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Yeah I'm not stopping at RVS, i just always comment on anything interesting there because it's the most useful part for me to get reads from until later on.
And no implosion's unvote on a wagon is a general scum tell. I just happened to think Morningtweet died and Implosion was replaced by CK, not the other way around.-
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I don't remember you being able to answer your own word.In post 960, Transcend wrote:Alright
Game is dead
Like as fuck
So let's play a little icebreaker to revive it. It's called word association. I'm gonna name one word, you post the first thing that comes to your mind.
Alright:
The word is bologna
Spoiler: My answer
But
Spoiler: Best Answer
Y'all think I just download this shit to my brain? Give me a day or so to catch up.-
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Sorry I normally do silent re-reads, since a lot of shit changes. Can someone give me a summary of Kain as a player? Is this fluff shit usual? I've heard rumors, but it's far worse than Dunn. It's also slightly relevant to what Stormcloud mentioned early on, in understanding if Kain needs help getting into scum games more than town games.
Also Transcend I've never seen you attempt that style of reads up until this game (the ones I quoted as bologna)-
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So just an instinct read: I think stormclouds is scum. This is odd because it's specifically during a time Transcend was blatantly townreading Stormclouds where I got this feeling (pages 8-10). The interaction with Syr didn't feel good. Stormclouds was proclaiming how she had so many townreads, and couldn't find scum. Started talking wtih Syr and professed Syr was her biggest scum read. Specifically 193
Which Transcend said was 'town gold', I felt quite the opposite. It was a hollow post, that's just AtE with nothing more to it. It's a complexity of weird saying/actions as Storm, who has stated the game is overall town, won't interact properly with Syr (in the sense that she's bringing a bias out into the discussion initially) WHILE SITTING A VOTE OF COMMKNIGHT. Her two scum reads are Transcend and Syr, not CommKnight.In post 193, Stormcloud wrote:Yeah. I'm honestly kinda sad that I'm scumreading you - I like you as a player and I don't want you to turn out to be scum lol.
But gotta separate emotion from reads as much as I can.
Basically, I'd expect a line of thought as such:
-To have a vote on CommKnight over professed scum reads, scum reads must not be strong. It's scummy regardless, but this is justification
-To not listen to someone as possible town, a scumread must be strong.
-Options are vote on Syr, have that bias or no vote, believe a strong possibility to be town.
And the oddity of a late "I'd vote transcend OR IMPLOSION for pressure" [[but am afraid of lolhammer]] is off. A.) That still leaves Syr and obvious vote and B.) that still leaves CommKnight not in her top 4.
So it kinda brings me to the suspicion I've got with transcend on what game he's reading because I don't remember him doing this wackass d1 associative scum read shit in any other game. In fact, I'd sooner expect him to look very town than random as town. These two would be my early read scum grouping.-
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No. As to why it's so slow, I'm currently working full time with college, so today is my first true day off.In post 1014, Stormcloud wrote:uhhhhhhhhhh
have you read the entire game yet AJ?
it's a normal, normals can't have scum masons
implosion has flipped and he confirmed I was the other mason yesterday
you said you were doing a silent reread, so I thought you were at least like halfway through at this point
But... why are you the second mason? Your suggestion to vote implosion makes no sense in that context (I thought about the possibility, but it seemed unlikely given the implosion soft hint)-
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Ok you must think I'm stupid to suggest I'm saying "lynch a mason". Neither alignment does that so I'd like to kindly ask you to fucking read. I was asking why Storm did something, not to lynch her.In post 1020, Parama wrote:for context:
AJ argued in favor of lynching the mason before he knew storm was mason
now that he knows Storm is mason, he is... still arguing in favor of lynching him.
because AJ is playing the game where scum have static reads and his entire previous argument was completely destroyed by this so he doesn't know what the hell to do.
there is zero reason to doubt storm is mason. implosion has flipped. nobody has cced mason, and if they did now, we'd string them up in a heartbeat.
so this really has no motivation to come from town.-
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I'm asking why you were verbally ready to vote implosion, who wasn't even a scum read, for pressure.In post 1027, Stormcloud wrote:AJ, why did you ask why I'm the second mason?
I clearly told you right in the post that you quoted in post 1017 that implosion confirmed me as the other mason. Even if you haven't caught up to that point, you know he's dead and flipped. Why would I ever lie about that when you'd just find out the truth as soon as you read?
I understand your confusion about my reads on implosion - I explained pretty clearly why I did that. But I don't understand why you're doubting that I am the other mason.-
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It's transcend. He's the primary wagon to a counterwagoned Syr, who flipped town. His reads are fucking awful, his style is conducive to helping no one (hypothetical scumteams here) and his unwillingness to claim with intent is fishy as hell. Also he calls Syr scum for 'awkward response to wagon' which is exactly what Transcend had. transcend just happened to post more so the awkwardness was spread out. He also manipulates the shit out of MorningTweetz while simultaneously vying for her vote to decide the day lynch. Granted that she survives and not implosion, even on page 27 is kinda telling why.
