's all I needed.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth, too.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:10 am

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In between those posts, Accountant said
In post 78, Accountant wrote:that's because it was a strong towntell that's hard to fake by scum
I can buy Carey's terseness as a towntell, but not as a strong, hard-to-fake towntell.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:24 pm

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Mick is overdue for replacement at this point anyway.

Oddly enough he declared V/LA in another game but not here. I hope the inactivity isn't people's only reason because it appears to be sitewide.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:32 am

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Hi!

Nice vote, how did you choose it?
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Post Post #123 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:36 am

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I was about to say "I think Mick actually had the biggest wagon" before realizing why that might not be your first choice.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:23 pm

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Liking Lycanfire as town.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:14 am

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Accountant, I'm concerned that you had nothing to say about Lowell calling you a newb. Did you agree with that characterization?
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Post Post #146 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:00 am

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In post 135, Accountant wrote:don't particularly think it's relevant to the game honestly
It's a tell I was caught on in a recent game, actually.

I don't think a player who's been here a year especially likes being called a newbie. As such the natural reaction would be to respond with either "that's not accurate" or "that's sort of accurate, but <face-saving commentary>."

However, in this case Lowell used it to support a townread, or at least negate a scumread; and a scum player would be far more worried about being seen as scum than about being seen as newbish. So the natural reaction for scum would be to leave it alone for fear of disturbing Lowell's townread.
Accountant wrote:umlaut [is my top scumread].

Feel like elaborating on that? I'd like to know where this came from because I'm usually pretty good at towntelling.

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I also like the case on pist, but the makeup of the wagon (beyond Tier himself) is just awful: a scumread, a lurker, and a lurker-replacement who openly says he hasn't read yet.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:03 am

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It worked well enough on me.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #29) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:14 am

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But he said please tho
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Post Post #154 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:37 am

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Chaos' readlist looks legit to me. (Not to say I agree with anything there in particular, it just looks good for Chaos.)
In post 144, ChaosOmega wrote:BBT - didn't like 35, looked like he wanted to show he was town by his desire to advance the game, but voted a person with a naked vote as their only post and who wasn't the leading wagon without questioning any player...BBT is voting leading wagons and hasn't really contributed anything yet, doesn't move the needle either way for me
I didn't love 35 either, but I think Mick's lack of contribution is made null by his flaking out.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:39 am

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In post 162, pistachi0n wrote:Also, notice how flimsy and willing to go with the current Tiershift is--claiming he townreads me and then "I did a reread :)" when an assertive person votes for me.
Who is the assertive person you're talking about?
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Post Post #167 (isolation #32) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:01 am

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You realize Tier was the first vote on your wagon and BBT was the last?
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Post Post #169 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:26 pm

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Just sheeped pist's scumread on Tier without even the most cursory sanity-checking. There's no town motivation in that vote.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:26 pm

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I mean pistachi0n gave reasons and BBT didn't see whether they made any sense at all (which they didn't, they were based on a misread that not even scum would make deliberately) before going along with it.

(And I realize as I'm typing this how I could have been misinterpreted.)
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Post Post #178 (isolation #35) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:59 am

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UNVOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

He's making a lot of sense, but I've had a pretty strong townread on Tier up until now. I need to think some more.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:03 am

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About why I was townreading Tier and whether I still believe in it.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:12 am

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Actually, BBT, your position with respect to Tier/Accountant is confusing. You say Accountant acquitted himself well and Tier should have unvoted but then you say he's done other things that are suspect and you can't really justify a townread there. Also I had my vote on Accountant for about as long as Tier, but you think I'm town.

Do you think Accountant looks like a wolf, and if so why shouldn't Tier have kept his vote there (but it was fine for me to)?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:26 am

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TierShift wrote:Oh yeah I didn't believe accountant to be scum after he explained that he found not taking chances to town it up a strong towntell
But what you actually said in response to Accountant's explanation is
In post 66, TierShift wrote:Yeah that townread is waaaay too light

Let's all vote accountant
And then you argued with him for a bit about whether that was actually a strong towntell or not, but never said anything about changing your read.

I actually assumed you were still scumreading Accountant but voting someone else for the sake of generating more activity. It's kind of important to say when you drop a scumread and I don't like your just leaving it undeclared and bringing it up now when you're getting heat for the read.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:32 am

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I have mixed feelings on Tier still, I do feel like his behavior generated some activity earlier in the day.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:48 am

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Votecount 1.9
pistachi0n (2)
- Accountant, ChaosOmega
[L-3]

Tiershift (2)
- pistachi0n, BlueBloodedToffee
[L-3]

Umlaut (1)
- Lowell
[L-4]

ChaosOmega (1)
- CareyHammer
[L-4]

Lowell (1)
- LycanFire
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Not Voting (2)
- Tiershift, Umlaut

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is Tuesday, August 23rd at 9PM EST.

