Micro 678: Grand Idea Mafia! - GAME OVER!

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O man

VOTE: screenplay
VOTE: screenplay

Dreal is either scum or jester.

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I am here! The legendary KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!! I have GRACED you all WITH my presence!!!!!!!...!!!!!

VOTE: Screenplay

That was weird/confusing

huh

can you guys put some pressure on screen play for me

STOP THE CRAP NOW AND GET DIFFERENT AVIs!

I love Kain Tepes too though! <3 Can you please tell your fans to shut up ?

Haha knew it

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This is going to be quite a game

I think everyone will be ok with me playing not-so-seriously for once

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Why would you vote me and the right after call someone else a potential scum?!

Because I think he's a likely jester and I don't want to lynch a jester.

I think you're reading into the nonsense too much.

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In grand idea, some are

It's about as likely as scum being IC if not more

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Although in general scum is probably more likely than jester. But scum is less likely to play the way dreal did.

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I can read, therefore I can tell that you're not town.

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VOTE: dreal
VOTE: dreal

Let's do this actually. It's not the end of the world if we lynch a jester.

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Why would jin be post restricted and not just fucking around? He changed his avatar and everything

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she's got that looovin' feeeeelin'

wooooaooooaoahhh

You already have 113 posts.

Shut. The fuck. Up.

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Yeah you can die

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I wish I had 5 votes

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*hugs infinity*

Spoiler: for infinity

Aww

Ok you get 1 unvote for that.

UNVOTE: dreal

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Innocent Scumbag

Mod-confirmed innocent who has to act as scummy as possible. Will win if lynched, can also win with town. If investigated the night before, suddenly acts pro-town the next day.

I have determined that this is in fact dreal's role

UNVOTE:

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Innocent Scumbag

Mod-confirmed innocent who has to act as scummy as possible. Will win if lynched, can also win with town. If investigated the night before, suddenly acts pro-town the next day.

I have determined that this is in fact dreal's role

UNVOTE:

Why so sure??

Because I search "innocent" and "informed" and nothing I found was either a groupscum IC or dreal's claimed role.

Look what I found..

KAIN TEPES

(alignment up to mod's discretion)
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SORRY COULDN'T RESIST

More post restrictions:
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2. Vote must change once every 3 posts
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4. Must change display picture to a Milltank.

Oh wow.

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VOTE: crystal

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I don't like how you said to ignore dreal, kept talking about him for a while, and now are trying to call out screenplay for asking a very legitimate question that happens to relate to dreal

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VOTE: crystal

Can a voteless role be anything but town?

Idk, why couldn't there be scum voteless?

I never said to ignore dreal completly, I am intended to ignore his spam.

There are always other ways to deal with a spammer like that anyway.

Trying to focus on spammer is exactly what I think is scummy though.

But how is what screen did different from what you did? Asking a question on the topic does not really constitute trying to focus town in that direction...

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I don't think the questions were "lightweight" or "surface level"

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Dear god.

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let's just quicklynch crystal, how about that

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VOTE: crystal

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L-1

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UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:

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This spamming is making me thirsty...for blood.

Unfortunately I'll have to wait until tonight.

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VOTE: screen

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LIKE MY FACE IS red as the tomatos in the kitchen

how the fuck did my wagon reach L1 like that?

I doublevoted you

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I HAVE REACHED OVER 200 POSTS IN LESS THAN 48 HOURS, MY GOAL IS NOW REDUCED TO 400 POSTS INSTEAD OF 500

Well that's slightly comforting at least

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This is going to be quite a game

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UNVOTE:

I like that sentiment actually

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VOTE: A simple plan

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At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Uh...then you're too confident.

Screen is weird but is looking like weird town to me.

@screen idk how it works I guess I'll just specify if I have more than one vote on.

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The wagon on me happened just when I accused you of diverting attention. coincidence?

Yes probably

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Tonorrow I'll try to explain better why I think screen is town but words are hard rn

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FA, the problem with stubbornness is that everyone is wrong sometimes.

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My gut says screen is town

I don't care enough about this game to go beyond that

I'm fine with lynching ASP

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My gut says screen is town

I don't care enough about this game to go beyond that

I'm fine with lynching ASP

Why do people always use excuses like , I'm bored of this game , I'm not interested, I haven't been paying attention?
When you sign /in for a game you are making a commitment. To me when people say that I think it's bullshit, if you are honest about what you are saying or not. It's just bull shit.

What is ASP?

ASP is a player in this game...theoretically

Most games don't have a person who is required to spam

And this. I'm not putting a huge effort into this game, it's meant to be a silly micro and dreal is just making it even less serious.

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I care about this game, but only enough to make it fun. I'm not putting in special effort when I have other things to do.

