Micro 668 - Birds of Paradise - Game Over

[drealmerz7]

*in a whisper*

good morning fellow bird-watchers - this is exciting stuff!(the excitement in the voice doesn't break the whisper) please keep banter to a minimum so we can focus on the birds - those who might want to disrupt our glorious birdwatching we should probably try to eliminate from the group as quietly as possible

[drealmerz7]

I find it strange that ssbm voted drealmerz instead of joining in on an existing vote

why is that strange?

I have no clue why you explained a RVS vote without prompt, just because your allignment gets questioned. It smells of overexplaining.

agreed

I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.

okay I'm following now and I get you

away from it all -

I also don't like the ego post like that out of the blue, but it's not voteworthy at thispoint, just something to keep an eye on, as is everything by everyone, it may have been less good-feeling than a lot of the opening posts, but, yeah, not realyl voteworthy if it is not part of RVS, which it is not (pretty sure)

VOTE: TTTT
For having a name that is going to be a pain in the butt to type all game.

Nn30 is mafia for thaf. I find that mafia usually tries to explain their RVS in a comedical way like he did there.

VOTE: NN30

and so this is a serious vote, okay noted

I agree mafia will often do it, but town does it very often too, so, I find this serious vote very scummy for such a small thing

personally, I find all of RVS pretty anti-town and think it should be done away with, but, people insist for some reason - well, I think the reason often is they don't know how to generate content otherwise!

My explanation of my RVS vote was prompted by the above part of 15.

I know... It's a rvs vote:

who cares?

. I don't need the backstory, now over two posts?

all of this back and forth between you two is a bit weird, but I'm leaning a bit more "off" on mewtaph's side

myk a little more townie

Nn30 is very scummy. Look at his last post. It is scum trying to detract attention from themselves by being funny

ehhh, not really, you stated the obvious, he was calling you on it

how about you respond to that and say what your issue is with him not having returned yet?

and then you push him for scummyness and vote him? you're scummy here

Mewtaph - What's strange about voting someone new instead of voting for an existing wagon, and why is it a time sink to analyze posts during RVS? Something I learned recently (I think from myko himself actually) is how useful it is to analyze early posts because that's when scum will have their guard down.

D7 where's the vote at? No random vote and no opinion on me/mewtaph/myko?

yeah analyzing every stage of the game is good, scum like to hide in the BS of RVS, which is why I hate RVS, it's just a way for scummy players to build a base for scummy play through the game

I generally don't participate in RVS, or, if I do, it is a self-vote or no-lynch vote. so, yeah, no RVS vote from me

instead I'll just real

VOTE: TTTT

oh and I do prefer d7 if you are going to shorter, I don't liek the caps!

[drealmerz7]

TTTT I feel is being "joking" in their posts to cover for their scumminess, please give him a re-read and let me know if anyone else "feels" that - (as mentioned by bulbazor already for nn30's vote, which is RVS, I think?)

scumbuddy instinct defense of his scumbuddy?

[drealmerz7]

mew is farfrumtown

[drealmerz7]

damn

farfrumton

[drealmerz7]

ohmy! and here I was just being quiet watching the birds

so entranced

didn't realize how much time had gone by!

have we made progress?

I think mewtaph might be fishy, but TTTT still seems not right too

I will tell you more thoughts later, back to the birds for now...

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: mewtaph

shhh

bird disturber!

[drealmerz7]

catching up
no idea how I'm getting SR with my amount of content, but, hey, I'll try and figure it out

[drealmerz7]

actually I think I can sheep dreal here, I can see that one.

vote dreal

what is it you see exactly?

[drealmerz7]

TTTT I feel is being "joking" in their posts to cover for their scumminess, please give him a re-read and let me know if anyone else "feels" that - (as mentioned by bulbazor already for nn30's vote, which is RVS, I think?)

scumbuddy instinct defense of his scumbuddy?

still this, and look, they're both voting for me

after pages of me having 0 content after this

[drealmerz7]

Why do you think TTTT is off?

not taking the bird-watching seriously

more interested in disturbing the birds

but mykonian is seeming most disturbing to me atm

[drealmerz7]

i wish people would stop saying "ping"
Not game solving?
I posted a scum list didn't I?
Jeesh... I'm on a 28k dial-up modem and pay by the megabyte
Sry for being concise

this post pings me

[drealmerz7]

Also want reasons for that vote from d7...

on mykonian

I sense he wants to disturb the birds quite a bit, intentionally

mewtaph actually, while causing a bit of a disturbance to some of the birds, doesn't seem to be doing it intentionally, but they could be in it together and it could be calculated moves

but I lean more towards TTTT or bulbazoor being myks scumbuddy much more likely at this point

[drealmerz7]

so you still think I'm scum?
why'd you move your vote to mew after you built a wagon?
you had your scum read at L-2, then moved on???
THIS IS NOT TOWN

damn sorry I didn't realize you were at L-2, should I move back?

