Micro 659: Game Of Thrones S1E2 GAME OVER

[pirate mollie]

hey guys

wats going on

[pirate mollie]

can some1 plz give me a tl;dr version of what is going on

[pirate mollie]

okay so i read the game cos its short and

UNVOTE:

scumteam is likely either whitewalkers or lannister and just how the flavour discussion played out I am wondering

I love this flavour it is why I signed up.

I already wanna lynch wis

does any1 have a super good reason to lynch kraeg cos so far I am not seeing 1 my read on him is unsure and I don't see how any1 else has a different 1. is he being run up to see what happens? I think we played a game together I think? if it is the 1 I am thinking of he was hated and was run up there too but I don't really have a baseline for him yet.

[pirate mollie]

hey mollie

I think people want to lynch Kraeg because he threw up a "go ahead and lynch me, scum is on my wagon" response when I nudged his wagon along

are you thinking that his posting is townie or just not-scummy

I think it is not scummy.

can you walk me through your reads?

you have wis and cc as town and i don't see it.

[pirate mollie]

What claim? My vote is independent of your claim that you will vote him if he still doesn't post about the game.

I am not really sure why kuroi is giving this a pass.

anyhoo, I don't need to be explained to!

VOTE: kraeg

[pirate mollie]

she came into the thread with a defense on kraeg and a scumread on me and suddenly she's voting him

I didn't come into the thread with a defense of kraeg, I said I wasn't seeing how he was scummy based on what I was reading and on why he was being scumread.

plz don't fucking misrepresent me thnx.

I think that it is scummy that kuroi is asking for a claim and kraeg is acting like he has no idea what kuroi is talking about and then getting mildly hostile towards kuroi. the hostility looks fake. and I don't like him going after bbt, it looks like he is trying to deflect.

[pirate mollie]

your reasoning on BBT is literally "he's prod-dodging, means he's scum"

you can't possibly expect us to take this seriously

BBT is skilled enough that he would never resort to lurking, it's crystal clear that the prod dodging is happening because he actually doesn't have time for the game.

^ bingo

[pirate mollie]

I think that it is scummy that kuroi is asking for a claim and kraeg is acting like he has no idea what kuroi is talking about and then getting mildly hostile towards kuroi. the hostility looks fake. and I don't like him going after bbt, it looks like he is trying to deflect.

okay, I can agree with that.

What are your other reads? What happened to your read on me?

I never scumread you, I said I wanted to lynch you. I usually do until i can figure you out.

I don't have a confident grasp of the gamestate yet. just give me a minute.

@ kuroi

were you asking kraeg to claim? cos that is what it looked like to me. if you were then why are you letting his "confusion" slide and not clarifying what you meant?

@ cake boy

did you miss gl asking me the same thing that you did? cos it looks like you are not paying particularly close I mean it is not like this game is bombarded with an inflation of posts so whats up?

I don't have a grasp on cc and shadow at all, but I don't think I know them so

bbt needs to post

who am I missing

[pirate mollie]

so you said you wanted to lynch me without actually wanting to lynch me?

I honestly can't tell if you are srs or not.

I want to lynch for the reasons I stated. it was an auto-reaction for the reasons I stated. given our history of reacting to such twitches has not been fruitful...ever. so i waited. but put my concern out there until I saw a place where we intercected with our thoughts. which is what I always look for in you and I found it.

its almost like you have not seen me do this before.

srsly get a grip.

[pirate mollie]

and also im not liking mollie's posts so there's that

jesus I am already sorry I replaced into this game.

you did this exact same shit in a recently completed game. and what it landed was to divide town and cause us to lose and you still are doing the same thing.

I give up. fuck trying to play with you, there is no playing, you scumread me for stupid reasons that are not even based in reality, I get pissed and react, a herd of town scumread me cos they think I am flailing while not understanding there is a difference between townflail and scumflail and scum eat it up like candy cos they can get rid of via lynch or nk a strong player that YOU dismiss and then go on to win. rinse and repeat. you wld think after 4 fucking years you wld know better. cos the times when you have NOT done this we have won games.

get a grip

[pirate mollie]

all you said was "I already wanna lynch wis"
usually you have a reason for it, no?
here that's all you said, as if you just said it because you felt compelled to say it
and then poof, it's gone and you're sheeping me on the lynch you called not a good lynch

if you are town I want you to stop overreacting and help me see you are town.

I am going to react when you scumread me for dumb reasons after I have been in the game for like 24 hours asnd I make as throw away comment of wanting to lynch and you leap all over it like it is the holy grail scumpost in this game when I know that it is dumb and you keep doing this and keep being wrong.

you can't read me. period end of story. so the most logical thing to do is to sit back and give me a minute so that I dunno, mebbe I can interact with players other than you, so that I can get some reads. I can't play the game on the defensive and you know this so whenever you try to make me do it it demoralizes me and confuses me and makes me think you are scum everytime. I am trying to do something different.

[pirate mollie]

I think the a and s are stuck together on my keyboard

[pirate mollie]

lets sort me now

lets lynch me cos obvsly I am trying to cover for kraeg

cos if kraeg flips town I must be scum

cos if kraeg flips scum I must be scum with him cos that is why i was covering for him and then voted for him.

