Micro 676: Bill Wurtz Mafia (Game Over)
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So glad it looks like this game will be active, at least.
NAI is currently how I'm reading CommKnight's views on claiming/RVS. Scum, even scum unfamiliar with site meta, wouldn't be that transparent about wanting claims on a site that generally encourages claims only at L-1 or with intent to hammer. I think it's more of a culture difference than a scum claim atm.
Both KT and implosion jumped on CK pretty quickly. Possible town motivations include interacting with CK to try and figure out his alignment and hopefully teaching him when claims usually happen. Possible scum motivations include earning town points for saying how bad it is to claim early.
I actually like that implosion took his vote off CK - I feel scum could have pushed on an inexperienced player there as a somewhat easy target, although perhaps it would have been a bit transparent that that was what he was doing. I like his explanation for the initial vote switch to CK.
I like KT's emotion, I don't like his quick jump to CK's wagon. Want to see more of those interactions though, it looks like everyone kinda left that discussion for work/bed and hasn't returned to respond yet.
From a single post? I know it's only a lean, but could you maybe explain that a little more so I can understand? Unless there's reasoning you want to keep back for a bit.In post 44, Transcend wrote:Lean town on syr
Gamma's contributions so far have been an RVS vote, a joke about Town of Salem, and a conversation about another game with implosion. I don't see anything AI there, but I'd like to see more game-related stuff from him. There's been plenty to comment on, and clearly he was online for a least a little bit. It's enough for me to swap away from my RVS vote for now.
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I'd like to revise my read on CK - I still believe all the claiming/RVS confusion is NAI, but I dislike his confidence that the first person to vote on him must be scum.
It's really odd to me that after not even one page of discussion, CK says he is never moving his vote unless implosion claims. Town should be willing to change their mind - not easily or extremely often, but tunneling to the point of never claiming you'll never change your vote unless that person claims a role, on page 1 of the entire game, is a little odd. I read through the thread twice assuming I was town!CK and scum!CK and I found the confidence he had really unnerving - perhaps I'm just a less confident player than him, but I don't like the sense of surety at all.There is little to no real leads Day Ones. But i am happy enough with my analysis of your behaviour to lock this vote in. It is not leaving without a claim.
Given my new thoughts on the situation I'm going to switch my vote, but naturally I think there should be a lot more discussion before any claims/lynching occur. This is L-2, I believe.
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Oh it almost definitely is!
I'm pretty new to the game and brand new to this forum, and I'm honestly not sure if it's just this game/these players or if early reads are always this hard. From what I know, you're supposed to just kind of put your thoughts out there (although lots of players don't do this ofc). But as a newbie it seems like my best bet to just give my honest thoughts as often as I can.
CK is just the strongest read I have right now - I'm finding KT's actions difficult to read, and I could see them coming from either alignment so he's pretty much null for me. implosion, basically the same thing.
I am reading you as town, pretty lightly though.
These are all 95% gut at the moment though, I'm really feeling pretty unsure. I'll probably wait until others talk a bit to try and read anyone else.-
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There is definitely an alternate reading of him as very new town with some slightly odd ideas about how to catch scum. He says he wants discussion, which is good, although I disagree that we should be encouraging early claims to spur the discussion on. He is posting a lot, which is normally NAI but if he actually is a new player and not an alt I'd say it's a good sign. I've seen quite a few lurky new scum players in the newbie games and it's somewhat hard to fake that level of eagerness as a new player. That said, I don't think he's new to mafia, just to the site, so I don't want to underestimate him.
I like that he got us out of RVS (perhaps unintentionally as he didn't know what it was lol).
It seems like you liked him putting you at L-2, which makes sense. Early wagons and pressure are generally good for discussion, even if no one claims.
I don't think both scum are in {CK, Kain, implosion}, but other than that I just don't know what to think about the whole interaction. It was very interesting, but I could see town and scum motivations from everyone involved (and Kain and implosion are clearly not new players, so I don't want to naively townread them for things easily faked).
One thing I'm a bit curious about with regard to you - you said you don't care about previous games, yet you asked me where I'm from. People often seem to ask that so that they can read a player's previous games on their home site, but I'm guessing that wasn't your intent since you said you don't read previous games. Was there some other reason you wanted to know?-
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I realized I said a lot but didn't answer your question directly.
Your stated reason for townreading CK is for his L-2 vote on you - you said it seemed genuine and not opportunistic. I agree that that's towny, if pretty lightly so.
