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UNVOTE: mariar yo i reread everything and my replacement is on fucking point, this game is really really really easy and roark is the most obvious lynch by a mile since im lucky enough to be replacing a slot that was fosed, i can literraly give a ml back to the town @mariar, trust me girl i aint no mafia and tier towntold plenty before the flip. BBmolla seems scummy but like tier said, his play ISNT of alone mafia trying to survive the whole game, i aint lynching him. Jester was obv town but i can see why he got lynched. Mariar was a bit wierd d1 but towntelling, i can see thats cuz she was pr. The teapot honestly i havent read shit LOL, his first 3-4 posts were on goddam point and im not voting him for a while.
We are speedlynching Roark into smoothblue and then we will see, i am 100% @jester and mariar. My firsts posts in this game were completly genuine while i didnt even know who fliped and what not. Flubber insisted that fire was mafia when he didnt have any attention, this is really towny to me and i overall agree with everything tier said all game, the only reason why hes fosed its cause he sounds a bit awk, i dont-
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Also for overall town mechanics, heres is how i view the game and i would like input if im wrong since i never played with arsonists on mafiascum, i am from em.
D1 : 7 town, 2 scum, (1 pr firefighter ?)
N2 : 6 town, 1 ignited town but mariar self firefitghter , 1 scum -> 7 town 1 scum
D2 : 7 town, 1 scum (atm)
N3: 6 town, 1 scum, MariaR ingited
---------- speculations----------------
(A) best case
D4: 6 town, 1 scum, MariaR ingited
N4: (a) 5 town, 1 scum, MariaR dead
D4: (a) 5 town, 1 scum
N5: (a) 3 town, 1 scum, 1 ignited
D5: (a) 3 town, 1 scum, 1 ingited [Ignited is lynched]
N6: (a.1) 2 town, 1 scum, 1 ingnited MYLO
D7: (a.1) 2 town, 1 scum, 1 ingnted MULO [Ignited is lynched]
N8: (a.101) 1 town, 1 scum, 1 ingnited LYLO
(B) worst case
N4: (b) 4 town, 1 scum, MariaR, ignited + 1 town, Mariar miss ingnited
D5: (b) 4 town, 1 scum, 2 ingnited [Lynch outside ignited]
N5: (b) 3 town, 1 scum FIRE ?
i dont want to go too much into details not to give cues to mafia btw, but the end is obscure-
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''Arsonists have a single factional night action. They may choose to prime a single target, or to ignite all previously primed targets.
Firefighter blocks the priming of a target ONLY on the night in which they are being primed.
Trees become Tree-stumps upon being lynched, allowing them to continue posting in the thread.
Firefighter, Trees, Tree-stumps, and Arsonists are all vulnerable to being primed and ignited.
Players are not told when they are primed, Arsonists are not told if the priming was successful.
Tree-stumps cannot vote, and do not count as a vote for endgame purposes.''-
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You know what teapot, at first i did click on a few posts from tier and other people on special posts that i wanted to comment on, i remember one of the posts was about all the town who were on the flubber wagon and all the town being on mine here and honestly, it does preoccupies me, this should be an easy town win if not, mafia is higly townread imo or something-
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@wifam to be fair for you, i reread first 5-6 pages and while BB and fire voted the same guy d1 (non-team telling) and then fire voted BB after that, they never actually talked about the vote or the fos fire had on BB even tho fire said it was a ''more serious vote'' maybe im giving too much leniency and he actually just gave up-
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In post 370, Fire Assassin wrote:Town:
Maria
Jester
Town lean:
FlubberShould be town too*
[teapot]<- added by cloudkicker for #375Should be town
Null:
VifamShould be town*
SmoothToday's lynch
Scum:
Tier
Bbmolla?
