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[PantherPunt]

I'm alive and aware of this game

Still on vaca for a couple more days but should be able to spend some time

But not right this instant

HI ppl I've played with before

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You guys are pretty quiet

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Ooh tth being condescending that's a pretty big change up from the one time I saw her

It's a good look, I think?

Look forward to reading the game in the 10 minutes it'll take. When I have those minutes. It's Epcot today.

Fight more, folks

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Wait you're at epcot today I'm at epcot right now

For real lilith? You might say

it's a small wolrd, after all

(ok that's magic kingdom but the pun stands)

If you tell me you're at typhoon lagoon today I'll shit a brick

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I'm back from disney. I'll actually read this thread and say stuff tomorrow.

Oops didn't change pages ok you aren't at typhoon

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Gotta give me til tomorrow.

Don't worry about me being "non-existent"

anyone who has played with me knows I'm inordinately active, when I'm active. soon you'll collectively wish I'd go away for a bit

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I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today

Scum be warned

[PantherPunt]

I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today

Scum be warned

I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...

I love when a game finishes and I just start one with someone else. Because I feel like I have a really good feel for their play and am able to tell if it feels the same or different from what I just experienced. My favorite is playing with someone who was just town and now their scum bc I can confidently drive their lynch d1. It's called getting Vedith'd.

It's relieving for me this game, because I should be an easy town read for you. Unless your scum, but in that case I highly suggest choosing to TMI/fakeread me as town.

I feel like I'll have an easy time reading you obviously.

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someone else from that same game*

that didn't read well the first time

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they're. holy shit me. slow down

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VOTE: Fire Assassin
why have an alt when it isn't secret?

because you're scum, of course!

if it's an outed alt can someone share? in case I've played with them before and have some meta knowledge

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VOTE: McMenno

lolok

ooph

is this what passes for a reaction wagon nowadays

really hate the tone here. an attempt to be dismissive of the votes and act like they don't faze him when I get the distinct impression that they do faze him. since all of his posts are about the votes

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

I don't understand this post at all. you're serious about your own wagon? can't be with regard to your Fire Assassin vote bc they hadn't posted yet. so....wat?

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

I am.

TTH, join the RVS wagon for the lolz!

say what?

yuck as well. it's like "see look, contradiction!" and you're still posting exclusively about votes on you

it's not a scumhunting mindset. it's a survival mindset. where my vote would be aorn pending full catch up

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page 2 didn't have a lot

mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
had previously liked ircher tone in 10 and 26

mildly disliked fire assassin's mech talk in 27 as it's an easy way for scum to enter into a thread and look like they're generating content when they're not trying to discern alignments. mildly dislike the subtle implication that there is a payoff to no lynches/mislynches as they are objectively pro scum. not complicated

thought I liked TTH's responses to that, but it's really just simple fact that somebody was bound to say, and the helpfulness of it isn't a town indication. so struck that back to null

yet somehow liked Clumsy in 49 with the strategic talk about relying more heavily on confirmed flipped town players World 1 reads when they are still alive to talk in World 2. despite the fact TTH just expressed that opinion concisely in 47, Clumsy's wall didn't feel like fake tone 'helpful' mech talk. light read

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VOTE: Fire Assassin
why have an alt when it isn't secret?

because you're scum, of course!

if it's an outed alt can someone share? in case I've played with them before and have some meta knowledge

they're a firebringer alt but he plays differently on both accounts. or so I've heard

interesting.....

any response to my post about your early posts?

[PantherPunt]

You should keep better notes

You keep notes?

Quite a bit actually. I have a fairly elaborate spreadsheet setup for every game that I play.

@xkfyu

how do they differ when you're town vs when you're mafia? ooc

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I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.

That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.

@lilith

have you played a dual world mechanic before where you were scum in world 1 and town in world 2? can you link it please?

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if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

Why is that? I don't see it.

Why is that? I don't see it.

He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.

lol @ ircher having the exact opposite interpretation as me. and using "fazed" as well. when I thought he was clearly fazed based on the fact it was the only thing he could manage to post about

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page 3&4

like xkfyu so far I think. 54 and 62 tone wise

like alabaska in 66, kinda like alabaska in 71, mildly disliked "what anti-town behavior am I exhibiting" in 90 as a self-aware perspective of only making posts that are, on the surface, pro-town
but I believe he believes himself when he thinks talking about strategy is valid and necessary when you have FB suggesting no lynches and shit

kinda disliked TTH in 69 bc it's mildly hypocritical as she's only thrown votes and replied to mech/strat talk. though I again liked (well, disliked in principle) the condescension in 78 bc I didn't see that attitude/tone at all the one scum game of hers I've seen. though I see I already commented that and am slightly fearful that she'll have used that comment of mine to continue with that tone if she's scum in order to stay in my good leans. to be seen, I imagine.
in 76, I believe she believes the Fire Assassin read that suggesting a no lynch is risky play as scum. though I disagree with that personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum

disliked McMenno in 79 with "stop this" and the vote for Ircher. through subsequent posts it seems he is saying "stop trying reaction wagons..." but if you believe someone is doing reaction wagons, you think they're town. so voting that person in the same post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.

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so for page top...I'm kinda sitting at:

some form of a town read but not really in a ranked order
xkfyu
Clumsy
Ircher
TTH

not sure just yet and need to see more, but kinda in a ranked order
Alabaska
lilith
FA

scum
McMenno

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if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

Why is that? I don't see it.

He wasn't fazed at all by it. It's sarcastic, but sarcasm that seems to be from town rather than mafia.

Stop Mcmemer, you've violated the law!

But yeah, weird.

I hate this part of the game. I never have any idea of what to do.

???

I would say start a wagon on this shit but it's ircher

hmmmmmmmm

why, pray tell, would these posts lead you to start a wagon from an objective standpoint

if not for the "but it's ircher" caveat?

dislike the 'hmmmmmmm' as a "look at me thinking about a read!" when I really feel it's "not sure I can justify/get away with this so I'm going to hedge and see if anyone bites and votes and then I have permission and I can vote too"

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Spoiler:

okay

not voting ircher is a COP-out

I found the scumteam, folks

:^)

I found the scum

team

, folks

:^)

Team?

What makes you think I'm scum?
Who have you identified as my partner

if

I am scum? (which I'm not)

Tell me, what's the scum motivation for my behavior?

hey panther how about joining me on an ircher wagon

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.

it's all in the tone yo

why are you voting a townread is the real question here

could also be persuaded to vote lilith btw

@fa

I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.

That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.

this post is pretty iffy to me. I feel like there's something off about the wording but I can't really articulate what

I miss MoI, why didn't he join this game?

there are a bunch of fluffposts like these. lilith, what do you feel like this adds to the game

You should be taking issue with Ircher for scumreading both me AND Clumsy and voting a null-townread instead. Instead you are blaming ??? while still townreading Ircher. How does that even make sense?

here she's deflecting from herself onto Ircher. I agree with the sentiment but tone feels accusatory instead of explanatory; don't like that

I don't know Ircher's meta.

