So original. XD
VOTE: Mcmenno
D&D tonight, will be able to actually post tomorrow.
So original. XD
In post 54, Xkfyu wrote:All of this "The best way to find scum is to find differences in people's play between the two Earths" talk is nonsense.
You mean you didn't do this in the last game? I know I wasn't very effective for town in Earth 2, but I thought that it was a good idea in that game. Do you think we should discard that completely? Or what?In post 64, lilith2013 wrote:I disagree with Xk and FA wholeheartedly. Switching between games is to our advantage, and part of that is because from my own experience, being scum in one game and knowing who is town lets me compare the two games to each other, and it's not so much about playstyle as it is having more of an idea of their motivations in both games.
That didn't really articulate what I wanted to say, but close enough.
In post 150, Fire Assassin wrote:It implies that the dialog between the two should be interpreted as both are town, when thats not how I read it either. I got TTH town more than anything from Alabaska, and I would assume anyone who was reading that would get a similar assumption if they were trying to understand and read into them. He just assumes both should be read as town or something?In post 147, lilith2013 wrote:What don't you like about it?In post 128, Fire Assassin wrote:Don't like this post.In post 124, Clumsy wrote:So you think TTH is town because of the dialog with Alabaska, but not Alabaska? What's the reason behind it?
It was odd.
So you're saying that trying to follow someone's reasoning and understanding their thought process is bad because I agree with them? Just because I hold a similar opinion does not mean that person is automatically town. I'm not going to tip my hand first when questioning.In post 163, Fire Assassin wrote:So what kind of reasoning were you hoping to find?In post 155, Clumsy wrote:I purposefully left my opinion out of it. I'm not saying I think Alabaska is town, I'm actually agreeing with you here that I like TTH for town more than Alabaska for the moment. The only assumption being made is the one you made. I can see how it comes off that way though, but no. Just asking for reasoning.
If you came to same conclusions, what was the point of the question.
In before this was a reaction test.
You got to same conclusions that person got, but you questioned why he didn't get to Alabaska as town, even though you didn't get any of that yourself.
It sounds like bad questioning at best and scum trying to lk busy at worst.
I don't think I agree with that. It's not about the read being the same, but the reason, especially depending on your read on the person agreeing with you. Scum knows who town is. If they can't come up with a good reason on their reads, that's a red flag. It may seem fluffy to you, but that's how I'm trying to figure things out on page... eight now? We haven't had a whole lot of interaction yet.In post 177, Fire Assassin wrote:No I am saying theres no reason to question someone if you agree with them on something unless you believe they are just forcing that agreement on you.In post 176, Clumsy wrote:So you're saying that trying to follow someone's reasoning and understanding their thought process is bad because I agree with them? Just because I hold a similar opinion does not mean that person is automatically town. I'm not going to tip my hand first when questioning.
In post 599, TellTaleHeart wrote:I did react? o.O
In post 589, Fire Assassin wrote:Probably because me and TTH both rolled scum in this round.In post 588, Clumsy wrote:Any ideas on why Ircher was killed? He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.
In post 593, TellTaleHeart wrote:Of course they wouldn't kill me.In post 588, Clumsy wrote:He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.
I'm loved. <3
What is this about?TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm pretty concerned you're calling me scum here, Fire.
Fun challenge for you because I'm going to bed now: if you don't know why by the time I wake up, I'm voting you. :3
In post 593, TellTaleHeart wrote:Of course they wouldn't kill me.In post 588, Clumsy wrote:He's usually at least somewhat scumread, so I don't see why scum wouldn't leave that and take out someone like TTH or FA for example. Seems odd to me.
I'm loved. <3
It wasn't a very subtle soft, but I tried to play along with it in case not everyone got it.In post 594, Clumsy wrote:I do enjoy playing with you TTH, so I can attest to agreeing with that.
In post 721, McMenno wrote:not a lot, honestlyIn post 717, Clumsy wrote:What's changed since the last time you posted to now to make you okay with voting Panther?
can you share now that it's run its course?In post 848, Clumsy wrote:There was a reason for it Panther, but unfortunately nothing came of it. :/
Xkfyu wrote:What the hell?In post 829, Clumsy wrote:I mean if they didn't want to claim (which they should) then the real vigi (if it's not you) would just shoot you in the night and in the meantime, we lynch outside of you today.