I mean obvsly I need not be in the game if I can be sorted by such diametrically opposed reasons that indicate that you guys can't sort me at all this early in the game. if ever.

I dunno, MEBBE SCUM ARE HANGING BACK AND WATCHING A SHITSHOW IN THE MAKINGS.

but who am I? I am scum no matter what kraeg will flip.

[pirate mollie]

then why is it wrong to try to sort mollie now if you're open to the possibility of her being scum?

My mollie read depends a lot on Kraeg's flip
Currently I lean town on her due to her reaction when you started pushing her

but who am I? I am scum no matter what kraeg will flip.

219

[pirate mollie]

Isnt wanting to give him a fair shot in line with not being ready for a lynch? I dont see a contradiction there

but kuroi didn't do anything when he gave space for kraeg to claim and kraeg didn't claim cos kraeg apparently misunderstood what kuroi was asking.

and instead of clarifying, he responded to you.

[pirate mollie]

Someone clarified for me.

where

[pirate mollie]

It means it's less useful.

sure, I will play along. how so?

[pirate mollie]

Well, goodluck scumreading mollie after I flip town.

what does this even mean

[pirate mollie]

Someone clarified for me.

where

162

uhm, no. that post in no way looks like gl clarified anything about kraeg misunderstanding that you were asking for a claim and that post you quoted was way before wrt what I am talking about.

I think it is kuroi and kraeg so I am good with either of them frying.

[pirate mollie]

Have you read the post, Mollie?
Because I think you just blindfolded yourself, put your hand onto the computer screen and tried reading that post like you're trying to read Braille.

lol, I was reading it from my phone and it didn't go all the way to the end of the post cos it was still unloading the page so I am on my computer and yeah, now I see it at the end and more clearly cos for some reason I thought gl posted 162. this is why I hate phoneposting but I am actually trying to get some stuff done today. but w/e

[pirate mollie]

and actually ugh. I know a player who refused to claim in a recent game and they were town.

kraeg is going about it very similarly

I need to rethink about things.

UNVOTE: kraeg

I really loved my kraeg/kuroi scumteam tho

[pirate mollie]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

your last posts are fake as shit. so what is your read on kuroi?

[pirate mollie]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

bullshit
refusing to claim is personality related and has nothing to do with alignment
it's just a weak excuse for you to leave the wagon

and I don't think that you are so incredibly stupid to have not learned 1 single thing from the last we completed.

like srsly are you?

I am not going to respond to you until you get your head out of your ass cos unlike you I don't want to drown the game in a stupid back and forth with you until I have a better grasp of the gamestate. if you are really being this obtuse and are town then I think that you really DO need to take a break, cos you are missing a lot of town cues from other players and in the last game you were too busy trying to scramble around trying to save face and salvage your ego instead of owning where you fucked up and learning from it. if you are scum carry on I guess.

@ every1 else:

it has been in my experience that town are more likely to refuse to claim than scum and based off of my recent experience where I had to watch a town player that I adore get crucified cos I was scum cos he was lynched based off of that and I don't want a repeat especially since I am town this game. if your experience is different than mine plz show me the error of my ways.

the only player that I have seen do that as scum is cupcake and well, ITS CUPCAKE.

@ kuroi - sure you can be scum but it won't be for the reasons that I thought that they were so I am starting from scratch with you.

[pirate mollie]

I am going to try to tone down from now on

[pirate mollie]

at least now I have pinpointed as to why I hate playing town in mafia as of late.

[pirate mollie]

Well yeah the stuff Kraeg was posting was unbelievably scummy and Shaddowez had good reactions soooo the conclusion there is obvious for me

If Kraeg is unbelievably scummy then why aren't you considering that he might be town?

gl makes a beep boop post.

I am reminded as to why I hate playing town in mafia.

gl seems to think that cake boy shld autoread super scummy behaviour as town while I am super suspicious of cake boy.

can I plz be lynched now

[pirate mollie]

I really don't want to stall a game until tuesday, which is when his next prod dodge is due.

/in before I must be scum with kraeg and bbt.

I am going to do this tho

VOTE: cake boy

cos I am not happy with him.

I am not happy with bbt either, its like I got all dressed up and he didn't show up

[pirate mollie]

what game did you play with kraeg? cos I did a meta dive on him and looked all 4 of his games (I was in 3 of them!) cos I wanted to chack which games we had together cos I knew there was a cple of them and you were in none of them. so why are you posturing a null read based on false meta?

[pirate mollie]

whoops, that is to cake boy. I didn't realize the significance of what cake boy said until shaddowz pointed it out and then I was like, "wait a minute, I didn't see cake boy in any of those games, what is he talking about?" and so I am asking.

I didn't get much from the meta dive tho, however there IS a huge difference in how he played in 1 of those games and the 1 here. I still need to go through 1 of them tho, but ugh, it was ugly. the other he made like 5 posts and then replaced out.