There are 3 people on his wagon and one more person possibly scumreading him, that's not "everyone."

not taking responsibility here

see, there's a bunch of players that I seem to get a scumread on every game and I can't read them; one of those is ircher. I think I might sort him later

VOTE: lilith

VOTE: Fire Assassin
why have an alt when it isn't secret?

because you're scum, of course!

if it's an outed alt can someone share? in case I've played with them before and have some meta knowledge

they're a firebringer alt but he plays differently on both accounts. or so I've heard

this progression of posts has me scratching my head

@mcmenno

you say you found the scum team...so who were your two scum reads at that time? and why? were they independent reads? or linked together? you never answered ircher (ircher why didn't you follow up?)

after ircher asks for a reason on your vote for him, you take the easy road of "tone" without any elaboration. how does this jive with your ealier post saying "it's ircher though..hmmmmmmmm"

I quoted the rest purely to demonstrate you left that line, pbp'd lilith and then just answered a question of mine without commenting on my actual posts about you. all of which I did not like

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I don't want to overly flood the thread. so I'm going to pause for now.

I'd like an answer to each question I asked, and if you ignore it, I'm going to keep reposting it til you do. so answer please. thanks

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personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum

You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.
WHats the deal here?

some turbos at MU too. I think I have a feel for your playstyle. not pretending I know you.

your play is markedly different this game so far vs what I expect. at least in what I've read thus far.

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I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.

That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.

@lilith

have you played a dual world mechanic before where you were scum in world 1 and town in world 2? can you link it please?

game is here:
DC DUAL

good to know...if she wasn't scum in world 1 and town in world 2 I'd consider the possibility of this post being a slip of her alignment in this world, based on perspective.

instead it's just null. thought I GOT ONE

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personally and think FB is very capable of suggesting that as scum

You have played with me in maybe 1 or 2 games, and you pretend like you know me.
WHats the deal here?

some turbos at MU too. I think I have a feel for your playstyle. not pretending I know you.

your play is markedly different this game so far vs what I expect. at least in what I've read thus far.

I play this alt to play a different style.....someone in this game even said that to you.

your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?

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your partner McMenno, I believe it was, ya?

My partner?

what on Earth could I be implying?!?

[PantherPunt]

if you have daychat tell him to stop lurking and answer my questions plz

[PantherPunt]

Can I ask when you started to suspect we were a team?

Today.

What do you think of my suspicion?

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Can I ask when you started to suspect we were a team?

Today.

What do you think of my suspicion?

Odd, I can probably see it though if I squint really hard.

Why is he a top town read of yours? You haven't made a single comment about him or had a single interaction with him. So we're all left to guess...until you tell us. So please do

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He is

shit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as town

if I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.

so it's a meta read based on shitposting

does he demonstrably not shitpost as scum? how would you characterize the difference you'd expect to see if he was scum here?

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He is

shit posting in the way that I kind of expect from him as town

if I am going to be honest.
Though I would like more content form him.

so it's a meta read based on shitposting

does he demonstrably not shitpost as scum? how would you characterize the difference you'd expect to see if he was scum here?

He shit posts as both alignments, but its different. I don't know. Its really a gut kind of read. I don't know how to explain it anymore than that.

ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.

I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought process

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VOTE: Fire Assassin

though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out there

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ok well I don't like that read putting him in your top 2. and I'm going to choose to believe it's made up for the time being.

I really WANT to be right that you're a scumteam, and despite my read on him being stronger, logic dictates that I should vote you considering you're either a)scum and your read is made up on a scumbro or b)scum and your read is made up because you have TMI that he's town so you just threw it out there bc you thought a read list looked towny and didn't have to think about faking the thought process

Okay, so whats your thoughts on lilith and Clumsy then?

?? but town by PoE of you and McMenno being scum- haven't got to any substance posts other than intro and Disney stuff. // and towny independent of my scumreads
respectively

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VOTE: Fire Assassin

though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out there

You didn't nail both

.

Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him

?
That seems preflip bad.

And it

almost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me

.

just you then?

the secret lies within my already posted words

admittedly so. and my reads are independent. they just happen to work together at the moment and thought it'd be a fun line to take when you began interacting with me. you haven't done anything to make me feel any better

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VOTE: Alabaska

stop this

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Alabaska

stop this

VOTE: Ircher

Why?

We sure loved reaction wagons in Beeboy mafia!

it's not a reaction wagon if you keep hopping your vote around you nut

you say "stop this" which subsequently is clarified as 'stop hopping your vote around to reaction test'

doesn't characterizing it as a reaction test inherently mean you read him as town? or are you telling me scum genuinely reaction test when they already know everyone's alignment?

if you thought he was town, why vote him? can you elaborate at all on what you felt was 'scummy tone' about his townread on you?

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I am voting lilith rn

You are?
I swear you were voting Ircher.

all it takes is a quick click of the ISO button

this is fake

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page 2 didn't have a lot

mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
had previously liked ircher tone in 10 and 26

mildly disliked fire assassin's mech talk in 27 as it's an easy way for scum to enter into a thread and look like they're generating content when they're not trying to discern alignments. mildly dislike the subtle implication that there is a payoff to no lynches/mislynches as they are objectively pro scum. not complicated

thought I liked TTH's responses to that, but it's really just simple fact that somebody was bound to say, and the helpfulness of it isn't a town indication. so struck that back to null

yet somehow liked Clumsy in 49 with the strategic talk about relying more heavily on confirmed flipped town players World 1 reads when they are still alive to talk in World 2. despite the fact TTH just expressed that opinion concisely in 47, Clumsy's wall didn't feel like fake tone 'helpful' mech talk. light read

VOTE: Fire Assassin

though I could be just goating it up and I nailed both. and vote for McMenno. more poasts from him should help me out there

You didn't nail both

.

Also what makes you think Mcmenno is scum besides my read related to him

?
That seems preflip bad.

And it

almost sounds in certain areas you are more confident he is scum than me

.

just you then?

the secret lies within my already posted words

admittedly so. and my reads are independent. they just happen to work together at the moment and thought it'd be a fun line to take when you began interacting with me. you haven't done anything to make me feel any better

Can you stop with the colors, they are kind of an eye sore.

Can you go any deeper in relation to Lilith being town or Clumsy?

probably not.

194 is it so far. and haven't found any of the other posts to be pingy
lilith isn't a town read. just null atm

[PantherPunt]

I would say start a wagon on this shit but it's ircher

hmmmmmmmm

one second, did I not check with this game for 2 days

guess I did

yes ircher needs rope still

Could you atleast post your case before continuing in flinging accusations at me; thanks.

it's all in the tone yo

why are you voting a townread is the real question here

they felt a little scummy to me but I am prone to scumreading players like Ircher and they have flipped town a number of times

tldr don't feel like I can get a read on him yet

I guess I'm confused as to how your read has progressed...
scum read but maybe not bc it's ircher >> scummy tone and voting a townread >> felt a little scummy but prone to reading town players like ircher scummy so don't have a read on him yet

you seem to have some experience with him. how many games about? have you ever read him correctly in any of them?

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*Sits and hopes tth is still reading and wants to interact*

[PantherPunt]

Right now I have reason to believe that only one of those slots is scum, though.

Spicy.

Gun to head, which?

[PantherPunt]

Also Xk you posted the same thing twice?

Not exactly though, right?

What happened there?

Candid explanation s'il vous plait

(Ooc means out of curiosity. Sorry I am sometimes in modes where I use a ton of acronyms and not sure what dictates when those times are.)