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VOTE: ASP

Gut

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To give a specific, I don't think town would feel it necessary to give so many specifics about RL.

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To give a specific, I don't think town would feel it necessary to give so many specifics about RL.

do you know anything about mafia?

Uh, yes

I know that town tends to try to separate RL and mafia

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Uh, no actually

What you know is simply incorrect

but even assuming thats correct, why not doing that is scummy - not anti town?

Because it's more commonly a scum practice to gain sympathy. I don't pull my tells out of nowhere, I get them from experience. If you want me to stop lecturing me about stubbornness, stop lecturing me about this shit.

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Uh, no actually

What you know is simply incorrect

but even assuming thats correct, why not doing that is scummy - not anti town?

Because it's more commonly a scum practice to gain sympathy. I don't pull my tells out of nowhere, I get them from experience. If you want me to stop lecturing me about stubbornness, stop lecturing me about this shit.

Lets talk about experiance

I always make my RL and mafia game involved.

Now tell me - am I always scum?

and tell me your experience cause I like to hear it

No, I never claimed that ASP was confirmed scum. I don't remember specifics where scum used RL specifics and town didn't, but in the games I've played and read scum does it a lot more.

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VOTE: simple

Mostly gut from that rl post
Also don't like the lazy assumption that voteless isn't scum

Why are you so sheepish

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ASP seems to have an indifferent attitude. Maybe that might give onsite to there alignment. I don't feel like scum would try to give off that type of attitude. Draws a little to much attention I think.

Yeah this guy is scumhunting

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... I'm not putting a huge effort into this game, it's meant to be a silly micro and dreal is just making it even less serious.

that's a weak-ass excsuse
everyone else is getting along
and my spamming has stopped and been removed

I'm getting along just fine tyvm

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plenty of voteless scum in the Grand Idea thread
VOTE: crystal
come at me bro!
oh wait...

You also voted crystal after me here

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The easy scum thing to do is to scumread and push the people who are indifferent. They tend to look scummy and give the least resistance. Calling someone town for being indifferent just doesn't benefit scum.

I'm not ignoring you FA, I just disagree with your read.

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You are basing this read on those specifics. do the statistic analyzes you are using or I will shoot you tonight

Gun on your head

Your move

If you like gamethrowing and dealing with dreal for the rest of the game, fine. It's really not worth it for me when I have a bunch of other games to play and rl work to do.

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calling someone town when others are voting them is called white knighting and distancing and its actually really scummy and scums really benefit from them both (dependent on the voted person alignment its one of them)

Yep, because I happen to have reads that disagree with other people's, I'm scum.

and if your town you better start agreeing with my reads cause without full coopration I doubt we can ever get scum.

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...if you want cooperation this is not the way to get it.

If you're not in such a good mood, I get it. Talk to me tomorrow and we can try to work together and figure stuff out. I'll even put more work into it than I was planning to. I'm not trying to undermine you or your reads, I'm trying to figure out the game and inevitably people are going to have different perspectives. But I'm not going to follow you just because you say so.

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If shooting you is actually game throwing and your town you need to stop excusing yourself with RL (the thing you were just saying is scummy.........)

"rl work" =////= specifics about rl

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I do think I have a special responsibility to listen to you because you are voteless and I'm a dv. But I don't have a responsibility to sheep you.

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Ok here are some posts of screen's that I liked.

Spoiler:

yes I really am

informed innocent townie

I can repeat again if you like

informed innocent townie

If this wasn't your role but someone else's, would you believe them?

I just PMed the mod and asked if there were hidden aspects to my role that I do not know and they said no

neither of those roles is me

If the was a hidden aspect why would the mod be honest with you about it?

I like these questions, they'e trying to get into dreal's head and trying to get dreal to see our perspective. It would be very easy for scum to ignore dreal.

Especially sense you have no vote to protect him.

He is buddying me and sheeping me

I'm not sure what should I make of that

Why would he buddy and sheep you. You have no vote to protect him. Do you have a chainsaw?

A good point and also kind of counterproductive as scum. If he's trying to redirect your attention to n_m, why say this?

I can't believe I'm considered the weird one in this game!?!?

Diverting attention.

Apeasing

Vote this guy

If you ever think I am diverting say something. Put me back on track. I don't think I have but if so it was not done on purpose.

Idk why, this townpings me. Maybe because scum would be very aware of their diverting and he seems oblivious.

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

This allows his play to be held to a certain standard, and later on if at any time he doesn't seem to be trying to figure something out you can call him out. Doesn't seem like something scum would want to do.

Why do people always use excuses like , I'm bored of this game , I'm not interested, I haven't been paying attention?
When you sign /in for a game you are making a commitment. To me when people say that I think it's bullshit, if you are honest about what you are saying or not. It's just bull shit.

