Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[Vedith]

Hello!
I'll read up after work.

[Vedith]

Also, let me confirm that I'm town, either Aero or algebra take their vote off me, even for the sake of letting me catch up or I'm lynched and scum win.
Otherwise Aero and algebra blew their load too quickly (common factor in both, I heard!)

[Vedith]

It's okay Vedith, Aero's scum.

Well, this clears you from being scum at least.
If Shannon posts before 1 of them unvote and doesn't hammer, we have the scum team.

[Vedith]

On way home now where I can catch up.
Noted that Algebra changed his vote instead of unvoting giving confidence in Shannon being town?
Can you explain your thought process on me, Shannon and Aero right now?

[Vedith]

So this is where I am at.
Postie is confirmed scum to everyone now. Could have hammered me, and I could have hammered Aero (meaning we cannot be a scum team).

i really would like to lynch algebra tbh

At this stage it seems like a distancing vote, just after Creature is showing focus else where (Only Creature and Aero voting Alg).

Algebra's ISO looks scummy so far, with the wagon hopping,

but I don't know whether scum would be that obvious?

He is even newer than I am so maybe it's newbie scum and the partner isn't around to give advice? Null leaning slightly to scum

This is called sitting on the fence.

I would vote Algebra but I don't want anyone at L-1 yet. So onward up the list I go.

VOTE: Flames

This is so bad, just after discussion of hammering Shannon won't L1 Alg.
Instead votes for an easier lynch and puts them to L2 instead.

@Dark Horse why didn't you announce L-1 on Algebra? And why have you voted there, given that you've tunnelled me all day but have said almost nothing (I don't want to say nothing in case I missed one) about him?

Seems to not like L1 on Alg, given that L1 wasn't stated but this looks like Shannon is pushing for deflection.

Aero returns back at 155 with Alg at L1. He doesn't shy away from his vote, however, with everyone being aware of the hammer situation, L1 isn't overally a threat imo at this stage and Aero gets a lot more town cred late game for staying on the wagon 9/10.

because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it

What I don't like here is that Aero has already decided that Alg is town by posting this. He doesn't take in consideration that Postie or Shannon are the buddies of Alg (Strongly suggests Aero and Shannon team here)

161
Has Alg in the same area as DH in the reads, but doesn't actually say scum like he does on DH, yet voting Aero and keeping him on L1 without pushing him?

175 - Here we go, Aero changes vote, casually leaving Alg back on L2.
Took long enough considering he already thinks Alg is town!!!

163 - Over explaining here, seems forced and fake.

The whole back and forth with Postie and Aero is just Aero panicking as scum.

184 - I'm not even sure with this...

Skipping forward of that

I agree with this, and I think you're in a TvT battle.

Here we go, Shannon going for the both town tactic, lets look else where thing...

Some posts of Shannon 227 228 - I don't even know where Shannon stands on scum right now... Has the 3 main posters as town. That leaves 3 people left to be scum for her and not even a vote?!?!

@shannon - Why are you townreading Aero?

Gets ignored?

259 - I mean, we have the scum reads, right? But still no push or focus towards these, just seems more concerned on convincing Postie.

263 - This is dreadful, he doesn't have any concern on Shannon not scum hunting.

Skipping forward more

414 - Doesn't care as long as it's not on Shannon or Aero I guess...

And if TB isn't scum then the team's shannon-Aero in which case we've already lost.

And if TB isn't scum then the team's shannon-Aero in which case we've already lost.

And if TB isn't scum then the team's shannon-Aero in which case we've already lost.

Aero's hammer was shit. THIS IS NOT TOWN!!!

527 - Are you serious?

548 - ...

557 - ...

591 - ...

Aero and Shannon are scum.
Take my vote as if it's on Aero.

[Vedith]

Postie is confirmed scum to everyone now.

Keep this in mind going into the night phase.

[Vedith]

I mean town obviously.
Postie is confirmed town as she could have voted me, meaning only me and her can be scum if she is, and I could have voted you.

[Vedith]

That's all you had to add?
So Shannon and Alg have to be confirmed scum to Aero now
Aero has to be confirmed scum to Shannon
(In a town perspective on their own).

[Vedith]

Why not?

You are obviously going to claim to be town, correct?
This means in your eyes there are 2 scum in me, Shannon and alg (Postie is proven town).
Now, me and Alg

CAN'T

be scum together in your eyes meaning that Shannon has to be scum to you.
I haven't lynched you, so I can't be scum as you town. That means that only Alg and Shannon can be scum to you.

Tell me again how that makes zero sense.

Now, with Shannon, she will also believe that scum is in me, you or Alg (Postie confirmed).
I haven't hammered, so me and Alg can't be scum together. This means you are confirmed scum in Shannon's eyes.

