Micro 636: Green Day UPick (Game Over)

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Hey all, posting like this for one post because I need to track down our hydra password, but I have something important to say.
Basically, we're a modified PGO:
Instead of being killed if you visit us, you become a

lover

with us. Meaning, if we die, so do you; if you die, so do we, and this be it lynch OR nightkill.

I considered the prospects of not claiming, or only partially claiming, this ability, but I'm pretty sure this is an anti-EVERYTHING ability. It's bad for town because two town deaths is bad. It's bad for scum because they'd lose one of their own, sure, but that is mitigated by them also taking us out, soyeah.

You REALLY don't want to target us with actions.

Lol and I thought our role was crappy.
What song did you send ?
But don't Pgo's only activate when the player is targeted for a nk?

~Ss(Mayhem)

The Refined head which is the more logical head will be here later.

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Hmm, town has so many negative utilities.
I don't think scum have too many powerful PRs.

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VOTE: Zaphkael

Why would you claim that?

Why is claiming that, voteworthy ?

Zaph and Prof Emo are town.
I'd like to think OTP are town.

So scum is between Titus, CO, Kop, Asp, RHB.

~Ss

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Refined head here.

VOTE: Zaphkael

Why would you claim that?

Why WOULDN'T he claim that exactly?

-Xk

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I just had a double take, I am so used to thinking RM as "RachMarie"

Anywho, I'M HERE BIITTCCHHHEEESSSS

I think I want refined mayhems head, and I am undecided about that naked vote, but it can be interesting. Lets see what else comes out his slot? Iirc he'll come in eventually and play.

I see chaos's point, but I don't explicitly agree with him

You seriously want to lynch us?

~Ss

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Hey RM

Could you expand on your reasoning for your reads a bit? I realize we have very little go on atm, because well day 1 just started and of course everyone has not yet chimed in, but still would love to hear more on your thoughts.

(right cat of course Jiffy should be on soonish but it is work time for him and unlike me he does not work from home)

I find both their claims believable and so does Xk.
Plus I've encountered this kind of role(role obscurer) in a recent game and it was town.

~Ss

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Will post more detail tonight.

Why does ASP have two votes?

I'm not sure, actually.

-Xk

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VOTE: RadiantHorsebells

-Xk

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@ RM
What is it about horse dude that has your interest?

Honestly, at the time of my vote, nothing at all. It was just a random vote to see if it would stir up some discussion in this extremely slow paced game.

As it stands though, I'm quite happy to continue voting him for the way he just hopped onto Kop.

-Xk

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RH, why switch your vote? And why switch to Titus and not On The Prowl?

Zaph, is there a lyric associated with the role-obscurer part of your role?

Because voting ASP is not going to lead anywhere, as he may be replacing out.

Because I'm not scumreading On The Prowl. Why do you want me to vote there?

You were voting Kop, not ASP.
Why did you switch?

~Ss

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In post 105, RadiantHorsebells wrote:
-Why would titus be a better vote?

Titus isn't hunting scum like I would expect from her and I didn't like how she voted me either.

@On The Prowl: Was my comment about you throwing shade on me not worth of a reply? If you feel like I'm not doing enough to advance the game state, engaging me on what I posted about you seems like a logical move.

Unless you're alt, I have zero memory of you. RC?

Interesting. I had just assumed that RH was an RC alt.

-Xk

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oops and smiley failure lol

@ Kob
ok I was not talking about the lover claim I was talking about the obscurer claim and his song.

Jiffy was here when Mastin claimed the lover one.

@Mara what is it about chaos you find scummy?

@Titus I voted ASP for his naked vote in 3rd place at that time and then nothing else of substance. Think the other vote was a sheep baa baa vote.


(ok ok it is the right cat Rach)

His song that was given, I can't see what connection I could draw there, to be honest.

I am not fully caught up right now, I've had 2 long days at work, I will catch up properly tomorrow.

Is this proper catch up ever going to happen Kop?

-Xk

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Not sure I like that vote, if I'm being honest.

-Xk

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UNVOTE: RadiantHorsebells

And I know I don't like the fact that you didn't bother catching up until you were prompted to do so.

-Xk

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UNVOTE: RadiantHorsebells

And I know I don't like the fact that you didn't bother catching up until you were prompted to do so.