Scum doesn't get frustrated about people not caring, only town does.

From my understanding, you're scumreading him because he doesn't give enough opinions and you don't see how his questions are productive. Well I, for one, do see how his questions are productive, and I can see how a new town player wouldn't want to jump to conclusions so early without a ton of info. I'm often in that unsure position d1 myself. But maybe you can give more specifics on things you didn't like of his?

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If shooting you is actually game throwing and your town you need to stop excusing yourself with RL (the thing you were just saying is scummy.........)

"rl work" =////= specifics about rl

Yes we all have real life

we signed up for this game

you have to care for this game because we all are spending our times with it.

Ok at the beginning of this game I thought the atmosphere would be a little more lax because it's grand idea and there are silly roles like dreal's but I'll try to put time into it.

But that wasn't my point, my point was that what I did was very different from ASP since I gave a general statement while ASP gave specifics about his life that we didn't need to know, it looked like he was trying to gain sympathy.

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You were saying that makes screen town cause no scum will ever do that

I was saying thats stupid logic cause scum might do them as well ...

Well of course scum can do anything. But some things are more likely than others, and I feel like it's unlikely for scum to waste an opportunity for a good target in that case.

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Oh I get it, you're saying screen could've been wk'ing. Fair enough.

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What's your read on TTTT

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What's your read on TTTT

I waffle repeatedly on whether I like his avatar or not

Ok, just making sure you weren't town.

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If crystal is scum we'll find out tomorrow night lol

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That's a good question, most likely another town though

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Crystal come post some more. I feel sick and having a stressful day. You post no matter how mean, wrong or unnerving always puts a smile on my face when I get to your heart in the sig.

Aww

*virtual hug*

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I'll get to your case tomorrow FA, thanks.

You're wasting your time with dreal btw

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Tomorrow, I promise.

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I promise I will look into and seriously consider the case. I don't promise I'll vote screen.

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Spoiler: screen case

He clearly knew that we can't sort drealm with his spam flooding the thread unless by doing setup spec. He even suggested a suitable - convincing role for him but even after me asking why are you trying to do that he said " This is where a lot of the attention is already is" as an excuse.

Thats exactly scum mindset cause Thats where they can safely Buy Time and Town confusion.

Ok, this is a good point. But I still think "why so sure" was a legitimate question screen could've had, and he did do

some

stuff to actually try to sort dreal.

Suddenly after me pointing this out I get to L1 and if I wasn't online to claim I was lynched. Knowing the ratio of scum in this (and the fact I'm voteless and there is a double voter and the awful way TTTT sheeped those votes in this post:

It's certainly a possibility that TTTT is buddies with screen, but I wouldn't base anything on that theory. I didn't like him sheeping too much either.

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

^^^ Which is practically a scum claim. Look at this guilty conscious ...

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

But you are reacting.

The fact your trying to fake calmness in it is fake

Nope

so scum

I don't really see much here, maybe you can explain? I see screen of either alignment wanting to know the case on him, so I understand why he says he wasn't reacting. You could interpret asking why someone scumreads him as a reaction, but I didn't interpret it as a reaction.

So your not saying he isn't scum but you thinking I'm scumier because I have asked the wrong questions?

He tried to make it like my vote on him has any realations to my not sure yet read on not mafia without actually accusing me or him of anything cause he couldn't win that argument - He just wanted to throw dirt on town councious here

Let's stop here, I don't see how screen is saying those things are related. "you think x is scummier than y" contains no implications that the reads on x and y are related.

Question mark at the end.

Acting like he is actually asking me if I'm assosciative with not mafia or not - like its not a loaded question

Well, I certainly see how he could be scum implying that you two are buddies, but I also see how he could be town who wants to make clear your position.

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Please don't say that. I would hate to be the reason you never play here again.

returnes to my asking for pressure with such an ATE

Well it's not really a self-defense AtE, but ok

tried to divert attention in the middle of the conversation with me again - obviously to that spammer drealmz -

Ok this is a good point actually. I don't think scum tend to try to divert a lot, however I don't like that he seemed oblivious to where he was diverting.

attacked my self meta to say how my stubborness can be harmful to town - trying to lecture me - more apeasing.

If you remember, I was on his side here and stand by it. If someone tunnels on you and you're town, it makes sense to try to explain how stubbornness hurts town to try to get the tunneler back on track.

And where was he appeasing?

Accuse me that my push on him is acting but not discussing it in light :

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

Fine but this is semantics.

What an unrealated crap - trying to make me feel guilty about my stubborn push on him instead of doing anything for the game:

Point out the times you have been wrong in your game play.

Again, it's what I would do as town to get the tunneler to second guess themselves and be less stubborn. Idk if you've been tunneled on as town before but I think this is very much that mindset.

