Okay, hello all. Replacing Flames. My typical replacement MO is to read the last couple of pages and nothing else (until I have reason to, i.e. ISOing scumspects or fact-checking.) However, this is my only game after a long absence, I have two weekend days free, and it's a short game with no results yet. Here's my stream-of consciousness readthrough...
Initial thoughts, prior to any reading -
Don't recognize anyone except GreyIce and Flames, Aeronaut seems vaguely familiar? It's been a while, sorry if I don't recognize people I ought.No lynch on D1 seems suspicious as fuck, but I suppose there's some theoretical merit with all Townies BP. Maybe you idiots are hoping for scum crossfire? That's stupid. Lynching is Town's
only
weapon, forfeiting it is always stupid, barring special mechanics. These mechanics aren't special enough. Our BP is only one shot, with two bullets flying every night. I'll be analyzing the no lynch wagon carefully.It occurs to me, from a theory perspective, that scum may be less motivated to scumhunt than usual multiball micro. Losing their opponent's shot makes it almost impossible to successfully nightkill. This observation interacts with the no lynch in ways I haven't fully figured.
Also, I am irritated by a quirk of how this site works. When I wallpost, I like to be able to snag quotes, and a locked thread denies me that ability. Composing this post in Notepad with manual BBcode is frustrating.
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RVS Stage
Posts 13 & 15 - I am not a fan of brash overconfident RVS reads, even if they're not serious. It suggests trying to hard, and someone who isn't actually invested in scumhunting. Scumpoint to Vedith.
Post 17 - This RL talk smells funny. Half a scumpoint to infinity
Post 18 - Townclaiming this early? Unprovoked? Scumpoint to Jester
Posts 28-33 - The Yume incident...what in the actual fuck is this. I have no way of reading this...on one hand, Yume was apparently dicking around with games and got banned for it, so the townclaim may have been trolling. Or it may have been genuine, and an attempt to fuck with the game. I am very tempted to say that a legit townclaim would have resulted in a reset of the game this early on and conclude scum, but...there's some extenuating circumstances there. With solid reasons to think lots of things, I'm discarding the whole incident for now.
Posts 36 & 49 - In non-multiball, this would be a townpoint. As it stands, it's merely a hard not-partners-with-Jester read.
Posts 50-65 - Back-and-forth between Jester and Infinity reinforces the above, and adds up to another scumpoint for Jester.
Posts 68-78 - Scummy interactions between Jester and Vedith. Not sure how to read Vedith's bizarre claims about Aero, they look like they're based on an entirely different game? Infinity qualifies for an actual Townpoint at this stage. I'm having a hard time seeing scum hunting their opposites this hard this early in this setup.
Post 119, 121, 122 - Agreed on most counts. Shitposting thread is right. Aero is missing that scumhunting =! townposting in multiball. I'd be inclined to give townpoints, but multiball.
Posts 127-148 - GreyIce activity. This looks like scumGI to me for a couple of reasons. First, he's pointing fingers and a vote at Jester and Vedith without providing his own reasoning...then he's advocating lynching lurkers? Then he's setting up a bogus trap for a newbie that doesn't really work? No. Two scumpoints for GreyIce, but a hard not-partners-with-ThinkBig read.
Through post 170 - Nothing interesting here. RB is hard to read. Knowing he got replaced due to unreasonable V/LA or whatever makes me not want to bother with his noncontribution
Posts 171-191 - Another half townpoint to Infinity here. In nonmultiball, he'd be a pretty hard Townread by now. GreyIce is right, Vedith is absolutely teamhunting, not scumhunting. He gets two scumpoints. After he flips, these first few pages are going to be valuable for finding his partner. Not bothering now, it's counterproductive without any flips.
Post 192 - This one is open to interpretation. I can't grok whether he is trying to turn scum against one another using theory that I'm not sure holds water, or
whether he's trying to covertly get a partner back on track
forgot about daytalk. This might be townposting after all? Wiping one of GI's scumpoints.Post 219 (and preceding) - Yes. believe that's a genuine scumslip. At this point, I am genuinely beyond baffled how this ended in a no lynch
Posts 238 & 240 - These posts are calling for opposite things, but they're both Townish. Half a townpoint to rb, and I'm going to wipe the rest of my early scumread from GI. Pushing hard for a scumlynch looks Town to me, though it's plausible he's trying to kill competition. Damn, micro multiball does not agree with me. Much easier with larger multiball.