[pirate mollie]

pirate mollie I'm starting to dislike. Not doing stuff that's alignment indicative, feels scummy.

so lemme get this straight...trying to sort kraeg out (I am still unsure about him) by doing a meta dive, put pressure on cake boy, call him out on something that I had missed cos I realized that cake boy was not telling the truth and am leaving a gold mine of info based on my interactions but somehow I am...doing nothing that is alignment indicative?

yeah no

[pirate mollie]

I think mollie is scum tbh, talks a lot about stuff they're gonna do but it doesn't amount to much.

The points on Cakez hedging off don't make sense. I've expressed doubts like thst before - why is that scummy necessarily?

*mollie expresses suspicion on cake boy*
*mollie votes cake boy, a wagon is formed"
*mollie calls cake boy out on his false meta read on kraeg*
*mollie continues to vote cake boy*

lol

why do i get the feeling that rb is trying to sop up cake boy's spilled milk?

[pirate mollie]

Yes I was worried kraeg might be mislynch bait, I remembered mislymching him before at the time before I realized my meta was someone else.
You're just throwing shitty shade like shadowez now

this actually gets better and better.

in the only game that kraeg has modded conmannick was not in it. also, super short game since smudger was the only townie who was lynched, scum was lynched d2, scum was vigged n2, and scum!titus was lynched d3.

do you wanna change your story again?

[pirate mollie]

yo kuroi, pay attention. I have straight caught cak boy in a lie.

twice

[pirate mollie]

he is at L1 but I wanna hear what he has to say.

also I wanna talk to wis

[pirate mollie]

I'm up for a mollie or a BBT lynch.

so...I just wanna get this straight. you agree with my point on #329 about cake boy and are talking to me like I am town, but your lynch pool consists of me and bbt? do I have that right?

I mean, do you actually have reasons that you wld like to sputter out? lets start with that.

@ wis - there is something I want you to look at to see if I am barking up the wrong tree wrt cake boy, plus I want you to look at a piece of kraeg's meta.

[pirate mollie]

this is the game that I was in that I remembered being with kraeg:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32581

this is what I said about kraeg in that game:

how was shos trolling?

scorp and kraeg are lynchbait mebbe you should expand your horizons

he WAS lynchbait at first in that game. reck was on him like white on rice in under 5 pages and scum were all over it. I argued against his lynch and town moved on and towards the end of the game he began to really show up and shine, so I didn't regret saving him. we lost cos scum pulled a freaking kick ass gambit and they won a scummy for it.

I can't use 4 year old meta tho. and there isn't enough games to see how he has progressed. at least not under that account. I suspect he is an alt.

so I was not adverse to giving him space to see what he was gonna do, but then he went after bbt which I did not like. to me it looks like he is trying to piggyback on gl's suspicion off bbt. I don't have a read on bbt so

his adding me to the pool after rb has declared that he I am marginalized and he is not gonna really pay attention to my posts so therefore I must be scum looks opportunstic and makes rb look better if kraeg were to flip scum.

^ thats where I am at with kraeg rn. I have the other games if you wanna look at those.

my beef with cake boy is that I find it strange that he wld confuse the 2 players. but it is a niggle and not sure if I am pursuing a rabbithole or not. I just want to dblecheck my thinking here.

[pirate mollie]

i dont do cold meta, you know that

thats not what i am asking, i am asking whether you think my thought processes are off

[pirate mollie]

and idk about kraeg, he could be scum, he could be bad town. though in both cases I feel like he's worse than he should be given he's not a newbie.

he isn't. I think i thought that he was in the game I posted cos his lynch built so fast and because I thought that it was his first game or something. but his later posts in that game proved otherwise.

I am really not liking how he has been treating me as town yet has me up for a lynch. he isn't scumhunting at all, he looks like he is wanting to go wherever anybody else wants to go.

cake boy DID pull us off of each other so I kind of give him town points for that.

why are you being so quiet about kuroi?

[pirate mollie]

welp

[pirate mollie]

No. That blamed me.

*I SHOULD HAVE*

I have a responsibility to scum hunt and be skeptical.

so why didn't you?

I knew what you meant but I thought that it was a weird comment.

[pirate mollie]

cake boy can you plz talk to me

[pirate mollie]

can you tell me what you have so far plz? I srsly doubt that I will be nked. unfortunately.

I want wis to be town but I am unsure cos I am getting stonewalled in trying to form rapport with him. I am leaning largely on him being town tho.

I am sus of kraeg for reasons that I have stated.

shaddowz no read

kuroi I can't tell.

gl I am unsure. I lean town tho.

rb unsure. there really isn't much point to engaging him since I am fairly certain he just wants me out of the game. feels like personal, like he is an alt who doesn't care what my alignment is, he just wants me out of the game, regardless of what his own alignment is. <--- I need help with this 1. this is where I tend to lose the plot cos I can get tied up into either getting morose and doing nothing or stupidly tunneling on that. can you plz help me here?

who else is there

[pirate mollie]

rb always feels like that (the personal grudge thing), it's NAI
Honestly I think kraeg might be town now
I would lynch in bbt/wis/kuroi tomorrow but I'm biased because I'm pissed at getting mislynched AGAIN

why do you think kraeg might be town? and what about shaddowz?

if you are scum i will hunt you down and drop kick you in your kneecap

you can't have a read on bbt. so why is he in your scumpool?