Mod Notes

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In post 191, Accountant wrote:Yes. I love townreads. I love being townread. I encourage everyone to townread me. I'm certainly not going to stop people from townreading me, unless it has nasty side effects like not taking me seriously because I am new - which doesn't seem to be the case here.
The thing is, when I'm town I generally expect to be seen as town, if not immediately then eventually. Maybe someone who has meta with you can tell me if you're frequent lynchbait or something, in which case you'd have reason to be paranoid. But if not then you'd probably want to correct Lowell's misconception, and expect that ultimately you could preserve his townread on you.

It's a bit like the "scum caught for the wrong reasons" tell in reverse. Town 'caught' for the wrong reasons should want to correct them.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:58 pm

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Too much RL today, maybe I'll have something useful to say tomorrow.

VOTE: Accountant
Haven't seen any reason not to still be on this.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:31 am

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In post 251, ChaosOmega wrote:I don't think you're getting a Tier lynch today, BBT. Deadline is about a day and a half from now.

VOTE: Carey
Do you think a Carey lynch is more likely than a Tier lynch?

Really?
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Post Post #269 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:44 am

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Sorry for semi-disappearing this weekend, that's not what I usually do but lots of things and stuff happened. Normally my life is much more boring.

VOTE: TierShift

This is for a couple of reasons, several more related to gamesolving than scumreading.
  • BBT wants to lynch him for pretty decent reasons and BBT is by far the most obvtown.
  • His behavior since he was accused seems a little too focused on finding a viable wagon that isn't him.
  • His interactions with Chaos are... interesting.
  • It's actually pretty important to find out Tier's alignment given that he's started so many wagons today.
  • The Accountant wagon doesn't seem to be happening so this lynch will at least help generate Accountant associatives.
Sorry, this post is still kind of lazy. My head isn't really in the game right now but I will get it there.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #44) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:09 am

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In post 271, TierShift wrote:Umlaut why do you feel my behaviour is focused on finding alternative wagons? I have very clearly portrayed my disgist with the other leading wagon.
That's kind of true, actually. I want to say "that makes sense if you're scum with Chaos" but that doesn't make my original point any better.

I do think your assertions that Chaos is town have insufficient evidence which is bad, especially since you called Accountant out for forming townreads on insufficient evidence early on.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #45) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:20 am

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Not sure on Chaos, it's not exactly a secret that ignoring your wagon actually works pretty well for either alignment so I'm not going to give him major townpoints for that.

That said, my point there wasn't that you're townreading him because he's your buddy, I actually could see it more as scum trying to get townpoints for not being on a mislynch wagon but not having any good reasons for a townread.

This doesn't explain why Chaos is returning the favor though, I admit.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #46) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:41 am

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UNVOTE: TierShift

I know it's terrible not to be voting with only a day on the clock but I'm seriously lost at sea right now.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #47) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:25 am

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I could do Lowell, he hasn't really done anything pro-town. The thing is there are are no strong interactions there, so we don't really gain any information in the event he flips town.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #48) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:11 pm

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VOTE: Lowell

Could also do Accountant, but I think this is more likely to reach critical mass in time.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #49) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:40 pm

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No one quickhammer, we still have the better part of a day.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:26 am

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In post 302, Accountant wrote:Lynch lycan

I don't like how he says I'm scum and chaos is town
How would you prefer he say it?

And what the hell Lycan, I finally give up on wagoning Accountant and then you jump back onto it.

VOTE: Accountant

I know Tier is willing to get in on this. I think BBT is too. We need one more.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:34 am

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About 9.5 hours to deadline. Four wagons at L-3: Lowell, Tiershift, Carey, and Accountant. Let's not try and start another, we're divided enough right now.

My order of preference is Accountant, Carey, Lowell, Tiershift. Everyone else post their order of preference and we'll settle on someone.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #52) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:49 am

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I'm not interested in the Tier wagon, I tried to see him as scum but it just doesn't work for me.

I'm also not sure how I feel about playing brinksmanship games to get people to join your wagon.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:11 am

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'gap'?
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Post Post #316 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 315, pistachi0n wrote:i still hope you get lynched (but am willing to switch last minute to avoid a no lynch)
Okay, if not Tier then who's the next best? He's the only one you've really talked about.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:39 am

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Six hours left.