The part I didn't like was his response to implosion's vote on him, which I don't think you addressed anywhere? You continued to townread CK and I didn't see you state any other reasons why you did.
So, I don't think your townread and my scumread are incompatible - we're just looking at different things that CK did and weighting them differently because we are different people.
I'm not going to sheep your reads because you're more experienced than me - for one thing if I did that I'd be sheeping nearly every person in the game. But I will take them into account!-
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My reasoning behind the confidence read was that scum are generally more confident in their reads (at least newer/easier to read scum, everything is possible to fake of course). I didn't like that CK seemed to think he had instantly caught a scum day 1 and stated that he wouldn't move his vote, ever. It just doesn't seem town to me. Call it gut, I guess.
Your explanation, if I understand correctly, is that CK believes implosion doesn't want a claim and thus is stalling discussion, and therefore implosion is scum. That's pretty believable, except that 4 or 5 different people then explained to CK why the whole early claiming thing is a bad idea, why it makes sense that implosion wouldn't want a claim this early, etc. From there, CK refused to move his vote and said he believes his early vote on implosion was correct, even when presented with the argument that implosion was not trying to deny town discussion at all and that not claiming is accepted amongst the majority of players in the game.
That said I can definitely see how Comm might just be misguided town. I'm not going to let go of my gut read on him that easily, but I don't wish to tunnel too hard. I'd like to see some involvement from other players on the issue.
This is your first non rvs post and I'm reading it as basically trying to get a read on me/interact with me, but this post reads very slightly like a) attacking comm's attacker and b) giving comm a chance to reevaluate/change his mind so you can townread him when he (perhaps) decides that his analysis was wrong. But, I don't want to jump to conclusions yet just based on a slight gut read, and I've heard associative reading on day 1 is bad for some reason.-
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This is what you said to Comm, referencing his statement that his initial read on implosion was correct. It seems like you couldn't believe that would be true and you're looking for him to change his views after implosion had a chance to respond. Which I agree with, I also want to hear what Comm's current views on implosion and the game in general are. I said you could potentially townread him if he backs off on this because it seems to me like you want him to back off on it (maybe I'm just getting a tone from your statement that you didn't intend).Surely you're not refering to your initial analysis and vote on Implosion?
My original read on his comments surrounding claiming/RVS hasn't changed, I don't think any of that is AI. He clearly does (or did) believe that claiming is ideal, but even within that worldview I still think parking your vote and declaring that it will never move on one person after that person's only posts in the game were an RVS vote and then an unvote and vote on you, is scummy. In that worldview where claims are ideal and implosion looks scummy for unvoting, I would have certainly voted him, poked at him, asked him why he unvoted, etc, but I just don't think a single action on day 1 should ever be enough for a town player topermanentlyscumread someone (which is what CK claimed he was doing). It's fine for CK to declare that he found that action scummy, to vote for implosion, all that is great (and in fact if that was all he had done I probably would town read him for it). But parking your vote on the first page and declaring you are doing so is just weird. He can have odd views on claiming and RVS, but I don't think parking your vote that early based on a single interaction is ever pro-town. What if CK comes to scumread someone else even more 7 pages later? Is he going to go back on what he said, or stick with his early read because he said he would?
I guess the tl;dr is that the vote locking is what pings me, not the fact that he was suspicious of implosion in the first place (that part makes total sense).
The scum radar that was annoying me about your first post has gone down considerably. Not sure why yet though.-
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Although all this analysis has been interesting, I feel like I'm having a lot of trouble forming a solid read on anyone, even the most active players. Is this normal for this point in the game?
In real life, body language and tone obviously play a huge part in reads and taking those away is causing me to struggle a bit. I know it's just something to learn switching over but I feel kind of lost.-
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I agree on the vote hop being a bit odd - perhaps it takes me longer to think through what things might indicate town vs scum? I posted initially with my thoughts on the interaction, but I guess I just focused on different parts of it and that part didn't really ping my radar until a second read. I made the first post right after I woke up, and I thought about the situation in the car on my way to work, then posted the second post once I arrived.
I do tend to skim when I read books and only catch certain details on a reread, so I guess I'm not sure why this is problematic. I could have read the thread when I woke up and then waited a while and thought a bunch before posting, but like I said earlier I thought putting my thoughts on the situation out in the open is more helpful than bottling them all up for later. It probably means I'll be changing my views and reads a bit more often, but I don't see an issue with that. I think I'd do this regardless of alignment.