[PantherPunt]

Sorry I am sometimes in modes where I use a ton of acronyms and not sure what dictates when those times are.)

tbh

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Ooc ( ) which was the first iteration and which was the revision? In terms of your second single-sentence paragraph

[PantherPunt]

I sincerely appreciate the low postcount. I plan on going hard at some point during the workday today

Scum be warned

I feel like I just wanna policy lynch you for playing me so hard in The Woodshed...

I love when a game finishes and I just start one with someone else. Because I feel like I have a really good feel for their play and am able to tell if it feels the same or different from what I just experienced. My favorite is playing with someone who was just town and now their scum bc I can confidently drive their lynch d1. It's called getting Vedith'd.

It's relieving for me this game, because I should be an easy town read for you. Unless your scum, but in that case I highly suggest choosing to TMI/fakeread me as town.

I feel like I'll have an easy time reading you obviously.

You were an easy town read for me last game....but you were scum.

I've played like 15 games here and that was my first scum game. And possibly the game I got the least suspicion

As scum I just post how town expect town to post

As town I have a lot less generic posting style. Some paranoid/intelligent/aggressive lines that often do garner scum reads. What I meant by "I should be an easy town read" is that you should, in time at least, notice a marked difference in me vs that game

[PantherPunt]

Lynch Lilith and move onto day 2 pls?
Or Clumsy.

I am fine with either, I am fairly certain at least one is scum.

yuck

[PantherPunt]

*Sits and hopes tth is still reading and wants to interact*

Go ahead, I read up and I'm really struggling for townreads. Part of it is probably that my heads not all here but it feels like people are doing weird and counterintuitive things this game: McMenno with his lilith push and suddenly dropping his pursuit of Ircher, Clumsy and his Fire line of questioning, Ircher's recent townread growing out of scumcase.

:S

you're struggling for town reads....ok. good thing about mafia is you need to work on scum reads to decide on who to vote....

so in light of the weird things...ie mcmenno push on lilith and dropping pursuit of ircher....do you find that to be scummy?

(not sure what the clumsy bit is)

ircher townread coming out of what appeared to be a list of things he disliked...do you find that to be scummy?

flesh some of this out...even if you're not going to engage people and ask them questions. at least let me hear your thoughts/processes on these subjects with some more color

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oh damn we are approaching deadline.

wow what a disappointing day 1.. we need to consolidate votes here and have at most two wagons. anyone off of the two competing wagons on their own vanity wagon is in my pool of people to get vigged tonight! good luck!

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I'd like a lot more interaction with lilith in order to get that read to be something I'm more confident in, but as of right now there is absolutely nothing that makes me want to put her in my top lynches

so I'm vetoing that wagon

VOTE: McMenno

I know multiple people have expressed suspicion here...and I have found literally 0 redeeming kinda-look-townish posts. so let's put this up against someone (preferably not lilith)

[PantherPunt]

I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.

pedit: you're one of those people

I meant come EOD. otherwise we'd be locked into ircher and lilith wagons

ircher is a fairly strong town read for me

vote mcmenno?

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Responding to prod. Gotta leave for work in about 15 minutes, I'll be back later. Real fast, I like Lilith for town, iffy with TTH (posting kind of reminds me of DC Earth-Two TTH, who was scum), and Ircher's tone seems really off to me. I should be back before deadline though, so for now,

UNVOTE:

I want to look more into TTH and Ircher to be specific.

jfc I just saw this unvote on mcmenno so I'm back to a solo vote

someone vote mcmenno

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oh damn we are approaching deadline.

wow what a disappointing day 1.. we need to consolidate votes here and have at most two wagons. anyone off of the two competing wagons on their own vanity wagon is in my pool of people to get vigged tonight! good luck!

this is pretty hypocritical coming from you as you were on fa, a vanity wagon, at the time

noted

ya nice shade that's uber scummy contradiction amirite????!?!?!

talking about come EOD, as I've already said...but you'll get there

[PantherPunt]

and now on myself

+ you're calling people to vote me so it doesn't look like a vanity wagon anymore?

ya that or because I have you as scum... crazy right?

[PantherPunt]

fa lynch is not happening today

I am willing to vote ircher over no lynch

why is FA lynch not happening?

[PantherPunt]

Not sure if I will join that wagon, need to reread for a bit.

Why are you townreading Ircher? Particularly after he made that post dissecting yours and then concluded with a townread?

I forget but will go back and look.
ultimately, he just said he disagreed with me on things, but finds me town. I see that as trying to read into my motivations and where I'm coming from (which he notes he is seeing)

if he was scum, I would think he'd end that post by actually voting me. not ending with a conclusion that everyone can jump on him for as "inconsistent"

but hey that's me

[PantherPunt]

page 2 didn't have a lot

mildly liked Ircher's 36 from the standpoint of trying to evaluate all players in the game and recognizing someone isn't around. it's a thin read, but you don't often see scum prodding for more activity.
had previously liked ircher tone in 10 and 26

so I'd said this but also liked things I didn't comment on.. give me a second

[PantherPunt]

I'll do a Lillith lynch.

I am also willing to be lynched if only to avoid a no lynch.

meh there wasn't much else in there I can explain other than just thinking the guy is town.

I know scum can say this ^(post above) quite easily, but this felt real to me when I read it the first time

[PantherPunt]

I still think it's quite telling McMenno couldn't bring himself to post about anything except for the early votes on him

until those votes went away. and then his posting still didn't look like solving. they looked like hopping around lines (going at ircher, then going at lilith) and iirc the lilith case wasn't really a case, it was just quoting a bunch of posts and voting. will double check

[PantherPunt]

ya take a look at mcmenno iso

not sorting people's alignments.

1) bunch of posts about votes on him
2) talking about ircher then backing off of it when it actually got some traction to vote lilith for some really weak stuff (and has not pushed it or engaged her whatsoever afaict...lilith had to engage)
3) hasn't talked about the majority of the player list

conclusion is scum

[PantherPunt]

where the hell did everyone go

[PantherPunt]

or maybe accept that not everyone acts like in the newbie queue

going to bed now

don't even know what this means. are you saying you're town that's just playing terribly?

[PantherPunt]

so it's nine hours until deadline and I'm at l-1, will be going to school soon

might as well claim

I'm an alerter, at the beginning of each night I get a message if someone has visited me

so basically a named townie

So you are told if you were visited, but not by who. or told what action was taken on you?

On one hand, it smells like a bad fake claim. On the other hand, I feel like a fake claim would have been better made? Though this is definitely a claim that has an infinitesimally small chance of being counterclaimed.

Along the same lines, there is absolutely nothing that prevents this from being the truth, but being a mafia role?

[PantherPunt]

so it's nine hours until deadline and I'm at l-1, will be going to school soon

might as well claim

I'm an alerter, at the beginning of each night I get a message if someone has visited me

so basically a named townie

So you are told if you were visited, but not by who. or told what action was taken on you?

On one hand, it smells like a bad fake claim. On the other hand, I feel like a fake claim would have been better made? Though this is definitely a claim that has an infinitesimally small chance of being counterclaimed.

Along the same lines, there is absolutely nothing that prevents this from being the truth, but being a mafia role?

Though that's a super nerfed mafia role that's basically nothing. So maybe it is just a fake claim

[PantherPunt]

Clumsy reads as his townself here so far,

although that could easily change.

iso'ing lilith, this post kinda pinged me. hadn't taken note of it before

[PantherPunt]

finishd lilith iso. not voting her

[PantherPunt]

@mcmenno since you're admittedly useless, would you hammer yourself to avoid a no lynch?