KNows he can't push me or fight back a 1v1 and tries to delay my push on him - Buying time to delay sumhunting - his exuse is that "he is not as good as me" when he was trying to leture me before:

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

Again, this could be scum trying to buy time but it could also be town explaining his scumhunting process as a newb.

agreed when someone brough a lurker to attention. OMGUSed (not with vote - I mean reationed) ASAP after the post but because he was working he posted an answer to ASP 30 mins later. I don't buy this crap.

@screen I'd like you to address this in more detail. Why exactly did you read the post and not respond right away?

I am going to have to agree with our Stubborn Maiden. I don't think talking about rl is an alignment indicator. I have done it before.
If you are having a bad week I'm sorry to hear that ASP.

ASP seems to have an indifferent attitude. Maybe that might give onsite to there alignment. I don't feel like scum would try to give off that type of attitude. Draws a little to much attention I think.

THen he calms the newly formed wagon on ASP down. kepping in mind ASP is highly lurking this can be either :

- bussying : ASP and he are scum partners. ASP voted him as his first vote after lurk to distant. He wants to deflect the wagon for now
- Distancing : ASP is a lurker and there is a good chance for getting a mislynh there (if he is town) so staying away from the wagon that was easily fornmed on him and acting calm about it is what a scum will do in this case

Ok those are possible

- none : Screen is town and he agrees with my attck to infinity about RL stuff - Infinity likes screen attidue but doesn't agree with the point he is agreed with which makes him a hypocrat.

No, it doesn't make me a hypocrite to townread someone I disagree with.

Basically there are some good points here but there's also a lot of attributing scum mindset to things that could easily and do come from town.

I'd rather lynch ASP and I could also compromise on TTTT.

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Spoiler:

I'm not basing my case about screen on assosciative tells. I'm just saying suddenly I got to L1 with Drealm you and TTTT votes right after me expressing something about screen before letting him to react was actually cute and definitely weigthened my scumread on screen.

Yes but for this to even be a point to me TTTT has to be scum cause dreal is conf jester and I am town

I poked him with a comment about how fake was his behavior and he instead of attacking back or trying to analyze his behavior claimed he didn't react yet. Look at the content around that to understand what I'm talking about. Instead of engaging with me he tried to disarm me and end the conversation.

I kinda see what you're saying but also I agree with screen that he wasn't necessarily reacting. Wondering why someone is scumreading you isn't really a reaction.

no I want to move. so he out of nowhere asked about my read on Not Mafia and compared it with my read on him and his read on him for what exactly? I destroyed his manipulative process by outing his plan immidiatly. He wasnt accusing em of anything, he was throwing shade

He wasn't pushing me. He wasn't asking questions. He had no read on me. He wasn't interacting, he was just trying to imply that is a possibility to see if others will accept it or not the way scum will. There is a very thiny obvious line between scumhunting and throwing shade and Its obvious which one was it.

He could've been town trying to clarify your position. If he had said something like "FA is avoiding n_m despite being suspicious of him, interesting" then that would be throwing shade. But I don't see where screen implied you two were scumbuddies or tried to plant that idea into people's minds.

I will quote it after this post. It makes sense to explain that I agree, if he really is town he would do that as well. He did this after me asking for more pressure on him betting on my career to just make others feel like my meta is not an important factor about the accuracy of my reads not to stop my push on him read his posts again and see how they were trying to force me to tell my meta bugs.

Ehh, ok? It's true that making you state where you messed up is unlikely to make you change your mindset, but screen could've thought it would.

What do you mean semantics? He litterally did nothing to push me or NM. All he did was throwing shade.

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

If the quote was:

You are beginning to

seem

like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

Wouldn't that make a difference? How easy is it to interchange those words as town?

That's what I mean by semantics.

No if he was a newbie town, after me pressuring him he would get motovated to do more work not to divert it more and more. This divertion is just scum's.

That's certainly one way newb town could act, but certainly not the only way. If the only way you know how to play is slow, that wouldn't change with someone pressuring you.

there is no fourth scenario I can think of about that theater. I know you must know your alignment so In my pov you should have screen as confscum.

What? I believe in the third scenario, but just because screen disagrees with me on that point doesn't mean I can't townread him.

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^ Indicates a suspicion of not_mafia is scum with me

No, the context was that he was questioning why n_m would buddy and sheep you, and questioning your scumread on n_m.

The only other place you said he called you scum was addressed in the quote wall.

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You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

@screen: Respond to this please, and why didn't you respond to it earlier?

Going to take a breather and wait for screen's input

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She kept leaning back and forth to me. So I was trying to sort her out.

Here I was thinking that you townread her the whole time...and where were you sorting her???