[pirate mollie]

ugh. you are scum aren't you.

[pirate mollie]

I hate myself.

literally

[pirate mollie]

It's a good thing we didn't rush to hammer one of the more active and cooperative players in the game on Day 1 with almost 10 days of deadline left!!!

Haha, oh wait...

thank you for your help with your zero votes and your crappy foses.

I take it you will do nothing, posture relentlessly on d2 about your foses, any info that comes up your way you will studiously ignore and somehow this will uplift your case that is unlikely to be on any of the pple you said prior.

zzzzzzz

[pirate mollie]

like it'd take me 27 pages to explain to u how shit this town's d1 play is for a number of reasons and maybe i didn't iterate hard enough that cakez was a bad lynch but i guess ur determined to think i'm a bad player for wanting to actually utilize the deadline to get input from the less active slots and to get a lynch that would actually be good

i can't really help it if i'm working and not active enough to have big fights, but you can definitely not make shit votes and make bad speedlynches

I don't think you are a bad player. I don't even know who you are.

but I am noting that you have zero votes down and not much for determining anything except 1 of "mollie/kraeg scum" which is shit play and no better than not having any votes down if you are not super interested in pursuing anything else.

I have my suspicions of kraeg but how you are acting makes me not care.

^ this is solid. lynch me if it is so important to you to convince yourself that I am scum, I am not but I don't think the game will have a chance until you think otherwise.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: kraeg

or kuroi I am not picky. I am back to my kraeg/kuroi scumteam.

[pirate mollie]

not much has changed since the previous day round? I have him as unsure and a very light town lean but he has said a cple of things that have pinged for me but nothing that makes me go, "that is scum!".

[pirate mollie]

also shaddowz I didn't get much info out of the day round. rb, whom I am now going to start calling muffina2 so when I say "muffina2" I am talking about rb, is right the day was pretty rushed. I am working from cake boy's readslist and I am not happy that wis wldn't talk out the read with me. also I am noting that wis saying that he cannot read kuroi cos he has always said that he cld.

muffina2 was right to smack me upside the head about not letting speed lynches happen. I didn't get much off of interactions either, that is how I obtained my reads and I cannot play the game on the defensive as town, I cannot this is no big seekrit it is why I tend to scumread players when they start gunning for me early d1 for bs reasons.

sorry I don't have much.

[pirate mollie]

so i guess I will wait for shaddowz to get finished with v/la, and then mebbe bbt will be off of v/la and then mebbe all the rest of the players can not be on v/la and we can all play a game together at the same time.

that wld be nice.

[pirate mollie]

bbt will you plz do something

[pirate mollie]

bbt what are you doing

like I am srsly fighting the urge to vote you, I mean why are you fucking around?

if you are town cld you plz try to be helpful? saying mysterious things like "you know why" just looks like you are trying to match kuroi in ambiguous barbs and really don't do much. if you are town cld you plz at least try?

[pirate mollie]

No. We went over that. There's no real scenario that I could be scum. My role doesn't make sense with anyone except for a charsher who isn't even in episode two.

Am im about to give up on you, because you're not even trying to listen to reason.

can you 2 just spell it out ty

[pirate mollie]

kuroi I don't think that bbt is doubting that you are a neighbourizer (like where are you getting this from?) I think he is saying that your role fishing makes you look scummy to him.

did he ever reply?

[pirate mollie]

I swear I am going to spam the thread with my favourite GoT clips if pple don't start playing the game and make themselves more readable cos the stuff that is going on rn is not cutting it.

eta: kraeg scum neighbourizers exist, it is not an auto town role. I want more from them both especially from bbt as to why he thinks kuroi is scum other than, "he was role fishing and it felt wrong". I mean I feel like kuroi always does this. I can kind of see the town motivation behind neighbourizing bbt in order to get bbt more active and therefore more accountable but what I don't get is why he doesn't just say that and why is he doing nothing with it and god why am I having to pull teeth just to try to coax pple into playing the game that they signed up for. god I wish I was scum, this game wld be as easy to win as my last scum game.

kraeg, what is your read on me now? what is your read on any1 at this point?

[pirate mollie]

Staying on bbt.

is this in order to put pressure on bbt or do you really think that wld do this as scum?

[pirate mollie]

I'm not doubting you're a neighbourizer.

In my experience, neighbourizers have tended to be scum more than town.

where

@ kuroi - ros was not in s1 e2 so

[pirate mollie]

also if you told him that in the hood then why did you say that you asked him for a flavour claim and that nothing else happened if you are now saying that you explained to him why you can't be scum? are you talking to him in the hood now?

/ban all hoods

unless I am in them ofc then I am all for them. cos at least then I don't have to try to figure out what the heck other players are talking about or why they scumread each other and whether or not they are correct.

@ bbt do you have something meaningful to add to the game other than:

"kuroi is scum cos he asked me for my role"?

cos that wld be wonderful

eta: so what is being said in the hood cos neither of you are clearing anything up so far

[pirate mollie]

I'm now doubting BBT's innocence. I can't help but imagine that town would consider the other possibilities.