[PantherPunt]

well unfortunately you're not an IC nor have you confirmed to anyone that you're town. seeing as it's day 1

if you're not lynched, the game becomes a night start.

you're never escaping the PoE in my opinion

[PantherPunt]

based on the tone and promptness of that response, I have a niggling feeling mcmenno is just exactly what he says he is though

except if lilith doesn't come back and she gets hammered without a claim and is like doctor or something...then we done fucked up

if you are watching the thread can you please announce your presence. just to see what potential there is for lynches based on voters who are actually going to be around prior to this deadline

[PantherPunt]

I'm fine with that,

it's not like I'm townreading you anyway

what's the relevance of this?

this is a weird pingy post and my fears that you're town have been assuaged a bit again

[PantherPunt]

I just tinfoiled for a hot second that alabaska is scum purely because no announced prod. theory being scum have daytalk and he has posted in there in the last 48 hours

but there were a couple particular sentences I liked in his ISO. am reading through everyone since post count is so dismally low

[PantherPunt]

Prodding Fire Assassin and Alabaska J

nevermind was prodded last night and prod deadline is beyond lynch deadline. ok not doing alabaska

[PantherPunt]

Following McMenno's claim, I think I want to move the wagon to someone else. I'd still rather lynch him over Lilith though, so I'd like to see if anyone is willing to switch to either Ircher or FA.

xkfyu close to getting locktown status from me btw

as scum, there's no need to want to move away from mcmenno (has already precluded himself from scum/scum with mcmenno imo)

[PantherPunt]

So I just read Alabaska again for posterity, Clumsy, and FA. I don't want to lynch any of them. xkfyu is super offlimits

If we aren't going mcmenno, then I need to revisit ircher, TTH, and lilith

[PantherPunt]

oh, and I'm fine with deadline lynching ircher over no lynch, but we'd need another vote for that

but I want to wait for alabaska first, if alabaska doesn't show up by deadline I'll hammer ircher

do you mean lilith?

[PantherPunt]

Okay I'm here.

I'd like for a lynch to happen and I'd like for it to not be mine. I think Mcmenno's claim sounds like a town one. I don't

think

it's a fakeclaim because it sounds like a mod-supplied claim (that is, I don't think it's something scum would come up with on their own), and last game we weren't given fakeclaims so I think it's probably the same this game.

I have some thoughts on Xk but I think it can wait until after the lynch/tomorrow.

this is also a towny ass post

[PantherPunt]

if you're serious about this wagon please raise your hand

raises hand

McMenno is more likely town for his response to the reaction wagon.

if I assume McMenno is town, then I dislike this post a lot more based on how differently I interpreted mcmennos reactions to the votes. I could see it being Ircher failing to see the reaction as anything but town because of that TMI-bias of knowing mcmenno is town

[PantherPunt]

So I just read Alabaska again for posterity, Clumsy, and FA. I don't want to lynch any of them. xkfyu is super offlimits

If we aren't going mcmenno, then I need to revisit ircher, TTH, and lilith

You said I was scum quite a few times, what's up here?

I just reread your ISO and saw a few things that are towny enough to buy you a d1 pass. and part of my push on you was an attempt to push your buttons and see how you'd respond. didn't like what I got back but I also didn't hate it. so holistically you're outside of my top 2 lynch choices

[PantherPunt]

@FA it was a reaction post to Ircher where you asked about his reads being almost identical to yours. found that to be a hard post for scum to make

[PantherPunt]

can I interest anyone in a TTH chinese fire drill?

[PantherPunt]

I'm not really sure what a chinese fire drill is

Reading her iso

flash wagon seems to be the term here

I just read her ISO and there's not really anything that looks like solving. some berating and condescension (which I gave town points for earlier) relating to theory talk.

picking on Clumsy the LHF but primarily doing it by piggybacking on FA making a push

coming to townreads on FA and me. FA who was her first and only real justified townread. me with no explanation but if she's scum I imagine it's to keep me pocketed since I expressed an early townread on her

gives a list of willing-to-lynch that includes mcmenno who she didn't talk about until very recently (and only saying she agreed with my push) and lilith (not sure if/when she talked about lilith) who both happen to be the competing wagons

but of note, I haven't seen her make an "novel" pushes or reads where she starts a line of questioning herself or gives an interpretation for action that really proves to me she is mulling over motivations and trying to discern alignments.

if I got to choose between ircher and tth I'm voting tth hands down

[PantherPunt]

Town: PantherPunt, Fire Assassin
Maybe Town: Ircher, Xkfyu
Lower Echelon: Clumsy, Alabaska J, lilith2013, McMenno

I like where PantherPunt's head is at with his McMenno push (specifically Post 202).
Fire Assassin is a lot more lurk-ish and disengaged as scum, which isn't showing up here. I also like his Clumsy push.
At the risk of falling into the "too bad to be scum" trap, I would have to think that Ircher as scum would put a lot more effort into making his reads look "consistent" and match-y than the whole bizarre thing with Panther (Post 247) and Alabaska (Post 132).

Everyone else is meh (except Clumsy, he's scummy).

ircher was outside of your bottom 4...why not push your reads on anyone you have a lesser opinion on TTH?

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

Unofficial VC

McMenno (3) -

PantherPunt

, Xkfyu, lilith2013, Clumsy
lilith2013 (3) - Fire Assassin, McMenno, Ircher,

TellTaleHeart

Ircher (2) - Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart
TellTaleHeart (1) - Panther

join me

[PantherPunt]

I mean, I'm all up for a tth lynch but we don't have enough votes for that

funny you haven't mentioned her at all the whole game

[PantherPunt]

NULL pt 2

McMenno - so mcmenno is down here because i have two wildly different interpretations for his behavior and i won't go into them yet. however, in both of my theories, ircher is scum. so without further ado

idk I have a hard time thinking scum make a post faking this type of mindset

[PantherPunt]

Whatever
2 shot Watcher

Do what you want.

L-3 claim

wtf

[PantherPunt]

Whatever
2 shot Watcher

Do what you want.

L-3 claim

wtf

town TTH absolutely has to know that's not the time to claim right? I mean that's potentially the most powerful role in the game

[PantherPunt]

Unofficial VC

Ircher (3) - Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart, xkfyu
McMenno (2) - PantherPunt, lilith2013, Clumsy
lilith2013 (2) - Fire Assassin, Ircher, TellTaleHeart
TellTaleHeart (2) - Panther, McMenno

well gang...gonna need to make a decision here

[PantherPunt]

I'll try to get back on but no guarantees.
This is what happens when you flashwagon at deadline.

you got 2 votes. after you voted ircher despite mcmenno and lilith being your top scum. and you don't comment on them at all and change to ircher. why wouldn't you assert your belief

[PantherPunt]

what does watcher do? Tell you the action they took?

they target someone and report who visited that person

i.e. if they target the person who is nightkilled, they have a guilty on the killer (barring stuff like ninja)

[PantherPunt]

what does watcher do? Tell you the action they took?

they target someone and report who visited that person

i.e. if they target the person who is nightkilled, they have a guilty on the killer (barring stuff like ninja)

slow pony is slow...

ya ok so we let TTH claim resolve itself obv. by posts, mcmenno is most scummy but by claim meh

ircher is really the only person pepole will vote huh?