VOTE: CareyHammer

This is now the leading wagon at L-2.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:34 am

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Carey, given the looming deadline, if you're around I recommend say whatever you have to say right now instead of waiting for intent.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:00 pm

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Hammer plz
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Post Post #333 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:22 pm

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Soo.... hands up, who else didn't actually read the rules?
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Post Post #336 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:37 pm

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Although this isn't explicitly stated anywhere, as a matter of balance I doubt there are more than two wolves.

What's nice about the Carey lynch is I don't think anyone ever made a case against him that was strong enough to warrant bussing. As such I think the remaining wolf is much more likely to be one of Lowell, pist, or BBT.
I would actually be voting Accountant if he were alive, so... thanks for that, wolf.

For the sake of being contrary and unpredictable,

VOTE: BBT

I didn't like the vague shade he threw on the Carey wagon even before the flip, and I didn't like his refusal to join another wagon when Tier clearly wasn't happening.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #60) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:53 am

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In post 333, Ümläüt wrote:Soo.... hands up, who else didn't actually read the rules?
I would like people to answer this, it will help me make sense of their end-of-D1 behaviors.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #61) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:29 am

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And this informed your choice to keep your vote on Tier instead of being willing to compromise?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #62) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:05 am

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In post 309, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Town is far too divided. I can see this ending in a no lynch.

I'm not moving off of Tier btw.
This reads as if you thought a majority was needed to lynch. There were enough people willing to compromise, even if they couldn't agree on a specific compromise, that a no-lynch was not a serious threat under the actual rules of the game.

I can't quite call this an undeniable lie, given that you didn't fall into the trap of saying you held your vote because you weren't worried about a no-lynch. But it looks bad to me.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #63) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:19 am

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The scum motivation to lie now is that, if you knew the game had plurality lynch, your refusal to follow a wagon that in fact hit scum doesn't seem so suspect since you can say it didn't need your vote.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #64) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:40 am

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Votecount 2.2
Tiershift (2)
- Lycanfire, BlueBloodedToffee
[L-2]

Lowell (1)
- pistachi0n
[L-3]

BlueBloodedToffee (1)
- Umlaut
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- Tiershift, Lowell, ChaosOmega

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is Tuesday, September 9th at 9PM EST.

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None!

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That's a good point, actually.

Working on a reread of Carey and associations with Carey today, we'll see how that comes out.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #65) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:06 am

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Meanwhile, though, does anyone really think Tier's vote on the Carey wagon on Day 1, at a point when Lowell was at L-1 and he had already stated that
In post 288, TierShift wrote:Also lowell has been a piece of trash

If you think that I just want a wagon on a lurker you are completely correct
and thus would have been completely blameless for being on the Lowell wagon, has any plausible scum motivation behind it? By doing this and then actively pushing people to hammer, as scum he would be hard-bussing his partner on D1 and committing to bluffing his way through three days alone, dodging suspicion, PoE, and an unknown collection of town PRs. This is not a strategically sound choice for scum.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #66) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:30 pm

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UNVOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

On the fence between pist and Lowell and don't have time to think much about it right this second.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:41 pm

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Votecount 2.3
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- pistachi0n, BlueBloodedToffee
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Tiershift (1)
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pistachi0n (1)
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- Lowell, ChaosOmega, Umlaut

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is Tuesday, September 9th at 9PM EST.

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None!

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VOTE: pist

I really don't understand what she's saying about Carey's associatives with Lowell. His vote directly led to a major wagon there. True this would have been hard for him to predict, but this isn't a reason to scumread Lowell so much as an explanation for Carey's behavior given that Lowell is scum.

I am totally cool with pist voting Lowell, but I'd expect a reason more like "It's Lowell or BBT, and BBT is townier for some reason," not "Yeah Carey voted for Lowell
but that was probably distancing
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Post Post #381 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:56 am

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Assuming scum was on the Carey wagon, I'd lean Lycan over Chaos, actually. Not that I particularly scumread Lycan, but he gets the least towncred for his vote since Carey would have been lynched anyway.

Also note the only reason he gave for Carey was his interactions with Accountant; if he expected Accountant to flip town this would be an excuse to drop the scumread on Carey tomorrow. (This alone is not evidence that he is scum unless someone can point out why he
wouldn't
make this sort of case as town, it merely weakens the immediate evidence that he's town for being on the wagon.)
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Post Post #383 (isolation #69) » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:48 am

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*poke*


Pist, BBT, who are your strong townreads? We can easily PoE this game if we can agree on a few players who are town.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #70) » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:51 am

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Cool, my top townreads are you and Tier so we've got a nice little bloc here.