In post 375, Fire Assassin wrote:
Reuben leans town for me.In post 373, Vifam wrote:You forgot a person in your list
This should clear my slotIn post 382, Fire Assassin wrote:
Vote tier, dumb dumb.In post 380, MariaR wrote:Fire can you go into detail with your reads I need to sheep :3-
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I revised my other post about mechanics as to see how much room we got left and in the worst case scenario we still got a ml, so 2 100% safe lynches since a town lynch outside ignited would goIn post 658, CloudKicker wrote:
D4: 6 town, 1 scum, MariaR ingited
D4 : 5 town 1 scum mariar + 1 town ignited
D4 start: 5 town 1 scum, mariar + 1 town ignited-> D4 lynch : 4 town, 1 scum, 2 ignited-> N4: 3 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited
D5 start: 3 town 1 sum 3 ingited -> D5 lynch: 2 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited ->N5: 1 town, 1 scum, 4 ignited
D6: LYLO
Technically we have 2 mls ?-
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Fire probably did expect to get lynched early on because he got a lot of attention, his list then proably was engineered in a way that he knew town would reread into etc obviously, so that in the event hes not lynched, his partner still keep a somehwat good position from fire's pov and if hes lynched, then his partner is not in his top TR as it would make it too obvious.In post 684, CloudKicker wrote:In post 370, Fire Assassin wrote:Town:
Maria
Jester
Town lean:
Flubber :Didnt hammer howard and wanted more time to read, being cautious is a behavior expect for mafia who wants to survive 4 lynches
teapot <- added by cloudkicker for #375I personally think that this is the towniest slot, Jester agree
Null:
Vifam :Didnt hammer howard and tried to flip onto bb, being cautious is a behavior expected for mafia who wants to survive 4 lynches
Necessity lynch like teapot pointed outSmooth
Scum:
Should be clear for at least 1 more mls because i was the fire counterpush when he was getting lynchedTier
Bbmolla?Hard townread by Jester
Some considerations:
I believe flubber is town, he was also the counter wagon to fire, over both bb and vifam here. BB had wierd ass itneractions with fire at the beginning, he defended him and then flip floped, fire outed a sr on him while bb imo tried to protect fire which makes 0 sens as mafia trying to pocket town, so imo fire just wanted to either throw shade at town (imo what happened) or to distance himself from partner (having day talk that would make this play really bad).
For teapot, he outed in his first post to get fire with very tryhard post, i really really doubt that mafia would hardbus THIS hard on arsonist partner d1, this is completely paranoid to think that, he also tried to flip whatever wagon back to fire with another long ass post, no way this is scum imo.
Vifam, well he did some wierd things but he was overall towny. Some of his posts comes off as ungenuine tho, some ppl said he tried to counter wagon onto someone else over fire, i would have to reread to be sure.
My 2 mls would be vifam into BB into flubber vs teapot for lylo-
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In post 189, Vifam wrote:
Yeah GGIn post 181, The_Jester wrote:Ok so that's it? The scumteam's Fire and Reuben, the first two people who stood out? Seems a bit too easy, doesn't it?
Im still not fond of FA's play and I dont know why the wagon on him is slowing down, he hasn't really been town and his vote on Tier was pretty bad. Plus he went from Maria being his topscumread like a page ago and now all of a sudden he's townreading her on this page. Because of ego or something
Reuben's post about me cockblocking doesn't make sense cuz I never stopped BB from doing anything, I just asked a question. Then he goes on to say that a joke post I made was out of self-consciousness or something, he's completely over exaggerated those posts and it's scummy.
The best lynches at the moment imo are Fire, Reuben, and BB
Those quotes makkes vifam pretty towny, im really unsure atmIn post 177, Vifam wrote:Fire isn't playing with a gimmick I don't see how being an alt changes anything
Reuben's earlier stuff about me is shitty he's also scum and a good lynch-
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In post 695, CloudKicker wrote:
I revised my other post about mechanics as to see how much room we got left and in the worst case scenario we still got a ml, so 2 100% safe lynches since a town lynch outside ignited would goIn post 658, CloudKicker wrote:
D4: 6 town, 1 scum, MariaR ingited
D4 : 5 town 1 scum mariar + 1 town ignited
D4 start: 5 town 1 scum, mariar + 1 town ignited-> D4 lynch : 4 town, 1 scum, 2 ignited-> N4: 3 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited
D5 start: 3 town 1 sum 3 ingited -> D5 lynch: 2 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited ->N5: 1 town, 1 scum, 4 ignited
D6: LYLO
Technically we have 2 mls ?
Im pretty sure i counted that in my worst case, as if 1 townie outside was ingnited + mariar so 2 firefighter misses.In post 705, ReubenWasFine wrote:
Yesterday you said you felt much better with a bb lynch over howard. If we covered our eyes and pretended the howard lynch didn't happen, wouldn't you be voting bb?In post 704, Vifam wrote:Idk who but it's someone else
@cloud
With day 1 pr we should assume scum asked the mod if maria could self protect. If we haven't lynched an ignited townie and maria hasn't protected anyone we do not have any more mislynches.