-Xk

Like I said, I was going to catch up yesterday like I said I was, but I was in bed all day asleep.

I logged on just as that post was made, so yeah it may look like I was prompted.

What prompted you to unvote the person I just voted for? Run through me what made you come to some sort of conclusion you have gotten too?

I'm always pretty suspicious of people who only show up when their name is mentioned.

As for your vote, it looks opportunistic to me. The fact that there is absolutely no resistance to the RH wagon whatsoever makes me think he's town.

-Xk

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That doesn't really tell me anything, especially this early into the game. Scum are most likely under impressions that any wagons will fizzle out, especially when there isn't any real information that could really push the wagon nearer the lynch.

Right now, I can only go off the 7 posts that he has made, and well, if I could review my read of him, from scum, it would go as far as null, I wouldn't put him into my thought of he could be town. And that's just not down to lack of resistance.

Fair points.

What makes you think Omega is town?

-Xk

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@Mod: This head will be V/LA for the weekend.

-Xk

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It's the weekend so activity is lower than usual.

~Ss

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Also, unless Zaph actually does something scummy I'm not going to vote there.

~Ss

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@OTP, I am not so sure on your neg utility analysis. I have a very partially neg utility but if I claim it zero pro utility. The second ability thing is hinky.

If the theory is that RH = RC, they are not inexperienced town and thus are left with sketchy votes.

You are right on Zaph being scummy though, so I am voting the larger of the two. Please don't take my not sheeping as disagreeing with you on Zaph being scummy.

Why is Zaph scummy ?

~Ss

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RH, why switch your vote? And why switch to Titus and not On The Prowl?

Zaph, is there a lyric associated with the role-obscurer part of your role?

Because voting ASP is not going to lead anywhere, as he may be replacing out.

Because I'm not scumreading On The Prowl. Why do you want me to vote there?

You were voting Kop, not ASP.
Why did you switch?

~Ss

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And not to mention, I can't (as well as OTP) seem to tie in the lyrics with the role.

We have Boulevard of Broken Dreams tying in with the modified PGO, the ha ha your dead doesn't seem to tie in with the role obscurer.

My lyrics fit.

VOTE: Zaph

I'm happy to vote there based on that.

Ha Ha you're dead
The joke is over
You were an asshole
And now you're gone

You really can't see how these lyrics fit an Obscurer?

-Xk

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Stop being stupid, unvote yourself now!!

~Ss

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@ OTP, why the hell do you think Zaph is scum?
Cause his lyrics don't match?
Are you trying to say he is newb scum faking a negative utility role to get town credit ?
Do you realise how dumb that sounds.

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@ OTP, why the hell do you think Zaph is scum?
Cause his lyrics don't match?
Are you trying to say he is newb scum faking a negative utility role to get town credit ?
Do you realise how dumb that sounds.

~Ss

@mod can you replace ASP please?

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@OTP, I am not so sure on your neg utility analysis. I have a very partially neg utility but if I claim it zero pro utility. The second ability thing is hinky.

If the theory is that RH = RC, they are not inexperienced town and thus are left with sketchy votes.

You are right on Zaph being scummy though, so I am voting the larger of the two. Please don't take my not sheeping as disagreeing with you on Zaph being scummy.

Why is Zaph scummy ?

~Ss

@

Titus

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Our lyrics fit our role even less than Zaph's do, so I'm not even remotely interested in lynching someone for that reason.

-Xk

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What about the rest of the case?
And yeah the lyrics thing is more Jiffy than me.


Right cat

You mean the part where you want us to lynch the, more than likely, town player just so we can see the roles of the dead players?

Sorry, not interested.

-Xk

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VOTE: Titus

wanting to do this for a long time

~Ss

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@Chaos, vote Titus with us.

~Ss

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VOTE: Titus

wanting to do this for a long time

~Ss

So you wanted to vote me for being VLA?

Like I haven't been here at all.

I will catch up by this evening. I think my work emergency has been put out.

Nah, I wanted to discuss about you with Xk. He wasn't around during the weekend so he more or less agrees with my read on you.

~Ss

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We need two more votes on Titus.

~Ss

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Are you fucking daft Asp.

~Ss

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By the way: we're now tied to A Simple Plan.

