Micro 648: Mystery Box Mafia - 't is gedaan!

[House]

VOTE: Flames682

Because copy/paste is a thing and his reason for voting is bullshit.

[House]

Also, how is NJAC easier than a common word?

VOTE: Flames682

Just because.

[House]

4 letters vs 5 letters duh

Autocomplete duh.

[House]

What Ryan means is that this wagon needs two more votes for it to become legit.

[House]

4 letters vs 5 letters duh

Autocomplete duh.

Turned it off cause it was so annoying (really I hate it).

Copy/paste is still a thing.

[House]

4 letters vs 5 letters duh

Autocomplete duh.

Turned it off cause it was so annoying (really I hate it).

Copy/paste is still a thing.

True but I didn't care enough

Your premise is still incorrect because:

Long press - copy, Long press -paste

is still less clicks than

Caps Lock - N - J - A - C

especially if caps lock requires two clicks on the shift key like mine does.

If your caps lock requires two clicks, NJAC and I are equally "easy", and RyanK only slightly harder (easier than NJAC if you shorten it to Ryan, in fact).

[House]

ngl house this is why i love you as a player

<3 Giggles

[House]

Oh, this started.

VOTE: RyanK

You misspelled Flames.

[House]

Oh, this started.

VOTE: RyanK

You misspelled Flames.

Agreed; quicklynch day 1?

Page 1.

[House]

Oops, too late.

[House]

Oh, this started.

VOTE: RyanK

You misspelled Flames.

It was faster to type.

I think House is town because he's so eager.

Maybe I'm just a murderous bastard.

[House]

^ That's hella town.

[House]

If you don't mind some advice, the best way to avoid getting mislynched is to not worry so much about your appearances.

Hunt scum and trust town to recognize their own.

[House]

Now we're coming with fire!

[House]

Now we're cooking with fire!

EBWOP lmao

[House]

Scum claiming ascetic is usually a terrible idea whether they are really ascetic or not, so I'm inclined to townread Guilty for that alone.

I disagree.

Scum have nothing to lose by claiming ascetic. It's not like it paints a target on their head for investigative roles since... investigatives don't get results.

What makes you think it's so town when there's no downside to claiming it?

[House]

Even though there's a risk of being checked

, scum could take that risk.

If the claim is true, what's the risk?

[House]

Yeah but my brain saw 4 letters and thought whatever

Also you're right the reason was bs cause I couldn't think of anything creative

VOTE: flames

Lynch all Liars.

He lied about his bullshit madeup reason in his first post.

Annnnnnd we have a lolhammer!

[House]

*crosses fingers for epic p3 scum flip*

[House]

I've actually been kicking the claim around, and I can see pro-town motivation that hasn't been mentioned so I'm willing to take the claim at face value and read Guilty town for now.

[House]

I think Maruchan is town even for that hammer, he's trying to get in useful thoughts before threadlock

Why aren't you?

Any other reads? This is the time.

[House]

Oh duh, that's Flames that got hammered.

Brain fart.

[House]

it would've been helpful to get more out of this day

Obvious statement of the thread award.

[House]

gigaByte I can see either way, the townread of me is a little too easy but the posting feels relatively genuine on first read

I was inclined to agree with your opinion of the easy townread until I thought something else.

If she's thinking what I'm thinking she's thinking, then i think her thought is town.

I think.

[House]

final twilight reads:

town: {House, Maruchan, Expedience}
meh: {gigabyte, RyanK}
scum: {NJAC}

i'll be around for any other qs before threadlock

Talk to me about NJAC please.

[House]

@House - His questions feel leading

Not seeing this, maybe just awkward wording?

[House]

his vote on Not_Mafia was in fact useless,

An RVS vote was useless?

Say it ain't so!

[House]

The way he casually says "I don't like the wagon on Flames" without explaining why or pushing on people who voted Flames looks like scum WK-ing a mislynch.

This is worth looking into tomorrow.

[House]

like Not_Mafia is not a player who will alignment-tell based off of an RVS vote on him. The fact that NJAC tried to use "meta" to justify that as a reason to vote him doesn't make sense.