But it still seems so newb town...

ugh

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Ok I got that but he's at least a little newby right?

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I was asking if he's somewhat newbish even if he's not completely newbish

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Is it wrong of me to have a complete lack of understanding of crystal that I don't know what to make of her??

Well ok.

But why not at least ask her questions or something?

Also, have you actually played in any games offsite? How many games have you played total?

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Screen, why would you be worried about other people blaming you for distracting? Isn't getting a better read more important?

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I need to sort things out for me before I can push for everyone else.

Ugh this is something I definitely remember feeling under pressure as town

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Just because it's something scum might do doesn't mean it's something town shouldn't do. But ok.

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FA, I think I'm going to look in other directions for now but I'll still seriously consider the possibility that screen is scum, never feel like you're not being heard cause I'll listen <3

We need SAJ, n_m, ASP, kain, and a mod in this thread.

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That's fine

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Nope

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Yeah you shouldn't have been such an obvious jester

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Sorry, but I like to assume the mod didn't lie in the rules. If that's not true, I'll talkt to the listmods about it post game.

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But if what you're claiming is true the mod lied IN THE RULES

I'm giving the mod the benefit of the doubt

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Hello? Is a mod home? How about the other half of the playerlist?

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Lol

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get well

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VOTE: kain
VOTE: kain

Who's scum?

@n_m: Who's scum with screen

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I could put you to L-1 right now

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A candle hidden behind a wall that can burn forever
The only sign of its existence to a passerby is a faint glow cast on the floor
It could fade into the darkness forever and no one would notice

Cracked barrels of grain lay amid a sea of fire in the cellar before it is discovered.
By then, it's too late. A startled servant is chased up the stairs, feeling the intense heat grab hold of the back of his neck.
By the time the alarm bells ring, the wave of destruction covers half of the first floor, including the body of a servant who didn't run fast enough.
Flames jump throughout the castle, systematically yet chaotically incinerating every wooden object in sight.
Huge buckets of water constitute minor delays in the spread of the massive blaze.
Maids, knights, and princes alike decide the hard rock below would be more comforting than the translucent red grasp of the fire.

Hours later, clouds of ash still clog the air of the windowless, abandoned, charred structure.
Yet somewhere in the thick blackness of the cellar
Remains a tiny spark
Where there once was a candle.

Let's lynch someone. The game is going nowhere.

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VOTE: n_m
VOTE: n_m

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Are you ASP? If so it's because ASP was lurking and AtE'd by giving a lot of specifics about his rl issues.

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Prodding kainTepes, Secret Agent jin, Not_Mafia and A Simple Plan.

with a chainsaw.

Just noticed, this is p funny

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Toto, there's really not much that happened except for crystal's case on screen and dreal being an IC jester. It's very possible that if not for dreal, we'd have half as many pages. Your slot, SAJ, n_m, and kain haven't done enough to get much of a read. I mean, I thought ASP was scummy, but that was just one post...

Screen still feels town to me so I'm trying to push other people and get opinions out of them or maybe a lynch to get things going but it's not doing very much since they're not here.

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I have two newbie games complete.
I am in 3 right now.

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Being a newb is not the reason why I townread screen.

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If screen was an experienced player, I'd still townread him.

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626

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honestly a lot of it comes down to tone. I know you won't like that answer but that's what it is.

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you said its look like newbie town

Not really, I tried to explain why I think most things you accused screen of are possible from town regardless of alignment. I just got fed up with the wall war.

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regardless of alignment

regardless of experience*

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Ugh you're annoying

But it's your role. Do what you want

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Sorry I can't in good faith lynch a townread

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I think we're just seeing it in a different way, and that's ok. I'll never rule out the possibility of him being scum.

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but, hey, I'm just a jackass spammer, so, don't listen to me

Couldn't have said it better myself

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Wow. 5 pages of shit.

Toto why did you end up voting screen?

@n_m Just claim, I don't have patience for this shit.

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Fair enough, I like n_m better though.

intent to L-1 n_m

if it wasn't clear

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I think it's reasonable to vote n_m if he doesn't claim in his next post. The game is going nowhere otherwise, and n_m's play in general has been fairly scummy

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It's true that it's not n_m or nothing but like, I'd rather lynch a non-townread

*cue argument starting over again*

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"I want to get qucikhammerequickhammered by dreal"

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"I want to get qucikhammerequickhammered by dreal"

whats even your point

only a jester will want that >.>

If I vote n_m, he will get quickhammered. If he doesn't claim, I will vote him.

n_m, I will vote you if you don't claim in your next post

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Why is it stupid

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VOTE: n_m

It's not scummy to refuse to claim, but n_m has been scummy otherwise and I want him to claim. And I'm not gonna tr him for WIFOM shit

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Jester is a possibility but it's unlikely

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Not unvoting and not lynching screen. n_m is scummy and needs to claim, and screen is still probably town.