[drealmerz7]

dreal... i think hes town for tone and meta slight meta

do we know each other?

[drealmerz7]

Vote Count 1.6

drealmerz7 (3) - Transcend, TTTT, Bulbazoor

(L-2)

TTTT (2) - ssbm_Kyouko, nn30
nn30 (1) - Cracker
Transcend (1) - mykonian
Mewtaph (1) - drealmerz7

Not voting (1) - Mewtaph

The deadline is 20 December 11pm UTC-4, or in (expired on 2016-12-20 23:00:00).

Mod notes:
There will be no flavour while I'm V/LA

where'd all the birds go? someone scared them away!

[drealmerz7]

The meta

don't try to meta read me is my true towny advice

ppl who have played many games with me can't very well

this is why I asked if we knew each other, it's really only a comment someone with 7-10 games with me should even consider saying

[drealmerz7]

mykonian actually has a lot of minor scumpings just from the start (RVS shit with transcend but then takes it a little serious like could see transcend being a good ML and goes for it?) but this series really put me off, giving himself excuses to hop on/off this wagon as he sees fit really

2) Why do you question my reason for jumping on the Mew wagon? It's basically the same reason you're on it...

2) I'm trying to sell myself on staying on this wagon. More evidence is better?

I'm hardly committed

he's being a scumbag, that's all. Don't make a wagon on him yet, then we can flash wagon him right before the deadline :twisted:

He actually backed it up with a whole wall post.

You seem to take this as a good sign.
Lies take more space.

scummy discredit

Mykonian please explain why transc is maf.

He's talking too much and doing too little.

transcend was talking too much?

it's a real shame the game slowed down so much over the weekend. I'd have loved to see a wagon of sorts now.

"on anyone for a good misslunch!"

I'm bored with transcend now, been long enough for him to get his shit together. Stopped being townlike a while ago.

vote transcend

when were you being towny?

yo i read everything and ill just start saying that im glad i got this slot since it's posting was really bad and i wouldve personnaly sred the slot if i was outside of it, now i can give somewhat of a ml back to town.

I don't even understand this sentence as a whole and it still bothers me. Sadly on a gut level, can't quite explain it, but this feels wrong.

oh? translation I think is "is this a yummy misslunch I smelllll?"

I like the new dude. Seems good.

nope seems to have more skill than I want to try to get MLed...who's next??...

actually I think I can sheep dreal here, I can see that one.

vote dreal

found him!

Mykonian, naked vote joining a wagon comprised entirely of my SRs, openly admits it's a sheep vote

I can top that, it's lead by the guy who I was voting before.

ohmy

[drealmerz7]

no what's convenient is the LHF status you thought you had me lynched by, the sigh is that I am not as low as you thought

[drealmerz7]

nice narrative

I did forget again I was at aL-1, seriously, it's baffling

VT

have a ball

[drealmerz7]

mmm I understood it fine not sure why you think I might not have

[drealmerz7]

disappeared from your view?

hrrrrmmmmmm

[drealmerz7]

not the strongest player

YET!

but I lift weights every day!

[drealmerz7]

*goes hides in corner*

I'm so not with it

omg I claimed at L-2

ffs

*cries in corner*

[drealmerz7]

ohman

[drealmerz7]

and passed

yeah I hear you

that I claimed at all is merrrr at that point, I should have not

anyway, damage done

[drealmerz7]

I think the VT claim at L-2 is more likely to come from scum than town
and the aftermath looks like he is willing to go along with myko's assessment that he's just not good at Mafia
he's playing it up in 282, 284, 285, 287

it's more likely to come from scum playing mind games, yes, but, here it was just a dum thing because I wasn't fully with it

the aftermath is me willing to let myko think what he wants to think about my game

[drealmerz7]

when my top SRs read on me is "not a good player"

if he's scum it's either a true thought and I'm happy to let him think it because my enemy underestimating me is good, or it's a false thought trying to what? get me to play better? no. appear towny MAYBE but safe play is to not provoke the guy who you've barely seen play

or it's:

if he's town it's only a true thought and me fighting a towny like that just makes me look scummy because it's a valid view of my play this game

so to me there's only 2 choices, and I see much more likelihood in the 1st choice

[drealmerz7]

blind mewtaph vote was a feint btw

you know who followed it?

myko

[drealmerz7]

the circumstances I put together are the reason I scum read you - it's your motivatiosn/process as I see it likely

funny though, got a case on anyone? or just hanging around waiting for the most viable wagon to hop on?