Idk, I'd listen when experience speaks.

If he IS town, you might learn something. Worth seeking clarification before casting judgment at any rate.

[House]

I am currently ascetic

Why exactly do you think it's a good idea to reveal that info this early?

NJAC why are you voting someone who hasn't posted yet

Partly RVS, partly Meta. Do you think I should vote someone different?

Scum claiming ascetic is usually a terrible idea whether they are really ascetic or not

Why exactly is that a terrible idea in this setup?

These questions. "Why exactly" is just an altogether scummy phrase in general IMO.

Yes, I automatically start to suspect people who RVS vote when there's already wagons and discussion happening. Instead of taking a stance either way on Flames (or even RyanK, the possible counterwagon), NJAC just votes a slot that hasn't posted yet. It's safe and not-productive.

Looks reachy.

[House]

I mean, it IS three pages, lol...

[House]

Was*

[House]

What was it you thought we saw about Guilty earlier?

Where? It's been a couple days and I barely remember breakfast.

[House]

gigaByte I can see either way, the townread of me is a little too easy but the posting feels relatively genuine on first read

I was inclined to agree with your opinion of the easy townread until I thought something else.

If she's thinking what I'm thinking she's thinking, then i think her thought is town.

I think.

If you're referring to this, I was thinking that Ascetic is an awesome fake claim for PGO, in that it deters town PR's from wasting their ability while also fishing the NK because ascetic is often a modifier for powerful roles.

[House]

What is NU???

[House]

it just seems like incorrect play to do though

Don't get stuck on correct/incorrect play.

Town always assumed optimal play from scum, but scum has flexibility to deviate so there is value in doing so.

[House]

Assumes*

[House]

Exhibit A: would you claim mason as scum?

I did. And won because of it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68502

[House]

Not from me, sleep tight!

[House]

RVS makes me want to lurk and makes it harder to engage with the game later

29 was kinda LAMIST, but I'm not scumreading you for it. I'm looking forward to your contributions.

[House]

Although I'm hoping to see more engagement than yesterDay.

[House]

I guess because Maruchan looked town? He didn't do anything else, but he was my strongest town read.

If you didn't tell anyone else that he was your strongest town read, how is it supposed to affect the night kill? Also, why did you even think he was town?

None of this is productive. Can we move along please?

Like, for example... it's a brand new day and there is scum out there to find. Why are you asking Expedience about the night kill and his read of conftown?

[House]

RVS makes me want to lurk and makes it harder to engage with the game later

Why did you disappear after post 31 until toDay?

[House]

The way he casually says "I don't like the wagon on Flames" without explaining why or pushing on people who voted Flames looks like scum WK-ing a mislynch.

This is worth looking into tomorrow.

VOTE: NJAC

[House]

Just would like to know why did he even think he was town before the flip.

It's not really that hard to imagine where a townread would come from.

[House]

Also I don't like the current wagon on Flames

, and am waiting for the responses from Expedience to decide if Ryank wagon is a good one.

[House]

RVS makes me want to lurk and makes it harder to engage with the game later

Why did you disappear after post 31 until toDay?

I was busy / sleeping irl, I wasn't lurking.

Holy CRAP yesterDay was short!

Yeah, sorry about that question, rather derp.

[House]

VOTE: NJAC
L-1

UNVOTE:

Did you learn nothing from yesterDay?

[House]

For all intents and purposes, my vote is on NJAC.

[House]

VOTE: NJAC
L-1

UNVOTE:

Did you learn nothing from yesterDay?

Do you really think another Maruchuan would come along?

I didn't think the last one would, so... it's entirely possible!

[House]

VOTE: RyanK

Reasonable post from Guilty, I can sheep here for now.

[House]

I'm not saying he's definitely scum, he could just be cagey, but he's definitely giving the most scummy pings so far relative to the other posts, especially given a town!Flames

I've played with Not_Mafia a lot. I have experience with him myself. The idea that he'd react in a significant way to a lone RVS vote is a joke.

NJAC presented a good question, made me revisit Guilty's ISO where i found this.

Guilty, why didn't you investigate NJAC if you were suspicious of him?