Picking up, probably wouldn't have mentioned this right off the bat, but yeah, and I think it makes him very likely town.

Or he wanted you and everyone else to think that therefore he targeted you with something.
Wouldn't surprise me if he is the last scum.

~Ss

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VOTE: Chaos

~Ss

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I'm not.
Chaos is town.

Elaborate ?

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Only thing I'm not sure is if Titus would soft defend her buddy on day 1 itself so not sure about RH being scum.

~Ss

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: RH

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UNVOTE: RadiantHorsebells
I think I'd prefer Chaos at this point, but I want to talk to Shadow first, since he's been more involved in this game than me.

-Xk

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UNVOTE: RadiantHorsebells
I think I'd prefer Chaos at this point, but I want to talk to Shadow first, since he's been more involved in this game than me.

-Xk

Alright, never mind this.

Intent to hammer RH

-Xk

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What exactly are you hoping to accomplish by stating this?

To let everyone know that you are about to be hammered, so that they can say what they need to say, if anything.

-Xk

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VOTE: RadiantHorsebells

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Scum may perform the factional kill and an active ability on the same night.

Chaos, you've kept this in mind. Right?

~Ss

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I think the last scum is in [kop, chaos, ASP]
If Chaos manages me to convince me about him and Kop being town being of his role.
It would be pretty clear ASP is the last scum.
Zaph I'm 100% sure is town.

~Ss

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being

because*

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VOTE: ASP

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I've calculated it out, and town win percentage drops drastically if Prof and I survive to D4. I really don't like 313 because it splits the vote for what is effectively the same thing (once Chaos has already voted Prof), but like I said, the best course of action is to kill the lovers, in the possibility that one is scum.

VOTE: Prof

Show your work please.

I love statistics and probabilities.

-Xk

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UNVOTE: A Simple Plan

I'll claim if RM wants me to.

If your result can for sure clear Kop, then please do.

If that's the case, and you are town, we can actually auto-win from here.

-Xk

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I'm a jailkeeper, song is Sassafras Roots.

Well I'm a waste like you
with nothing else to do
may I waste your time too?

There's only one scum left and a kill went through, so Kop is clear assuming he's not ascetic or a strongman and I wasn't roleblocked.

Perfect.

So, as long as Zaph and either one of the Lovers is lynched in the next two days, we will auto-win.

That this, assuming your claim is legit, which I believe it is.

-Xk

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There's only one scum left and a kill went through, so Kop is clear assuming he's not ascetic or a strongman and I wasn't roleblocked.

Strongman can bypass the JK,i.e, he could have killed Kop. But can Strongman perform the kill even after being jked?

I think Strongman is a possibility.
Zaph is town I'm not lynching him at all.

The people i'm comfortable being around with at lylo are

-Zaph
.
-Chaos




everyone else

~Ss

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Damn it. Hang on.

Shadow just brought up a good point in our PT (in addition to the Strongman point he just talked about).

Scratch what I said about the auto-win earlier though. At least for now.

-Xk

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Kop, I'm not looking for a full claim here, simple yes or no is fine, but can you confirm that you were blocked during N1?

-Xk

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Strongman is very likely a possibility or Kop could even be ascetic.
I don't like how Kop didn't react to this until Chaos claimed.

That vote didn't strike me as normal behaviour from Chaos, considering he was on me pretty much end of day one. The whole swing from pressing myself, to then not pursuing me come day two and going for RH is strange.

Hmmm, almost like something happened overnight to make me stop pursuing Kop...

It was very convenient for Kop to claim that he was blocked.
As scum JK/RB why would Chaos town clear Kop?
He knows my slot is being widely townread, almost impossible to lynch and I won't let Zaph get lynched. Prof Emo is most likely town too due to their claim. It is a dumb AF move is scum.

For me it is simple scum is either ASP or Kop.

VOTE: Kop

~Ss

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That I do not know.

Both give me the same message.

Kop, I'm not looking for a full claim here, simple yes or no is fine, but can you confirm that you were blocked during N1?

-Xk

Yes.

How can this possibly be true then?

-Xk

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Also, who were your targets, why'd you choose them?

-Xk

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Forgot N2 didn't happen.

Who was your N1 target then?

-Xk

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Hysterical cop.

Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.

This seems like a fake claim, TTH would give to scum.

No way town have a cop with all the claimed roles so far.
Prof believe me CO is town.
It's either ASP or Kop, you do realise that NA and Kill can be done on the same night?
~Ss

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You guys are missing the point entirely.

Kop confirmed earlier, right after Chaos's claim, that he was blocked during N1.

Now he's saying that he can't tell whether he gets blocked or not because an investigation on an innocent player gives him a "No Result."

So he was basically just appeasing Chaos because he knew he was town.

-Xk

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I really don't think CO as scum goes through all that trouble if clearing kop and then claiming JK as scum. It is just a dumb move

@Prof what do you think about Kop suggesting we Lynch Zaph or RM(us) instead of suggesting to lynch CO. He is obviously saving Omega for a future mislynch.

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I think a town! Kop would have shared his night 1 investigation target regardless of the fact that he was blocked.
Previous post was also by me.
~Ss

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Day 1, kop has no interactions with Titus. Simply puts her in the null pile.

~Ss

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I think we lynch one of the Lovers today, but no one should vote until we've talked it out.

-Xk

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Zaph, you mentioned before (in D1, if I remember correctly) that you may have another ability, in addition to the obscurer one. Do you have any NA's you want to disclose?

-Xk

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Zaph is not scum. Nor am I, please tell me why we shouldn't lynch you.

~Ss

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Kop was a fine lynch, and no lynch was never an option.

Also, as scum chaos was probably the worst kill we could have made especially considering (I think) RM was also going down that route.

Don't really understand the weird switch from "town" to scum with the only reasons being mastins walls which were supposedly forced?

Gonna talk things over with partners and lover, and see where we stand but I'm personally thinking RM

There are like million reasons as to why I can't be scum. If you honestly think I'm scum I pity you .
We will claim but ASP goes first.
I'm 100% confident zaph cannot be scum, I even explained it to XK in our PT. Titus doesn't bus her buddy, not her scum meta. Plus if that zaph lynch went through , Titus would have had to explain why she was alive after 3 fucking nights after semi leading the lynch in zaph which would be impossible.

~Ss

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Also, you each get

one

chance from this post to check your private topics.

If neither of you claim to have access to one, then there is a 100% confirmation that A Simple Plan is confirmed town.
It also is like a 95% objective confirmation that one of you two is scum, but that's beside the point.

So, check your private topics right now.
Final chance to claim them.

Yeah, what the hell is this post?

We only have our hydra PT ofc

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VOTE: Asp

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Slight correction: more accurately, town can't lose unless the scum can convince us ASP is scum (not happening), or can convince ASP we're scum. We literally win in every other scenario. For ~reasons~.

You better explain this shit today. Its the whole bloody reason I've been lynching people I wasn't really okay with lynching.

~Ss

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Answer this first: do you have any PTs?

I asked you to claim, do you understand English ?

~Ss

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He probably used strongman modifier on his kill or his neighborise was one shot only.
Still scum for me.

~Ss

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Who's that's btw matin?
I thought you would have figured out our role because of how we believed there was a chance of strongman or ascetic.

~Ss

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That is,

And I just started looking back at this game and I just noticed you weren't even the first our second person in the titus wagon, you were third and before your vote, you didn't mention her at all. It was then that you took on the "let's lynch titus" mantle. It looks like the perfect busing scenario and no one all game has even looked at your because of how you supposedly lead her lynch

You are right, I only started suspecting her because of the way she jumped off the RH wagon. Gave me the feeling of scum knowing he was town.

~Ss

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Also, all game, they have been hinting neg. Utility or a weak role, but they haven't claimed it. If they were town with neg. Utility, I don't understand why they wouldn't

Are you referring to me?
If yes I don't have a neg utility.

~Ss

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I don't see where she jumped off that wagon before you vote her. I see her jumping on it though

And, ok then I don't know what the hell you've been softing all game and afait neither does mastin

We are a delayed doc.
So if we protect a player on n1. It will only take place on n2.
This us exactly why I think scum have strongman.

~Ss

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Yeah so, Shadow is pretty sure it's ASP, and I'm pretty sure it's Prof. We are comfortable with betting the game on Zaph being town though.

