Micro 684 - Pixie Seven [Game Over]

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Dunn

Aye aye, cap'n

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My role choices were only loosely related so I doubt there's much to be gleaned from what wasn't picked

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VOTE: Desperado

I've been thinking this for a while but I hope echo isn't grudge voting me right now

VOTE: Desperado

Sounds good.

Literally tilting at windmills.

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Honestly not sure what to make of any of this.
Not sure why schadd_ isn't sharing his read yet.
Not sure why RC switched so quickly just now.
I like Dunn right now but I think that's largely gut.

Nothing's immediately popping out to me about Maria on rereading, schadd.
I'm guessing it's not meta based since you said you don't know any of the players that well.

marry me

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What didn't you like about them?

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@ Stormcloud I wasn't being flippant, I was actually being serious--the Don Quixote reference was meant in earnest. And I suppose I could have written two sentences on why I feel the same way you do, but I mean...there would be no point. You accurately described the gamestate and I was making it clear that I was interpreting it the same way.

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ya if you assume that I didn't already have an idea of what he was going to say

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uh generally if you think someone can change their play generally such that you don't scumread them, you shouldn't tell them how to do it

ya if you assume that I didn't already have an idea of what he was going to say

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It'd be more accurate to say that I had deduced what you might say.

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Desperado you're pretty unimpressive this game

It's almost like every game is a brand new experience with different players and context.

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lol

What about "voting me is literally tilting and windmills" wasn't clear?

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The two people with wagons are the same two not voting.

My first vote stabs so I don't plan on placing it until I have a scum read who is worthy of it

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@ Stormcloud, what about my posts has given the impression that pressure is going to have any effect?

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I've seen nothing there that says town to me. He's asked me a couple questions which were definitely fine questions but he hasn't really followed up on anything or expressed an opinion on anyone. Certainly could just be his personality/playstyle rather than his alignment, but I'm gonna listen to my gut here.

I suppose I could make up some opinions, would that make me look more town?

And "he hasn't really followed up on any of his questions!" is a bad scum tell, even when the person in question really hasn't followed up on stuff.

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I haven't seen threats or pressure really work on anyone yet
So either we've got a bunch of town and the scum haven't been pressured, or we have some good scum players who don't crack under a bit of pressure.
Or I'm just bad at picking up on it.

literally nothing has happened yet

maria and schadd have 50% of the total posts by themselves, most of them nonsense

it isn't surprising that no one is revealing their alignment yet

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Played with Desp scum before, he was active lurkish like this, don't think I've seen him as town though

you played with me scum three years ago?

lmfao

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If you have 0 options right now and the only way you think you can get some is to make some up.
Replace out or vote yourself.

Vote: Srcreenplay

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took fourteen pages to find someone worth stabbing

congratulations bud

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He isat L-2 right now. I think he admitted to stabbing you. You don't think that needs more pressure??

this is also the worst post in the game so far

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Storm me voting you was a mix of following rc and having voiced suspicion about you listening to me easily earlier

Desp, why exactly was srcrceemplay worth stabbing there?

telling me to selfvote (lol) or replace out because i dont have any strong opinions on a game that basically just started and that is 40% non-game related trash is the scummiest thing anyone has said by far

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Desp, can you do that every day? I'm guessing yes but I just want to be sure.

nah just the first one of the game

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@ srceenplay it's not omgus if you aren't voting me and haven't expressed suspicion of me

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You said you had no opinions. That is deferent from strong opinions.

there is no difference

a weak opinion isnt worth voicing

"such and such could be scum, i guess, but maybe not"

^worthless

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the absence of opinions shows my thought process as well

i haven't been cagey about anything, which is what you're suggesting

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If you have 0 options right now and the only way you think you can get some is to make some up.
Replace out or vote yourself.

i invite everyone to ISO srceenplay and try to find a single opinion on a player prior to this post

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238 - that is not an opinion

293 - nope. "i think i am ok with a schadd vote" without an accompanying vote sounds like an opinion to you? looks like testing the waters to me