[Vedith]

Posties didn't vote me when I was at L1. So Postie scum means it has to be me as her scum buddy.
If I was her scum buddy I would now hammer you and win the game.
It is impossible for Postie to be scum here.

[Vedith]

And to Alg, you are confirmed scum with me or Shannon as your buddy.
Basically, you are confirmed scum here regardless.

[Vedith]

This is when you tell me that I'm wrong, I guess.

[Vedith]

That only makes sense when you two aren't buddies

And you're buddies, like I said 100 times

You are at L1. If me and Postie are scum buddies, I can lynch you and we win the game.

[Vedith]

Postie, Alg, tell me when you're ready to end the day.

[Vedith]

I mean town obviously.
Postie is confirmed town as she could have voted me, meaning only me and her can be scum if she is, and I could have voted you.

Uh and I also could have voted anyone at any point, so it's not me?

(PS - the post I quoted above came at 4:19 AM my time, so as you were waiting for me to 'post before someone else and not hammer', you kind of mistimed that as I was in ZazzzZzzz land)

You didn't post when I had votes on me.
You are not clear.

[Vedith]

I think Vedith is trying to convince you that you should vote Aero or me, because TB isn't scum.

Wrong.
I'm saying that everyone's road points to Aero scum.
I am saying we lynch Aero.
You are tomorrow's lynch though.

[Vedith]

Vedith, convince me you aren't bussing real quick so I can pretend you're conftown.

How? Clearing people as scum isn't bright to do.
And the 2 people saying you can be scum should say enough.

[Vedith]

That means clearing people as town when I'm scum isn't too bright btw.

[Vedith]

Well, it's plausible from your point of view. But that would also mean that Aero was pushing my lynch over others today where a mis lynch is what scum want.
He didn't unvote me until Alg did, and his unvote was obivously for credit. Just unlucky for them Shannon hadn't posted at the time.

The only scum teams it is possible to be
Aero / Me
Aero / Alg
Aero / Shannon

The way Wyvernite and Aero discussed to the way Aero and Shannon did is a big strong tell in itself too though.

But the main factor here... Shannon has shown willing to vote you today. If me and Aero were scum, I could have posted a bullshit case on you, push to vote you and even let Shannon believe I was bussing where Aero could then hammer.
Lets face it, these guys were never going to work out why you're confirmed town.

[Vedith]

Another thing that just occurred to me - Are we sure this is a 2 person scum team? Newbie games are 7:2 and considered balanced with a max of 2 town PRs. If this is 5:2 and we've flipped a cop, we must have more power back there somewhere. Or - Is it possible that this is 6:1 and the scum has some kind of mechanic that helps? Like a dodge or something? IDK how this works but it seems weird that 7:2 and 5:2 could both be seen as balanced.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Super_Vanilla

[Vedith]

You were! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

I was a reaplcement and lynched day 1, what's your point on this?

[Vedith]

It's not unheard of doing most things in games.

[Vedith]

Point being, I wouldn't put it past you.

Ok

[Vedith]

I'm happy to see the back of Aeronaut

Change of tune, eh?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Vedith]

Nice Postie, we won!

[Vedith]

This must be a set up for the partner. Since postie is town, I think it has to be vedith

Don't be bad.
It's already proven to be Aero and Shannon.

If I was scum, kill you, leave Postie to play the reverse I would leave Postie blah blah and instant win and Postie was never lynching me over Shannon.

Shannon was trying to push away from Postie being confirmed and even tried to push for only 1 scum. It doesn't take a genius to add 1+1.

[Vedith]

Postie was always going to be the night kill because she was town confirm down every path.
Keeping Postie alive would have benefited both me or Alg as scum, as Postie was set on you being scum like I am.
All that Alg voting you proves is that I'm town, not that you are town.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Shannon

[Vedith]

This is a pretty good setup.
I was really worried about a tracker, but had to make the kill attempt.
If we had a jailor or doc that saved Postie (which I was actually hoping) we could have pushed for a scum no kill with a follow up lie of role.

[Vedith]

I was scum, sorry Shannon!

[Vedith]

Why on earth did you not lynch me yesterday then, instead of whatsisface?

Because you was never at L1?
And pushing to you would have been a lot harder considering Aero was confirmed scum. Lynching probably scum over confirmed scum means I get lynched.

[Vedith]

Postie was set on lynching Aero, and Alg was suspecting me and Aero already.
The best bet was to get town cred and sacrifice Aero.

I did say last night that Alg was going to suspect me and when he posted that it was probably me I thought it was over

[Vedith]

I wasn't sure if I should post first or not.
Re typed my message about 10 times with and without votes on Shannon :p

[Vedith]

This was a fun game and enjoyed it, even though it sucks getting lynched on DP1. Didn't DH tell you guys not to let Vedith's slot live through DP2? There's a reason he was NK'd!

In fairness, so many scum kill to setup players these days it's hard to take at face value.