Yea okay i forgot 1 ingnited, technically i believe we have 1 mls then its mylo in worst case-
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I reread everything, flub made really a+ key post againts FA that i dont see scum doing and was first to vote him + the counterwagon <- should be clear no?
Teapot made A+ long ass books about why fire was mafia out of the fucking blue without any gain in the near future whatsoever, that would mean a complete bus for town cred, i believe he even invented the wagon on fire as a thing one time d1 when the fire scumread lost some steam <- i cant just lynch the guy
Vifam, idk, i think his tone was great all game and he constantly pushed FA all d1, he did a few things scummy like unvoting on him but i seriously think this is town too <- if hes scum, hes really good and did a great job imo
BB urg, it think i might want to want to lynch him idk, i feel like hes the most obvious mislynch ever but i kinda hard tr everyone else
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@Jester
""I'm also not sure if I believe your "genuine reads" in your catch-up post cause you spent a lot of time saying you townread people who were already confirmed town. Yeah, you said you "didn't see" but what proof do I have? For scum it's much easier to talk about townreads than scumreads.
Not liking this post either
In post 668, CloudKicker wrote:
@ jester, i dont know, i dont actually expect him to flip mafia from the deep of my heart, i just seriously believe that hes the best lynch atm and that its really really fine to use mls like that when you lynched mafia d1"
When i voted mariar up to my 2 game-related post, it was all 100% genuine, i did townread you for the very first pages or so, like below 5 then i eventually checked the flips. This is all information that i give freely to the town to get them to read me better and understand my reads better with context. With my 2nd post with the flip, i said thats the moment i knew you fliped later into the day, theres really close to no insensitive to mafia to give this kind of info but you can bank that on you implying i could do this as town as to look genuine, implying it looked genuine etc. Bottom of line, even if im scum its not by nitpicking my post that you will find out-
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From #712 to #716, i used 1h of my life at 5h am to reread 25 pages of forum mafia and all i outed from this, are that
1. im not sure the next lynch target is actually mafia and 2. that i actually somehwat townread everyone but bb. If i used that time as scum i wouldve come up with a solid ass post about why anyone on this table is scum and a good lynch, i wouldnt just hard tr everyone but the weakest link on table with a town ML, this is not my scum play-
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I completely forgot 1 complete night in my initial postIn post 658, CloudKicker wrote:
D1 start : 7 town, 2 scum -> D1 lynch : 7 town, 1 scum -> N1 : 6+1 town, 1 scum
D2 start : 6+1 town, 2 scum -> D2 lynch : 5+1 town, 1 scum -> N2 : 4+2 town, 1 scum
D3 start : 4+2 town, 1 scum -> D3 lynch : 3+2 town, 1 scum -> N3 : 2+3 town, 1 scum
D4 start : 2+3 town, 1 scumATM WORST CASE LYLO-
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Maybe yall wont like it but, from content alone i think teapot its really really towny. Flub should be clear because he was FA 1st counterwagon and he wanted him gone and flub sred FA genuinely. Vifam also did that, sred FA consistently for a few pages. The only hick here is why would FA townread teapot when all teapot is doing, is shitting bible-long post about why hes mafia? Im not here to throw shade or anything but this is odd, he also considerably lacked interactions and he even forgot teapot in his read list-
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He wanted to lynch my slot based on Tier's play, not mine. Changing his mind from a replacement town slot is pretty town, he could just push the idea that im just a better scumplayer and yada yada, he never did throw shade at me imo. Also, he didnt instantly vote for roark, he tried to get bb before the lynch so that arguement is flawed jesterIn post 738, The_Jester wrote:Alright Vifam but it still looks pretty bad. So you were ready to lynch Tier, then decided: nevermind, Molla it is! But you changed your mind again and went with Howard who was fotm. Pretty opportunistic, wouldn't you say? I've seen you call people town or scum this game but I don't really see the motivation and analysis behind it. Also that phrasing "willing to let Tier get lynched" looks pretty iffy. Aren't you a part of us?-
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Im not seeking towncred, if i was mafia i am winning this game regardless because i can manipulate mariar extremely well so banking on me being town is how you should process and i dont know who i want to lynch like i said, i expected more mls and tbh i wouldnt have lynched roark if i thought it would lead to possible lylo, i was wrong on my mechanics thingy a few times and no one corrected me ;-; roark was mostly a policy lynch for me-
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In post 173, Flubbernugget wrote:
I'm not sure what an alt account has to do with anythingIn post 146, The_Jester wrote:I'm starting to think my issue with Maria also is more playstyle based rather than caused by her actual scumminess so I'm gonna take a step back and decide on her when I see more content.