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This game would be so much easier for me if I just gave in and did what FA wanted but I hate giving what people want just because they push harder. And also I like winning.

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You can't give a single subtle reason why your townreading him and I can give you 3 wall posts why he is scum

Your "he is talking like town" crap is eaither a lie or a proof that most of the people should not be allowed to use that crap as a reason

FA, hear me out here. I gave very legitimate reasons why I townread screen, and you dismissed them because you don't like them. It's ok if you don't agree, or even if they don't make sense to you, but that doesn't mean they aren't legitimate and you can disregard them. Second of all, I read your entire case and tried to hear out your reasons, and I disagreed. You're acting like you know with 100% certainty that you are right and I am wrong, when there is no way you can know that and in fact no way anyone can ever know that unless there is a scumclaim. Now all of this doesn't mean I'm treating screen as conf town, and I am a little bit worried that he isn't doing much to push forward the game. However, he has given good reasons based on his playstyle for his behavior, so I want to give him a chance and leave him alive at least for today. Make sense?

Infinity and Screen are scum at the least, maybe more, but they are obvious

Claim

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why aren't you looking at Toto's slot anymore?

Forgot to mention him, the questions he's been asking look relatively town.

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UNVOTE:

I don't want a quickhammer, as powerful as the threat of it is

(Only unvoting once works just as well)

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Infinity unvote NM completly

someone else put a vote

Infinity intent to hammer with double vote

and no it doesn't make sense infinity

Your disagreement with my case without giving a good reason means nothing

you being worried about the slot means nothing to me. You think "They might be town" becuase of "tone reasons" or "they are like a newbie town" is just pure crap and I explained why.

I have solid scuread on them based on the same tone thing - by looking out of the box and calling out where did they apeased. This is a micro with 1 or 2 chance of mislynch. not going to let you let a scum survive today that will survive later days at this rate when no one is actually doing any shit to evaluate them.

You think they're bad reasons. I don't. I will take into consideration your read but I don't sheep and at some point I just have to go with what I believe is right.

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Honestly I want to just lynch someone inactive. Everyone active appears town to me in varying degrees, TTTT is not super towny but like how he was the only one to notice that I wasn't pursuing ASP's replacement. Makes me seem like he cared about my read progression.

Actually, toto, did that bother you as well?

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I don't like that vote

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VOTE: toto

You don't seem convinced that tttt is actually scum at all

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3) The only reason people are town reading you is for speculating on the potential set up. That is normally considered a scumtell and is called iioa.

This is the only thing in your post that is an accusation of a scumtell, and it is not even a definitive "you did this scummy thing".

1. Do you think his setup spec is scummy?
2. Why can't town make a bad vote on you?

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His reads are not adapting with new information. He is adapting the information to his reaf

Why is that a scumtell and not confirmation bias?

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Replacements usually come in with fresh perspectives and new ideas and thoughts.

What do you think about this whole situation

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VOTE: toto

Backtrack

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This is not town screenplay at all.

Have you played with him before?

I don't think his statements were particularly town but I don't think they're unreasonable from town either. Just because someone replaced in doesn't mean they can't put in as much effort.

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Screen, one thing I'm worried about is that you don't seem to be adding much to the game anymore, though you were at the beginning. Why don't you try to ask questions and figure people out if you don't know who scum is?

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What question do I need to ask?

Idk man, there have been so many pages you have to find some things suspicious.

Who let the day go by other than people who weren't here to post? Why not question them? Tbh, why shouldn't you be considered as someone who let the day go by because since the first few days you haven't given us much.

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He voted tttt for 2 NAI things and something he didn't even outright say was scummy. It didnt seem like he really thought tttt was scum. Then when I asked him why tttt couldn't be confbiased, he backtracked and said he could be.

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We need a mod

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I scumread that part as well, it wasn't anything specific he said but it was just too much RL specifics that we didn't need to know

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Who let the day go by other than people who weren't here to post? Why not question them? Tbh, why shouldn't you be considered as someone who let the day go by because since the first few days you haven't given us much.

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I have been in the middle of this entire day. It's revolved around me.

No. Just because FA made a case on you does not give you an excuse not to scumhunt. You haven't given any names of people you suspect for slowing the game down other than n_m, and you yourself haven't done anything to speed it up. What's going on dude?

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if you gave us vc's that'd be great

...I just realized that lynching vs. shooting dreal doesn't make a difference to the rest of the game assuming he doesn't end the game when lynched. What do you think FA, can he stay alive if he stops spamming?

