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For real lilith? You might sayIn post 95, lilith2013 wrote:Wait you're at epcot today I'm at epcot right nowit's a small wolrd, after all(ok that's magic kingdom but the pun stands)
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Oops didn't change pages ok you aren't at typhoonIn post 109, lilith2013 wrote:I'm back from disney. I'll actually read this thread and say stuff tomorrow.-
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I love when a game finishes and I just start one with someone else. Because I feel like I have a really good feel for their play and am able to tell if it feels the same or different from what I just experienced. My favorite is playing with someone who was just town and now their scum bc I can confidently drive their lynch d1. It's called getting Vedith'd.In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:
I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...In post 185, PantherPunt wrote:I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today
Scum be warned
It's relieving for me this game, because I should be an easy town read for you. Unless your scum, but in that case I highly suggest choosing to TMI/fakeread me as town.
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if it's an outed alt can someone share? in case I've played with them before and have some meta knowledgeIn post 11, McMenno wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
why have an alt when it isn't secret?
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really hate the tone here. an attempt to be dismissive of the votes and act like they don't faze him when I get the distinct impression that they do faze him. since all of his posts are about the votesIn post 19, McMenno wrote:is this what passes for a reaction wagon nowadaysI don't understand this post at all. you're serious about your own wagon? can't be with regard to your Fire Assassin vote bc they hadn't posted yet. so....wat?
yuck as well. it's like "see look, contradiction!" and you're still posting exclusively about votes on youIn post 51, McMenno wrote:
say what?In post 39, Ircher wrote:TTH, join the RVS wagon for the lolz!
it's not a scumhunting mindset. it's a survival mindset. where my vote would be aorn pending full catch up-
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page 2 didn't have a lot
mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
had previously liked ircher tone in 10 and 26
mildly disliked fire assassin's mech talk in 27 as it's an easy way for scum to enter into a thread and look like they're generating content when they're not trying to discern alignments. mildly dislike the subtle implication that there is a payoff to no lynches/mislynches as they are objectively pro scum. not complicated
thought I liked TTH's responses to that, but it's really just simple fact that somebody was bound to say, and the helpfulness of it isn't a town indication. so struck that back to null
yet somehow liked Clumsy in 49 with the strategic talk about relying more heavily on confirmed flipped town players World 1 reads when they are still alive to talk in World 2. despite the fact TTH just expressed that opinion concisely in 47, Clumsy's wall didn't feel like fake tone 'helpful' mech talk. light read-
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interesting.....In post 193, McMenno wrote:
they're a firebringer alt but he plays differently on both accounts. or so I've heardIn post 191, PantherPunt wrote:
if it's an outed alt can someone share? in case I've played with them before and have some meta knowledgeIn post 11, McMenno wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
why have an alt when it isn't secret?
because you're scum, of course!
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In post 58, Xkfyu wrote:
Quite a bit actually. I have a fairly elaborate spreadsheet setup for every game that I play.In post 57, Fire Assassin wrote:
You keep notes?In post 56, Xkfyu wrote:You should keep better notes@xkfyuhow do they differ when you're town vs when you're mafia? ooc-
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In post 64, lilith2013 wrote:I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.
That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.@lilith
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In post 88, Clumsy wrote:Why is that? I don't see it.
lol @ ircher having the exact opposite interpretation as me. and using "fazed" as well. when I thought he was clearly fazed based on the fact it was the only thing he could manage to post aboutIn post 89, Ircher wrote:
He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.In post 88, Clumsy wrote:Why is that? I don't see it.-
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page 3&4
like xkfyu so far I think. 54 and 62 tone wise
like alabaska in 66, kinda like alabaska in 71, mildly disliked "what anti-town behavior am I exhibiting" in 90 as a self-aware perspective of only making posts that are, on the surface, pro-town
but I believe he believes himself when he thinks talking about strategy is valid and necessary when you have FB suggesting no lynches and shit
kinda disliked TTH in 69 bc it's mildly hypocritical as she's only thrown votes and replied to mech/strat talk. though I again liked (well, disliked in principle) the condescension in 78 bc I didn't see that attitude/tone at all the one scum game of hers I've seen. though I see I already commented that and am slightly fearful that she'll have used that comment of mine to continue with that tone if she's scum in order to stay in my good leans. to be seen, I imagine.
in 76, I believe she believes the Fire Assassin read that suggesting a no lynch is risky play as scum. though I disagree with that personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum
disliked McMenno in 79 with "stop this" and the vote for Ircher. through subsequent posts it seems he is saying "stop trying reaction wagons..." but if you believe someone is doing reaction wagons, you think they're town. so voting that person in the same post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.-
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why, pray tell, would these posts lead you to start a wagon from an objective standpointIn post 101, McMenno wrote:In post 89, Ircher wrote:
He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.In post 88, Clumsy wrote:Why is that? I don't see it.
