Thankfully, I have rolled town.
But this
His filter is crap.
His neck needs a noose right around.
Townies are usually direct,In post 257, BTD6_maker wrote:...
PA is assuming that lack of content is scummy. This may be true when all the high-volume posters are more Townish than the lurkers, but this is not the case here.Posters who post lots of scummy content are better votes than posters who post less content and are harder to read.
In post 230, BTD6_maker wrote:-Grey- looks mildly suspicious.They are voting Firebringer with next to no reasoning. They are making a lot of posts that are of very little use. They are getting very emotional over irrelevant matters.I am not sure whether they are actual scum, though, or just bad Town.
In post 344, BTD6_maker wrote:ThinkTepes is an interesting case.I currently have them as weak scum.
I say an interesting casebecause there are two players with two contrasting playstyles. I feel that it is ThinkBig who is mainly giving reasons and analysis rather than KainTepes.Either way, I will judge their replacement (unless they somehow show up).
In post 366, The Poetic Assassin wrote:Here's my analyzation of JaeReed:
In a multiball game I played with them, they were really quite new iirc.
Then I played in a Newbie game with them, and they (along with most) gave me a Town read.
My guess is that JeaReed either is still trying to figure out how to play exactly and are Town, or They have come a long way and they are Scum.
???
Why are you voting
Why do you thinkIn post 456, -Grey- wrote:So he voted a townread despite all the crowing about how bad my hammer was AND saying he wanted to lynch me yesterday?
Lel.
VOTE: TPA
In post 474, The Poetic Assassin wrote:He could have just been NKed because certain people Town read him? Readdynamics or something like that.In post 473, The Poetic Assassin wrote:yeah, I was going to look at the stances Flubber made, but hadn't got around to it yet. It could be telling that he voted Maker, but I would need to see some reasoning from flubber on Maker to conclude that is why he was killed.In post 470, hapahauli wrote:But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last nightdied,Flubbernugget
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?
What is Maker at? I'd like to vote him.
The point I'm trying to submit,In post 474, The Poetic Assassin wrote:He could have just been NKed because certain people Town read him? Readdynamics or something like that.In post 473, The Poetic Assassin wrote:yeah, I was going to look at the stances Flubber made, but hadn't got around to it yet. It could be telling that he voted Maker, but I would need to see some reasoning from flubber on Maker to conclude that is why he was killed.In post 470, hapahauli wrote:But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last nightdied,Flubbernugget
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?
What is Maker at? I'd like to vote him.
A few people called BTD suspicious,In post 481, JaeReed wrote:I don't think grey is scum.
@gerry I need time to reread basically. The flips so far means my reads were absolute shit, especially given Flubber nightkill over someone like penguin who was pretty unanimously agreed on as town.
@hap Flubber was also investigating both myself and gerry. Why do you believe he was killed for investigating btd rather than gerry or myself?
In post 464, hapahauli wrote:also thinks mafia isPenguin_alienGrey,
Because he’s posting in an anti-town way,
But instead of pushing her vote,
She argues withGerryoat
I would also lynch her today.
Mafia like to boast,In post 519, BTD6_maker wrote:I will pick apart Hapahauli's case on me.
JaeReed very deeply considers the TPA situation. It's so easy for scum to just jump all over this, but you can see he's actively considering all explanations here.In post 458, JaeReed wrote:I mean that's kind of why I asked for reasons and mentioned the 180. Which he then ignored.
I don't know if being inconsistent coming in after a night phase is necessarily scummy though beyond surface level. Like you'd have to believe he'd be that sloppy as scum so as to both forget his townread on me prior to the lynch, and not have a case ready to push when asked about the read flip.
Again, same thought process. Considering both sides of the argument, posting real analysis, and not painting things as a black or white issue. You can see he's actually trying to read my posts, and not turning my rhyming into a black-or-white issue.In post 583, JaeReed wrote:One thing I did like about hap was he took hard stances on I think every major issue in the thread. The read on Grey, Tepes, TPA.
What I don't like is that along with his style this game he has only pushed lynchbait low content posters, which makes it incredibly hard to read him.
It's something that can come from town just as easily as from scum. It's plausible he believes he has PoE'd the game down to that. It's just not how it has been framed so far in that it all seems like actual scumreads from him.
Seemingly, thinks I'm town.In post 496, -Grey- wrote:hap raises a valid point.
Agrees with my post on BTB/Flubber.In post 524, -Grey- wrote:I actually agree with this.In post 523, The Poetic Assassin wrote:Err.. not necessarily?In post 521, BTD6_maker wrote:This assumes that because Flubbernugget was voting me and he died, that is evidence against me. Dead Townies can be wrong,In post 470, hapahauli wrote:But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last nightdied,Flubbernugget
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?
and are as likely to be wrong as any other Townie.