[House]

I can see Ryan being a relatively new player not knowing to claim ascetic day 1. Doesn't make me want to townread him, of course, but I don't see this as a cop guilty.

Why are you conjecturing instead of letting Ryank explain?

i got jumpy, still trying to learn when to shut up

ryan is kind of an oddity to me right now and i wanted him to answer my question before we started lynching him. i wanted to make it clear that i don't think guilty has a guilty on him and the way the vote was placed made it seem like one, so piling on votes because of an interesting result might not be the smartest move.

It's not like he was going to be speedlynched in less than a day.

Let shit play out.

[House]

So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.

Why does getting "Vanilla/Not Vanilla" results as well as being untargetable

for anything except kills

make it a desirable role?

You're a sitting duck for the night kill, and your results don't serve any realistic purpose in a role madness game.

[House]

I'm going to swap my role so I won't be ascetic.

We're you ascetic last night or no?

[House]

I'm going to swap my role so I won't be ascetic.

Were you ascetic last night or no?

EBWOP

[House]

So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.

Why does getting "Vanilla/Not Vanilla" results as well as being untargetable

for anything except kills

make it a desirable role?

You're a sitting duck for the night kill, and your results don't serve any realistic purpose in a role madness game.

Still waiting on a response to this.

[House]

I'm not sure if I was ascetic. Here's the situation. I was hated before I changed my role in the night. After I changed my role, I was ascetic.

I can buy that.

[House]

He's the towniest town that ever fucking towned and I'm wondering what your smoking.

His thought process flows smoothly and I can follow his trajectory.

You, by comparison, are all over the place... were it not for that ridiculously fast d1 I'd already be voting you but there is no way town can afford another turbo lynch.

[House]

So, he's your top town read, eh? What exactly makes him your top town read?

Already answered. Dude has made some good pushes and I like his reasoning.

[House]

Do you have any problem understanding my thought process? Can't you follow my trajectory?

Yes.

No.

[House]

If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?

I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.

[House]

Okay champ. That's totally what I said.

[House]

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

[House]

I'm finding House's D2 play to be vaguely scummy, and NJAC scummier still

VOTE: NJAC

Plan on clarifying on your read of me, or are you just going to leave it as a vague accusation?

[House]

House isn't claiming at L-1 with intent, either.

If you people want to derp lynch me, you can learn about my role from the mod because I'm dead anyway so I refuse to reward town after being so stupid.

[House]

Not really.

[House]

Not sure, he is a townread though.

I don't get why you're townreading me but unable to say why.

It almost looks like you want to position yourself for an "I told you so" post after I flip.

[House]

If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?

I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because only idiots and scum interfere with scumhunting.

I wonder which one you are.

[House]

FTFY

" [discredit] nice scumclaim ✔ ✔ "

...try using preview.

My read on House is gut =[

Also I changed my mind about NJAC, literally my entire problem with him is playstyle.

VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

You think NJAC scumclaim, but vote Giggles?

What even the fuck?

[House]

A lot of words saying nothing, they make zero stances.

This isn't nearly as convincing as a reason to vote someone as the belief of a scum claim.

I don't get it.

[House]

RyanK, is there anybody in this game that you haven't voted?

[House]

Anyway, my last gift to town is to recommend that you lynch Expedience for that shade as fuck townread on me once you finish derplynching me, but I doubt you'll even pull your heads out of your asses to do that so... whatever.

[House]

...
Because only idiots and scum interfere with scumhunting.

I wonder which one you are.

Why is interfering with scumhunting so bad that only idiots do it?

The fact you asked that question answered mine.

[House]

Lol.

[House]

If you're gonna lynch me, quote pussyfooting around and do it.

[House]

If you're gonna lynch me, quit pussyfooting around and do it.

EBWOP

[House]

...
You (NJAC), by comparison, are all over the place... were it not for that ridiculously fast d1 I'd already be voting you but there is no way town can afford another turbo lynch.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I can't take anything you post seriously, dude.

[House]

Giggles can read me Ryan. She doesn't need your oh so expert advice.

