Micro 678: Grand Idea Mafia! - GAME OVER!

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Have we heard from enough people to choose a shot?

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...interesting

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That role is basically useless. So it makes me lean towards town

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Scum are more likely to claim more powerful roles for obvious reasons

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What if he's a scum rolecop

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yet scum knows you think that so...

It's WIFOM but that doesn't mean it's not a factor. Scum still claim powerful roles more often than not

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n_m

Rolecop investigates as ...investigative

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Also I'm sure there's a few mafia cops in the thread lol

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That didn't seem like a calculated claim

He could've planned it in advance.

But I'd prefer alisae nonetheless

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Yeah I'm down for lynching screen afterwards tbh

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Crystal said to shoot alisae

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n_m can investigate dreal and turn him into town

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@Screen shoot aliese

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Hmm

I think scum dayvig would've shot crystal there if they were in danger of being lynched

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I'm starting to like toto for town more. n_m should stay alive to convert dreal. That means I think I want to lynch tttt or toto today, despite the fact that they both look townish to me they're our best bet.

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Actually dreal can win with the town. So there's no reason to ever shoot him unless we think he's mafia.

Dreal converting should confirm n_m is an investigative of some kind. So kain can be on tttt or toto.

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Hmm

I think scum dayvig would've shot crystal there if they were in danger of being lynched

Ok its infinity - screen very likely

sorry for shooting aliese

Where is my logic off

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Alisae has associatives to basically no one, the flip is pretty much irrelevant

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They shooting me was a direct scum claim - it wouldn't let scum them live

You contradicted yourself - just before the shot you said you like to push screen and now your trying to finding bullshit reasons for townreading them?

nah

The reason I said to lynch screen beforehand was because I wanted to give him the impression he was fucked. I think it's likely scum!screen in this situation would feel doomed anyway and just say fuck it.

I might reconsider if this is a townflip though. If it's a scumflip screen is definitely town.

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This game is very frustrating

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The reason I said to lynch screen beforehand was because I wanted to give him the impression he was fucked.

If you read my posts relating to screen and the general gamestate before that one, you'll see I wouldn't have been so sure about wanting to lynch screen

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If it's a scumflip screen is definitely town.

If aliese was scum, I refuse to let anyone give my town creds to someone else when I did the shooting

screen is confirmed scum.

If you're a scum dayvig who was told to shoot your scumpartner, and are likely going to be lynched anyway, do you do it?

No way

That didn't seem like a calculated claim

He could've planned it in advance.

But I'd prefer alisae nonetheless

Crystal said to shoot alisae

Alisae has associatives to basically no one, the flip is pretty much irrelevant

I think alisae is likely scum, and don't think he has connections to anyone. So?

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This better be scum

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Alisae hasn't even flipped and you are lining up linches

Actually

I want to know what makes you think planning ahead despite the flip not occuring yet is scum motivated

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Screen is not playing like he wants to get lynched.

Also there's only one way to play that role correctly, it's to threaten to shoot everyone towny unless town lynches you.

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Tell me how it makes it easier to avoid being lynched if I talk about my scumreads before the flip

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But if I do it after the flip it doesn't....?

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I don't get it

I don't see how scum!me could set up lynches before the flip but not afterwards

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Yeah it's possible I'm not looking into stuff deep enough, but I really didn't see any connections.

For the first one, I probably should've considered that, but it doesn't seem super AI to me since it was consistent.

Don't get what you mean by 2, of course kain and alisae could be the team but I have a pretty strong townread on kain

That post I disregarded because I saw it as just more trolling

But your points make a lot more sense now

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@screen

toto and n_m agreed

I and tttt and alisae disagreed but then I became less sure

kain idk

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Ok toto moved up a little more.

tttt is alisae's most likely buddy. Or maybe n_m but we'll sort that out tomorrow.

If alisae is town then tttt or screen

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cccccombo breaker

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But why were you SO STUBBORN in making her choose the kill for you? Were you THAT scared of guessing wrong?

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But she wanted you to choose...she only chose for you because you insisted so much.

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I can understand offering FA the chance to choose for you, but I can't understand insisting that she do it even when she didn't want to

That's my main issue with you tbh

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Not a good comparison, because the person probably still wanted the $100 and was just trying to be polite.

More accurate:

"Take this microwave, I don't need it anymore."

"No thanks, I already have 2 microwaves."

"Take it anyway."

"No I'm serious, I don't need it. I'd just give it to someone else."

"You have to take it, I refuse to keep it."

"Ugh ok fine..."

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Not true.
She said she felt powerless without vote. She said I wish I could shoot.

To say she didn't want to have a chance to shoot scum is wrong. She just wasn't expecting it.