I invite

anyone

to tell me any scum, much less any town who could possibly a neighborizer.

The only other character that would make sense would be Hodor for being the guy who carries Bran, but Hodor would still never be scum.

I really don't get this song and dance about who can be scum or who cldn't based on flavour claims when the reasoning that you are using points to no, you are not cleared.

the white walkers are still present. a neighbourizor cld still be a white walker recruiting. or something. you are trying to clear yourself based on flavour that doesn't actually clear you.

here is me as a white walker recruiter in a game ages ago, pre-ms in my scum wb:

http://123.writeboard.com/gl32yos8dri5vbkf

pw: winteriscoming

the point that I am making while being super unsure that I am even remotely correctly making it, is that there is a chance that you cld be scum. and the fact that you are using flavour but being super weird, READ AS UNCANDID, about something you brought up in the first place looks like you are trying to hide when really all of your cards shld be on the table so that town can then, *I dunno* try to organize.

[pirate mollie]

bbt is scum

pretend that I am stupid, or better yet treat me like you think I already am, because I am super freaking stupid and n0t getting why you think so

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: wisdom

[pirate mollie]

What i dont know is who the buddy is

Kuroi is town and Kraeg is unlikely

Maybe shaddow

okay. lets walk this through

if bbt flips scum and you die n3 and you are town you are leaving the game w/o a trail for town to follow

cos your reads are shifty with not much to follow through on.

if bbt flips town then where will you go?

like you seem super lost, and I wld love to hear the reason as to why you feel this way, in order to make what you are doing more transparent.

cos what you are doing fits you into the scummy pile.

but then I have no idea what I am doing anymore

[pirate mollie]

NO

we are not letting this happen again.

can some1 plz unvote bbt

if this is some sort of reaction test I am all out of fumes. I don't even know what the vc is

[pirate mollie]

I don't even...

[pirate mollie]

gl has a point tho. this type of crazy weird ass logic usually DOES come from town. but

UNVOTE:

how are you guys feeling about shaddowz and kraeg. can we lynch kraeg? I still wanna lynch kraeg.

what is your read on me kuroi?

[pirate mollie]

gl has a point tho. this type of crazy weird ass logic usually DOES come from town. but

Does it? In a recent game scum-Kuroi admitted to being crazy on purpose so that he gets townread

do you wanna lynch him then? cos I really don't like that he is saying that he is town cos there is no scum character role for a scum neighbourizer when he knows that radja provides fakeclaims. like, no.

also I agree with bbt that there is no way kuroi cld have townread bbt. like, no again.

the only other player I am down with lynching other than him wld be kraeg, I think.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie/Kuroi look like great lynches so far.

uhm

so why do you think i am scum

[pirate mollie]

like I really get the feeling that bbt isn't reading the game

[pirate mollie]

Well, I just read your 194 and now I'm doubting it.

If you can fake that as scum then I'll not be happy.

Some of the scum read on you comes from Exp. But from yourself, I didn't like your flip on the Kraeg wagon (you say you didn't 180, but you did). You seemed like you were against the wagon at first, or at least wanted some clarification from it, and then you jumped on with two people you were scum reading/unsure of (Wis and CC).

no, I did not do a 180 flip on the kraeg wagon. I had no read on him and was asking what other pple were seeing that I wasn't. gl even clarified with me about this by asking me if it was that I didn't have a scumread on him or if I had him as town. I answered and said that I didn't think what he did was super scummy.

I started scumreading him cos of his interactions with kuroi and how it looked like super awkward between the 2. then cake boy happened.

I never scumread wis. I have been over this with wis. I tend to scumread wis when he goes after me on d1 cos he of all pple shld know that I can't do shit if I have to play the game on the defensive. but I backed off of him COS I KNOW I HAVE THE TENDENCY TO DO THAT AND i AM TRYING TO CHANGE THAT.

this is why I feel like you are not reading the game.

VOTE: I don't like 185 either - that feels like a super weak reason to push someone. I thought Kraeg's posting around Kuroi's intent to hammer looked fine and I'm surprised you (and nobody else) had a problem with Kuroi asking for a claim 5 pages in on somebody he hadn't even read up on.[/quote]

I think kuroi was acting scummy with saying he wld hammer. he also demonstrated that he was not paying attention to cake boy what at the time I thought was lying cos he didn't act like he was paying attention at all. cos somehow he missed all of that.

I think it is kraeg and kuroi, I keep going back to this and I am wondering if I might be right for a change. but you are freaking me out cos it really seems like you aren't even reading the game, you are just tossing crap out there to see what sticks. having said that, i think I am likely only going to lynch within kuroi/kraeg this day round.

altho

@ wis - do you think that kuroi acts scummy as town on purpose to pad his scumgames? cos I brought this up in twd and I wonder

[pirate mollie]

sorry broken tags

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I believe you wis. is it shaddowz and kraeg?

it has to be 1 of those 3, kraeg/shaddowz/kuroi.

I really feel like bbt is just reading my posts either in iso and out of context or he is reading them in a very shallow way. I felt like muffina2 did this as well so my twitch at him might be just that and might be throwing up a false positive. I know that you don't have him sorted yet, i am just telling you that I think he is town.