I would say start a wagon on this shit but it's ircherIn post 99, Ircher wrote:
???In post 98, Clumsy wrote:Stop Mcmemer, you've violated the law!
But yeah, weird.
I hate this part of the game. I never have any idea of what to do.
hmmmmmmmm
if not for the "but it's ircher" caveat?
dislike the 'hmmmmmmm' as a "look at me thinking about a read!" when I really feel it's "not sure I can justify/get away with this so I'm going to hedge and see if anyone bites and votes and then I have permission and I can vote too"-
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this progression of posts has me scratching my head
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you say you found the scum team...so who were your two scum reads at that time? and why? were they independent reads? or linked together? you never answered ircher (ircher why didn't you follow up?)
after ircher asks for a reason on your vote for him, you take the easy road of "tone" without any elaboration. how does this jive with your ealier post saying "it's ircher though..hmmmmmmmm"
I quoted the rest purely to demonstrate you left that line, pbp'd lilith and then just answered a question of mine without commenting on my actual posts about you. all of which I did not like-
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some turbos at MU too. I think I have a feel for your playstyle. not pretending I know you.In post 204, Fire Assassin wrote:
You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.In post 199, PantherPunt wrote:personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum
WHats the deal here?
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good to know...if she wasn't scum in world 1 and town in world 2 I'd consider the possibility of this post being a slip of her alignment in this world, based on perspective.In post 205, Fire Assassin wrote:
game is here:In post 197, PantherPunt wrote:In post 64, lilith2013 wrote:I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.
That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.@lilith
have you played a dual world mechanic before where you were scum in world 1 and town in world 2? can you link it please?
DC DUAL
instead it's just null. thought I GOT ONE-
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your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?In post 208, Fire Assassin wrote:
I play this alt to play a different style.....someone in this game even said that to you.In post 206, PantherPunt wrote:
some turbos at MU too. I think I have a feel for your playstyle. not pretending I know you.In post 204, Fire Assassin wrote:
You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.In post 199, PantherPunt wrote:personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum
WHats the deal here?
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what on Earth could I be implying?!?In post 210, Fire Assassin wrote:
My partner?In post 209, PantherPunt wrote:your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?-
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Today.In post 213, Fire Assassin wrote: Can I ask when you started to suspect we were a team?
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Why is he a top town read of yours? You haven't made a single comment about him or had a single interaction with him. So we're all left to guess...until you tell us. So please doIn post 215, Fire Assassin wrote:
Odd, I can probably see it though if I squint really hard.In post 214, PantherPunt wrote:
Today.In post 213, Fire Assassin wrote: Can I ask when you started to suspect we were a team?
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so it's a meta read based on shitpostingIn post 217, Fire Assassin wrote:He isshit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as townif I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.
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ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.In post 219, Fire Assassin wrote:
He shit posts as both alignments, but its different. I don't know. Its really a gut kind of read. I don't know how to explain it anymore than that.In post 218, PantherPunt wrote:
so it's a meta read based on shitpostingIn post 217, Fire Assassin wrote:He isshit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as townif I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.
does he demonstrably not shitpost as scum? how would you characterize the difference you'd expect to see if he was scum here?
I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought process-
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?? but town by PoE of you and McMenno being scum- haven't got to any substance posts other than intro and Disney stuff. // and towny independent of my scumreadsIn post 221, Fire Assassin wrote:
Okay, so whats your thoughts on lilith and Clumsy then?In post 220, PantherPunt wrote:ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.
I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought process
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In post 224, Fire Assassin wrote:In post 222, PantherPunt wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out thereYou didn't nail both.
Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him?
That seems preflip bad.