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I guess the idea is that it's better for us to kill scum suspects than jesters that can't cause us to lose

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The game hasn't been activ enough to do anything. I made a point on NM voted NM and it was ignored. I was throwing some feeler questions at crystal and I now think she is town. You have defended me but I don't know if it's WK. I don't get why I'm looking scum and you say you don't think I am. I don't know if that is something you know or feel.
TTTT stayed focused on dreamz longer than any of us. I think it's nai just like I wanted to get my own understanding of dreamz.
Toto comes in with no new perspective just agreeing with the biggest lynchable case.

I'm mixed on you, on the one hand I think someone unsure about the game should be more active and constantly doing stuff to try to figure out, on the other hand the way you approach the game seems genuine and I liked your early play a lot.

You say that about toto right after tttt just said toto did a lot of restating. so...

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You don't leave someone alive who can quick hammer.

It's annoying to have that, but it's not worth wasting a mislynch if we can treat l-2 like l-1.

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Why are you not pushing the scum case and focus on the bad town case? Are you WKing?

If you're talking about tttt, I'm getting townvibes from him and nothing he's done pings me as scummy

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I am pressuring him now that I feel he's worthy of pressure. I didn't before, I was townreading him.

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You have two ways to pressure him. Why are your votes on me instead?

Because I think you're scummier

also because I don't necessarily trust dreal's VC and screen might be at L-1

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Innocent Scumbag

Mod-confirmed innocent who has to act as scummy as possible. Will win if lynched, can also win with town. If investigated the night before, suddenly acts pro-town the next day.

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Not caught up but this is Kodak moment level shit and you guys dont seem to be appreciating it

I mean ok, take the game seriously but step back for a second and see how hilarious it is that we have three (3) kaintepes in this game. Three. Four including dreal.

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Voteless Lyncher

Target is random.

Actually, this is a possibility lol

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@FA I think you should leave dreal alive since he can't make us lose. We should try to kill scum

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I'm pretty sure actual kaintepes is town because he could just troll but he seems to be trying. Alisae I'm not so sure. Screen giving his vote to FA makes him more likely to be town I think (you don't want to risk shooting your buddy) but you never know

scum is in {screen, alisae, n_m, toto} and maybe tttt.

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The argument for who should choose the shot is dumb. One of you just pick someone. Mainly screen, if FA doesn't want to pick someone you can't force her to

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I very much doubt FA is mafia

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The argument for who should choose the shot is dumb. One of you just pick someone. Mainly screen, if FA doesn't want to pick someone you can't force her to

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You're not going to convince her to name your shot. Choose someone your fucking self.

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This is such a stupid argument. You can't force someone to call your shot who doesn't want to. Shoot someone you think is scum and get on with it.

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I want n_m or toto shot

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I think it's somewhat likely screen wants to shoot town and still survive the process so he's trying as hard as he can to put it on you. Not 100% about lynching him though.

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{FA}
{kain}
{tttt}
Null: {alisae, screen}
{n_m, toto}

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Tone I guess, and there were a handful of good points he brought up.

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There is no third party non-killing role that automatically ends the game upon winning, when it is otherwise still possible for either town or any scum faction to win.

This means that if DReal is an Innocent Scumbag scum has no reason to get rid of him until lylo. And at lylo he can self vote and win.

That means we lose lylo with dreal in it, but if we shoot him we lose an extra mislynch so we get to lylo quicker which accomplishes nothing. I think we should play like he doesn't exist except for not putting people at l-1.

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Basically we gain nothing out of killing dreal so we might as well take an extra shot at hitting scum instead.

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I think we need to have a plan to deal with dreal if he is a innocent scumbag. He is effectively mafia aligned in that case.

No, he's a jester. We don't need to kill him to win, so we can leave him alone.

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Infinity seems just too confident about his reads.

I'm not confident in any of my reads except the FA read.

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I think we need to have a plan to deal with dreal if he is a innocent scumbag. He is effectively mafia aligned in that case.

No, he's a jester. We don't need to kill him to win, so we can leave him alone.

It's easy for you to say that. My nightmare scenario you are a double voter scum. That means lylo is tomorrow.

Wouldn't even matter if I was scum, shooting dreal does nothing. It's like not shooting at all.

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I looked through all possibilities of innocent childs, I didn't find any that were mafia or informed

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Ok check again, idk why I missed that.

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Somehow I doubt dreal is standard mafia drawing so much attention to himself but who knows

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I don't think there's a reason to shoot dreal unless there's a reason to believe he's groupscum, which does not fit with his play.

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He can not make it to lylo r we lose. That sounds like a good reason to me.

If we shoot him and he's a jester though, we just lose instead of getting to lylo.

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FA I get that my statement was not related

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He can not make it to lylo r we lose. That sounds like a good reason to me.

If we shoot him and he's a jester though, we just lose instead of getting to lylo.