Hopefully that answers your issues regarding the vote switch. The vote on Gamma was just because my RVS vote was still up and Gamma was the person I wanted to hear from the most at the time I made that post. After thinking a bit more I decided to change it to CK. I'll probably leave it there until he gets back on and responds at least.-
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@Comm
I saw implosion's initial vote for you as an attempt to generate discussion - it was the first non-RVS vote. I view generating discussion as generally town motivated. I agree that switching a vote with no reasoning at all is generally a scummy move, but I'd say during RVS/on page one that it's far less so, and in this case I saw it as town trying to get a reaction out of you. If he had explained his reasoning for that move right in that post, he wouldn't have gotten the same reaction from you.
Also, although I know you hold the view that unvoting means no claim and is therefore anti-town, perhaps consider that implosion disagrees with the idea of early claiming and therefore from his point of view, changing his vote to someone he views as more scummy is instead the best way to generate town discussion. Even if you disagree with him on the meta, it's still possible for his actions to be town motivated (just as several people here disagree with your meta, but town read you).
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Although I do think you're tunneling a little bit on implosion, I could be accused of the same regarding you, and your latest post has put you in more of a town direction for me.
I like the suspicions everyone is having regarding KT and I would like to hear his explanation for his late vote on CK. Rereading, it does seem a little opportunistic, but the thing that's been preventing me from completely scumreading him for it is that I don't think scum would be that obvious. But I'd like to hear KT's explanation.-
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How do you know my tentativeness is scummy rather than towny? I feel I've been pretty tentative the whole game, not really having solid reads. I know that's a traditional scum tell, but it's what I'm honestly feeling. I don't know who to read as scum at this point. You're maybe the closest thing I have to a scumread, but I'm not feeling confident enough to move my vote right now.
You still never explained why you posted 13 (fluff) and then after that 15 (where you started your argument with CK). It could be as simple as you deciding to post some fluff and then rereading the thread a few minutes later and noticing CK's post and then making post 15, but you avoiding explaining and getting defensive is what's confusing me here.
I'm not looking to lynch you right here and now, I'm just trying to figure out your alignment and I want more information about what you're thinking.-
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I have been burned in the past by seeing obvious scummy behavior and tunneling on that person way too hard - then they turn out to be town and I've not only pushed a mislynch, but everyone suspects me for pushing that mislynch and we end up with two mislynches because of it. I think it's perfectly normal for town to be paranoid about reading someone as heavily scummy when it seems too easy and obvious to be true.-
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@Comm I like what implosion's had to say. He's not my strongest town read by a long shot but I just think our views on the game are so different that neither of us is likely to convince the other of what implosion's alignment is. We could argue for the rest of Day 1 and I don't think either of us would change our read on him, so I don't see the value in continuing that discussion. I understand why you're scumreading him, but I just don't agree with it.-
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In post 35, implosion wrote:
I have a somewhat scummy first impression of Kain. The Comm vote looks somewhat awkward/opportunistic simply by virtue of only happening after mine, yet having reasoning that was already available when Kain made post 13. 17 jumps to conclusions, accusing Comm of refusing to take his vote off and tunneling pretty shortly after the vote on Transcend. It looks like jumping on the easy target. The last line of 23 reads as trying to keep options open to switch to a wagon on me if Comm starts being read as town.
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VOTE: KainIn post 74, Syryana wrote: Kain read deteriorated somewhat. Still like Comm.
These are the others who seemed to be at least a little suspicious of you. I agree with their suspicions. I was being pretty liberal when I said everyone - it's definitely not everyone, but it is some people I am at least lightly townreading right now.In post 103, Parama wrote:
but have you at all read the posts in contextIn post 93, Transcend wrote:Parama in terms of the "opportunism" between implo/Kain, I think town!Kain is much more likely to make a bad vote like that than town!implo
13 could've been the same post as 15 but kain didn't vote until after implosion did-
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It's kinda funny, I'm reading you more and more town as we chat here, but my reads are near opposite from yours.
Mini little readlist, I do have justifications for these but I don't want to wallpost yet again so I'll leave it shortened for now. Tweet's my strongest read by quite a bit.
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Tweet (townread)
Parama (townlean)
implosion (townlean)
Gamma (null)
Transcend (nullscum)
Syryana (nullscum)
KT (nullscum)
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My town reads are relatively stronger than my scumreads right now.
CK is not on the list right now as I'm just really unsure where to put him. I keep going back and forth on it. I don't want to lynch him today.