And italmost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me.just you then?
the secret lies within my already posted words
admittedly so. and my reads are independent. they just happen to work together at the moment and thought it'd be a fun line to take when you began interacting with me. you haven't done anything to make me feel any better-
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you say "stop this" which subsequently is clarified as 'stop hopping your vote around to reaction test'In post 81, McMenno wrote:it's not a reaction wagon if you keep hopping your vote around you nut
doesn't characterizing it as a reaction test inherently mean you read him as town? or are you telling me scum genuinely reaction test when they already know everyone's alignment?
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all it takes is a quick click of the ISO buttonIn post 231, Fire Assassin wrote:
You are?In post 228, McMenno wrote:I am voting lilith rn
I swear you were voting Ircher.
this is fake-
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In post 194, PantherPunt wrote:page 2 didn't have a lot
mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
had previously liked ircher tone in 10 and 26
mildly disliked fire assassin's mech talk in 27 as it's an easy way for scum to enter into a thread and look like they're generating content when they're not trying to discern alignments. mildly dislike the subtle implication that there is a payoff to no lynches/mislynches as they are objectively pro scum. not complicated
thought I liked TTH's responses to that, but it's really just simple fact that somebody was bound to say, and the helpfulness of it isn't a town indication. so struck that back to null
yet somehow liked Clumsy in 49 with the strategic talk about relying more heavily on confirmed flipped town players World 1 reads when they are still alive to talk in World 2. despite the fact TTH just expressed that opinion concisely in 47, Clumsy's wall didn't feel like fake tone 'helpful' mech talk. light read
probably not.In post 230, Fire Assassin wrote:
Can you stop with the colors, they are kind of an eye sore.In post 229, PantherPunt wrote:In post 224, Fire Assassin wrote:In post 222, PantherPunt wrote:VOTE: Fire Assassin
though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out thereYou didn't nail both.
Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him?
That seems preflip bad.
And italmost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me.just you then?
the secret lies within my already posted words
admittedly so. and my reads are independent. they just happen to work together at the moment and thought it'd be a fun line to take when you began interacting with me. you haven't done anything to make me feel any better
Can you go any deeper in relation to Lilith being town or Clumsy?
194 is it so far. and haven't found any of the other posts to be pingy
lilith isn't a town read. just null atm-
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In post 161, McMenno wrote:
it's all in the tone yoIn post 153, Ircher wrote:
Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.In post 149, McMenno wrote:one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days
guess I did
yes ircher needs rope still
why are you voting a townread is the real question here
I guess I'm confused as to how your read has progressed...In post 226, McMenno wrote: they felt a little scummy to me but I am prone to scumreading players like Ircher and they have flipped town a number of times
tldr don't feel like I can get a read on him yet
scum read but maybe not bc it's ircher >> scummy tone and voting a townread >> felt a little scummy but prone to reading town players like ircher scummy so don't have a read on him yet
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Spicy.In post 245, lilith2013 wrote:Right now I have reason to believe that only one of those slots is scum, though.
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What happened there?In post 267, Xkfyu wrote:
Not exactly though, right?In post 264, lilith2013 wrote:Also Xk you posted the same thing twice?
Candid explanation s'il vous plait
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tbhIn post 269, PantherPunt wrote:Sorry I am sometimes in modes where I use a ton of acronyms and not sure what dictates when those times are.)-
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I've played like 15 games here and that was my first scum game. And possibly the game I got the least suspicionIn post 256, Xkfyu wrote:
You were an easy town read for me last game....but you were scum.In post 188, PantherPunt wrote:
I love when a game finishes and I just start one with someone else. Because I feel like I have a really good feel for their play and am able to tell if it feels the same or different from what I just experienced. My favorite is playing with someone who was just town and now their scum bc I can confidently drive their lynch d1. It's called getting Vedith'd.In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:
I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...In post 185, PantherPunt wrote:I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today
Scum be warned
It's relieving for me this game, because I should be an easy town read for you. Unless your scum, but in that case I highly suggest choosing to TMI/fakeread me as town.
I feel like I'll have an easy time reading you obviously.
As scum I just post how town expect town to post
As town I have a lot less generic posting style. Some paranoid/intelligent/aggressive lines that often do garner scum reads. What I meant by "I should be an easy town read" is that you should, in time at least, notice a marked difference in me vs that game-
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yuckIn post 282, Fire Assassin wrote:Lynch Lilith and move onto day 2 pls?
Or Clumsy.