[drealmerz7]

oh and I pretty much only ever make feint votes as VT, and even then, it's rare

I thought this one would be telling

[drealmerz7]

mew is a bad liar and started overexplaining when it wasn't required, then disappeared after some pressure was applied.

yes notable to note, but only to note and then figure out what it means

I end up reading that as newer player sharing all thoughts and liking to explain in detail (and that in general is towny, and here, reads genuine towny), and then feeling like they were told to essentially shush-it by a more experienced player and did actually think maybe they were doing more harm than good and so stepped down a bit

you painting it as inherently scummotivated, is scummy

[drealmerz7]

myko thinks he sees LHF in transcend

transcend plays like that and it is annoying and lame but NAI for him and you have to "feel" him more - having said that, he's not giving me his usual stuff to feel but I think he's just trying to figure out exactly how to play differently and effectively

go ahead transcend, switch up that meta, it might get you lynched because ppl don't like blatant meta switches, but, you it's worth it, you won't be stuck any more, you'll be free! so, give us what you've got, take the time and calm the thoughts and put each sentence out that helps others see what your view/thougts are - just pick 1 player and do it for them

[drealmerz7]

he's right in the middle of the 9 for me as a nullscum lean

[drealmerz7]

the other mega-lurkers

cracker and bulbazoor

no point to be so lurky in this game

my lurk is barely acceptable but those have gone beyond bad and obvs. could just be scum hiding there

[drealmerz7]

This is a good post. But you never really asked me directly about this, you kind of just reached this conclusion by yourself. Where did you get this vibe from me from? (plz answer for read purposes)

behavioral assessment - it was still a guess

was I close at all>?

[drealmerz7]

life...

[drealmerz7]

will be around before deadline

[drealmerz7]

phewww

you want me to vote transcend for that shit?

how do you feel about that transcend?

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: transcend

ok, let's see

[drealmerz7]

the mafia gods

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: dreal you asked a question as to direct your decision process better, yet you didnt wait for an answer which mean you already had a preconceived idea and an agenda, thats scumtelling

no it's not
it's called rhetoric

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: transcend

suckers

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: TTTT

[drealmerz7]

psh
okay then

UNVOTE: TTTT
VOTE: transcend

[drealmerz7]

you going to look silly ck

[drealmerz7]

transcend is doing shenanigans, that's why to lynch him

the pr "claim", the vt "I think I was hammered" fake slip

scum is my read now

[drealmerz7]

ck is looking good for scum with those fake-motivations they're putting on me though

[drealmerz7]

he's just trolling scum

[drealmerz7]

byscumT

[drealmerz7]

+e

[drealmerz7]

transcend you fucking shit-player, man

learn to play better, eh?

goddamn fucking stupid shitplay - it's against your wincon, get a fucking clue please

[drealmerz7]

please actually look at what happened
I unvoted him after that
then he said "nah I'm VT"
then I revoted him

[drealmerz7]

weird, I swore I came on and voted yesterday!!!

oops!

VOTE: mykonian

[drealmerz7]

don't try to meta read me is my true towny advice

"true" being the keyword, we could have lynched this.

(dreal steps out of his role to give a statement that he percieves to be honest. The qualification "true towny" implies that he conciously left a non true-towny mindset for that post -> scum)

no it means I'm truly a towny and as a True towny that is my actual advice for you

[drealmerz7]

me

but I didn't feel a need

I wanted to because it's helpful to know

[drealmerz7]

did you follow EP's wordplay mafia, myk?

[drealmerz7]

I went after you, ck???
what about how I "handled the lynch" did you hate?

[drealmerz7]

If I were smart, I'd read some dreal games now. I might do that.

If it's not too late I'll offer suggestion to save you time and energy and say it's not worth it. I'm a hard read.

[drealmerz7]

OH I see you did read some.

heh

but yeah, wordplay was by far my worst game once I got distracted by the crap on D2

I'm experienced enough NOT to make the mistakes I did in that game, but that was one of my first games on MS and my confidence in my abilities was not where it should have been.

[drealmerz7]

yeah I think you or them is scum and my lean is you, but, I'll go there for the flip and then if it is town lead the campaign on you tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

I would agree that all are NAI in general and most of my pings on the reads for this lean scum

[drealmerz7]

that'd be a shame...because I do know that mew will flip green

ftfy

[drealmerz7]

the main thing I see is you early thinking transcend is an early mislynch and going after that before realizing others knew more about him than you did

but then you try to gain traction with him a few times, using his style as a naive excuse to push him, and eventually he goes through, much to your seeming pleasure

[drealmerz7]

I would agree that all are NAI in general and most of my pings on the reads for this lean scum

I get all the words, but not the sentence.

I see you do the things but that you do them doesn't indicate your alignment to me, in fact, most of the times when I see you do them in this game, they ping me scummy.

That you have the awareness about their existence tells me even more you are able to fake such interactions to setup the wifom associations.

This itself is scummy.