If FA is fake claiming, then the real Vig claims, and we lynch FA today and win the game.
In post 849, PantherPunt wrote:
Which is why I put "(which they should)", but I can't speak to everyone's thought processes and decisions. I agree that it would be best if FA was fake claiming, the real vig should claim. But no one did. So that put me at either Fire is telling the truth and confirmed town, or the situation above. Why do I get the feeling you're looking for ways to make my posts look bad?
Think I'll have one more post incoming.
In post 617, PantherPunt wrote:Ya I backed off of it when exactly one other person had posted because they didn't jump all over the vote and I got a limp dick because nothing would come of it.In post 615, Alabaska J wrote:Ircher kill seems reasonable, scum on world one versus town on world two could mean that he could be read as town more easily. Will be interesting to read clumsy today. I don't know why people are discussing the voting mechanic so heavily; in fact panther's early jump on TTH is the closest thing to a scumtell I've seen today. Looks like a scum trying to start a wagon on the back of town brownie points from the first world then backing off when nothing came of it. Even though these are different worlds if people are not careful their reads will bleed over easily; people who were Very Town last world I think will be overrated (for lack of a better term) in this world.
Or I just actually thought about it and decided it's better to judge off of posting than trying to read the mod and setup spec an alignment.
Your post has an agenda and it's the scummiest post I've seen no doubt.
VOTE: Alabaska
In post 619, PantherPunt wrote:Btw Alabaska, if you are scum, the correct strat there is to SPK. I take it that Ircher isn't widely considered a strong town player so that was a bit of a whiff but I get the logic a little bit if that is the logic you used.
In post 624, PantherPunt wrote:It just ruins it's potential to help in wagon analysis if you are in fact town. Now that both vote mechanic roles are outed (I don't diagree with Hated claiming) there is no purpose to them.In post 623, TellTaleHeart wrote:I would probably have kept quiet about it if my modifier stayed in LYLO but it doesn't so I feel like it's essentially a filler role.
I've had this role once before and I crumbed it in almost the exact same way and nothing horrible happened as a result. I'm also someone who outed as an IC on my first post so maybe I am a tad impulsive but I don't think what I did was badly negative EV.
Thoughts on Alabaska?
In post 806, SirCakez wrote:
-_- Really?In post 883, PantherPunt wrote:I pegged Alabaska right out of the gate of the game if you read the posts. lilith voted with me shortly therafter.
then I made a push on TTH that really didn't leave me feeling like it was where I was going to end up voting. then I was gone. if I had checked in when there was the slightest sniff of momentum against Alabaska I would have been ramming it down everyone's throats
being "off wagon" is a product of timing and if you can't apply context to that, you're bad or pushing an agenda
I was simply making an observation about where votes were at the time of that vote count. I said I hadn't looked at what exactly was going on at the time that those votes were cast. Why are you jumping on calling me bad or pushing an agenda when it was very clear that these were observations and that I hadn't gone back yet? It seems overly defensive and jumpy to me.In post 881, Clumsy wrote: Alabaska, confirmed scum, was voting against Panther. Panther was off the main wagon and was on TTH, who was town. McMenno, town, was on Panther.
Lillith was first on Alabaska wagon, Xk was in the middle, and I hammered.I'm gonna have to go back and look at what pushed those votes, but I'm at work. Will do tonight.
Lillith, thoughts on the above?
In post 886, PantherPunt wrote:if you're using "being off wagon" as a scum point without other context, yes, you are bad.
and yes I've come out of the gate going at my partner. you are correct that it is an objective possiblity in the realm of potential things that can happen in the game of mafia. in fact, I just did it recently in a game on another site.
this game hinges on reading written words in part to determine genuinness. it's up to the uniformed player to make a determination on whether they believe something to be genuine/real or faked/theatrically agenda-driven.
so if you had to give a play by play of the votes to organize your thoughts, that's fine. if you're using a play by play of the votes to justify your reads, that's not fine.
when you've gone and read for context to make judgement on my interactions with alabaska, I look forward to your justification of your conclusion