So, what's it gonna be? Which one of you Lovers is willing to either vote for the other one or vote for yourself?

Otherwise, I'm perfectly fine with No Lynching today to prove that one of you is scum.

-Xk

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Our song is The Saints are Coming.

-Xk

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So what, we stalling this crap out?

We've said what we want to say. Just waiting for everyone else.

-Xk

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We targeted OTP in N1, and I'm not gonna say who we targeted last night.

-Xk

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Bit V/LA (not to mention, exhausted; staff meetings drain the life out of me), so no posting at the moment, but I intend to post tomorrow about why the game's an auto-win if we don't lynch the lovers today.

Yeah? That's another point, its like you aren't reading a single thing I am saying

Or a single thing that asp has said, either. Scum is pretty much guanteed to be outside our pair
VOTE: rm

This is the slot that needs to lynched to win today

You are really beginning to annoy me now. Tell me one thing in the thread that can be termed as "scum hunting.?"
Tell me why I just didnt kill you yesterday and setup a 3p lylo with Chaos and zaph.
Why THE HELL AM I AS SCUM HAVE PUT MYSELF IN THIS SITUATION WHERE I NEED TO CONVINCE ONE OF YOU TO ESSENTIALLY SELF VOTE?

~Ss

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Slight correction: more accurately, town can't lose unless the scum can convince us ASP is scum (not happening), or can convince ASP we're scum. We literally win in every other scenario. For ~reasons~.

You better explain this shit today. Its the whole bloody reason I've been lynching people I wasn't really okay with lynching.

~Ss

Also, I want to know how this the case when this has been stated today.

Mastin already explained what she said yesterday, yesterday.

Also I never got the impression that you lynched people you didn't want to, iirc we had to move from our preferred lynch yesterday

I wanted to lynch Asp day 2, I wanted to lynch asp day 3. But because of some dumb reason you are thinking Asp is town. CO was a town read since day 1, RH was town because of his push on Titus and I didn't really think Kop was scum. But because of your stupid outbursts I couldn't lynch ASP.

~Ss

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The reason we're asking about PTs is because A Simple Plan is a neighborizer.
He neighborized us N1, so we absolutely, 100%, for a fact, know that's his power, because we gained TWO topics: one for our lover ability, and a second from HIS.
He used his neighborize power last night.
And yet, neither of you have access to the neighborhood, or if you do, you are denying having it.
Meaning, either one of you is lying and does have access but won't claim as much (claiming it would, after all, be inconvenient given the contents)...

...OR, ASP was blocked by ChaosOmega, and by virtue of being blocked,

could not have made the kill

. And he can't be immune, because we absolutely 100% for a FACT know what his power is and it aint ascetic.

In EITHER case, A Simple Plan is town.
Scum lying, or him being blocked, doesn't matter which. The result's the same: he is town.

Did you even think that CO could have blocked his target or he is lying and his neighboriser is only 1 shot?
If he had a neighbourhood with either one of us or zaph he would have the name in the PT topic. But he hasn't said anything about that. Obviously lying.

~Ss

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If he had a neighbourhood with either one of us or zaph he would have the name in the PT topic.

What else does this mean? Seriously stop conf biasing.

~Ss

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And, yes we did.

If he was blocked, he clearly isn't strongman this town. If his neighborizer is one shot he still isn't strongman so if he was blocked by CO last night, CO wouldn't be dead

Strongman cannot be blocked, wtf is wrong with you?
You keep forgetting scum can do the factional NK and do a NA.

~Ss

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Tell me why I just didnt kill you yesterday and setup a 3p lylo with Chaos and zaph.
Why THE HELL AM I AS SCUM HAVE PUT MYSELF IN THIS SITUATION WHERE I NEED TO CONVINCE ONE OF YOU TO ESSENTIALLY SELF VOTE?

~Ss

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Tell me why I just didnt kill you yesterday and setup a 3p lylo with Chaos and zaph.
Why THE HELL AM I AS SCUM HAVE PUT MYSELF IN THIS SITUATION WHERE I NEED TO CONVINCE ONE OF YOU TO ESSENTIALLY SELF VOTE?

~Ss

Because I wanted PE dead?

question wasn't to you.
and no, even if you wanted PE dead it doesn't matter.
Winning this game in 3p lylo with Chaos and you would have been significantly more easier.