Current preferred lynch pool (mostly POE) {Transcend, Syryana, KT}
Yeah yeah I know my vote's still on CK, I'm not moving it until I feel a little more confident.-
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My issue isn't with you posting fluff at all, it's that you posted fluff (proving you were actively in the thread), but didn't vote for CK until several minutes later, after implosion changed his vote. Why not post your 15 immediately? Did you not read CK's post 11 until after you made your fluff post?
Sequence of events (hopefully fairly objective)
CK posts his RVS vote and states that he wants to get a claim quickly
Mod posts a vote count
KT posts fluff (NAI)
implosion unvotes and votes for CK. Doesn't add any reasoning at the time, later says he likes to change his vote on page 1 to generate discussion.
KT votes for CK and expresses shock/suspicion that he wants a quick claim
So why wasn't it more like this:
CK posts his RVS vote and states that he wants to get a claim quickly
Mod posts a vote count
KT votes for CK and expresses shock/suspicion that he wants a quick claim
then implosion does whatever he'd do in that situation (might be the same, might be different)
My point is, when you made the fluff post you had all the info you needed to make post 15. Why didn't you (or make it right after your fluff post instead of a bit later after implosion's?)
To be clear, I don't really find your page one actions very scummy at all - I find your refusal to explain and work with me far more suspicious.
Yeah, my "completely scumreading" comment was badly worded. I guess a better wording would be "preventing me from scumreading him more than I currently am". I.E. if I thought scum!KT would be that obvious, I would be scumreading you more. But I'm not, because I think scum!KT would be better than that and might not do something so obvious.-
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let's see...i'm actually curious too as it was mostly a gut read from a couple pages back.
I liked the vote on CK and the later explanation for the vote change - that it's something he often does on day 1 to start discussion. It was the first "serious" vote of the game and I like that. I haven't looked at past games to see if he's telling the truth about this being a common action for him though.
Next he talks a whole bunch about the claiming stuff so that's NAI. He's generally skeptical of CK's instant scumread, and doesn't react defensively at all. At this point I'm feeling either town or pretty experienced, flippant scum.
He pointed out the same thing that bugged me about your page one posts (which bother me quite a bit less now, I do accept your explanation at least for today). But picking up on similar scumtells makes me like him.
He later votes for Transcend, joining a growing wagon. This is opportunistic and it's probably the scummiest thing he's done, but I can see the town motivation - discussion about CK was stalling a bit and pressuring people/forming wagons is generally pro town. If this went to a lynch and Transcend flipped town I'd look a little harder at the timing of how implosion joined the wagon, but given that it hasn't yet and I'm also lightly scumreading Transcend, I don't mind implosion's vote here.
He then questions Transcend about his POE system. The questions seem pretty genuine and like he's really just curious about Transcend's mindset, not like he's trying to get him mislynched. Obviously it's a bit early on day 1 for the mafia to hard scumread someone and try and push a mislynch, but that doesn't seem to be implosion's goal here.
So yeah, light townread, the lightest of my three probably.-
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Unfortunately this is my first game of forum mafia anywhere, so I don't have any links for you. I've played IRL 4 or 5 times but no recordings. I do tend to be very unsure of my early reads - in my last game I think I gave a grand total of two reads day 1 (both correct surprisingly).
I don't believe it's alignment indicative for me, but it's hard to say since I've never rolled mafia before.
You're null to me because some of your actions seem scummy, and others seems towny. Therefore, I can't make up my mind. I'm definitely not townreading you the way I am some others, but someone in the game has to be scum, and I haven't ruled you out yet. I will say you're no longer on my want to lynch list for today.
Unless the scum lie in the more lurky people, I think this game is kinda hard. So many people seem town to me today.-
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I'm doing a lot of things, but trying not to attract attention certainly isn't one of them!In post 138, KainTepes wrote: try to keep neutral so they don't attract too much attention.
I agree that fencesitting is a somewhat common scumtell. I think it's probably worse later in the game when scum want to be able to say "I thought he might be town!" after someone flips - basically acting really unsure to try and fake that they didn't want to lynch that person. On day 1 I think it's NAI, unless the person gives literally 0 reads.
When I do finally get a decent read, or vote with the intention to lynch, I will own that vote regardless of the flip - not taking responsibility isn't my style.-
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I explain that below the list - Gamma is null because he hasn't said much of anything yet, but CK is null because I can't make up my mind.