This leaves pistachi0n, Lowell, Lycanfire, ChaosOmega.

I feel like Chaos is the towniest of these players on his own merits (despite the low activity) and also has the best associatives with Carey. I recall you had a townread on pist yesterday though, what's your current read there?
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Post Post #400 (isolation #71) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:04 am

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Votecount 2.4
Lowell (2)
- pistachi0n, BlueBloodedToffee
[L-2]

pistachi0n (2)
- Umlaut, ChaosOmega
[L-2]

Tiershift (2)
- Lycanfire, Joushi
[L-2]


Not Voting (3)
- Tiershift

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is Tuesday, September 9th at 9PM EST.

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Echoing Tier again because I know how much you like that.

3:6 in a closed setup is ridiculous. 3:6 in an open setup is ridiculous, but a closed is even worse. It would mean that if we mislynched on D1 (which we probably would) we'd be in lylo the next day and wouldn't know it. Someone would vote and game over.

I could believe a townie would make this mistake (I saw it in the last newbie game I played, actually). But then there's this:
In post 397, Joushi wrote:With 3 Wolves, Tier+Umlaut scumteam makes a lot of sense to me. With only 2 Wolves (to start) BBT and Lycan are looking a lot more suspicious, with Pistachio still in a bad spot due to what you have already said.
You are preparing here to vote anyone except Chaos, on whom you've stated a null read. This isn't scumhunting, it's waiting to see which way the wind blows.

VOTE: Joushi (L-1)
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Post Post #405 (isolation #72) » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:18 pm

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In post 402, Joushi wrote:A game with 3 wolves on the site I played on years ago would've been considered run of the mill. There'd be an extra cop or similar and everybody would be happy.
I'd like to know what this site is so I can avoid it.

I want to hear more from pist too, but if I'm honest I can't think of any specific questions to ask.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #73) » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:19 am

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pist, when you get back to the thread can you say who your top townreads are?

(I asked this before but it's kind of buried by now.)
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Post Post #410 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:02 am

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That's pretty close to the order I have.

Tier/BBT
Chaos
Lycan
Joushi/pist

Conversation seems to have died completely in this thread, and I'm not sure what to do about it. I think we should just get on with a Joushi lynch and then talk to pist's replacement tomorrow. I realize there's still a lot of time in the day, but no one seems to want to do anything with it.

@Mod: Is the deadline Tuesday September 6, or Friday September 9?
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Post Post #412 (isolation #75) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:21 pm

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Okay so like half the playerlist is due for a prod.

Can we do something, please?
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Post Post #414 (isolation #76) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:38 pm

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I feel like a narc right now.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #77) » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:30 pm

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Um... I know I said I wanted him lynched, that doesn't mean I didn't want to give him a chance to claim.

That was completely unnecessary, Tier.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #78) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:35 am

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So yeah, that was pretty obvious after Tier literally said he had realized overnight that BBT was town.

Welcome, mhsmith0. How do you feel about being lynched?
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Post Post #425 (isolation #79) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:27 pm

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Votecount 3.2
Lycanfire (1)
- BlueBloodedToffee
[L-2]


Not Voting (4)
- mhsmith0, Ümläüt, LycanFire, ChaosOmega

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 3 is Sunday, September 18th at 9PM EST.

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In post 423, mhsmith0 wrote: 1) What do you think of the accountant night kill? I see it was discussed d2 but not for long.

2) What are your thoughts on the late developing wagon d1 on Carey and the final d2 wagon on joushi? In your joushi vote you discussed being wind blown as a scum tell but your l-1 vote itself was in the direction the wind was blowing.
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It's precisely because the Carey wagon d1 developed so late (and I don't think anyone was really more than 50% sure it would flip scum) that I'm working on the assumption scum is probably off the wagon. I'm assuming I'm typical in not having realized the game was plurality lynch, in which case Mafia wouldn't expect the wagon to reach majority (which in fact it didn't) and wouldn't have any reason to be on it. The Carey wagon was kind of a compromise overall. This is why you are my prime suspect with Joushi gone.

Re. the Joushi wagon, I can't really complain, even after seeing the flip, except that the quickhammer was totally unnecessary (but maybe Tier was hoping to avoid the NK?). I would have been equally happy with you or Joushi yesterday, purely based on the Carey wagon. I still think saying "My scumreads are Tier, Umlaut, BBT, Lycan, and pist" is suspicious and I would vote someone again on the same reasoning, especially if they're in a lynchpool of two.