Not according to mod post. I asked this question already. Also he wins when

lynched

(not shot) or if town wins. Any of those two conditions makes him win. And according to mod answer him winning does not mean town can't win later.

It's a 2/1/1 situation, we have 1 possible lynch left. If we lynch jester!dreal, town loses. If we leave dreal alive, we have a chance to win.

Shooting him earlier has the same consequences (namely, 1 less mislynch) but we make the choice earlier.

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Yeah of screen is a town dayvig it's really bad play to delay shooting so long just because you picked someone to choose for you and they won't choose

We need kills to get info.

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bolded part seems to contradict mod post.

No lol. If we lynch dreal in a 2/1/1, mafia kills a townie and endgames the other even if dreal winning doesn't end the game.

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Yeah of screen is a town dayvig it's really bad play to delay shooting so long just because you picked someone to choose for you and they won't choose

We need kills to get info.

Apparently my play has been bad all day. Let's keep it consistent

I'm sorry I shouldn't have called your play bad.

But please please please please just kill someone.

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Yeah of screen is a town dayvig it's really bad play to delay shooting so long just because you picked someone to choose for you and they won't choose

We need kills to get info.

he didn't knew my claim when he found out the scum roles drealm could be.

What does that have to do with what I said

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bolded part seems to contradict mod post.

No lol. If we lynch dreal in a 2/1/1, mafia kills a townie and endgames the other even if dreal winning doesn't end the game.

You mean if we lynch him at a lylo situation? then I agree with you

I just realized 2/1/1 is a loss for town no matter what. I think you're right here.

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The only time dreamz became a must kill is when you outed. Why is it hard to understand why it became a must kill?

I don't understand this, why can't FA kill n_m and become conf town?

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I see, you're saying FA should say she's killing dreal in order to avoid the NK.

But why doesn't FA die anyway? Mafia shouldn't care if a jester is still alive

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Ok. Now kill someone.

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No screen she will not choose for you. You have to decide based on who you think is scum.

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FA, just tell him who to shoot. He's being unnecessarily stubborn.

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Oh sorry I didn't think we had a lot of time.

Fine.

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zzzzz

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TTTTEPES

lol

I think this is likely scum tbh.

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Actually I'd shoot alisae over toto at this point. Maybe not n_m. I'm not super confident in any of them though.

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My case is that you're not scumhunting.

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Tunneling on 1 or 2 players doesn't count as scumhunting. FA has one very strong read but at least she's looking elsewhere and asking questions and trying to figure stuff out. You are not.

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Just because you're pretending to be kaintepes doesn't mean you have to be a complete idiot....

Of course it's inconsistent, he was pretending to be kain sometimes but didn't feel like doing it all the time. I have no idea why that's the slightest bit alignment indicative.

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My case is that you're not scumhunting.

This is because KAIN TEPES is TOWNHUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!
VOTE: INFINITY

You're not even townhunting, you're just saying people are town without questioning or giving reasons.

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He ATTEMPTING to FAKE a POST RESTRICTION that he ACTUALLY does NOT HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's just fucking around.

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The way KAIN TEPES see it, he was trying to blend in!!!!!

He was trying to blend it because it caused chaos and was funny

Again, how is that AI?

If you're town and trolling I'm going to be so annoyed...

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Never said n_m was scumhunting, if you read my posts you'd know I don't think he's towny.

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You being so willing to vote him doesn't make me want to tbh.

But we'll talk about it after screen chooses his shot.

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You don't have to choose now, you can wait for everyone to check in. You can even stubbornly refuse to choose unless crystal chooses for you, even though that's really annoying.

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You being so willing to vote him doesn't make me want to tbh.

This does not make SENSE to KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!
You SCUMREAD NOT_MAFIA and KAIN TEPES,,,,, but you do not want to vote NOT_MAFIA????
I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are SCUMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

We're going to have someone dayvigged, I'll re-evaluate after that. But right now you're scummier than n_m imo

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If I voted tttt, wouldn't you be less likely to want to lynch tttt?

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In a probably 2 scum game? That'd be pretty bold

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Of course bussing is always a possibility but when I have 4 suspects and one votes the other the first thing I think of isn't "oh he's bussing"

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Imo it's much more likely for townread their partner if there's only one

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Well it's stronger than anyone else for sure, I feel like if town he would actually try to scumhunt and justify himself instead of just hiding behind the PR to troll. I mean the PR really shouldn't affect it tha much, and it would be clear alisae was doing absolutely nothing if he didn't have the PR.

I never had a very strong scumread on n_m tbh.

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But we'll see what happens wth the dayvig, for example if alisae is lynched and flips town I'd definitely vote n_m

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I...I'm at L-3

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You can have fun dude, but you're also playing a mafia game

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Reads pls