If I had to give a read I'd say town right now. He's sticking to his reads and views, even if I don't agree with them. Scum might have decided to blend in a bit more in that situation and let go of their convictions to make peace. I still don't like that he refuses to move his vote without a claim on principle, but I can accept that that's a difference in culture and not indicative of scum.-
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Sorry Transcend - I think the reason my posts tend to be so long is because I've seen a lot of situations on this site where someone makes an argument, but words it oddly/doesn't really explain too clearly, and then a whole big discussion gets started over a simple misunderstanding that didn't have to happen if the first person just explained very clearly and unambiguously what they were thinking in the first place. I'll try and shorten my thoughts as much as I can!-
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Yeah, you and everyone and everyone's mom. (no, KT, I don't mean EVERYONE, it's an exaggeration )
I feel like I'm getting pocketed/buddied somewhere. So many people look so obvtown to me right now (except Gamma but that's only because he hasn't posted in ages and nothing AI). But we can't all be town.
KT and CK look strange but not like scum strange, just a little bit weird strange.
Tweet needs to come back because boy do I really love her analysis, even when it is directed at me. Same for Parama. But it hasn't really been that long, I guess I'm just impatient.
I hope you'll excuse my paranoia regarding your read of me.-
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@Comm Could you explain your thoughts on Parama? I know you don't like implosion, and you said you like myself and KT. I'd like to hear about others if you have any reads to share.
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@Syryana I'm Scumreading Transcend for somewhat the same reason I'm slightly suspicious of you - I feel like I'm getting buddied. I'm not 100% sure that your (and/or his) townreads on me are genuine. Right now nearly everyone looks pretty town or null to me, and I'm scared that a more experienced player will take me along for the ride and turn out to be scum at the end.
It's probably just newb paranoia, but hey, most likely at least two people have to be scum and I'm doubtful on Tweet, Comm, Parama, and implosion right now...so by POE you and Transcend fall in my scum pool.
I'm actually more suspicious of you than Transcend purely because I've read a Transcend game before (don't remember which one) and he was equally slightly odd there. I think he turned out to be town.
But really, in a world where the number of mafia could be 0, I wouldn't be scumreading you guys. It's POE.-
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About Parama:
He agreed with implosion's suspicions about the KT vote.
His thought process regarding Comm's suspicions of implosion but not KT were very similar to mine. (post 81)
I liked his little reaction to Transcend's vote on me - he seemed to find it opportunistic, as did I. But since the wagon didn't really take off and Transcend seems to like me more now, I guess we aren't gonna get much more development on that.
He seems to be evaluating everyone, looking for inconsistencies, a lot of the things he picked up on are things I also picked up on.
I liked that he questioned Transcend's motivations for voting me, but didn't instantly TR me or let me off the hook. He called my posts awkward and said he didn't know whether it was town or scum awkward.
Like I said I'd like to hear more from him, but it hasn't even been 12 hours yet so it's not like he's lurking.-
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I agree, but to a sufficiently skilled player, I think just about anything is fakeable. The fact that at least 2, possibly more of the people I'm talking to right now are not pro-town is evidence enough of that for me, because they all seem pretty darn pro-town.
At some point I have to go with my gut. I pretty much assume everyone is skilled and capable of faking just about anything, and then try my best to figure it out from there.
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Gah why is everyone in this game so fucking town
I feel like votes have moved very very little for the amount of discussion we've had. I'm not even sure we've had a wagon since the Transcend one and some random votes on Gamma to try and flush him out of hiding.
But that's probably because no one besides CK and Parama seems to have a solid, non POE scumread (am I wrong about that? Correct me if I am.)-
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I think Gamma is a fairly easy lynch for scum to push/join, given that he's the only one not contributing atm. I feel like his flip won't give us much info given that he hasn't interacted with anyone in any meaningful way. I kind of want a lynch that people have stronger opinions about, but I'm not opposed to it either. I don't have a better alternative right now.-
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implosion is the townread that's closest to null for me as well - KT and CK have both gone up and down on my rankings while implosion just kinda sat there.
Why do you not like the KT hop? Is it too opportunistic? Just pings you the wrong way?
I read it as him reading CK as town after the whole claiming discussion, then rereading and seeing Kain's vote come after his and that made him suspicious. He does seem to be more liberal than most of the players here in regards to moving his vote around onto anyone he wants to pressure, but I think that's probably more of a personal gameplay thing than AI.
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Well they'll have their work cut out for them killing active scumhunting players in this game...
I'm curious to see how Gamma's wagon develops in the future.