[House]

house can we talk a little bit about expedience more? Why is he scum now? I don't see anything wrong with having a gutread on D2 after a lolhammer. I've honestly had gutreads for much longer...

Based on what exactly? Huntress have to be fueled by something or they're either a blind guess or an informed read.

[House]

house can we talk a little bit about expedience more? Why is he scum now? I don't see anything wrong with having a gutread on D2 after a lolhammer. I've honestly had gutreads for much longer...

Based on what exactly? Gut reads have to be fueled by something or they're either a blind guess or an informed read.

EBWOP

[House]

I think House is town because he's so eager.

He also was in Biology with you, so I assumed that that had some impact on his gutread on your eagerness.

Where do you get that assumption?

[House]

EBWOP:

...
Hunt scum and trust town to recognize their own.

So, House, hunting scum is good, but...

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because only idiots and scum interfere with scumhunting.

I wonder which one you are.

...scumhunting is not good.

If anybody else can comprehend the logic in this post, please explain it to me.

[House]

EBWOP:

...
Hunt scum and trust town to recognize their own.

So, House, hunting scum is good, but...

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because only idiots and scum interfere with scumhunting.

I wonder which one you are.

...scumhunting is not good.

If anybody else can comprehend the logic in this post, please explain it to me.

He misinterpreted the way "with" was being used in the second quote as something like "because only idiots interfere by scumhunting"

How did he interpret it?

[House]

I interpreted it as helping to scumhunt is what idiots and scum do. Anyway, could you please seriously answer the question I asked rather than avoiding it with a joke reply?

Seriously? How could you possibly get that from me saying only idiots interfere???

[House]

...
Because only idiots and scum interfere with scumhunting.

I wonder which one you are.

Why is interfering with scumhunting so bad that only idiots do it?

Honestly, I'm doing both of us a favor by not giving this the response it deserves because I'd likely get banned and it wouldn't do your self-image any favors.

[House]

All right then. I'll ask another question instead.

Why is interfering with scumhunting so bad that only scum do it?

I'll ask a counter...

Define interfere.

[House]

Ryan thinks that you said that scumhunting constituted interfering with the game. You meant:

Only idiots intefere with scumhunting

But ryan saw:

Only idiots interfere by using scumhunting to obstruct other things

And this isn't even a particularly weird viewpoint, he asked you about it before and this is the culmination of his confusion

Because Ryan read the "with" differently, it's like:

i played chess with brandy

And you can actually see it two ways because Brandy can also be a (ghetto) name

Not sure how much clearer I can be

Also I think Ryan is town.

That's a twisted perspective. The statement is pretty clear or I'm sure Ryan wouldn't be the only one crowing about it.

I'm not calling him scum over it, I just couldn't conceive of the mindset behind his accusations.

I find it rather obvious why interfering with finding scum is either stupid or scummy.

[House]

Ryan. Please don't take this personally because it's truly not meant as being an insult in any way except maybe to myself.

I have difficulty trying to explain things that are blatantly obvious to me and always resort to inappropriate remarks that the other person does not deserve to receive.

As the meaning of my post seems to have been understood by others, I'm hoping one will be kind enough to explain it to you, as your likely perspective was so generously explained to me.

[House]

It's ok House. If you still remember from which game you learned it, and the game is over, can you post a link? If you can't, it's all right.

If you are trying to discern the alignment of Player A, and Player B gets in the way and hinders your efforts... are you likely to consider Player B scum?

[House]

Also House, why are you still voting Ryan? I think he's pretty clearly town, even if his play is a bit unconventional.

Haven't found a new home for it. I don't think he's likely to be speedlynched because of one vote.

[House]

Been pretty busy on other things, gonna refresh myself and figure out what's going on here.

[House]

So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.

I investigated RyanK and the action failed. I cannot be roleblocked, so I believe he is also ascetic, and he did not claim it.

VOTE: RyanK

Why did you decide to investigate him?

I'm not saying he's definitely scum, he could just be cagey, but he's definitely giving the most scummy pings so far relative to the other posts, especially given a town!Flames

I've played with Not_Mafia a lot. I have experience with him myself. The idea that he'd react in a significant way to a lone RVS vote is a joke.