It would have been nice if we'd gotten more conversation yesterday, but realistically we all would have just lurkaderped for another five days and then lynched Joushi anyway. I haven't had much success in getting people to answer my questions this game.
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Post Post #431 (isolation #80) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:00 am

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I'm actually really liking what MH is doing right now. Not sure what I should do with that since my prior for "scum is off the Carey wagon" was pretty high and I don't want to weight newer evidence unduly more than older, but I'm not ready to vote him just now.

Maybe I'll reread pist or something.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #81) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:24 am

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Lazy posting.

MHS' case on Lycan appears solid to me. Since Lycan would have been my next choice after him anyway, I'm willing to reverse the order there.

I would like Chaos' opinion of the case as well as MHS' opinion of Chaos.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #82) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:02 am

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Just realized I didn't answer this.
In post 432, mhsmith0 wrote:What drove your prior on why the last wolf was off Carey? With Carey at L-2 and leading wagon (from your vote), I'd say that the temptation to be on the wagon of a wolf likely going down anyway would have been substantial for a buddy who wasn't already on.
I don't think it was clear that he was going down anyway. His wagon sort of came out of nowhere and I think Chaos was the only one who showed any confidence that it would actually flip scum. He was tied with Accountant up until I shifted my vote, and it could have easily gone the other way if I'd held out a bit longer.

Given that the game was plurality lynch and Lycanfire says he knew this, I think he's the most likely person on the Carey wagon to be scum since his vote was not actually what got Carey lynched.

Re. your point about his not actually pushing Carey in any way after voting, I didn't think anything of it at the time because I felt he had been clear that Accountant was his top choice and Carey a compromise (so I didn't seriously expect him to push the case). I'm not comfortable turning that behavior from NAI to a scumtell based solely on Carey's actual flip.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #83) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:07 am

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In post 435, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Like, I think lynching Lycan/Chaos wins the game so I'm not too fussed how we go about it.
Why Chaos? You've never cased him that I can recall.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #84) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:20 am

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I'd be more prone to believe it's MHS than Chaos. While I readily admit he's made some excellent posts since replacing in, it all seems directed at a scumread on Lycan, who is simply the most obvious choice after his own slot. A quick skim of pist's ISO uncovers that she never really did much scumhunting or gave any strong reads except maybe on Tier D1, and she said he was scum. I particularly dislike which seems like scum trying to demonstrate
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Compare with Chaos, who while not being especially active did ask questions, form townreads, engage other players' reasoning, and push the Carey wagon.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #85) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:24 am

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I'm not so sure we can have the conversation another day. But if you're not interested in engaging it today, I'll put it aside.

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Post Post #459 (isolation #86) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:28 am

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Intent temporarily withdrawn

In post 451, Ümläüt wrote:I would like Chaos' opinion of the case as well as MHS' opinion of Chaos.
Going to wait for this first.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #87) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:49 am

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Why, are you or MHS planning to take your vote off him?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #88) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:34 am

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I want MHS' opinion of Chaos, he hasn't given one yet.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #89) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:36 am

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That said we only have about a day and a half left now, so

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Post Post #474 (isolation #90) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:36 pm

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Yeah, I agree with MHS' opinion and I'm satisfied that he isn't trying to force some sort of "Well, maybe he's scum..." like he might if he expected the game to go another day.

I'd argue with Lycan's rather tortured interpretation of my posts but since he's getting lynched anyway I might as well just hammer him instead. No one besides me seems to want anything else from the day so lets git 'er done.

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Post Post #476 (isolation #91) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:41 am

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So what should we do while we wait for Snarky?
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Post Post #490 (isolation #92) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:59 am

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In post 486, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm just really sure that Umlaut is town. If he is scum, colour me impressed.
Funny, someone said pretty much the same thing in my most recently completed game (only it was more like "This is very good scum play, I'm impressed.")

Maybe someday someone will say that when I'm actually scum, that would be nice.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #93) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:52 am

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EVERYONE CLAIM NOW

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Post Post #503 (isolation #94) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:15 pm

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Nice job towntelling and casing Lycan, Smith. I most likely would have voted him tomorrow anyway after getting your slot lynched today, but who knows what might have happened between now and then to convince either me or (probably) Chaos to vote differently?
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Post Post #506 (isolation #95) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:16 pm

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Yeah, thanks for helping me maintain my own misleadingly impressive win/loss ratio gained largely through blind luck and carries.
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