~Ss

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Strongman modifier can only be used on kills not on neigbourise.

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And idk why anyone would keep us alive, I chalked it up to wifom

Seriously no. Nobody outside ASP as scum keeps you alive, because it was obvious from your reads that you would lynch anyone over ASP.
It is not worth the wifom
It makes no sense for me to kill my scum read Chaos.

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Then vote PE with me.

Then vote ASP with me.

-Xk

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Why not?

-Xk

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But lynching ASP will also kill PE, which is what you ultimately want. So, why not move?

Also, you're wrong about who we protected last night.

-Xk

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This post confirms that they are at least telling the truth about their role:

By the way: we're now tied to A Simple Plan.

Picking up, probably wouldn't have mentioned this right off the bat, but yeah, and I think it makes him very likely town.

-Xk

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Because your being weird is weirding me out.

-Xk

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Making me think I might have missed something.

-Xk

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Alright, well if you're scum, at least I get to see Shadow eat cardboard. Silver linings, right?

UNVOTE: A Simple Plan

VOTE: Profgessor Emotion

-Xk

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Right. Plus, your post at the beginning of D2 also confirms it.

-Xk

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I wasn't.

-Xk

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So the moment I say I doubt you, you just think it's a good idea to listen and vote PE?

I didn't even start doubting you until you started acting weird, and Shadow never wavered in his town read on you.

-Xk

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Right. Plus, your post at the beginning of D2 also confirms it.

-Xk

Sure but Hydra partner confirmation doesn't mean anything since I would hope most are smart enough not to fuck up whatever gambit or fakeclaims have been started by other partner, so

I don't understand what you're saying. That post confirms that you weren't fake claiming because ASP targeted you during N1, and you knew that, before ASP ever posted in D2.

-Xk

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I think you are trying everything in your power to not scumread ASP and get the lynch on me or RM so you survive.

But on the other hand, RM was way too awkward about voting you.

If I'm scum, lynching the Lovers is an auto-win for me. Why would I be awkward about voting PE? Why wouldn't I just jump right on it?

-Xk

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Right. Plus, your post at the beginning of D2 also confirms it.

-Xk

Sure but Hydra partner confirmation doesn't mean anything since I would hope most are smart enough not to fuck up whatever gambit or fakeclaims have been started by other partner, so

I don't understand what you're saying. That post confirms that you weren't fake claiming because ASP targeted you during N1, and you knew that, before ASP ever posted in D2.

-Xk

I'm saying if mastin decided to fake claim lover, and announced our new linked person, I'm not gonna go in the thread and go "WTF are you talking about"

Of course you wouldn't, but that has no relevance on that post I quoted. It doesn't matter which one of you posted it, the post alone proves your claim.

-Xk

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MM wanna answer my question as to why am I leaving you alive if scum and why the hell am I killing my scum read? Still waiting for that answer.

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Why was it weird?
Look at your posts. You tried not to look too willing to change votes. When it got hot, you changed. That's scummy imo.

It was weird because you were hesitant to switch to ASP, when lynching either of them would kill both of them. Like I said, I though I was missing something.

I don't know why you think it "got hot," because that certainly isn't what happened. I changed my voted because I realized that you somehow missed the fact that PE's claim has been proven to be true, and from your perspective, that was a legit reason to be hesitant to vote ASP.

-Xk

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How the hell is it confbias. It makes perfect sense for scum to have strongman given our role and Chaos being JK. He's clearly POE scum. He has literally been doing nothing all game.

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But your reaction test was all kinds of bad.
It looks like you slipped and tried to cover up and I'm really bugged by that.
It's why I unvoted; I don't trust you either.

Pedit: why was from your perspective a reason not to change before it, then? I asked you to change your vote and you asked me the same back.

Because I couldn't understand why you would ask me to move my vote, instead of just moving to ASP.

You explained it. I believed you. I voted PE.

-Xk

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I said it was wifom, that's the best answer I could come up with, dont know your playstyles, but it adds interesting dynamic and it is a decision I could probably respect.

Okay tell me what would you do as scum? Setup up a mylo like this and continuously townread a player like zaph and push the lynch of one of the lovers when the other lover is not willing to vote him at all.