Town is often killed for being on the right track. Aside from PR kills, the next biggest threat is read accuracy.
He thinks I am impossible to read.In post 560, -Grey- wrote:Oh yeah, and hapahauli is fucking impossible to read because of that rhyming shtick.
Therefore, vote me?
In my experience playing this game, stuff like this always comes from mafia. Mafia generally aren't confident, but try to put up a "front" of calmness or confidence. But that also betrays their mentality. When a townie is falsely accused, you generally see a very emotional response. Something along the lines of "FUCK YOU, I'M TOWN." Even if people don't explicitly say it, posts will generally betray that mentality. You'll typically see some emotion (sadness, anger, frustration). Most people do not enjoyed being called liars.In post 519, BTD6_maker wrote:I will pick apart Hapahauli's case on me.
In post 464, hapahauli wrote:also thinks mafia isPenguin_alienGrey,
Because he’s posting in an anti-town way,
But instead of pushing her vote,
She argues withGerryoat
I would also lynch her today.
This defense is pretty bad.In post 512, penguin_alien wrote:Very quick post, around more this weekend, husband had surgery early yesterday, been dealing with prep/aftermath.
From my scan:
Limericks are fucking annoying, FTR. I don't think gerryoat started conflict with me per se that prevented me from pursuing my lynch choice. Firebringer begging for rope did more for that after my own apathy. Have to reread in light of flips. Don't have current reads.
It makes very little sense for Alisae to attack JaeReed for not reading me as suspicious without voting me. It shows a mentality that he's voting someone, throwing reasons for why they could be mafia, throwing reasons for why OTHER people could be mafia, and making the next vote.In post 571, JaeReed wrote:I'll let you in on a secret that I'm fairly sure you would have figured out by now, and I'm pretty sure I've also told you when we were discussing tells.In post 563, Alisae wrote:Hey JaeReed.
How come you didn't push hapahuali yet for things like, say, idunno, 470?
No tell is perfect. Town will also jump on a nightkill. That's why you have to analyze the way one goes about it.
I could ask you the same thing, though. Why vote Grey first and then me instead of hap if you feel like that's something I should have pushed on? Shouldn't you then be voting hap?
I'll also share something else with you: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8332123
I'm pretty sure I've already shown you that but take a look and memorize it for when you're town. You're making the same mistake scum!GL made here in assuming I'll listen to a scumread trying to tempt me with one of my tells. If I thought enough of it either way I'd be pushing it.
This is the closest thing you have:In post 607, hapahauli wrote:Anyway Grey, I don't know where you stand on this game beyond your "annoyance" vote. Who do you think is mafia?
Have you not been following that Alisae replaced in for penguin?
In post 607, hapahauli wrote:Anyway Grey, I don't know where you stand on this game beyond your "annoyance" vote. Who do you think is mafia?
Have you not been following that Alisae replaced in for penguin?
The bolded is what I'm curious about, because it's very vague. Mainly the reads on Gerry and the Alisae/Penguin slot.In post 558, -Grey- wrote:I have a grudge scumread on TPA. I think his push on me is disingenuous.In post 552, Alisae wrote:tho Grey I still would like your reads
That said, I agree with stuff he says thatisn'tabout me... so I'm kinda torn there.
My pet scumread was flubber and I was going to keep pushing him today, but he was killed last night so meh.
I'm not explicitly townreading BTD, but he's not exactly a scumread either. Not a fan of Gerry pushing me to hop on the wagon when it's already at L-2.
Penguin was striking me as lurker scum.
Jae is town.
Sure.In post 612, -Grey- wrote:Before I talk to you about gerry, why don't you tell me why you aren't pushing Gerry instead of BTD considering you are following flubber's reads?In post 609, hapahauli wrote:The bolded is what I'm curious about, because it's very vague. Mainly the reads on Gerry and the Alisae/Penguin slot.
Since flubber died voting Gerry, that's obviously who he was scumreading the strongest.
And yeah, it's hard not to be vague when talking about lurkers.
I really regret bringing Flubber up in the first place, because people seem to be latching on to that a lot more than what makes BTB6_maker actually scummy - his defense.In post 495, hapahauli wrote: The point I'm trying to submit,
Is that Firebringer's reads can be shit,
But if we're going to listen to the dead,
We should listen Flubber instead.
Cause Firebringer didn't play he just quit.
When I had just replaced in, I skimmed the thread and plopped down a vote on gerry. I found him being critical of the thread suspicious, and wanted to see how people would react. Of course, the day ended far earlier than I anticipated after Flubber got hammered.In post 613, -Grey- wrote:After reading Hap's ISO, I'm really looking forward to his answer.
He was pushing gerry d1, who flubber was also voting.
Then, overnight he forgets that push and bounces over to BTD out of the blue.