[drealmerz7]

I am judging you on your actions

the action of intentionally buddying or distancing, rather than it just being how it occurs, you're doing those things with awareness that you're doing them (and doing them with intent, not a reflective awareness) - that is probably why they're pinging me

[drealmerz7]

A lot of my game is personality / behavioral / motivational analysis - I can judge genuineness or fakeness pretty well

when I see you go "I'm going to say this about this person so it gets read like this" - that's not genuine, that's deliberate controlling of the situation

that is scummy

[drealmerz7]

I have to go to work and stop the back and forth, which sucks,

clarity: I don't think you're scum, I think you could be scum

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: mykonian
VOTE: joshz

[drealmerz7]

die die suck die suck die josh sucks die die die die evil die suck scum die list list list bow die die suck suck suck

are you mocking me? :þ

[drealmerz7]

TTTT give it up

[drealmerz7]

omguss

[drealmerz7]

please read the thread

Formerfish replaces Bulbazoor. Please welcome him!

[drealmerz7]

I was all set to stick to myko, and then joshz did absolutely nothing towny and every post was more crap

if he's town he's a liability, but I think it's just scum and I've been wrong about myko, is my read now

[drealmerz7]

I had some issues with mew but they were forgivable in light of other issues I had with others and then josh came and scummed it up

ugh, I could vote TTTT too

[drealmerz7]

look at the voting around transcend's death and explain to me how I'm scum doing that
that looks bad as fuck if you're scum doing that

[drealmerz7]

and before you make the horrible argument of "wifom"
that makes no sense, all I did was draw attention to myself, I don't need to create wifom there, in fact, it would be stupid to

[drealmerz7]

you're writing some narrative that didn't happen and has no application to the unfoldings

go read the EoD

[drealmerz7]

Dude, it is a legit strategy. I use it to my advantage as scum when I roll it. Its why the term exists.

I'm saying get out of the general application and look at the specific circumstance

of course wifom is a legit strategy, I'm saying here, it doesn't make sense as a strategy when looking at the details, yes, it's still wifom, but, are your thoughts on it coming from fear or reason?

[drealmerz7]

I'm still at where I was wayyywayyyyyy long ago

mewtaph (joshz) or myko need to go today...

[drealmerz7]

I didn't say anything about it being a scumteam

[drealmerz7]

how profound

[drealmerz7]

there isn't even a case on me, it's rather pathetic

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: formerfish

clearly hasn't read the game

[drealmerz7]

actually I claimed before you subbed in, and, so, no, you didn't read

[drealmerz7]

and it's not like there's any possibility of a "whoops I missed it"

there was quite a bit of content around it, and, so, yeahhh

can we lynch formerfish now please?

[drealmerz7]

formerfish is obvi-scum with obvi-lies

change the votes

TTTT, no, that's not what it was, at all, and thanks for pointing yourself out to me as scum though

even if what you said were true, it doesn't change the fact that formfish obviously didn't read any of the shit

geez, ppls, if you don't drop the ball, this game is won

[drealmerz7]

how do you miss that shit if you read the fucking thread?

OMFG

STOP DRINKING THE FUCKING CHLORINATED FLUORIDATED WATER, PEOPLE!!!

[drealmerz7]

it's a micro...wagons barely even get "driven"...

[drealmerz7]

no

please read and comprehend my commments

ffs

[drealmerz7]

@drealm
tell me why ssbm is town

who said they're town?

[drealmerz7]

no, we're fishe's biggest threat

don't fall for it

VOTE: mykonian

[drealmerz7]

definitely NOT 'we scumbuddies' if that's what you're thinking

(I'm looking back at it and am like "what can he think I mean?")

[drealmerz7]

nah, it wasn't sarcasm, but the "we" isn't how I think you read it

I should change my pronoun to 'they' sometimes, but I don't want people mistaking me for a hydra

[drealmerz7]

I don't know what to think you thought it meant, that is why I'm curious

I don't mean to be avoiding it, there's just nothing else to say, because I said it? so I think the next step is you saying what is on your mind so I can help you with that because obviously you've got something up there?

it's like, I said words

you said "what are your words"

and I'm like "those are my words"

[drealmerz7]

TOWN is who I am addressing, which you must not be BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT!!!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR REPLYING YOU'VE CONFIRMED MY THOUGHTS

voted myko because I think he is also likely scum and is a more viable CW I think

[drealmerz7]

we, town

don't fall for it, fellow townies

that's what it means

you aren't part of us, so you didn't get it

easyscumhunt

[drealmerz7]

NOWbed

[drealmerz7]

thanks for hosting, BNL!!!

it was good playing with you all, agree it would have been nicer if the game was more riveting, but you can't have them all be that way

[drealmerz7]

it's reallyhard for me to play passionately / with good WIM when we lynch town PR on D1 because of a town lie

did I say that already

transcend, sorry I was rude at the start of D2 after we came back - it's just frustrating :\