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Not sure I buy Lycan's reasoning above, but I didn't exactly love Tiershift's "Let's wagon someone" while not actually voting either. At any rate my vote stays on Lowell until he posts.
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Post #39 (isolation #5) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:06 am
Postby Ümläüt »
No real opinion on Tier yet.
CMM, why Chaos? Just for the wagon?
Accountant's random vote on CMM actually pinged me a bit, seemed like too much explanation for what in the end is just a joke, but I'm not sure that really means anything.
What bothers me more is Carey starting with a vote that at least purported to be serious and then switching to a jokey vote afterward. This does nothing to help activate an already slow game. VOTE: CareyHammer
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Post #44 (isolation #7) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:33 am
Postby Ümläüt »
In post 42, Accountant wrote:It's reaching at best and a misrep at worst to interpret Carey's first vote as "purporting to be serious".
I guess it is kind of a reach, but hell if I have anything more solid to go on right now.
If Carey had just laid down a naked vote I'd assume his vote was random; if he said something ridiculous I'd assume his vote was random; but instead he quoted me and then voted me. Via the maxim of relevance it's reasonable to infer that the two are related and that contained in the quote is an actual reason for his vote. So either it was a serious vote or at the least he wanted someone to think it might be.
At any rate his second vote doesn't seem like he really wants the game to progress out of RVS, which is as good a reason as any for a vote on page 2.
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Post #81 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:24 am
Postby Ümläüt »
That just seems more playstyle-indicative than anything. If I'm terse and minimalist as town I'm going to emulate that as scum. This is seriously the easiest tell in the world to fake.
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Post #87 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:56 am
Postby Ümläüt »
I'm increasingly happy with my vote.
@CMM
In post 35, ConManMick wrote:Mon lads, let's get the wheels of this game spinning. I'm seeing maybe three people do anything, and I've just shitposted.
This was three days ago. People are doing things now, do you have anything to say about it?
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Post #103 (isolation #18) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:47 pm
Postby Ümläüt »
@Lowell, I asked you this twice already:
What is it you see/saw as a newbtell in Accountant?
This isn't an idle question, I intend to do something with the answer (though maybe not right away). Either answer or at least acknowledge the question.
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Post #146 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:00 am
Postby Ümläüt »
In post 135, Accountant wrote:don't particularly think it's relevant to the game honestly
It's a tell I was caught on in a recent game, actually.
I don't think a player who's been here a year especially likes being called a newbie. As such the natural reaction would be to respond with either "that's not accurate" or "that's sort of accurate, but <face-saving commentary>."
However, in this case Lowell used it to support a townread, or at least negate a scumread; and a scum player would be far more worried about being seen as scum than about being seen as newbish. So the natural reaction for scum would be to leave it alone for fear of disturbing Lowell's townread.
Accountant wrote:umlaut [is my top scumread].
Feel like elaborating on that? I'd like to know where this came from because I'm usually pretty good at towntelling.
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I also like the case on pist, but the makeup of the wagon (beyond Tier himself) is just awful: a scumread, a lurker, and a lurker-replacement who openly says he hasn't read yet.
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Post #154 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:37 am
Postby Ümläüt »
Chaos' readlist looks legit to me. (Not to say I agree with anything there in particular, it just looks good for Chaos.)
In post 144, ChaosOmega wrote:BBT - didn't like 35, looked like he wanted to show he was town by his desire to advance the game, but voted a person with a naked vote as their only post and who wasn't the leading wagon without questioning any player...BBT is voting leading wagons and hasn't really contributed anything yet, doesn't move the needle either way for me
I didn't love 35 either, but I think Mick's lack of contribution is made null by his flaking out.
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Post #165 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:39 am
Postby Ümläüt »
In post 162, pistachi0n wrote:Also, notice how flimsy and willing to go with the current Tiershift is--claiming he townreads me and then "I did a reread " when an assertive person votes for me.