I feel like scum are hanging and waiting for town to go after each which is what I think my townreads are doing. kraeg is MIA and I dunno shadowz feels robotic and I don't see any moveablity or growth with her scumread on gl. I think you asked her earlier as to why she has him as scum? I thought she answered and then you asked her why gl was in the lynchpool. I feel like her scumread of him is too sticky and that is a trait more often found in scum I think than town.

but ugh kuroi

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: shaddow

I think it's shaddow and kraeg

I love you.

is it because

a) kraeg is using low post count as a reason to scumread pple
b) both shaddowz and kraeg are soft fosing each other while voting lion
c) poe
d) all of the above

I pick d, but I want to explore b a bit first. do you think that they wld both be piling on lion at the same time? they defo both fit the 1 on 1 off theory on eod vca. I just wonder why they wld both push lion at the same time, I mean who do they really think will bite? I mean I guess kuroi is. but I am not lynching him, you are not lynching him, I dunno.

that is the only thing that gives me pause. and trust me I am not oppose to the lynch at all I just want to make sure I have a strong template to work from by looking at all angles of this.

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and the other thing that gives me pause is that kraeg has committed like 15 levels of vt tells.

I keep forgetting about that.

inb4 "MOLLIE IS ROLEFISHING" cos I am not. I am just explaining as to why I think he might be town and I want to explore that. and make sure that I am not overlooking anything.

eta: xpost - gotcha. but do you think that they wld both be likely to push lion at the same time?

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i dont see why not

kraeg hasnt really pushed lion, he's voting BBT

oh wait, he is, for some reason I thought his saying he thought lion was scummy was accompanied by a vote.

yeah, it seems like it but ffs the hypocrisy and not wanting to claim tells make me go ugh. those are hard to let go.

I going to vote with you but I see how shaddowz responds first.

[pirate mollie]

yo

there are some outstanding questions for you bud!

[pirate mollie]

I've already answered Kuroi's question. Not gonna answer other questions.

and why not?

[pirate mollie]

GL - Other than BBT's lack of contributions, what arguments do you have for him as scum? The only other place you've voted toDay is Kuroi, and since they're basically scum reading each other I'm interested in why BBT right now, other than the fact his wagon was larger at the time.

He made it a point not to do anything on D1, and then turned this around to misrep me when I started calling him out for it on D2. I pointed out the misrep twice and he still has not addressed it. I also don't like the way BBT used Kuroi asking about flavor in the neighborhood thread to justify his push on Kuroi, it's what I would expect scum to do to capitalize on a potential mislynch because it's not information that we all have access to so twisting Kuroi's posting/motives is significantly easier and can't really be challenged directly by anyone.

there has been a lot of other stuff that has happened and I wld really love see your thoughts on them. and an updated readslist from you wld be great.

[pirate mollie]

BTW, irrelevant to scum hunting, but I love your new avatar Mollie. That Harley drives me wild.

she is so me in mafia games lol

[pirate mollie]

also I wld like to hear other pple's thoughts on kraeg refusing to answer questions.

cos basically he is refusing to play the game at this point.

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How is that refusing to play the game? I just tend to pick questions to answer. It's not like I'm not gonna post my thoughts or vote.

it absolutely is refusing to play the game. refusing to answer questions or claim or do much of anything is defo not playing the game. especially when the game is as dead as it is, you are not doing 1 thing to move the game forward except to vote.

I have no idea what your read on me or any1 else is. and shaddowz asked you if you had a scumgame on site. these are 2 basic, simple questions.

@ kuroi - I will after tomorrow! <3

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I find it strange that Kuroi unvoted me.

opinions on kraeg and shaddowz tia

[pirate mollie]

I find it strange that Kuroi unvoted me.

opinions on kraeg and shaddowz tia

You find everything I fucking do strange.

I'm really trying hard to not ignore you.

Please try to meet me half way.

uhm

you addressed bbt in this post, but cld you plz answer my question ty

[pirate mollie]

welp

so i am gonna vote shaddowz but I want to wrap up some loose endz before we end the day.

here is what I have so far:

wis - town, strongest townread, town town and more town on top of that. there are too many areas where our thoughts overlap. yanno, that thing I always look for in games where town moves in herds and stuff. also if shaddowz flips scum i think shadd was cosying up to wis with dat hardtown read right off the bat.

lion - I am not as confident as wis is in calling him town cos of lion's standoffish approach but I think it is a playstyle thing. I liked his and wis's mindmeld at key points in the game, plus I felt exasperated with lion's black and white approach so I am leaning very town on him.

this is where it gets murky:

kuroi - his trajectories look intentionally all over the place and that does not make me happy. unsure.

kraeg - I cannot tell if he is being stubborn awful town or going for the too scummy to be scum sort of thing as scum. if he is town I am going to shame nun him forever and ever.
shame nun:

Spoiler:

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5771 ... e-bell.gif

if shaddowz flips scum then kraeg might be town based on interactions with her.

bbt - my heart is broken. he might very well be scum if shadd flips scum.

if shaddz flips town then I can't even. radja most likely has given every1 a post restriction except for me and wis that said, "must be as uncooperative and apathetic as possible: your town" cos that will be the only thing that makes sense.