Fuck all that, why am I bussing my buddy day 1. When there are tonnes of mislynch bait lying around.

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Stop slipping shadow

Also strong man could have been titus

What slip?
Stop being dense.

He means stop posting on your main account.

-Xk

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We are also both female...

Sorry. Habit.

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We are also both female...

Sorry. Habit.

-Xk

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Okay I give up. I can't argue with someone who is dumb enough to believe that when scum have an easy option to choose to win, they choose a more difficult option for the hell of it. Its like you are offered a penalty kick but no I want to take a free kick from 50 yards to score the winner.

I've already told XK that if we lose this an Asp is scum I'm going to troll MM and Mastin till I leave this site or they do.

~Ss

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It isn't that difficult to do, risks aren't to terrible and rewards are fantastic

Lmao

I do think the kills are in their being-town advantage
Them white-knighting me could be seen as scum (trying to keep a shit player with an anti town role alive) but I don't think it outweighs the D1 thing.

Even if you disregard all of that. I wouldn't have needed to defend you at all. Let OTP lead the Lynch on you day 1. Let OTP take the fall for your town flip day 2. Day 3 would have been lylo.

~Ss

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It's also cute how MM is saying I don't have a case on Asp, when all the case that she has on me is that I bussed Titus.
*slow claps*

~Ss

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I absolutely hate hate losing.

Did I say I hate it?
Esp when I've been right the entire fucking whole time.

~Ss

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No matter what I say you are going to confbias so it is pointless.
But feel free to check my scum games. I'm never town read as scum because I don't care about being town read.

~Ss

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Guys, plan. Zaph is pretty much conftown in my eyes right now, so go with this.

VOTE: RM

If they're scum, game over, we win. If they're not, they're obviously telling the truth about delayed Doctor, and therefore Zaph cannot be killed, and that means we move to 3P LYLO tomorrow and lynch us as lovers, or PE or I kill within the lover pair and die tonight, resulting in a town win.

This is exactly why ASP is scum. This doesn't cone from a town mindset at all. Scum in the lovers doesn't kill the other at night after my town flip.

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He is saying that after lynching me, I'm gonna flip town because I know.
Assuming zaph is town. If you(Pe) are scum is gonna kill Asp? If Asp is scum he's gonna kill you(PE). How is this a town mindset you tell me.

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VOTE: PE

Told y'all, had both scum day fucking 1. Doesn't matter who is scum between you two. Whoever is town either self vote so we can win this or if in the highly unlikely scenario that ASP is town, vote PE.

~Ss

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VOTE: PE

If either of me/RM is scum we were gamethrowing.
It's just painfully obvious.

This is fact.

If we are scum, then we're lying about being a Delayed Doctor. In which case, we win by killing either ASP, the guaranteed kill, since there is no Doctor.

If Zaph is scum, then we're town, and telling the truth about being a Delayed Doctor. The same guaranteed NK on ASP also grants Zaph the win, and the only way that stops that is if we protected ASP. Well, we didn't protect ASP. In fact, we didn't protect either one of the Lovers.

Therefore, if both Lovers were town, then the game would be over right now, regardless of whether we are scum or Zaph is. Either that, or one of us is intentionally not taking the guaranteed win during N4. As Zaph put it, gamethrowing.

So, how about we don't drag this thing out?

-Xk

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We protected you only. Where are you getting that from that we didn't protect you ?

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He's getting it from me. I said that he was wrong about us choosing to protect him last night.

Zaph, I only said that because of what you said about how obvious it was that we were going to protect you last night. I was trying to make it look to the scum team like we chose to protect Chaos, and that you were a free kill.

Everyone has confirmed you as town in their own eyes, which means that you ARE essentially confirmed town. I'm pretty sure scum didn't even submit a NK last night, but if they did, the ONLY chance they would have had was to kill you and push a lynch on us.

I knew this, and wanted them to target you.

-Xk

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I still think we should go with what I had said, and if you use your head, Zaph, if you're town it makes perfect sense. RM is claiming to have targeted you. If he flips town, we know you're safe, and neither PE nor I could kill ourselves or it would be a town win. In 3P LYLO, I'm up for self-voting, meaning there's no way town loses if you're town, because you

CANT BE KILLED

. I'm not going to vote PE today, and neither are they.