[PantherPunt]

Unofficial VC

Ircher (3) - Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart, xkfyu
McMenno (2) - lilith2013, Clumsy
TellTaleHeart (2) - Panther, McMenno
lilith2013 (1) - Ircher
Clumsy (1) - Fire Assassin

that last unofficial VC was all botched. this is correct and curretn

[PantherPunt]

so we're going to lynch someone who won't be here to claim it seems. so apparently claiming anything just saves you from being lynched... in a role madness game...........

[PantherPunt]

The game will be role madness and will be reviewed more extensively then last time!

uhh what

[PantherPunt]

jfc two people just claimed either vanilla or scum?

[PantherPunt]

Sure

sure to what

[PantherPunt]

so we're going to lynch someone who won't be here to claim it seems. so apparently claiming anything just saves you from being lynched... in a role madness game...........

Not necessarily. But claiming Watcher, and not being counter claimed, does.

I agree about not lynching a claimed watcher.... on day 1. if she doesn't die or deliver mafia though

[PantherPunt]

2-shot watcher seems massively overpowered for this game

but it isn't the best EV lynch. I can't bring myself to nut up and do it I don't think

[PantherPunt]

mcmenno are you still around?

who is the lynch folks?

[PantherPunt]

2-shot watcher seems massively overpowered for this game

but it isn't the best EV lynch. I can't bring myself to nut up and do it I don't think

Why haven't you moved your vote then?

because I don't have a clear choice between the apparently viable choices of ircher and clumsy. they both ahve + and - for me

[PantherPunt]

How come you said earlier that Clumsy was a no-lynch for you?

it was a tone and feels read after the ISO

it doesn't exactly put him head and shoulders above ircher though. ircher also has redeeming qualities but I soured on some of them. gun to head right now I'd go clumsy and it's probably because of the one post (if it was a good scum bluff lolme) where ircher said he'd self-vote to avoid a no lynch

[PantherPunt]

I'll hammer ircher if need be

but just for science

VOTE: clumsy

[PantherPunt]

unofficial vc

Ircher (4) - Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart, xkfyu, lilith2013
Clumsy (3) - Fire Assassin, McMenno, PantherPunt
McMenno (1) - Clumsy
lilith2013 (1) - Ircher

(expired on 2016-08-23 08:52:00)

[PantherPunt]

what the hell

VOTE: clumsy

that's the science folks... interesting.....

[PantherPunt]

unofficial vc

Clumsy (4) - Fire Assassin, McMenno, PantherPunt, lilith
Ircher (3) - Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart, xkfyu
McMenno (1) - Clumsy
lilith2013 (1) - Ircher

(expired on 2016-08-23 08:52:00)

[PantherPunt]

I'm willing to compromise on an FA lynch, I think. Not willing to lynch Clumsy today.

pedit: you're one of those people

18 hours ago

[PantherPunt]

feels like a mislynch

[PantherPunt]

TTH wanna lay out your last reads seeing as you should expect to die tonight?

[PantherPunt]

I would have liked a TTH lynch best. claims

[PantherPunt]

in that he's a probable nk, wouldn't you agree?

If TTH is scum, then yeah.

they should

[PantherPunt]

so we have a commuter (clumsy claim, lynched), a 2-shot watcher (tth claim), and a passive compulsive self-targeting motion detector aka alerter (mcmenno claim)

protective
investigative
super weak investigative that can only serve to inconclusively corroborate a claimed action of someone else

idk what if any conclusion I'm drawing just getting the info down together

[PantherPunt]

after all this I kinda wish we did Ircher

[PantherPunt]

Gahhh I want the flip

[PantherPunt]

I HAVE A RED CHECK LOL

GET FUKT IRCHER

gg world 1. What a fuckin sweep. Wrecks the whole mechanic. Basically like we are just playing two games

VOTE: ircher

[PantherPunt]

To be clear I am a 1-shot rolecop and got irchers role pm

He's an encryptor with 2 shot ninja

Literally has no night action in his power yet has a 2 shot ninja

So it's a guilty on him

Lolmafia get fukt, rekt, etc

[PantherPunt]

Ask me anything if anyone has reservations doubts etc

[PantherPunt]

Lol at him saying "I don't buy that"

One of the worst responses I've ever seen to being outed

It wasn't "that's a lie" or the like. It was "I don't buy that" lolololol

[PantherPunt]

And you vote for me. Like I'm scum and I'm so desperate to lynch you that I make something up when it would just result in a one for one and game would end next day

Just roll over and take it like a bitch

[PantherPunt]

Indeed a good thought but the perfect win is cool and that's semi outside the spirit of the setup - intentionally not winning

Anyways gg town

[PantherPunt]

He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.

Of course they wouldn't kill me.
I'm loved. <3

We had a town double voter and TTH screamed a soft of "loved" here (you always have one fewer vote than what shows in votecount) that makes perfect sense as a scum role to balance out irchers role

Way to claim scum in your first post

VOTE: telltaleheart

gg your game is over

[PantherPunt]

He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.

Of course they wouldn't kill me.
I'm loved. <3

and I'm hated

I believe this earth contains a flurry of vote-related mechanics

Lol everyone claiming their roles

Mcmenno town off pure toan and reaction here

Scum aren't openly claiming like this. "Loved" was just blatant to him since he's hated.
Tth meant it as a soft because she tried to fit it in context

I actually wish I waited and let her spew herself not-partners with more people. Now she can just stfu and finding the second scum becomes harder

[PantherPunt]

Btw I thought we were just in confirmation stage and didn't realize we'd be doing a scum sided night start

That's...scum sided

Will just leave it at that

[PantherPunt]

I stewed on it on my commute to work. I don't think it actually makes TTH scum.

but I think mcmenno is approximately never scum and I'm treating him like an IC from here out. - posts in conjunction with role

so bleh
[unv]tth[/unv]

but will be watching carefully

[PantherPunt]

what are the fkn tags here

UNVOTE: tth

[PantherPunt]

I stewed on it on my commute to work. I don't think it actually makes TTH scum.

Wait, you

actually

thought that a double voter was something that demands a direct scum counter?

It makes perfect sense as a scum role. It doesn't

ACTUALLY NECESSITATE

it. You sound like a prick here though so good job.

[PantherPunt]

Ircher kill seems reasonable, scum on world one versus town on world two could mean that he could be read as town more easily. Will be interesting to read clumsy today. I don't know why people are discussing the voting mechanic so heavily; in fact panther's early jump on TTH is the closest thing to a scumtell I've seen today. Looks like a scum trying to start a wagon on the back of town brownie points from the first world then backing off when nothing came of it. Even though these are different worlds if people are not careful their reads will bleed over easily; people who were Very Town last world I think will be overrated (for lack of a better term) in this world.

Ya I backed off of it when exactly one other person had posted because they didn't jump all over the vote and I got a limp dick because nothing would come of it.

Or I just actually thought about it and decided it's better to judge off of posting than trying to read the mod and setup spec an alignment.

Your post has an agenda and it's the scummiest post I've seen no doubt.

VOTE: Alabaska

[PantherPunt]

Ircher kill seems reasonable, scum on world one versus town on world two could mean that he could be read as town more easily.