NJAC presented a good question, made me revisit Guilty's ISO where i found this.

Guilty, why didn't you investigate NJAC if you were suspicious of him?

I don't investigate scumreads, I presume that they will be lynched without me needing night actions. In regular setups, it's also very awkward if you get a town result on a scumread as a cop to do a complete about-face on them the next day without giving away that you're investigative. So generally I investigate null reads, and in this game I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

This bugs me.

You seem to have zero interest in a player's alignment after you decide they are lynch-worthy, but there is also value in stopping mislynches because it narrows the PoE pool while also preventing a possible mislynch which allows you to build a team of confirmed town to take to end game or until you do get your guilty because scum don't kill likely mislynch candidates.

Undermining a lynch wagon on an inno without outing results is doable, and that feels like a scummy copout. Hell, even if you out the results, you can simply change out the role!

On top of that, ascetic is a really poor modifier for town because it prevents any sort of protective role from targeting you and leaves you open to the night kill, yet you are clinging onto it as a prize.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[House]

I think Maruchan is town even for that hammer, he's trying to get in useful thoughts before threadlock

actually I retract that, on closer inspection his posts afterwards aren't that useful

I don't understand why you wouldn't have investigated here if you were conflicted.

His hammer didn't make him an autolynch.

[House]

I was kinda hoping Not_Mafia would post because he normally recklessly approaches the Day1 hammer and I thought L-1'ing a scummy slot early would be a good way of reading him.

Why didn't you target NM, for that matter? He was obviously a concern of yours.

[House]

There's a reason I'm not claiming it that will become apparent if the time comes that it's actually a relevant role to have.

[House]

Nice BEETLEJUICE OMGUS btw.

[House]

I can tell you right now that NJAC is a VT, which is why I've been eyeballing you for a while.

[House]

So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.

Why does getting "Vanilla/Not Vanilla" results as well as being untargetable

for anything except kills

make it a desirable role?

You're a sitting duck for the night kill, and your results don't serve any realistic purpose in a role madness game.

[House]

Get your ass in here and tell us why you value ascetic so much.

[House]

I can see Ryan being a relatively new player not knowing to claim ascetic day 1. Doesn't make me want to townread him, of course, but I don't see this as a cop guilty.

Why are you conjecturing instead of letting Ryank explain?

i got jumpy, still trying to learn when to shut up

ryan is kind of an oddity to me right now and i wanted him to answer my question before we started lynching him. i wanted to make it clear that i don't think guilty has a guilty on him and the way the vote was placed made it seem like one, so piling on votes because of an interesting result might not be the smartest move.

It's not like he was going to be speedlynched in less than a day.

Let shit play out.

*cough*

[House]

You were pushing NJAC for loopy shit, so I wanted to give you a tasty wagon to see if you'd latch on and continue your assault.

There was no way he was getting lynched, though.

[House]

I can tell you right now that NJAC is a VT, which is why I've been eyeballing you for a while.

I don't believe this "result" at all, it's pretty obvious you're flailing now. You opened the day with this post:

For all intents and purposes, my vote is on NJAC.

Why would you say that if you got a VT-result on NJAC?

People overuse the shit out of flailing, lol.

I hate to break it to you champ, but it doesn't have the desired effect when you're lying.

[House]

Further, House embellishes/misreps when he says I "cling onto [being ascetic] as a prize". I claimed it D1 because I planned to use my investigate N1, and therefore wanted to make sure no one wasted night actions on me.

You also painted a massive target on your back.

Claiming PGO would have made a lot more sense and had the same effect of keeping town PR's away.

But you don't have to worry about the nk, do you?

[House]

Further, there are other reasons why only claiming your result now that you had serious attention and vote pressure is not how a town cop plays.

I don't have any pressure, idiot.

You severely overestimate yourself lol

[House]

Lol, typical scum maneuvering... Rage OMGUS once getting called out and pretend to ignore me.

[House]

1. When you started getting votes, you softed a valuable PR and also threw up AtE

Something I do neither of as scum.