VOTE: Refined Mayhem!![/quote]

Why the fuck should I take that chance and assume you don't have strongman or something? Why the fuck should I be lynched when it is obvious that I'm not scum neither is Zaph. We would have already won if either of us were scum.

JUST FUCKING SELF VOTE YOU STUPID FUCKS

~Ss

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wtf that was supposed to be a quote

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VOTE: PE

just in case

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EBWOP

I still think we should go with what I had said, and if you use your head, Zaph, if you're town it makes perfect sense. RM is claiming to have targeted you. If he flips town, we know you're safe, and neither PE nor I could kill ourselves or it would be a town win. In 3P LYLO, I'm up for self-voting, meaning there's no way town loses if you're town, because you

CANT BE KILLED

. I'm not going to vote PE today, and neither are they.

VOTE: Refined Mayhem!!

Why the fuck should I take that chance and assume you don't have strongman or something? Why the fuck should I be lynched when it is obvious that I'm not scum neither is Zaph. We would have already won if either of us were scum.

JUST FUCKING SELF VOTE YOU STUPID FUCKS

~Ss

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Present.

I still think we should go with what I had said, and if you use your head, Zaph, if you're town it makes perfect sense. RM is claiming to have targeted you. If he flips town, we know you're safe, and neither PE nor I could kill ourselves or it would be a town win. In 3P LYLO, I'm up for self-voting, meaning there's no way town loses if you're town, because you CANT BE KILLED. I'm not going to vote PE today, and neither are they.

VOTE: Refined Mayhem!!

You can't be serious.

-Xk

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And asp has a point, if you guys were town i don't think there is a reason for you guys to not target him again especially since you guys suspected that there will still be a game today

Why didn't we just kill ASP yesterday and won the freaking game if we are scum?
Mastin can't possibly be this dumb. Looks like your slot is actually scum and you've been manipulating ASP like a useless town puppet that he is.

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EBWOP

I still think we should go with what I had said, and if you use your head, Zaph, if you're town it makes perfect sense. RM is claiming to have targeted you. If he flips town, we know you're safe, and neither PE nor I could kill ourselves or it would be a town win. In 3P LYLO, I'm up for self-voting, meaning there's no way town loses if you're town, because you

CANT BE KILLED

. I'm not going to vote PE today, and neither are they.

VOTE: Refined Mayhem!!

Why the fuck should I take that chance and assume you don't have strongman or something? Why the fuck should I be lynched when it is obvious that I'm not scum neither is Zaph. We would have already won if either of us were scum.

JUST FUCKING SELF VOTE YOU STUPID FUCKS

~Ss

Um, no.

All you've presented is WIFOM regarding the Chaos lynch, and in case you recall, three of the four of us, at minimum, scumread him if I remember correctly. And the lone differing opinion preferred Kop but agreed Chaos was also worthy of a scumread.

It actually makes no sense for anyone of the group as scum to have killed Chaos, because he would almost assuredly be a mislynch last day phase regardless of whom had been killed otherwise.

Stop pretending that Chaos has anything to do with it.

Nothing matters but this:

VOTE: PE

If either of me/RM is scum we were gamethrowing.
It's just painfully obvious.

This is fact.

If we are scum, then we're lying about being a Delayed Doctor. In which case, we win by killing either ASP, the guaranteed kill, since there is no Doctor.

If Zaph is scum, then we're town, and telling the truth about being a Delayed Doctor. The same guaranteed NK on ASP also grants Zaph the win, and the only way that stops that is if we protected ASP. Well, we didn't protect ASP. In fact, we didn't protect either one of the Lovers.

Therefore, if both Lovers were town, then the game would be over right now, regardless of whether we are scum or Zaph is. Either that, or one of us is intentionally not taking the guaranteed win during N4. As Zaph put it, gamethrowing.

So, how about we don't drag this thing out?

-Xk

The fact that both of the Lovers are alive today is proof that one of you is scum. Otherwise, either us or Zaph would have already won the game.

As Zaph said, this is not an opinion. This is not open to discussion. This is fact. If either of us are scum, and chose not to kill both Town Lovers last night, then we would have been playing directly against our win condition.

-Xk

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Time to end this ASP.

-Xk