VOTE: Transcend
Literally just read the entirety of page 26. That's scum manipulating.-
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And so you put someone at L-1 for what you think is sheeping, and attribute that as a scum trait. You're fucking trivial.
I'm glad you can re-word my words to fit your own bullshit but that doesn't change you from misrepresenting willingly.
"Why can't Aj be a bad townie"
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I don't have a claim.
Regardless it's funny scum!transcend/CommK is lynching a slot that has almost no information on it with such conviction. You could read the entire ISO in a few seconds for my priors and both have a similar suspicion on Transcend. Nor does it change his manipulation attempt on a claimed mason. And the fact that TOWNIER CLAIMED MASON lives, and LESS TOWNIE ONE dies.-
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Ding ding ding reading wins the day.In post 1136, Alisae wrote: Unless you're telling me VT is your claim, becuase that's what I'm getting the feeling you're gonna claim.
Except I WASN'T IN THE GAME to set that up even if I'm scum. And legitimately neither was GoldenRobster/Gamma. It would be completely on a scumpartner, which this is a normal and daytalk is not announced. AKA unless scum runs encryptor (which is kinda archaic...) there's 0 chance I coordinated this WHICH MEANS my partner would be the one expected to do this.In post 1137, Stormcloud wrote:I mean if I was gonna dig for "reasons Transcend is scum" nightkill analysis would definitely be on there. But that's so WIFOMy, maybe scum did that to try and frame you. I'm not taking it as a good argument.
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In post 1145, Stormcloud wrote:AJ you seemed to be implying that Transcend is scum because he would leave me alive because I was townreading him and he thought I'd be easy to manipulate. Therefore me living and implosion dying means Transcend is more likely scum. It has nothing to do with your slot at all.
"Nor does it change his manipulation attempt on a claimed mason. And the fact that TOWNIER CLAIMED MASON lives, and LESS TOWNIE ONE dies."
This is the bit I'm referring to.
This comes from what I see 25-27.
In post 626, Transcend wrote:I'm an experienced mafia player and I'd love to help you
What is your definition of a town player and a mafia player? You answer those questions and I'll give mine. I don't think you're looking for the right things.
LIKE HELLO? Am I the only one who sees a fucking issue here with someone who JUST FINISHED being L-1?-
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Storm. There are 7 people alive. You are town. I am town. Five people are unknown, two of which are scum. To me, Kain in particular shouldn't be good enough to overtly hide being scum over a long period of time. Four people to look into in my opinion. Parama, CK, CKnight, Transcend. It's not really tunneling. There just aren't that many options and Transcend is fairly obvious.
And here's my issue with "he'd buddy regardless". What YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM led you to believe HE'S SCUM. He claims to be towntelling and then pressures you to believe that 'you'll be the reason town dies'. It's bullshit. You don't have to agree with your mason. You certainly don't try to blatantly influence one. He's essentially trying the same 'direct a powerrole' strategy that scum like to do. And to crown it, he's wrong about Syr when he goes to show how to hunt. And then continues.
If you're going to teach someone how to play, you do it in a newbie game or you specifically avoid anything relative to the game (aka Fluff). Coaching and similar is bad in every sense of the word because it's straight fucking manipulative. That's literally all there is to it.-
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Notty is NotScience's nickname. While most players have unique tendencies, playstyles are not unique at all. To cut down on meta work, I normally associate players with similar play I've seen in the past and model my expectations to that. I don't have any completed games with you so showing an example is a bit difficult, but looking through your game history I see you've played with Grey. To me, Grey reminds me of Desperado, so when I read him, I do use my prior experience with Desperado to read into Grey and figure out what I'd expect Desperado to do. That's what I did with Kain. I just went back to the earliest scum games I played against Notty and used them as a reference to how I'd expect Kain to play.-
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Okay no offense Transcend but in the limited time I've played with you, you made NUMEROUS scum tells here, from the faint manipulation attempts with Stormcloud that benefited you alone to the reads lists you've literally never done before (pairings on like page2). Your reads on this final day had a subtle behavioral scumtell as you always IMPLICITLY suggested you should be lynched second. You'd be calling bullshit all over that any other game instead of accepting it.
You realize I never actually fully read this game, right? I got to about page 35. Thought you were scum for sure on 25, had inklings on page 5. There's a REASON people scum read you, it wasn't random luck. I get that you're salty or whatever but you all massively fucked up this final day. It was ON YOU for not trusting your partner to carry you in LYLO when you had become a liability by your position on lynches and as a counterwagon to double town wagons. Stop feeding this bullshit that it was luck, town was dead on with their lynches here.
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