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oi! I messed up the quote tags

here is the shame nun in all of her glory with the bell:

Spoiler:

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more or less. I was gonna wait for a cple of things first like a vc

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I've been on two main people, Mollie - Shaddowez and BBT.

How have my trajectories been all over the place?

I have zero idea what town reads you have. like I am very unclear as to your thoughts on the gamestate.

like I wanna hear how you are processing your thoughts rn

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yeah ok
you dont quickhammer without a claim as town

I didn't get the impression that shaddowz had any intention of claiming. did you?

I didn't include this in my analysis cos I didn't think it was apropos since I don't know what shaddowz will flip. but shaddowz and bbt both did the same thing of asking a question w/o ever doing a follow-up. shaddowz asked for a scumgame from kraeg and bbt asked if emotional manipulation was something you did as scum. I am pretty sure that you are town so mebbe kraeg is 2. this smells like a bus as did shadd's earlier vote on bbt for spurious reasons earlier. but all this speculation depends on what shaddz will flip.

[pirate mollie]

hhmmm...

wis why the turn around on lion? also I thought you didn't know the flavour so why are you making an assumption that cersei wld be a role cop?

@ kurloi

I wld like to hear your unfiltered thoughts on the gamestate. w/o the trolling or deliberate obtuseness tia

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you thought wrong, i know the flavor

and shaddow flipped Jamie, meaning Cersei is the other one

yeah I just isoed you and yeah you did mention that you thought that jamie and cersei were the villians early.

the only reason I am not going fullblown paranoid on you is cos scum HAS left us alive before until late in the game. bbt still doesn't make sense tho...venge's are usually terrible for town and help scum so i am iffy on the role cop theory but mebbe.

are scum hoping that we will turn on each other?

and can you explain your reasoning on the lion turn around?

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Kuroi neighbourized me and first thing he asks for is flavour. Felt all kinds of wrong.

It is interesting how you're not even considering I could be scum though.

hhhmmm...

so kuroi were you a 1 shot? what happened in the hood last night?

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Kuroi neighbourized me and first thing he asks for is flavour. Felt all kinds of wrong.

It is interesting how you're not even considering I could be scum though.

hhhmmm...

so kuroi were you a 1 shot? what happened in the hood last night?

Well, I lost someone then gained someone.

who did you gain?

[pirate mollie]

also, I just ISO'd shaddow and I further don't think Kraeg is his buddy based on his posts

I said this yesterday. are you not reading my posts?

[pirate mollie]

yesterday shaddow hadnt flipped

hhhmmm...meh

okay. I wanna know who kuroi neighbourized and I wanna hear from lion and kraeg.

[pirate mollie]

yeah no you did not say yesterday who you gained as a "partner" during last night's night round.

discuss

wis why do you have kuroi as town when you have admitted in this game that you cannot read him?

eta: xpost

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ill be less cryptic actually

he neighborized me.

look at post 640 and tell me that level of obtuseness does not look fake as shit.

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also I wld like an answer as to what happened to your lion read and also what purpose did you accomplish by calling kuroi town if you don't actually think he is town?

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OK. I'm beginning to want to vote Mollie now.

if you are town I already think you are a VI at this point you do not have to go out of your way to prove it.

the thing is that is 1 too many facts of the game that you are trying to obfuscate and I think all of your bullshit is a facade at this point

[pirate mollie]

i answered to you twice about Lion

i wanted to make him think im townreading him to see what he'd do in the hood
i didnt really get much from that

why wld you do that on d3? it doesn't make sense. usually you are pushing for a massclaim at this point.

also I do not remember you ever asking me for my opinion before. its obvs you didn't read or pay attention to my post yesterday, so why do you act like you care now?

and if you are scumreading lion cos the bbt nk doesn't make sense coming from kraeg then why did you not include kuroi in that analysis? was that part of your seekrit plan?

you are not making sense here and I am trying to understand your play

[pirate mollie]

So what I'm getting from Mollie is, "If you don't agree with me, you're stupid. All of you are stupid. I'm the only smart one here."

you are a VI if town cos you can't seem to keep your story straight for 5 seconds and come up with really weird, incredibly stupid reasons as to why which do NOT make sense and I have been saying this all game. like wis and I had a CONVO about this and he said that you admitted that you play dumb as scum cos you get townread for it. wis even posted the link as to where you said this.

and you ARE playing dumb, no question about it. its just a question of whether or not you scum pretending to be dumb town or if you are dumb town who is trying to pad their scum games. I cld buy the latter since I believe I have seen you say that your preferred alignment is scum.

eta: wis, kk. man, that makes me feel relieved cos I was feeling the warm fuzzies with you.

[pirate mollie]

Also interesting.

I'm curious how I went to strong town to scum enough for a vote.