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you're struggling for town reads....ok. good thing about mafia is you need to work on scum reads to decide on who to vote....In post 280, TellTaleHeart wrote:
Go ahead, I read up and I'm really struggling for townreads. Part of it is probably that my heads not all here but it feels like people are doing weird and counterintuitive things this game: McMenno with his lilith push and suddenly dropping his pursuit of Ircher, Clumsy and his Fire line of questioning, Ircher's recent townread growing out of scumcase.In post 241, PantherPunt wrote:*Sits and hopes tth is still reading and wants to interact*
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so in light of the weird things...ie mcmenno push on lilith and dropping pursuit of ircher....do you find that to be scummy?
(not sure what the clumsy bit is)
ircher townread coming out of what appeared to be a list of things he disliked...do you find that to be scummy?
flesh some of this out...even if you're not going to engage people and ask them questions. at least let me hear your thoughts/processes on these subjects with some more color-
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I'd like a lot more interaction with lilith in order to get that read to be something I'm more confident in, but as of right now there is absolutely nothing that makes me want to put her in my top lynches
so I'm vetoing that wagon
VOTE: McMenno
I know multiple people have expressed suspicion here...and I have found literally 0 redeeming kinda-look-townish posts. so let's put this up against someone (preferably not lilith)-
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I meant come EOD. otherwise we'd be locked into ircher and lilith wagonsIn post 297, lilith2013 wrote:I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.
pedit: you're one of those people
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jfc I just saw this unvote on mcmenno so I'm back to a solo voteIn post 289, Clumsy wrote:Responding to prod. Gotta leave for work in about 15 minutes, I'll be back later. Real fast, I like Lilith for town, iffy with TTH (posting kind of reminds me of DC Earth-Two TTH, who was scum), and Ircher's tone seems really off to me. I should be back before deadline though, so for now,
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ya nice shade that's uber scummy contradiction amirite????!?!?!In post 304, McMenno wrote:
this is pretty hypocritical coming from you as you were on fa, a vanity wagon, at the timeIn post 296, PantherPunt wrote:oh damn we are approaching deadline.
wow what a disappointing day 1.. we need to consolidate votes here and have at most two wagons. anyone off of the two competing wagons on their own vanity wagon is in my pool of people to get vigged tonight! good luck!
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talking about come EOD, as I've already said...but you'll get there-
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ya that or because I have you as scum... crazy right?In post 305, McMenno wrote:and now on myself
+ you're calling people to vote me so it doesn't look like a vanity wagon anymore?-
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why is FA lynch not happening?In post 302, McMenno wrote:fa lynch is not happening today
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I forget but will go back and look.In post 301, lilith2013 wrote:Not sure if I will join that wagon, need to reread for a bit.
Why are you townreading Ircher? Particularly after he made that post dissecting yours and then concluded with a townread?
ultimately, he just said he disagreed with me on things, but finds me town. I see that as trying to read into my motivations and where I'm coming from (which he notes he is seeing)
if he was scum, I would think he'd end that post by actually voting me. not ending with a conclusion that everyone can jump on him for as "inconsistent"
but hey that's me-
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so I'd said this but also liked things I didn't comment on.. give me a secondIn post 194, PantherPunt wrote:page 2 didn't have a lot
mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
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meh there wasn't much else in there I can explain other than just thinking the guy is town.In post 284, Ircher wrote:I'll do a Lillith lynch.
I am also willing to be lynched if only to avoid a no lynch.
I know scum can say this ^(post above) quite easily, but this felt real to me when I read it the first time-
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I still think it's quite telling McMenno couldn't bring himself to post about anything except for the early votes on him
until those votes went away. and then his posting still didn't look like solving. they looked like hopping around lines (going at ircher, then going at lilith) and iirc the lilith case wasn't really a case, it was just quoting a bunch of posts and voting. will double check-
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ya take a look at mcmenno iso
not sorting people's alignments.
1) bunch of posts about votes on him
2) talking about ircher then backing off of it when it actually got some traction to vote lilith for some really weak stuff (and has not pushed it or engaged her whatsoever afaict...lilith had to engage)
3) hasn't talked about the majority of the player list
conclusion is scum-
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don't even know what this means. are you saying you're town that's just playing terribly?In post 320, McMenno wrote:or maybe accept that not everyone acts like in the newbie queue
going to bed now