Some people just love to TMI real reasons for kills in thread as scum so if you flip scum I'll laugh my ass off when I read this exact kill logic in your scum chat in postgame.

Will be interesting to read clumsy today.

You're talking like he hasn't posted. No thoughts on his 4 posts yet?

Can I infer by "Panther has made only scumtell' post that you're townreading everyone else or you just have null reads on everyone else? Does anyone look particularly town? Why?

[PantherPunt]

Btw Alabaska, if you are scum, the correct strat there is to SPK. I take it that Ircher isn't widely considered a strong town player so that was a bit of a whiff but I get the logic a little bit if that is the logic you used.

[PantherPunt]

It makes perfect sense as a scum role. It doesn't ACTUALLY NECESSITATE it. You sound like a prick here though so good job.

Why is that being a prick?
My immediate thought was that it was a reaction test, your later post gave evidence otherwise and now I'm asking you to clarify on your position. Calling it a "scumclaim" made it sound like you were arguing that it did ACTUALLY NECESSITATE it.

The way you crumbed it felt really icky. I, as town, would never crumb that role. That way if you're in a tight lynch with someone else, they get lynched and they might be scum. Their partner also may potentially out themselves as a late voter on you when wagons are consolidating.

Instead, scum can plan around that if you were to become a wagon and either choose to bus their partner (if no hope of getting you lynched) and hide a bit better.

The only reason I can see there being for crumbing that role is to be scum and to need to explain your way out of why you

weren't

lycnhed.
Then having Ircher's flip as doublevoter fit quite well with scum having a "Loved" player.

And it makes perfect sense to me that town would have a "Hated" in McMenno because when everyone has some type of role, some of them have to be chaos creators/antitown, and some that do basically nothing.

However, it's possible you're just someone who crumbs their role as town without thinking about the implications of it being so negative and -EV for town. Are you that type of person?

Or scum?

[PantherPunt]

Wait, you

actually

thought

You sound like a prick here though so good job.

The emphasized words are ALWAYS prickish to say. In that it's condescenion. When meanwhile you just didn't understand.

[PantherPunt]

I would probably have kept quiet about it if my modifier stayed in LYLO but it doesn't so I feel like it's essentially a filler role.
I've had this role once before and I crumbed it in almost the exact same way and nothing horrible happened as a result. I'm also someone who outed as an IC on my first post so maybe I am a tad impulsive but I don't think what I did was badly negative EV.

It just ruins it's potential to help in wagon analysis if you are in fact town. Now that both vote mechanic roles are outed (I don't diagree with Hated claiming) there is no purpose to them.

Thoughts on Alabaska?

[PantherPunt]

And I don't really get why the LYLO bit made a difference for you....but oook I'll leave that bit alone.

I disagree with your strategy there, and I think it's scummier than null. Best bet is to kill me early if you're scum.

[PantherPunt]

I did react? o.O

Any ideas on why Ircher was killed? He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.

Probably because me and TTH both rolled scum in this round.

He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.

Of course they wouldn't kill me.
I'm loved. <3

Oh yeah?
Why's that?

...? I see no reaction here.

I'm pretty concerned you're calling me scum here, Fire.
Fun challenge for you because I'm going to bed now: if you don't know why by the time I wake up, I'm voting you. :3

What is this about?

Why'd you ignore this though.

Care to expound upon what your self-perceived reaction was? And why you didn't think Clumsy/the issue merited a response?

[PantherPunt]

Care to expound upon what your self-perceived reaction was? And why you didn't think Clumsy/the issue merited a response?

My thought at the time was that Fire's glossing over the soft to pin a scumread on me showed a "need to fake reads" mentality but I've since mentally moved on from that. That's also why I let the response sort of lapse.

What about he just didn't pick up on the soft? How do you not consider that?

[PantherPunt]

I would probably have kept quiet about it if my modifier stayed in LYLO but it doesn't so I feel like it's essentially a filler role.
I've had this role once before and I crumbed it in almost the exact same way and nothing horrible happened as a result. I'm also someone who outed as an IC on my first post so maybe I am a tad impulsive but I don't think what I did was badly negative EV.

It just ruins it's potential to help in wagon analysis if you are in fact town. Now that both vote mechanic roles are outed (I don't diagree with Hated claiming) there is no purpose to them.

Thoughts on Alabaska?

why don't you think there are more vote-related roles

I think everyone has one, in fact

Why do you think everyone has one?

[PantherPunt]

considering I've apparently spewed myself as not having one

[PantherPunt]

Ircher kill seems reasonable, scum on world one versus town on world two could mean that he could be read as town more easily. Will be interesting to read clumsy today. I don't know why people are discussing the voting mechanic so heavily; in fact panther's early jump on TTH is the closest thing to a scumtell I've seen today. Looks like a scum trying to start a wagon on the back of town brownie points from the first world then backing off when nothing came of it. Even though these are different worlds if people are not careful their reads will bleed over easily; people who were Very Town last world I think will be overrated (for lack of a better term) in this world.

Ya I backed off of it when exactly one other person had posted because they didn't jump all over the vote and I got a limp dick because nothing would come of it.

Or I just actually thought about it and decided it's better to judge off of posting than trying to read the mod and setup spec an alignment.

Your post has an agenda and it's the scummiest post I've seen no doubt.

VOTE: Alabaska

Nice OMGUS bro. Didn't you notice what I said in the post? It was the closest thing to a scumtell I had seen. There is a reason I didn't vote you in the post. And I don't see what is wrong with my logic at all, seeing how different people play in different roles can definitely give information that could lead to then being seen as more town than others. We have a scum meta right in front of us that we took part in. Would that not lead us to better at seeing him and clumsy as town if they are (confirmed in Ircher's case)? Not saying that it is a lock that scum used that logic but it makes sense to me. I'm honestly baffled how you could read my post and vote me claiming I had an agenda when you yourself made a post accusing someone of breadcrumbing a role that you theorized as more balanced in a this set up. You called out a fishy soft claim made in the first page and a half of this world and voted based on it, yet you claim I have an agenda when I call you out on it. Setup spec is one thing, calling that a soft claim and running with it is something else entirely. Clumsy has posted four times yes but nothing jumps out at the moment. My comment was more referencing how he might look over the entire day. A word by word analysis of his first few posts seems like overkill. And on top of this you follow up with pushing people for their read on me later below! Consistent with my analysis of your TTH push at the start. You were definitely not playing like this day one.

VOTE: PantherPunt

if you say "closest thing to a scumtell" and then say "looks like scum yada yada" then it's a scumread. I don't know why you're trying to soften it now and say you didn't REALLY scumread me but now you do.

I'm playing more aggressively than I did day 1. Is that the entire basis of your vote? you did that thing where you just list off a whole bunch of things that I did (which I call a play-by-play recap) but you didn't say why any of it was an indication of scum motivation. so I ask, am I scum because I'm different? am I scum because I called you scum? or am I scum because of something you didn't cover?

[PantherPunt]

I would probably have kept quiet about it if my modifier stayed in LYLO but it doesn't so I feel like it's essentially a filler role.
I've had this role once before and I crumbed it in almost the exact same way and nothing horrible happened as a result. I'm also someone who outed as an IC on my first post so maybe I am a tad impulsive but I don't think what I did was badly negative EV.

It just ruins it's potential to help in wagon analysis if you are in fact town. Now that both vote mechanic roles are outed (I don't diagree with Hated claiming) there is no purpose to them.