298 - again, this is not an opinion. maybe she is appeasing, or maybe she doesn't care??? those two things are diametrically opposed

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VOTE: Dunnstral

about the role stuff I just kinda chose whichever one I thought fit my playstyle the best cause some of the abilities would never apply to me cause I don't do what's needed to activate said abilities

also would like someone to try to figure out which role pm he's talking about here

because ive spent fifteen minutes going over them and cant find one that correlates with what he said

which leads me to believe he was just making it up

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@ Stormcloud are you just not identifying the false dichotomies that he's setting up everywhere or what? "Maybe maria is appeasing me, or maybe she doesn't care about her town image anymore, either way I like her" is the opposite of giving an opinion. "Maria is either scum or doc (???)" is not an opinion. "I think I am ok with voting schadd" without actually voting schadd is not an opinion.

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Maybe I have a vote restriction and he shouldn't have RVS.

so you're a doublevoter whose first vote is permanent?

lol

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also noting that you can't even state that definitively

maybe maybe maybe maybe

its all scumspeak

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Desperado, we have a problem. You stabbed srcrcrceenplay and now want them lynched. Surely you had enough time to realize that these actions are kind of contradictory?

as far as i can tell stabbing is just another method for killing someone

so...no?

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dunnstral i have no idea how you've arrived at the conclusion that stabbing a scumread is a waste

especially given what happened in stack the deck

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i'm not arrogant enough to assume that i'm always going to get my preferred lynch

therefore stabbing srceenplay and trying to get him lynched arent contradictory

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or.....nah

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desp & srceen smell faintly like a team

scum cross bussing on d1 in a micro

are you high bro

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we arent even approaching each other with the same tenacity...388 is so fake it hurts

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i'm not arrogant enough to assume that i'm always going to get my preferred lynch

therefore stabbing srceenplay and trying to get him lynched arent contradictory

but we can lynch someone, and stab another guy

instead of trying to do both to the same guy, which results in less kills for us (stabs are kind of like votes)

yes, they are

my first vote was the only stab i get. i want srceenplay dead. the best way to ensure that happens is to stab him and then try to get him lynched--so either I succeed and then he's lynched and he's dead, or i don't succeed but he still has a stab and is 33% closer to being dead

get it?

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No. It was asking you for a firm position. Being on the fence is scumy. They do that to leave their options open.

lynch this fuckin guy

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the argument is obvious bro

i've already described several times where you were fencesitting

you haven't taken a firm position all game

stormcloud and i had a thing about it

so you saying that is scummy as ballfuck

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no, my first vote of the game stabs

zefriend's first vote of the day stabs

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Except, the way zefiend used his stab is pretty scummy

ya, not even alignment based, just literally "i don't like her"

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why should everyone know that you would vote me "when the time is right?"

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nothing is worth hammering me tbh

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i really want to know why zefriend said everyone should have known that he would vote me when the time is right when he hadn't mentioned me before

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there are indeed four people who have expressed a scumread on me

i'm certain srcreenplay is scum

maybe zefriend is his buddy, i dunno

storm and schadd are both town

either way, lynching me today would be...bad

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*thumbs up*

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I didn't soft a PR, I said lynching me would be bad. Primarily because it wouldn't offer any information.

And pidgeonholing other players based on what you think someone with their role would do isn't scumhunting, it's narrative building.

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If I'm getting wagoned as a VT I wouldnt say it doesn't offer any information. I'd be looking at the people wagoning me and their reasons/motivations. So far all you've done is tunneled one guy.

here you go again

zefriend is not scumhunting, he is role playing

btw i didn't say i wasn't a pr either, this is fakegod game. look at the discarded role pms. we all have abilities, and lynching me today would be bad because it would not offer anyone information.