VOTE: Flubber
Feel like his scumhunting's only superficial and isn't really analysing the game. Usually happens when somebody already knows other people's alignments. Also I strongly dislike his jump on the Fire wagon (wanted Molla to help me judge it but he refused to comply, bummer).
Edit: ninja'd
I think Fire's pretty likely to be scum this game, his town meta is different, at least as experienced by me. But we gotta keep in mind this is an alt account. I don't wanna jump on his wagon just yet.In post 174, Flubbernugget wrote:
I dont understand why you aren't voting for your biggest scum read hereIn post 167, Fire Assassin wrote:I am back. So far biggest scum read right now is Maria for a few posts but I am hesitant to say that is strong due to my concerns over her style being very situational as I have seen from here.
Tier pointing at trying to move things out of RVS and call it scummy is straight lie. It has however moved us out of RVS.
That being said my vote on BBMolla is wasted:
VOTE: TiershiftIn post 218, Flubbernugget wrote:
So he has even less to hide behind when he exhibits scum tellsIn post 179, The_Jester wrote:@Tier @Flubber you don't need a gimmick to change the little things in your playstyle
I intend to take this into consideration, you do as you wantIn post 15, Fire Assassin wrote:I don't really want to shit post on here.
Not the purpose of this account.
I would like you to elaborate on how you are factoring this inIn post 219, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 184, Fire Assassin wrote:
I don't play gimmicks, it's a very different play style.In post 177, Vifam wrote:Fire isn't playing with a gimmick I don't see how being an alt changes anything
Reuben's earlier stuff about me is shitty he's also scum and a good lynch
I don't agree with people using my other account as basis to read me.
This is the exact kind of "shallow" scum hunting your other account isIn post 186, Fire Assassin wrote:
Okay this is what I was looking for.In post 185, MariaR wrote:Fire if I was scum I'd be running circles around you and you know it.
Maria is town. The level of ego is a town tell.infamous for
I put "shallow" in quotes because I don't like its implications of poor play, but I can't think of another word for it right now.
This kind of controversial play is expected from your main so I'm not sure why you would employ it here.In post 326, Flubbernugget wrote:
With the exception of 221 and 220, my last posts before being sick were all on fire. So this is objectively wrong.In post 256, TierShift wrote:I don't think fire assassin is scum here at all. Yet there are two people staying on the wagon no matter what without evolving reads, namely vifam and flub.
I think I want to lynch flub. He doesn't even talk about FA in his latter posts anymore, just letting his vote stay where there is the biggest chance of a lynch. He doesn't really seem to feel FA is scum.
VOTE: flub
Join this wagon, for glory!
And on top of it you just got the counterwagon chugging along
Ya know, the one whose lack of existence was being called a town tell for fire anyway
This is his whole d1 with the fire flip, flub had about 70% of his post about why fire was scummy and he didnt just superficially pushes, i had mirror tell on some of his comments. He actually adressed stuff that others players might find scummy and still pushed and pushed d1. He also discredited ppl who wanted ppl outside his fos namely BB who wanted jester. EVEN after the flip, flub didnt try to get some kind of towncreds by going all like "oh damn i was so right ! look who i was voting ! look how townie i am and i did townie stuff !" he almost seemingly completly ignored the flip . Because hard bussing subtly d1 and almost getting no towncred for it and then not defending himself with said-bus while bieng voted ATM is scum? naIn post 330, Flubbernugget wrote:And yes fire is still scum-
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Dude, i think your town but this kind of post is looks awk and has no town motivationIn post 797, Vifam wrote:Maybe I am scum-
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Or mod sent me wrong pm when i replacedIn post 801, The_Jester wrote:Plottwist: Maria's scum and the real Firefighter forgot about his role pm
Dun dun dunnnn-
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