After a reread, my top suspects are Transcend and Syryana - not a huge change from where I was before or anything, just that rereading has not made me feel any better about the two of them. Don't think they are scum together though, unless they both enjoy bussing.-
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Syryana are you saying I'm running in circles? I thought I've been pretty transparent about how my reads developed over time. I have to scumread someone, and it's currently not going to be Tweet, implosion, CK or KT. Parama is falling off for me right now but still just outside the POE.
Which leaves you and Transcend, and our resident lurker.
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Any specific questions?In post 141, Stormcloud wrote:let's see...i'm actually curious too as it was mostly a gut read from a couple pages back.
I liked the vote on CK and the later explanation for the vote change - that it's something he often does on day 1 to start discussion. It was the first "serious" vote of the game and I like that. I haven't looked at past games to see if he's telling the truth about this being a common action for him though.
Next he talks a whole bunch about the claiming stuff so that's NAI. He's generally skeptical of CK's instant scumread, and doesn't react defensively at all. At this point I'm feeling either town or pretty experienced, flippant scum.
He pointed out the same thing that bugged me about your page one posts (which bother me quite a bit less now, I do accept your explanation at least for today). But picking up on similar scumtells makes me like him.
He later votes for Transcend, joining a growing wagon. This is opportunistic and it's probably the scummiest thing he's done, but I can see the town motivation - discussion about CK was stalling a bit and pressuring people/forming wagons is generally pro town. If this went to a lynch and Transcend flipped town I'd look a little harder at the timing of how implosion joined the wagon, but given that it hasn't yet and I'm also lightly scumreading Transcend, I don't mind implosion's vote here.
He then questions Transcend about his POE system. The questions seem pretty genuine and like he's really just curious about Transcend's mindset, not like he's trying to get him mislynched. Obviously it's a bit early on day 1 for the mafia to hard scumread someone and try and push a mislynch, but that doesn't seem to be implosion's goal here.
So yeah, light townread, the lightest of my three probably.
I'd like to hear more from him for sure - if he's lurking I don't like that, there's tons to comment on. But he's only been gone for 11 hours - probably just work/sleep.-
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Quick little unofficial VC I was doing to keep track for myself, hopefully correct
[3] Transcend (Gamma Emerald, Parama, implosion)
[1] Gamma Emerald (Morning Tweet)
[1] CommKnight (Stormcloud)
[3] implosion (CommKnight, Transcend, KainTepes)
[1] Not Voting (Syryana)
I'm ok with some pressure on implosion. This wagon is intriguing me. Not gonna join it yet though.-
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Tweet I love you, but I hate this question. We've established that Comm believes, rightly or wrongly, that early claims help town. Several people have provided some very good reasons why that is probably incorrect. He has stuck to his views.In post 181, Morning Tweet wrote:@CommWhat information do we gain from, say, a doctor revealing his role? What does this do to spur discussion?
I don't want to see a whole bunch of pages of discussion on the merits of claiming vs not claiming. I don't think it's going to do anything to spur on discussion. I don't believe the rest of the players are going to convince Comm that he's wrong.
He did outline why he supports claiming in a fairly detailed manner early on - I just don't think the topic deserves yet more posts devoted to it.
Unless perhaps that isn't why you're asking him that at all, and there's some deeper motivation to this question that you really think will help you determine his alignment beyond what he's said so far?
I'm just not seeing it if that's the case.-
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It's like you're reading my mind.In post 212, Morning Tweet wrote: I do disagree with Comm's basis for scumreading implo + really want to add Comm to my town block but have yet to see AI posts.
It's honestly slightly creepy lol.-
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My scumread on Transcend has only gotten stronger these past couple pages. His 194 is extremely suspicious and opportunistic. He sees a wagon on himself growing, doesn't flip out about it because he's not a newb, but then sees some people expressed doubt about implosion and jumps on that as his way out. The timing of that vote switch and how quickly this wagon grew is absolutely locking him in as scum for me.
I do think that means KT is town if Transcend is scum, as scum wouldn't buddy up that closely together.
DO NOT hammer implosion before town has come to a consensus. I will treat it as a scum claim. If he somehow gets lynched and I die in the night, KILL FUCKING TRANSCEND.-
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Others were suspecting Transcend at the time, so Transcend wanted to start a competing wagon. implosion was a good target because most people were pretty null on him and I can absolutely see how some of his posts do look pretty scummy, so it wasn't hard to gain some support (clearly, not everyone on the implosion wagon can possibly be scum so at least some town are reasonably convinced by Transcend's arguments).
Hopefully that clarifies what I thought was going on on those pages.-
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