Thoughts on Alabaska?

why don't you think there are more vote-related roles

I think everyone has one, in fact

Why do you think everyone has one?

.

[PantherPunt]

So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?

Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.

The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.

Ya but if scum got roles of Hated and XYZ then that's fucking horrible

I mean maybe we're all just meh nerf roles but last time scum had a Commuter and a 2-Shot Ninja Encryptor.

They aren't getting one anti-scum role + something else imho

[PantherPunt]

So, we have a dead Town Double Voter. Doesn't that at least suggest that McMenno, who is hated, town?

Thats not how it works.
If Mcmenno voting mechanic works so that he was hated in LYLO, then mechanically, yes. He would have to be town.
It doesn't.

The voting modifiers are fluff if they don't work in LYLO. So they can be town, scum, neutral, w/e.

I wasn't talking about in LyLo. I was thinking more along the lines of D1.

Ircher was a double voter, when it takes 5 to lynch (4 for hated). If McMenno is hated, and he's scum, Ircher alone would have controlled half the votes that it would have taken to lynch McMenno.

That would have been very powerful with only a 2-person scum group.

Not really, especially since people who are hated are usually townread for the fact they are hated.
Mechanically it would hurt scum, but since Mcmenno can have various other powerful aspects of his role, for instance lets say he was a 1 Shot Day Vig Hated Mafia, then you wouldn't say "Ohh scum are so weak" you would just think its swingy/weird.

did't consider that the role could have another componenet

I just think the way that McMenno outed it didn't feel scum motivated. felt loose and free and whatnot.

like I said I'm goign to make myself make reads off of posting and not trying to read the mod bc I've seen town burn themselves on that before.

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Panther, I think I'm town reading you again...

Should I be concerned?

only if you're scum

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Wrecked by work and the weekend is usually shit for me in terms of activity, let alone holiday weekend. But I'll try to stoke something if I manage to catch live interaction with anyone over the weekend.

Am in favor of TTH getting some votes. TTH Alabaska wagons sound nice

my secret skeeve out right now is lilith. and I'm of the opinoin lilith/alabaska is not scum/scum so I'd like to see a lot more out of both of those slots. the townie amongst you shouldn't have trouble showing me it

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Got a prod. It was a holiday weekend. See you tomorrow

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I'm clearing Clumsy for that test the loved claim idea.

Will hopefully be able to give this proper attention tomorrow. Just saw that and wanted to vocalize that it's towny as shit

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VOTE: telltaleheart

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that's 3 votes. 5 to lynch. need 2 more to verify loved

basically, if she's lynched she was lying and must be scum. but she doesn't seem too worried.

which means her loved claim is true and it means absolutely nothing with regard to her alignment in this particular game

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Alabaska J, TellTaleHeart
lilith2013
Fire Assassin

McMenno
Clumsy
xkfyu with slight paranoia he's pocketing me hard

bottom group needs more looks
lilith
TTH
FA
Alabaska

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pardon the 4 names at the top. I c/p'd a vote count and made an order and didn't delete my leftover maybescumz group from the initial top part

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Hammer imo

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I feel pretty good about it being alabaska and one of tth/fire

Xkf and Lilith could be people I'm overlooking

Clumsy and mcmenno should never be lynched and id like others to agree with that

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I think we should confirm TTHs love status.
I also have a recent townread of Lilith.

But I am also still apatehtic to this game.
Someone light my fire for me.

So how about Alabaska?

I am not willing to lynch myself obviously or Lilith.
Would like to lynch TTH but I think thats unlikely to happen.

VOTE: Alabaska

Can you give me reasons for your lilith townread like xkfyu just did for his read on me?

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we have 2 mislynches

I honestly think lynching through
lilith
TTH
FA
Alabaska

just wins the game. we can win quicker if those who are town made it a bit more apparent. or if the scum want to do so I'm cool with that too

but feels like it's gg already

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oh wait, the 2nd mislynch would put us at 2v2. so disregard that. I have to clear one of those people in that list of 4

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oh wait, the 2nd mislynch would put us at 2v2. so disregard that. I have to clear one of those people in that list of 4

I am self clearing.

cool. talk to me about lilith though

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back sorry guess I should formally declare v/la on weekends or whatever. seems like we may have lynched?

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If you read me and alabaska and think I'm the partner you're dumb or scum so go ahead and claim one or the other

I was just completely afk when the wagon became legit. Game was a slog

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Ok by the looks of it clumsy is town

Xkf potentially too nice and too passive and too easy to town read me. So paranoia he was going for a little buddying/pocket was probably right

Vig can claim btw. You're done shooting bc if we mislynch and you misfire it's game over.

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Double sweep is cool and also boring

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Kinda rooting against it oddly

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Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

When I read this again idk why you say surely to either of them at the time

Why surely Lilith

Why surely FA

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Really? I figured it would have been the other way around.

Wait what

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Slightly struggling with believing clumsy believed that

Mcmenno was universally townread. Why is the vig ever shooting there

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Clumsy sounding horrible

Lilith sounding horrible

Xkf sounding horrible

Jesus

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I'll reread this world 2 stuff Monday and deliver the victory. Just sit tight

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Fire did you shoot ircher n0 or did you not have a shot?

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No. Right now, I need vig to step up and claim. Right now.

Ok by the looks of it clumsy is town

Xkf potentially too nice and too passive and too easy to town read me. So paranoia he was going for a little buddying/pocket was probably right

Vig can claim btw. You're done shooting bc if we mislynch and you misfire it's game over.

I thought Clumsy was town because I thought his post above was an indication that he had some type of investigative result. Saying he needed the vig to claim bc he tracked someone to a kill or something

seems like he was just calling for a claim??

and he thought that mcmenno was vigged which blows my mind to be considered a real thought.

after my reread, I think I got there on lilith bc of a couple of posts. but not like she's incapable of making good posts. the sheer lack of posting in this game is killing ability to solve. alabaska basically didn't say shit about anyone but me.

I'm sitting here thinking I'm lynching between clumsy and xk with a leaning toward xk because upon reread, he has 0 solvey posts. no questions about others' posts. no suspicions or scumreads really. he laid out a big explanation as to why he townread me and everything else he posted seemed like commentary

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There was a reason for it Panther, but unfortunately nothing came of it. :/

can you share now that it's run its course?

would like to know the thought process you had

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Better reads than you?
Based on what?

I shot a town player.

Honestly, it was a good shot. You probably saved us a mislynch.

it's key bc it got us to the proper odd number. that it was tth is beneficial due to the fact that nobody had a town read there. fine kill

@FA please please please don't try to be a hero if we mislynch here. let it go to f3 rather than shooting and risking the loss. bc at rand you lose the game 67% of the time.
please acknowledge

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spicy spicy

so clumsy votes back

lilith, FA, and myself have a little discussion and choice to make. the more posts we get out of xkfyu and clumsy the better.

@xkfyu what do you have to say about my observation that you don't seem to have made any solvey posts this whole world 2 game?