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and the funny part is i AM doing what zefriend suggests

there are indeed four people who have expressed a scumread on me

i'm certain srcreenplay is scum

maybe zefriend is his buddy, i dunno

storm and schadd are both town

either way, lynching me today would be...bad

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@desperado
Can you explain your scum read on me again please?
from your iso it looks like you say i am fence setting by not giving opinions. that is because my opinions are not accompanied by a vote. is that accurate?

can you add any more?

throw some hypocrisy in there and a lack of drive to do much of anything game related

also trying to figure out why you predecessor would say he discarded one of roles because it wouldn't fit his playstyle, and now you're claiming that he took a role that requires his first vote to stick to activate an ability

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yes, hypocrisy is absolutely alignment indicative

i'm making assumptions because thats the only option you're leaving me. you have two votes, you've said your predecessor shouldnt have RVSed, and you haven't moved your vote despite having other scumreads

and we know there is a role that requires the player to keep their first vote to activate an ability

seems like a pretty safe assumption

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well, we know there was a role that was discarded

and we know that srceenplay's play suggests that he has it

so now we're here

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ya actually

that would make me feel a lot better

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ya you're right it's pretty noobish

scumrc could also see a lot of people townreading you and playing a lazy devil's advoate

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desp, not a fan. tasteful use of the " " and "are you high bro?" defenses. tunnel on src doesn't feel organic to me - no gut, much of it is "this opinion is scummy" that i think can be explained by differences in attitude. 370 is bollocks, obviously you want to try to be cagey about your role stuff - see also: we all haven't fullclaimed. it sounds to me like he's taking the staple reason he's tunneling src and repeating it. 550 is yucky. town should at least feel bad about being an uninformative lynch/play differently after realizing it, whereas he's just like "nah, don't lynch me, but i'm also not doing anything different." and also, as i pointed out, apparently he's sure that src is scum, which means we'd have a great place to start if we lynched him.

think "this opinion is scummy" is a gross oversimplification of my read on srcreenplay

and i don't feel bad at all about my lynch offering no information. it's just, like, a fact.

also not sure where you're going with the last bit, why would lynching me mean srcreenplay would be a good place to start?

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Dunn, why did you call out Screenplay when he misrepped me, but didn't call out Desperado for misrepping me?

I'm not saying your part of the above quote is wrong. Plenty of people found my stab on Maria scummy. But Desperado flat-out made up a story about me not liking Maria, which is an extreme stretch to make from anything I've said this game about Maria (and is also patently false).

um

let's check the tape

Maria is at least telling the truth about being a reflexive stabber. I stabbed her. My first vote of the day stabs. I thought it was a decent stab because she's very AtE and I can't handle that type of player. But her openness about her conditional makes me lean town on her.

you stabbed her in RVS because "she's very ate" and you can't handle it

which means you stabbed her because you don't like her playstyle

her playstyle is a representation of her as a person

it's really not a stretch at all to interpret that as you saying you don't like her

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Also I'll point out that Desperado never answered me on these two reads either.

haven't gotten a handle on either one, don't care to lynch them today

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srcreenplay, you, not mafia, zefriend

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@ storm there aren't enough scum to just push through a mislynch. I think it's safe to say at this point that the scum are working at cross purposes on...Purpose.

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@ schadd you can definitely lynch me at some point, just not today

or tomorrow, really

but never would be preferable

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unvote
Vote: not_mafia

I think this is the only viable lynch right now

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and you can't say your own lynch is uninformative, then push a lurker lynch

actually, i can.

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I'd still prefer Not Mafia or Desperado today. I prefer Desperado quite a bit given how much more he's posted and interacted - more info there.

my

lynch

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zero

information

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i'd be totally down with lynching RC

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if you're asking those questions you already know enough to figure out it

so do you want to flashwagon RC or not?

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that is not hypocritical

my lynch will objectively give less information than a lurker lynch

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i did respond to it

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so are we going to get a viable wagon going or are you two just gonna sit there and yap at me?

you've both been on me for several days and no one else is biting. if you want to secure a lynch we need to come to a consensus on someone else.

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schadd i have no idea what you're talking about

you and storm havent even come close to getting me lynched despite there being multiple times where enough people suspected me to get it done

and at what point have i been "flailing"?