2. You justified your vote on me with several misreps, particularly "you are clinging to ascetic" when that's bluntly not true. I traded my role already

Something you hadn't claimed yet expected me to divine... how, exactly?

And you claim I'm the one misrepping? Hypocrite!

3. You claiming to have a VT-result on NJAC is not reflected in your ISO from earlier today. It has scum motivation in both trying to save your ass and also creating WIFOM about NJAC's (the other primary scumspect) alignment.

I play safe as hell when I'm scum. I don't gambit, and I go after soft targets.

Expedience and Giga both know this.

Face it, you're caught.

[House]

and
4. "Why didn't you investigate [x]" and "Why did you keep your ascetic role" [which also, I had already explained] are not legitimate scum-hunting questions, they are busywork. This is the reason why I said a couple days ago that I found House's play to be vaguely scummy.

My posts this morning are why you thought I was scummy DAYS AGO?

[House]

Dude is getting desperate lol.

[House]

2. You justified your vote on me with several misreps, particularly "you are clinging to ascetic" when that's bluntly not true. I traded my role already

Something you hadn't claimed yet expected me to divine... how, exactly?

And you claim I'm the one misrepping? Hypocrite!

Since Guilty likes to cherry-pick.

[House]

House you're also claiming neapolitan, right? Why weren't you bothered by GuiltyLion claiming the same role as you?

It's role goofiness, and he has a different modifier.

[House]

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

This is a (pretty unfortunate) scumslip then.

Intent to check the VC before voting

Not really. I know what I got as my results. After I saw my results weren't what they were supposed to be, the mod admitted to an error.

[House]

@mod

Were there any errors on last night's results for any investigative roles in which the results returned were for a different investigative role?



That should allow the mod to answer without confirming who actually has what role.

[House]

UNVOTE: House

Even if he isn't lying about the error there are holes, though

Not when you take into consideration that my result was simply "Vanilla".

[House]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

[House]

Whatever.

I'm not up for bashing my head against the wall to explain obvious shit.

You wanna mislynch me because I'm not a proper little stereotypical townie? Whatever. But Expedience, you should know damned well there's nothing typical about my town game so you just have yourself to blame.

[House]

Only scum wouldn't want to reward the town, right?

Wrong. Pissed off town also has no interest in rewarding town for mislynch them.

[House]

Which means that earlier, you thought you would get vanilla only for town. Since that is the case, why did you push NJAC?

Already explained

Lrn2read

[House]

Is this the post where you explain it?

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

If it is, you should notice it doesn't answer the question.

You should notice that's obviously not the post I'm referring to.

Keep reading.

[House]

Nope.

[House]

I can see Ryan being a relatively new player not knowing to claim ascetic day 1. Doesn't make me want to townread him, of course, but I don't see this as a cop guilty.

Why are you conjecturing instead of letting Ryank explain?

i got jumpy, still trying to learn when to shut up

ryan is kind of an oddity to me right now and i wanted him to answer my question before we started lynching him. i wanted to make it clear that i don't think guilty has a guilty on him and the way the vote was placed made it seem like one, so piling on votes because of an interesting result might not be the smartest move.

It's not like he was going to be speedlynched in less than a day.

Let shit play out.

*cough*

You were pushing NJAC for loopy shit, so I wanted to give you a tasty wagon to see if you'd latch on and continue your assault.

There was no way he was getting lynched, though.

[House]

EBWOP: GuiltyLion, since you're a neapolitian, can you help to confirm House's and NJAC's claim that NJAC is scum?

Guilty swapped roles, supposedly.

[House]

...
yet you are clinging onto it as a prize.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

For clarification before I jump to conclusions, what did you mean, House?

Ascetic, a role modifier that prevents him from being protected but leaves him wide open for the night kill.

Strange thing to hang onto, imho... and for all the supposed risk he took, here he is with no results the next day but alive and kicking.

[House]

Especially since he claimed under pressure.

Partially

[House]

EBWOP: @House: Did you believe that GuiltyLion would have kept his role before he said he has changed his role?

How should I know?

[House]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

Okay, he's scum then lol

That was before I knew Neapolitan was a VT cop. I clarified with the mod after i was corrected about 209.