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If it's only Fire that's claiming it, then I'm fine with following him on votes. I think he has a better read on the game than I do. Please make sure to give us follow up reads though, in case scum off you after.

this post pinged me

he has generally be low solve level similarly to xkfyu

the post at d1 start where he said he thought it was a scum kill bc if it was a vig kill then scum would have had to have been blocked/doctored or just not submitted a kill oddly left out the possibility that there was an overlapped shot
and that could be due to the fact that he knew it was the actual scum kill so he had that in his mind

and alabaska treated him oddly. he lolexplained the thought process behind the night 0 kill because ircher would be easy to distinguish as town this game juxtaposed with his scum game in world 1. then said it'll be interesting to see how clumsy posts. but clumsy had already started posting to that point and when I questioned him he said he had no read yet and then didn't revisit the subject again

do you have any posts that you think were particularly town indicative?

the rock and hard place is I don't have town posts for him or for xkfyu that are helpful. for lilith I do

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that post pinged me bc you said "between panther and xkf" and if xkf happens to be town he has his two mislynches lined up for the game so deferring to you is just the easy road there. so why not take it

and saying you have a better read on the game, as you mentioned, is baseless. so it sounds like fluff farse bs to justify why he's just following the reads you laid out

then he asks for follow up reads "in case scum off you" which pings me as well. bc why put it like that? if fire is considered confirmed town then of course he's not going to be brought to an f3 should the game go on
and asking for follow up reads rings hollow. you just laid out your reads. what follow up?

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There was a reason for it Panther, but unfortunately nothing came of it. :/

can you share now that it's run its course?

would like to know the thought process you had

I will if I have to, but I'd rather not at this time. Might be important later.

This is a really annoying answer. More annoying than fixing your broken quotes.

It's possible that there is a reason and that it's somehow better to withhold at this time. But I can't imagine what.

ffs TTH outright claimed in a spot I consider to be very anti-town and it actually worked out well. and the discussion around it bore fruit.

if you're not lynched here, I need as much info as possible going into night

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watch it be lilith

flashes of towniness from both xk and clumsy

still probably leaning toward lynching xk

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so question that's probably for the mod but moreso just looking for what the site meta here is

say we mislynch today and somehow nobody dies tonight

tomorrow we are in f4

we mislynch

at that point game is still not over bc it hinges on vig shooting correctly when we go to night with 3 still alive

answered my own question by writing it out I think

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though I can't see us mislynching twice. but if it is lilith, she's currently 3rd in that poe. so it gives me some outside chance hope that if it's her this isn't a lost cause even if we just speed lynch this to endgame

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VOTE: xkfyu

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yall suck

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I pegged Alabaska right out of the gate of the game if you read the posts. lilith voted with me shortly therafter.

then I made a push on TTH that really didn't leave me feeling like it was where I was going to end up voting. then I was gone. if I had checked in when there was the slightest sniff of momentum against Alabaska I would have been ramming it down everyone's throats

being "off wagon" is a product of timing and if you can't apply context to that, you're bad or pushing an agenda

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I mean, Panther pointed out he was away for the entire weekend leading up to the lynch, so he physically wasn't present to move his vote to alabaska. If anything, Xk's vote is the most suspicious because I never moved my vote away from alabaska,

and you didn't need to hammer if you were scumbuddies

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I staunchly disagree with the emphasized. If the writing is on the wall and it doesn't look like there's a viable counterwagon, I hammer my buddy every single time

what are Alabaska's partners other options really other than to bus him when the game was stagnated and there was a move toward thread consensus to just lynch and move on. the fact that it was on alabaska warms my steely heart bc I like being right

along those same lines, xkf can put that L-2 vote when he sees the thread dead and likely going that way

bottom line I think we win this game with xkf > clumsy lynches but obviously with my vote where it stands I expect the game to end on xk lynch

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if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.

and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.

this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.

so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.

when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion

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if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.

and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.

this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.

so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.

when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion

Panther, please direct me to where in post 881 I say that it's a scum point. If you can't, then this article may be relevant.

In post 881 I posted a string of facts without any indication as to whether I thought it was scummy for it to be that way or not and asked another player their thoughts on that string of facts. You were not the only one I mentioned in that post. I think the only thing you could argue had any kind of alignment pushing to it is me saying that I was the one who hammered, but that's not what you were drawn to. You're immediately assuming that I'm pushing an agenda because I'm raising scum points against you that you don't agree with, when

I said nothing about it being scum indicative.

1) I'm aware you didn't EXPLICITLY award me a scum point in that post
2) I acknowledged that the point of that post may be NOTHING AT ALL and rather serve as a vehicle for you to ORGANIZE YOUR THOUGHTS
3) SUBTEXT IS A THING and when you read that post, the subtext is there that you are calling me into question for a variety of points

So what do you actually think? You appear to be now clarifying that you were only providing a recap of what happened, seemingly to better organize it in your mind so that you could analyze it later. Did you do that? What have you got for us?

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Xkfyu 3 days 1 hour

@mod xkfyu due for a prod I'd say

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Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

Didn't leave your check clearly here if you were to survive the day and be killed at night.
When I read this again idk why you say surely to either of them at the time

Why surely Lilith

Why surely FA

Because of their placement on the wagon. Lilith never moved off Alabaska, and FA was the one mostly responsible for the lynch.

And why would you check the person you deemed to have been mostly responsible for the scum lynch?

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Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

Didn't leave your check clearly here if you were to survive the day and be killed at night.

Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

When I read this again idk why you say surely to either of them at the time

Why surely Lilith

Why surely FA

Because of their placement on the wagon. Lilith never moved off Alabaska, and FA was the one mostly responsible for the lynch.

And why would you check the person you deemed to have been mostly responsible for the scum lynch?

EBWOP. had my commentary embedded in quoted post accidentally

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Leaning toward not believing the claim.

Regardless, if the claim is true, you're likely of no use unless we have no death n2 which forces a n3.

If we don't lynch you, you'll certainly not die tonight, bc you're scum or there'll be some ambiguity around you and you have no Night Action n2 (so if that's the actual case, I hope you're lying and you're even night )

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Didn't leave your check clearly here if you were to survive the day and be killed at night.

I had originally meant to spread it out, and say that FA was town, in multiple posts, over the course of the entire game day.

But when FA claimed Vig, there was no reason to continue with it.

as a cop-
regardless of whether or not this was your plan, you blew it all to shit by saying "surely lilith and FA are town"

because you included two player names that could be interpreted as peeks alongside the word surely.

I think you give it more thought if you're actually a cop.

so you're probably just mafia. we are lynching you. gg either way

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Surely Lilith and FA are town here.

So, it has to be between Panther and Clumsy.

This is something a cop says who has two living peeks. Not 1. and you aren't a full cop who got a n0

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and last night was n3. meaning the "n0" I mistakenly said was actually n2.

in multiple world game like this where it's blended into one thread with an ongoing day/night count, I have a hard time seeing odd/even night modifiers. will have to look for all the roles revealed so far.

bc depending on when a faction is eliminated in game 1, it can swing the balance of the game greatly by allowing you, as odd night, to come into world 2 with a peek that effectively serves as a n0.

like imagine we had one mislynch on earth 1 and it was actually n3 where we came to this world, xkfyu getting what's effectively a n0 peek is kinda huge

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looks like a golden sweep. 4 game days 4 scum lynches

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I just reread world 1 roles and feel like there has to be some degree of investigative role

So I don't think anyone should hammer until everyone has at least come back and confirmed to have read xkfyu's claim

In case there happens to be some kind of counter

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thanks for the game

thanks all for making it a good, albeit often dead, environment