I believe what she says about it. But I believe that you believe that I suppose

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I was town

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But were you lyncher?

Who was scum?

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I was lyncher

Wow

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I'm annoyed now that I could just ignored you FA and told you to piss off with your screen case but I didnt

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I'm annoyed now that I could just ignored you FA and told you to piss off with your screen case but I didnt

hey >.>

I was just playing my role

don't be mad at me - I hate being 3p shit roles

It's not your fault, I'm just annoyed

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I hope I at least had decent reads

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But at least you didn't have to put in effort...

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Ok

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That's a good metaphor actually

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Town town town

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blank

wethtwicthin

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If you guys haven't figured it out, dreal has to talk like a little kid

p=f
d=t
r=aw
s=th

And maybe other stuff

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Yep ascetics always claim d1. We shouldn't investigate her anyway since no result doesn't even confirm her as town

If you guys want me to translate dreal's post when I get to a comp, I will

I'm a 2-shot hider btw

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FA, the word you were missing is "read"

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The downside to claiming is that scum know not to shoot you

The upside is that town know not to target you

I think the upside outweighs the downside

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Well maybe but that's the general idea. Scum knowing 1 player has no PR is not that big of a deal.

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for fucks sake! what the fuck!

to help you read this message: pretend I am a little kid

this post is hard to make cause I am a little kid with a post restriction

I don't know how I am going to play with this post restriction shit

this is a really fucked up post restriction so please bear with me

of course I am inno with shit like this - don't kill me! I will be hush more than talk I just had conf. ( ) time to make this message

I spent a good amount of time on this message I hope you are able to laugh and are not having too hard of a time with it

why me? it is making me laugh at least for now

I will do my best

fuck this is hard

I know it is hard for you all too!

as you mebbe guessed I will not be doing a lot of posts of great depth but I will find scum with you

haha! look out scum! here I come!

don't hate me! it is not my fault!!!

I love you all!

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VOTE: n_m

Scumclaim

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It wasn't serious

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dheawe aawe many moawe levelth / dynamicth do id dhan dhad!!!

someone translate this >.>

"There are many more levels/dynamics to it than that"

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Sorry FA, bye

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VOTE: kirroha

Lyncher Jester

To win, you must make sure the Moderator gets lynched and that you get lynched the following day. Good luck

I am genuinely sorry for you if this is your role.

I wanna lynch the mod and then leave alisae alive just for the lolz

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VOTE: kirroha

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Wait

@kirroha What would've happened if the mod were to be lynched?

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Will lynching the mod end the day?

was my main question

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Three of you voted to lynch the mod before understanding the outcome?
That sounds stupid and reckless, by at least if of you.

Yes probably lol

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Hahaha

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HURT: kain

Cause we can't read him otherwise I think

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UNVOTE: I highly doubt lunching the mod ends the day but w/e.
VOTE: tttt too much setup spec and playing like last game

Screen is also playing like last game, and toto same but more aggressively. Both are town.

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@infinity
What makes you think I would play differently if my alignment changed?
Why does Toto being more aggressive make him town?

Because generally people play different when their alignment changes. I guess more specifically my issue with you is that you were setup speccing and asking questions that weren't too alignment indicative.

Because people tend to be more aggressive as town than as scum, especially early on. The only exception is players who are very confident as scum, but there's no reason to believe that about toto.

Yep ascetics always claim d1. We shouldn't investigate her anyway since no result doesn't even confirm her as town

If you guys want me to translate dreal's post when I get to a comp, I will

I'm a 2-shot hider btw

The downside to claiming is that scum know not to shoot you

The upside is that town know not to target you

I think the upside outweighs the downside

Can you explain this better. In a small player count like this how does it benifit town to give scum any extra information?

Because it's a big deal when town investigates someone and gets no result, it's a wasted investigation. Especially knowing that there's a cop in the game.

VOTE: kirroha

Saying wait while keeping your vote doesn't sound very genuine. If you had some second thoughts about the consequences of that vote wouldn't you have removed it or did you not really care just wanted to imply you do?

Good point, I guess I thought it was unlikely there would be actual consequences (and I still think that)

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Because generally people play different when their alignment changes. I guess more specifically my issue with you is that you were setup speccing and asking questions that weren't too alignment indicative.

Generally.
But you seem to think its true in this specific case.
In a game that was restarted with the same playerset.
and why is my set-up spec scummier than that of others in this game?

Because people tend to be more aggressive as town than as scum, especially early on. The only exception is players who are very confident as scum, but there's no reason to believe that about toto.

So playing the same means I'm still scum?
But playing differently means Toto is still town?