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i've merely been stating facts

my lynch will offer no information and if you two want to avoid a no lynch we need to wagon someone else

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and somehow in a 9p game we have literally 0 common will-lynch reads

so i dunno bro

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fucking iso not_mafia and please explain to me why he isnt lynchable today

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especially from your point of view, we should be obvious potential partners:

Played with Desp scum before, he was active lurkish like this, don't think I've seen him as town though

schadd zefiend
Screenplay
Radiant, Dunn
Stomcloud
MariaR, Desperado

VOTE: Stormcloud

????????

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i am not convinced that yours is an uninformative lynch, and it looks like src or stormcloud is either, but you've just been repeating that it's a "fact," with no reasoning. this makes it seem like you don't actually have any reasoning for it, and you're just saying it because it might maybe make people not want to lynch you

or the third option......................

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schadd and storm are already on me and have been since 2/10

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that was kinda my point when i said that they've been on me for several days but no one else is biting and now it's too late

on top of the fact that lynching me offers no information

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three hours...

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dunn, srcreenplay isnt gonna happen today

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Are you guys sure we can't lynch not mafia?

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I don't want to vote Storm

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Hey storm if you want to live, vote not mafia

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Schadd your read on not mafia is bad. You've never seen scum successfully lurk and win? Besides the fact that I don't believe that, he doesn't have to lurk to the win yet, just d1

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And again FYPOV he has been pretty obvscum so I don't understand why you are townreading him for lurking lol

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But not mafia isn't scum BECAUSE he is lurking

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What little content he does have is scummy

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And there is no other consensus.

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Schadd you are missing the point, it's not whether I'm being truthful, it's what the game state is telling you individually. If you think I am scum then not mafia should be obvscum to you but you are refusing to vote him and I don't get it

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And there is no other consensus.

Dude, you're the only one voting him and there's 10 minutes left

Because others are voting wagons that also will not happen

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I'm not hammering stormcloud with RC and NM on the wagon and I'm not voting Maria because she is the only one who appears willing to compromise

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Why would you ever think I would vote maria???

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I haven't expressed an interest in voting her at any point

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But what? There's only two scum so if I townread storm and scumread the guy in lead position on his wagon then I'm not going to vote there

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hi, i'm schadd. i get a vig when no lynch occurs

haha sick

kind of makes everything we went back and forth on moot but hey w/e

storm is obvtown

dunn's partner is still not_mafia or srcreenplay

going with the one on the mislynch first

vote: not mafia

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in the meantime

Policy lynches: zefiend, srceenplay, schadd_, desperado

Can't believe people think nolynching is better than lynching someone who you think MIGHT be town

sounds like we have 4 townies here

eh i could see him putting his partner in there for sure

still want nm dead first

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unvote

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Scum definitely reaches L-1 this quickly

lmfao there's only one left

derp

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i no longer care about an lolhammer after that "defense"

vote: not mafia

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can anyone with more micro experience give me the likelihood of a non-2-person scumteam?

don't think dunn was powerful enough to justify a 1 man team

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i've played a lot of fakegod games and he loves to make non traditional setups but when he does he makes his scum gawds

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If it's one person the game would be over.
One scum plus one third party seems very town favored to me?
Two scum plus one third party is possible but unlikely.
Three scum also seems unlikely to me

not if there is a 3p or another scum team.......

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i mean i didn't think a 6v3 start was ever a consideration so if you're talking about non-2 man scum teams you're talking about single man scum teams or 1 scum 1 3p or something else weird

but dunn's role doesn't suggest that's likely

so it's probably just regular ole 7v2

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scum

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not particularly

should there be?

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k

?

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nah dont really care why

do you want to tell me anyway?

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ya probably

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mass claim is fine with me btw

although in all seriousness my ability should be totally obvious if you just read my posts

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why wouldn't you stab at night?