Post 251 -
@Infinity
GreyIce pretty much always abrasively townclaims. It's not a tell either way for himPost 254-255 - This looks like a newbie genuinely scumhunting. In nonmultiball this would be a townclaim.
@ThinkBig
From a meta perspective, keep up the good work. I remember being new to this site, and this reminds me of that.Posts 270-272 - Never mind about that half townpoint, RB. Your shiny new scumpoint wipes it out. I really do not like the way he is characterizing Jester and GI. Seems contrived
Page 12-Post 306 - Nothing interesting until GreyIce quitting. Ragequitting like this is a GITown move. I don't see it from him even in multiball. Gamma inherits two townpoints.
Post 307-315 - My predecessor's rundown. It's kind of like having a hydra partner, as I can actually be certain of his alignment. Unfortunately, my 'partner' is wholly unhelpful, as his reads are either the same as mine, or don't provide solid reasoning. w/e
Posts 320-323 - GuiltyLion's catchup...I'd load on scumpoints for suggesting no lynch, but I could see this as misguided Town misreading the setup and proposing stupid theory. Much more interested in looking at people who jump at the opportunity. Townread on Jester? Wtf is this? I see no scum reason for doing this? Summary - confusing read. I think it's a net 1 scumpoint? There's too many obscure dumb reasons for why he might be doing this
Post 324 - Outright scumclaim. The first time he suggested he wasn't surviving the night, I could
maybe
buy that he's newbie Town forgetting that he's BP, but doing it a second time is tantamount to acknowledging that he's not BP. Kind of wondering why he doesn't get a modkill for this crap. Looks like he's trying to soak a lynch and get his opponents to shoot a BP to remove a townie shield.Posts 325-352ish - Conversation between Vedith and Gamma. Vedith tunneling on shitty reads to eliminate a threat looks bad, Gamma reacts well. Nets to another scumpoint for Vedith, maybe half a townpoint for Gamma
Posts 359-367 - Argument between GL and Gamma. Okay, I see GL's 'logic' now. I sharply disagree with it, but this doesn't look
quite
as bad now, but it's still a move that helps scum more than town. 367 looks especially towny to me. I'll refund half of the scumpoint given to GL for the NL argument, but the other half stays.Post 371 - Hmm. I was not expecting Infinity to be the first to take advantage of the NL option. Infinity is down to null. I'm not seeing anything towny from him except a metric assload of scumhunting, which isn't indicative of anything in this setup. Much more interesting will be the third and fourth votes, though
Posts 380-388 - Goddammit. I want someone to be held responsible for this NL. Aeronaut's low and reasoned approach to voting NL seems reasonable, if misguided, but fuck him. He's a lurker who voted no lynch. He gets one scumpoint instead of the several he probably deserves.
Post 399 - This looks like a scumslip. Does not know Townies are BP? After all this? I can see not paying attention to setup, I can see missing the discussion, but missing your role PM? Nah. Scumpoint. Finally have a good starting point for ThinkBig
Post 402 - This sits badly with me. Bullying and threatening are not town tactics in my book. Have another scumpoint.
Post 408 - There it is. As much as bullying is scummy, acquiescing to threats instead of sticking to your guns is worse. Added on top of a NL vote like that? Yeah, I'm getting a scum vibe from ThinkBig now.
Page 415 - Having a hard time squaring a strong townread with this quickhammer of the NL. Gamma squandered my good will here. I genuinely do not know how to handle this action without Gamma's reasoning. Gamma's townpoints frozen until I hear a goddamn explanation. The fact that two of my scumreads are going hard for him as low-hanging fruit mitigates this a little...need to hear from him first.
Page 17 in general - I really
really
don't like the bullying and tunneling going on here. I also don't like the bloodthirstiness of jumping on the quickhammer and lining up the next lynchAnd that's about it.
Vedith -4
Infinity 0
Jester -A lot
GreyIce/Gamma 2.5
rb/GuiltyLion -1
Aeronaut -2
ThinkBig -1
Infinity/Jester = not a team
GreyIce/ThinkBig = not a team