Basically my issue with you was that you didn't seem to be scumhunting very much until now, when you're nitpicking on this one point. Toto and screen seemed to be trying to find scum for example with toto's crystal push and screen's vote on me. I explained it poorly when I said the issue was that you're playing the same. (Though you did setup spec last game)

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I meant push/suspicion not vote

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I'll reread and get more into this game tomorrow hopefully

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I am not scum, pls no lynch

FoS: kirroha

I unvoted because she was doing more things like answering questions and posting VCs but this feels off to me

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Thinkbig is joking lol

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I'd rather tttt

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Thinkbig is joking lol

How do you know that? Where did this info come from?

Its obvious from his tone imo. "You're all playing right into my hands"

Also he wouldn't claim it if that was the case probably

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Screen's frustration here looks real. I think he is town.

I agree

I still think toto is town. I need to go back and see if FA's replace out looked town, but I don't remember anything super AI from that slot. n_m is unreadable as usual.

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Why?

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TTTT seems to be playing like his last game but he is against a mod lynch and I think that is a town position.

It'd be so easy to say that for towncred, especially given the low chance lynching the mod will actually end the day.

Infinity has played slower and less active than last time. Post are sloppy and inconsistent.

This is true, I'll try to step it up in the future.

For now we need more votes on tttt

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especially given the low chance lynching the mod will actually end the day.

what is this based on?

Common sense, also kain said he asked the mod and the mod said it was just a joke and did nothing

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I can't believe I'm being SR for opposing a course of action that has literally zero potential town benefit
and could easily result in a day1 no-lynch
wtf?

...by who?

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I'm scumreading you because you're not scumhunting

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I can't believe I'm being SR for opposing a course of action that has literally zero potential town benefit
and could easily result in a day1 no-lynch
wtf?

...by who?

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I'm scum-hunting by screaming about the terrible mod-wagon

...how is that scumhunting?

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I'm scum-hunting by screaming about the terrible mod-wagon

...how is that scumhunting?

not scumhunting
pushing a scum lynch

You haven't been pushing anyone's lynch until literally just now.

And I don't see any motivation for what you just did besides looking town for proposing a 1v1

Which luckily for you, probably won't happen.

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Why did you hammer if you are so against it and it is so bad for town?

And not only that, he's pretending like n_m's antitown behavior which he displayed in spades last game is so scummy to be worth a 1v1

1v1 him now I dare you

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It's kinda difficult to push a lynch if you don't mention anyone specifically...

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I'm death-tunneling whoever hammers the mod.

LOL

Better selfvote bro

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this is NM's scum game.
do something blatantly scummy and then get off on people saying you are 2scummy4scum

It's also n_m's towngame I'm pretty sure

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tttt: are you willing to 1v1 n_m even if this lynch doesn't end the day?

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Ok tttt might be town actually

But did n_m try to gamesolve last game?

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I'd thaay foawged aboud lathd game, you bawinging up "lathd game" and how ppl weawe theeemth thcummy do me

But in this case it's a good point

If town!n_m did nothing last game, then why is doing nothing scummy for him this game?

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cauthe he ith playing widh dhe thame gawoup

thwidch id up ith whad do do

Why would town!n_m change his playstyle on purpose?

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Maybe, but it's not that likely.

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Maybe, but it's not that likely.

That n_m would purposefully change his play as town

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Ok sure

VOTE: thinkbig

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I reread the thread in not a lot of depth.

Idk who scum is, FA's aggressiveness looked relatively town to me actually but she has a pretty good scumgame so yeah.

Toto and screen still look quite town to me. TTTT still probably town for the 1v1 suggestion because that's just too ballsy for scum.

That leaves n_m, kain, and thinkbig. Hopefully I'll be able to read think if we pressure him, the other 2 are unreadable and should be copped.

I believe it is possible there's only 1 scum? Anyway vote stays where it is for now

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I think this clears infinity as town

What? Why?

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I think this clears infinity as town

What? Why?

Dumbtell. If you were mafia, you would know how many mafiosos there were.

Why couldn't I fake not knowing? I basically said what was in the rules

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And you just scum told by calling scum mafioso!!

What?

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Mafioso is another word for scum member

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Ok but I'm telling you that was not a scumslip. You don't assume scumslip a when you don't have a special reason to believe they are, since they're pretty rare. And there is certainly no special reason to believe this is a scumslip because he worded his post completely normally. Mafioso is a term that means scum member, that's it.

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wait! russian!!

seven letters!

russian! gun play stuff

??

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What does "USSR gun play stuff" mean?