Duh.

[House]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

356. Liar.

[House]

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[House]

@House:

Would you like to share the corrected results? Judging by the result the mod gave you, he would have gave you vanilla results instead of whether NJAC is a VT.

The corrected phrasing told me NJAC was a town vanilla.

Yes, town vanilla. Not vanilla town.

[House]

You wanna mislynch me because I'm not a proper little stereotypical townie? Whatever. But Expedience, you should know damned well there's nothing typical about my town game so you just have yourself to blame.

Assuming that House is scum then this line makes Expedience conf-town, he's talking to Expedience as if he already knows Expedience is town

I'm talking to Expedience as if he has experience with my play, scum.

[House]

You don't want him to do that.

My posts bear out my claims.

[House]

whoever is town out of NJAC/gigabyte needs to shape up and vote scum!House

like, completely independently of the whole neapolitan claim/results deal, his AtE and misreps on me still speak volumes as to his alignment. Please reread my 318. And also see how he is literally incapable of letting me post anything without rushing in to argue and try to start more game-spamming shit-flinging. He's

painfully

obvious scum.

that's about all I have right now.

Attacking my activity now?

Getting desperate bro.

[House]

If House truly believed Expedience is town then House would not assume Expedience is lying in any of his posts.

That's a steaming pile of bullshit.

[House]

House needs to win arguments

Like, duh.

[House]

What I did was, give House a role cop report about Expedience instead of a neapolitan report. If House claimed this and if did inconvenience him, I'd have made a public statement about it, but House claimed the town vanilla result on NJAC, and tried to use my mistake to bail him out his precarious situation. His situation was caused by his neapolitan / vanilla cop scumslip, and had nothing to do with the erroneous report I sent.

I was mafia, it was my job to lie and take maximum advantage of every conceivable opportunity.

[House]

I think I am supposed to be banned from posting entirely, but the reply box was there so I did.

Either way, I won't be signing up for anymore games until cleared by crayons, to honor the spirit of the ban.

[House]

Guilty had me dead to rights very quickly, I'm impressed with his read and constant hounding of me (during my time in the game).

He kinda forced me into my fake result gambit, a slightly more attentive town would have followed through on the lynch of my slot to confirm NJAC.

Vax and NJAC did a great job of keeping the imminent doom of a scum lynch at bay, because a Vax lynch would have sealed our fate with my risky gambit.

[House]

I think I am supposed to be banned from posting entirely, but the reply box was there so I did.

Either way, I won't be signing up for anymore games until cleared by crayons, to honor the spirit of the ban.

Well, you're part of the game, so if you have any other comments, I'd love to hear them.

As far as the mechanics go, I think the distro method was fun, but perhaps find a way to exchange modifiers separately from the roles so a hashtag modifier isn't instant doom for a decent role but costs them something important in order to use... such as lose your vote for the current day (or following day if swapped at night).

[House]

Did you enjoy the game?

Would you like to play a sequel (hypothetically)?

Would you play this in mini format? Large? Which format would have your preference?

Yes

Yes

Large would be awesome. The Neapolitan cops would be much more powerful over time because town would eventually realize that being vanilla is the only way to be confirmed town while alive.

[House]

This is actually a bit against the spirit of what I had in mind. The whole point is that most likely you're getting a caveat with your role, though which one was the question.

My suggestion still presents a caveat, and one that most would say away from using.

Losing one's vote to rid a negative modifier seems a fair trade. Just my opinion, though.

[House]

This is actually a bit against the spirit of what I had in mind. The whole point is that most likely you're getting a caveat with your role, though which one was the question.

My suggestion still presents a caveat, and one that most would say away from using.

Losing one's vote to rid a negative modifier seems a fair trade. Just my opinion, though.

But it doesn't change the fact that

in the end

you have a big chance of ending up with a town full of unrestricted roles against the mafia. Maybe in a micro it would work, but in larger games with more days I don't see this working. The point is you remove a part of the random factor from the role distribution.

In the end, yes... But getting to that point compromises the ability to lynch scum, so it kinda evens out.

[House]

Ah yes, thanks much Smeagol for the awesome game!