I am curious as to how wis said he had an inno on me and yet you wanna vote me for omg reasons

[pirate mollie]

I already told Kuroi about me having an inno on you, so him saying he wants to vote you makes no sense (I'd also have to be scum if you were) and his "interesting" is bullshit

I never said I scum read her. I said I wanted to vote her because she's annoying me with the way she's playing the game.
But I wouldn't. I thought this was obvious, especially to you.

bullshit

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Well, Kraeg isn't by any means clear.
And you could still be scum.
Technically, Mollie could still be scum.

Coincidentally, I just listed my reads from scum to town. (Of course after Guilty Lion)

this post right here is why if you are town you are indeed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a VI

I am starting to think you are scum tho

[pirate mollie]

also i just have to point out that in the same post you're thinking I could be scum yet are also sure I am going to die tonight

lmao

[pirate mollie]

just so that there is no misunderstanding, I am going to vote for kuroi

but I wld like lion and kraeg to chime in first

[pirate mollie]

you should
Kraeg is so shallow that he didnt even realize mollie is conftown

if I have to put up with trying to unravel awful town in this game I am so glad that I have you to suffer right along with me.

kraeg also missed that I said that I was gonna vote shadd but I was waiting to hear from the outliers like lion and kraeg.

like I said, "consider my vote on shaddz" and I said what I was waiting for.

like I can't even.

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Can you please not talk to me like I don't even understand a thing?

Yeah I know you declared your intent to hammer shaddz but it never happened and my reasoning is based on the theory that the scum would have bus'd his scum partner last day. An intent does not suffice so by PoE, I'll still consider you.

And yeah, I know you also called the flavor discussion useless but you were on the shaddz wagon which is why I cannot use that against you.

Seriously this game isnt about finding the best player in this site to criticize people how they're playing. This game is all about survival, and we're not really gonna go anywhere if you'll just criticize how bad or shallow everyone is.

For me it's just PoE at this point. If you want Kuroi, Ill consider voting him tomorrow if I'm still alive.

wis has an inno on me.

what part of this are you not understanding.

I stated an intent to hammer shaddz. bbt hammered before I had a chance to.

like how in the world are you missing these 3 statements, specifically the first 1.

[pirate mollie]

yo kraeg

do you wanna address the part where wis has an inno on me

[pirate mollie]

kraeg, why isn't kuroi scum

[pirate mollie]

KuroiXHF is not scum and this isn't a bastard game, so...

VOTE: kuroi

[pirate mollie]

kraeg plz

omg

[pirate mollie]

Let's just lynch and see how GL or Kuroi flips.

wis and I are on kuroi.

you cld yanno, take a hint

[pirate mollie]

gg; gl mollie otherwise

wat

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

not until I get I get an explanation from wis

[pirate mollie]

and i said, good game, good luck mollie if not

okay I read it as gl = guilty lion

and it didn't make sense

[pirate mollie]

I still think there is a good chance that kuroi is scum cos he was trolling before he was hammered and it just looks like he is continuing to troll afterwards.

[pirate mollie]

I still think there is a good chance that kuroi is scum cos he was trolling before he was hammered and it just looks like he is continuing to troll afterwards.

I'm so fucking glad you're not scum because you're saying all the things scum would say.
Instead, you're just either paranoid/crazy or very silly and I can't tell which.

But yeah, GuiltyLion is scum.

uhm

I am not the 1 who can keep their stories straight. I straight up asked that if you were town cld play towards yout wc but YOU decided to troll instead.

[pirate mollie]

eta: and it makes me sad cos I was warming up to you.

[pirate mollie]

oh boy

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also its mass claim time. shlda done it yesterday.

hodor vt

[pirate mollie]

I only give out my tells to hydra partners.

but this 1 is a good 1 and so far is pretty accurate.

but I am gonna wait for kraeg

[pirate mollie]

I am kinda hoping for more than 1 post from you each.

[pirate mollie]

Welp, I was kinda hoping I don't need to explain why GL is scum. Like I've said, I do not think that shadow's scum buddy bussed him. The wagon on him formed quickly and the cases against him wasn't that much compelling to merit him being bussed. It only came from reads which can be easily refuted and the attention that time can easily be redurected to BBT or me or to any other player. It's not like there's a cop here who announced that he got a scum result on shaddow, in which case his scum partner would be left with no choice but to bus him.

At that time when shadow was at L-1, GL posted that he townreads shadow. Also, even though Wisdom seem to be the most active and the one who contributes a lot in this game, he never got killed until last night because he roleclaimed. If you go back to Wisdom's reads you'll see that he townread GL since D1 and it would make sense for scum GL to keep someone like him alive.

I wanted us to work things out cos I wanted to understand you better and as to why you played the way that you did.

I am sticking with my read on you wrt shaddowz; she didn't treat you like a scummate, she treated you like a potential lynch. her suspicion on lion came out of nowhere and she dropped it like a hot potato when I started pushing on you.

I don't really get your stubbornness or why you refused to work with anybody except kuroi in little bits. but I guess it is not needed cos I really don't see a world where lion is town.

I hope that this is the correct choice.

VOTE: guilty lion

[pirate mollie]

ty for being my rock wis

sorry I mislynched you cake

I will work on it.

[pirate mollie]

ty for the game radja! <3

[pirate mollie]

we shoulda killed Wisdom n1 too, in hindsight

lol