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It's a post restriction obv

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Read the thread and come back thinkbig

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bang bang game thdaawdth widh "AW"

Sorry don't know what you're trying to say here. Some sort of gun related game? Can you give a link? Why would that mean mafioso could be in the PMs? Most importantly, why couldn't thinkbig just be scum or town who happened to use the perfectly normal word to be describing a member of the scumteam?

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Roulette. Why does roulette imply mafioso in pms? Again, it's a perfectly normal word to use anyway.

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Should I claim before heading to class?

No.

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*cawy*

could be dhad!!!! bud could be thlip!!!

Occam's razor says not a slip.

UNVOTE: to wait for him to catch up.

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Ok

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*cawieth moawe*

Aww

I really feel bad for you dude

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I'm sorry

Thinkbig might be scum

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I'm saying if he can justify what you said as a town slip I can justify what he said as a scum slip.

Oh lol I get your point

It's a good point actually

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For taking an evening class?

...no

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How to become conf town in thinkbig's eyes

1. Roll scum in a game of, say, 15 players
2. Say "Hmm, I really wonder whether the mod would've put in 4 or 3 scum"
3. Optional: elaborate "I mean, it's kinda close to a mini normal size, so maybe he only added 3 and just reduced town's power, but then again, it is 2 more players, so maybe there's 4 scum and town's power is increased. I really don't know..."
4. Free townread

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Ok then I don't get it

I also find it very suspicious that you said that someone who was apparently just your townread was misrepping

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i dont know meaning of pawepeaw,, is it SHOOTING NOISES/?

It's prefer, you dummies.

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Because of that dummy screenplay I have a post restriction today.

VOTE: tttt

Why did you back off of voting n_m you dummy?

HURT: n_m

Let's do this, dummies

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I was waiting for everyone to post.

Why, you dummy?

Scum would usually want to avoid 1v1s at all cost, but I don't like how I had to push this dummy into keeping his word that he'd do the 1v1.

Why do all of you townread this, you dummies?

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TB is pretty scummy but could be trolling town, idk

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@TB Thoughts on the game please

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The dummy TB is pretty scummy but could be trolling town, idk. This game has a lot of dummies

@TB Thoughts on the game please you dummy. You're on of the biggest dummies.

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Ok...

I'll come back to you dummy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tb

I think this wagon may be able to get more dummies

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Yeah that's a scum replace out. The dummy even helped contribute to the shitposts himself, dummies

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wawadh!!

Lol

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If we don't lynch NM then our mod died in vain.

Hold on. You were the dummy that killed the mod. You really didn't have to.

dummies

wawadh!!

Lol, dummies

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Alisae can't win unless we lynch him today.

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That dummy alisae can't win unless we lynch him today, you dummies.

Please don't modkill me kirroha dummy

We're all dummies

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n_m is definitely a dummy, but I'm not so sure about him being scum. His play is perfectly NAI for him as far as I can tell. The dummy TB on the other hand is very likely scum.

I need to think about whether it's worth lynching alisae, that dummy.

You dummies toto and dreal should vote for a cop invest.

n_m, toto, and dreal should vote. They are dummies.

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You dummy, I have to call you a dummy because of my PR But that doesn't mean I don't think you're a dummy...

dummies

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I agree, if you guys don't vote that dummy you guys are dummies

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Since the dummy severa is ascetic, he just scumclaimed dummies

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The dummy FA is not a troll. You are dummy and scum.

lynch this, dummies

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No, you dummy. There's no reason for the dummy FA to fakeclaim ascetic. Lynch him, dummies

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I would rather you just cop me. Do you think that FA got a godfather type role and then claimed ascetic?

No you dummy, I think you didn't know about the ascetic claim and tried to buy yourself another turn (or you knew the cop and could kill them)

dummies

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I am a 1-shot rolecop and got a no result on that dummy last night, dummies

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It's funny because I forgot that dummy FA claimed ascetic so I thought I wasted my role but it actually turned out to be useful, lol. Dummies

PEdit: damn I forgot about that. I'm a dummy. dummies

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UNVOTE:

PEdit: why do you insist so much that the cop has to be on you?

Someone

has to be lynched you dummy

I believe your claim anyway, if other people don't they're dummies

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VOTE: alisae

I think it's best to lynch this dummy actually, since he will lose us the game in lylo if we don't, and he has no motivation to help us win after today.

Then we get another cop result, etc. Probably on n_m, that dummy.

Sound good dummies?

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Ok fine, I didn't claim my full role. I don't think it's best to at this point, you dummies

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We want to wait to get more info before we try to lynch scum imo

PEdit: I thought the reaction to being caught as not an ascetic was pretty genuine

dummies

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I feel really shitty about KT being death miller because I had a plan to get innos on both of us and win that by arguing that there's no reason that Godfather!FA would claim ascetic.

...how