It doesn't make sense.
Fire. I meant fire. Anyway, is there anything in my explanation that doesn't make sense?In post 617, -Grey- wrote:Flubber didn't get hammered. Fire did.
Guess I'm not the only one that forgets shit.
I can't say I agree with your townread on Gerry. He asks a lot of questions, but I never see him actually doing anything with it. It's like he's just dropping them in the thread to look engaged, but not actually responding to the answers he's being given.
It's a thought process that show's he's actively considering the game, and not just pushing suspicion around.In post 472, gerryoat wrote:I guess what was said about TPA not doing something that obvious as scum makes sense, but idk. Coulda just been a spur of the moment thing. Either way,
VOTE: BTD6_Maker
Just more evidence of BTB being mafia. It's a pure OMGUS vote.
Townies just don't do this. This isn't scum-hunting or "catching-up", it's throwing shit at a wall.In post 601, hapahauli wrote:VOTE: Alisae
...
Her vote sequence on me is also very bad. While I don't care much for her reasons for voting me, I don't think they're independently scummy. What's scummy is what he does after voting me.
Votes me.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8785400
Attacks Tepes.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8785437
Attacks TPA
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8785618
Attacks BTD (despite having her vote on the guy who has been pushing him the hardest).
He's not just "catching up". He's just throwing shit around and seeing what sticks.
Ergo, he's mafia.
And yet, you consider him readable?In post 630, -Grey- wrote:Yup.In post 628, hapahauli wrote:Yeah actually.
Townies just don't do this. This isn't scum-hunting or "catching-up", it's throwing shit at a wall.In post 601, hapahauli wrote:VOTE: Alisae
...
Her vote sequence on me is also very bad. While I don't care much for her reasons for voting me, I don't think they're independently scummy. What's scummy is what he does after voting me.
Votes me.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8785400
Attacks Tepes.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8785437
Attacks TPA
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8785618
Attacks BTD (despite having her vote on the guy who has been pushing him the hardest).
He's not just "catching up". He's just throwing shit around and seeing what sticks.
Ergo, he's mafia.
Does it make sense to you that he has his vote on me, while attacking BTD for discrediting a dead townie?
Townies don't <- I stop reading right here when people are talking about Anime Ali.
I'll read through some of his past games to verify, but even seemingly "random" players do have distinctive town and mafia mindsets.In post 621, -Grey- wrote:I'm not interested in voting Alisae at this point. I'd rather give him some time to get acclimated to the game.
Penguin had, what, seven whole posts? Hardly enough to condemn a slot.
One thing is certain, it's not a lurker slot anymore. If Alisae is scum, it'll shine through.
That's funny.In post 645, Alisae wrote:The only reason why I voted Hap was because of the poetry shit.
The fact they stopped doing it after I voted them cause they seemed like they were putting more effort into ryhming says either I caught it or they just want to be helpful to teh town and try not to hurt it as much.
...
In post 587, Alisae wrote:Yep.
Someone is putting effort into making their post rhyme and making their posts look pretty.
But not any into actually playing the game besides pushing lurkers and low content posters.
Smells like bullshit.In post 579, Alisae wrote:I did a gambit without knowing what it is.In post 576, JaeReed wrote:You're claiming Slayer's gambit here and I don't buy it.In post 572, Alisae wrote:Cause I'm a replacement who replaced in attempting to reaction test. I liked the response I got.In post 571, JaeReed wrote:Why vote Grey first and then me instead of hap if you feel like that's something I should have pushed on? Shouldn't you then be voting hap?
Okay I'll vote hap now cuz I like you now cuz you has gud reasons for scumreading me not to mention your interactions with me seem to be coming from town.
VOTE: Hap
What's your reason for suspecting Hap? Why did you feel you needed a reaction test to get reads rather than reading the thread and coming to conclusions on what you wanted to push based off that?
Why do you feel my reaction was town over scum? Was there anything in particular you thought I'd not do as scum there?
Ok.
I'm suspecting Hap becuase they're pushing lurkers (BTD, my slot), and they even jumped on BTD for a NK. Seems to me like they really want that lynch to go through for some reason.
And I do that reaction test stuff while I go ISO people. Why can't I do both?
Cuz I'm seeing moreso town motivation rather then OMGUS and scummy posts. AKA the posts I saw in your ISO sorta seemed lackingish to me. I just felt like there could be more. But then I got more. So I liked it.
Do you think it is impossible for mafia to vote for their partner?In post 645, Alisae wrote:The only reason why I voted Hap was because of the poetry shit.
The fact they stopped doing it after I voted them cause they seemed like they were putting more effort into ryhming says either I caught it or they just want to be helpful to teh town and try not to hurt it as much.
So here, let me give Hap more ammo
Intent to Hammer
Claim in your next post