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johnny the jumpy rabbit

i'm a miller

i stab with my first vote of the game

and the first time i'm lynched the day ends in a no lynch instead

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Spoiler: these are all me banging you over the head with the fact that lynching me = no lynch

VOTE: Desperado

I've been thinking this for a while but I hope echo isn't grudge voting me right now

VOTE: Desperado

Sounds good.

Literally tilting at windmills.

@ Stormcloud I wasn't being flippant, I was actually being serious--the Don Quixote reference was meant in earnest. And I suppose I could have written two sentences on why I feel the same way you do, but I mean...there would be no point. You accurately described the gamestate and I was making it clear that I was interpreting it the same way.

nothing is worth hammering me tbh

I didn't soft a PR, I said lynching me would be bad. Primarily because it wouldn't offer any information.

And pidgeonholing other players based on what you think someone with their role would do isn't scumhunting, it's narrative building.

If I'm getting wagoned as a VT I wouldnt say it doesn't offer any information. I'd be looking at the people wagoning me and their reasons/motivations. So far all you've done is tunneled one guy.

here you go again

zefriend is not scumhunting, he is role playing

btw i didn't say i wasn't a pr either, this is fakegod game. look at the discarded role pms. we all have abilities, and lynching me today would be bad because it would not offer anyone information.

and you can't say your own lynch is uninformative, then push a lurker lynch

actually, i can.

I'd still prefer Not Mafia or Desperado today. I prefer Desperado quite a bit given how much more he's posted and interacted - more info there.

my

lynch

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offer

zero

information

that is not hypocritical

my lynch will objectively give less information than a lurker lynch

so are we going to get a viable wagon going or are you two just gonna sit there and yap at me?

you've both been on me for several days and no one else is biting. if you want to secure a lynch we need to come to a consensus on someone else.

i've merely been stating facts

my lynch will offer no information and if you two want to avoid a no lynch we need to wagon someone else

536 is particularly funny in retrospect

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Who says I didn't?

no i mean

you would only lose your vote if you didn't stab

and you said you didn't want to risk you losing your vote so you discarded it

so i'm asking why you wouldn't stab at night

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the discarded jared only stabs the person once

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and if you get blocked you still act so you would still have your vote

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but your reasons for not picking it don't make sense

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at this point i'd like to finish the mass claim and maybe lynch srcreenplay instead

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unvote

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they don't make sense in that they aren't consistent

your first reason was that you didn't want to risk losing your vote but the discarded role doesn't carry that risk, at all

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you haven't given a good reason why you wouldn't stab someone at night

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scum day, but thanks!

those lynch targets are from d1

any thoughts on...literally anything that's happened?

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I didn't get stabbed. I had no night actions.
If we lynch you we go to night and schadd can kill again?
Maria is still full of shit.
Would scum really take D1 into a no lynch if they were able to hammer?

do I even need to point out how scummy this suggestion is or are we all on the same page there?

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I see no reason to do that plan over just no lynching. We'd have to get people to vote for either Desp or for no lynch, so why not just no lynch?

we aren't no lynching

that's the scummy part

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and if we were, suggesting we waste my power is 100% scum motivated

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yes

same as the discarded johnny....

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last call on an srcreenplay lynch?

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vote: not_mafia

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i mean you should stop self voting regardless so

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maria just vote not mafia

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how

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Assume me and nm are town Zef just got himself stabbed so mafia just have to stab him and nightkill and we lose

fuciking moron

so you think scum have a regular nightkill and enough stabs to kill zef as well?

in a micro?

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even if they do, it's 6v1

lynch nm

town stabs maria

scum stabs zef

scum kills

it's still only LYLO

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but with dunn's death i dont think scum can stab and nightkill

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ps maria is town maybe we should like not stab her

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I would assume stab is part of the flavor of this game and nightkill is just a thing in itself

ya

and that thing died with dunn

so they probably don't have another one

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lmao get rekt

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Desp, any reason why you picked the lynch immunity Johnny over the stabby Johnny?

I'd assume most people would pick the stabby one, so I'm just curious.

iunno

it was just too stabby