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Post #171 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:26 pm
Postby Ümläüt »
I mean pistachi0n gave reasons and BBT didn't see whether they made any sense at all (which they didn't, they were based on a misread that not even scum would make deliberately) before going along with it.
(And I realize as I'm typing this how I could have been misinterpreted.)
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Post #182 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:12 am
Postby Ümläüt »
Actually, BBT, your position with respect to Tier/Accountant is confusing. You say Accountant acquitted himself well and Tier should have unvoted but then you say he's done other things that are suspect and you can't really justify a townread there. Also I had my vote on Accountant for about as long as Tier, but you think I'm town.
Do you think Accountant looks like a wolf, and if so why shouldn't Tier have kept his vote there (but it was fine for me to)?
And then you argued with him for a bit about whether that was actually a strong towntell or not, but never said anything about changing your read.
I actually assumed you were still scumreading Accountant but voting someone else for the sake of generating more activity. It's kind of important to say when you drop a scumread and I don't like your just leaving it undeclared and bringing it up now when you're getting heat for the read.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”
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Post #200 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:48 am
Postby Ümläüt »
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In post 191, Accountant wrote:Yes. I love townreads. I love being townread. I encourage everyone to townread me. I'm certainly not going to stop people from townreading me, unless it has nasty side effects like not taking me seriously because I am new - which doesn't seem to be the case here.
The thing is, when I'm town I generally expect to be seen as town, if not immediately then eventually. Maybe someone who has meta with you can tell me if you're frequent lynchbait or something, in which case you'd have reason to be paranoid. But if not then you'd probably want to correct Lowell's misconception, and expect that ultimately you could preserve his townread on you.
It's a bit like the "scum caught for the wrong reasons" tell in reverse. Town 'caught' for the wrong reasons should want to correct them.
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Post #274 (isolation #44) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:09 am
Postby Ümläüt »
In post 271, TierShift wrote:Umlaut why do you feel my behaviour is focused on finding alternative wagons? I have very clearly portrayed my disgist with the other leading wagon.
That's kind of true, actually. I want to say "that makes sense if you're scum with Chaos" but that doesn't make my original point any better.
I do think your assertions that Chaos is town have insufficient evidence which is bad, especially since you called Accountant out for forming townreads on insufficient evidence early on.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”
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Post #276 (isolation #45) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:20 am
Postby Ümläüt »
Not sure on Chaos, it's not exactly a secret that ignoring your wagon actually works pretty well for either alignment so I'm not going to give him major townpoints for that.
That said, my point there wasn't that you're townreading him because he's your buddy, I actually could see it more as scum trying to get townpoints for not being on a mislynch wagon but not having any good reasons for a townread.
This doesn't explain why Chaos is returning the favor though, I admit.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”
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Post #289 (isolation #47) » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:25 am
Postby Ümläüt »
I could do Lowell, he hasn't really done anything pro-town. The thing is there are are no strong interactions there, so we don't really gain any information in the event he flips town.
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Post #308 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:34 am
Postby Ümläüt »
About 9.5 hours to deadline. Four wagons at L-3: Lowell, Tiershift, Carey, and Accountant. Let's not try and start another, we're divided enough right now.
My order of preference is Accountant, Carey, Lowell, Tiershift. Everyone else post their order of preference and we'll settle on someone.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”
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Post #336 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:37 pm
Postby Ümläüt »
Although this isn't explicitly stated anywhere, as a matter of balance I doubt there are more than two wolves.
What's nice about the Carey lynch is I don't think anyone ever made a case against him that was strong enough to warrant bussing. As such I think the remaining wolf is much more likely to be one of Lowell, pist, or BBT.
I would actually be voting Accountant if he were alive, so... thanks for that, wolf.
For the sake of being contrary and unpredictable,
VOTE: BBT
I didn't like the vague shade he threw on the Carey wagon even before the flip, and I didn't like his refusal to join another wagon when Tier clearly wasn't happening.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”