Micro 692: Too Cute By Half

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RC, is there someone who can read you in this game?

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What's up

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Hi Ali!

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Lol if you flip scum you're not getting away this time

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Don't toe the line.

And also I think I know how to read you now regardless.

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/in

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Yeah I'm on the same page with creature tbh

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Alisae is basically conf scum to me cause he's voting me and he read my role pm

VOTE: ali

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And 48 looks fake.

Creature agreeing with me prob means he's the other townie.

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Ali, that's a bad play. You can't try to appease people who know you're scum.

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Also I thought you read all the role pms. Lol

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Like I believe that ali did that. So either town!ali is fucking around or he's scum.

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Lynching scum is optimal since we get a conftown in the lylo

Let's lynch ali

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Actually ali, be straight with me. I'm willing to give you another chance. Did you actually read the role pms?

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Ok yeah it's me and creature town

I can selfvote whenever I guess

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Creature, you have any second thoughts about ali+yume+keyen?

Actually it's better that I get lynched anyway since I get conftowned instead of mafia getting to choose.

VOTE: infinity

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I suppose it would be better fmpov if creature got lynched but I get to be less worried about him than he is about me since he called ali+yume first.

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Nah Inf I only read my own.

Too late lol

No, they look good for scum.

Hmm?

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Keyen, thoughts?

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Why am I self voting as scum here?

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Shoot: ali and yume

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Going to bed now, lol

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Creature, don't fuck with me. You wouldn't even know if you won

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VOTE: keyen

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VOTE: zzzx

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No votes count yet

Lazy mod

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VOTE: alisae

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Just because there's no night phases doesn't mean we have to rush through them. Perhaps a little slow to this roll and some evaluation of how day one played out would be in order.

Is this addressed at me or in general?

What is your analysis of how d1 played out? I didn't think there was much to comment on

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How is my vote "reckless"? If you think we need discussion, then make discussion. I think my vote will create more useful content than, for example, talking about the quickhammer would.

Again, do

you

have any thoughts about d1?

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Like, unless you think discussing why I didn't discuss stuff is the most important thing we should be discussing, you're being pretty hypocritical.

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Did that lead you to a read on anyone?

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Ok

I still find it weird that you pressed on me to talk when you didn't have much to offer of your own

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What I have to say is that I think alisae is scum and I want him to respond before I continue

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What was your read on yume?

VOTE: LUV

Forgot ali wasn't here lol

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Is not changing your read without any new evidence a bad thing?

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I don't get what hydras have to do with that.

I don't get why you're accusing me of tunneling when it's page 9 and your slot hasn't done anything particularly towny

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If you're saying I should've re-evaluated my read based on you being in the thread, I don't see why.

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I'm judging both slots

You're null

Alisae was scummy

So your slot is scummy

I don't see why it would be idiotic to vote me or drixx if you thought creature or yume was scummy

ESPECIALLY since we barely have anything else to go on

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Creature says being defensive is scummy for you LUV. What do you say to that

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ESPECIALLY since we barely have anything else to go on

Tbf me and drixx and you have all posted obviously but what I'm saying is that you shouldn't throw out your read on a slot just because a new person is posting there.

That

would be idiotic imo.

I find it interesting you were concerned about the vote but not the reasons behind it.

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You're null but your slot is scummy. I vote for scummy slots regardless of who's currently posting in them

Also, what do you think I'm doing with you now?

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I don't need to be concerned because I know it's all Creature feeding you stuff that isn't true.

Wrong. My read is mainly based on ali's posting looking fake.

So you're saying you aren't more defensive as scum?

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Also wrong. I wouldn't be asking you questions if I was in tunnel mode, I would just be calling everything you do scummy.

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Like this

CAAAAAAAAAAANDY MOUNTAIN!

Oh right, guess Alisae and Yume are scum together again.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

alsiae and Yume were scum

Day 2 go

Caught in a bad lie

VOTE: Yume

lmaaaaaaaao I actually like this tbh.

Oh nice, I got all boring players.

I AM NOT BORING!

Let's let fate decide

VOTE: No Lynch

staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawp

These ones looked fake

The second is something I don't see ali caring about too much as town

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Also wrong. I wouldn't be asking you questions if I was in tunnel mode, I would just be calling everything you do scummy.

Different degrees of tunneling. Also the context.

No. You can't accuse me of tunneling when I haven't even stated a read on your slot since the start of our interaction and when I am actively asking questions to try to sort you.

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By your definition, I would have to actively townread you/unvote you in order to not be tunneling.

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LUV, I meant hearing back from your slot. Sorry lol

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I'm trying to understand how finding a few NAI posts fake and realizing Alisae isn't going to be able to respond to you today makes you cast a vote for me after I pointed out something about Drixx. Maybe it's just me but I feel town would wait a bit more in order to get a decent read on me.

Because I always vote my top scumread, and I didn't find anyone else scummier.

Weren't you expecting RVS anyway?

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Even if those 2 posts were all I found scummy about your slot, my vote would still be on you. But I'm not sure it is, I think I'll sleep on it.

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Oh yeah, completed games with alisae...just one with him as scum but I've read at least 2 towngames of his

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Oh yeah, I've played with town!him before too. But both times I actually played with him he was in a hydra.

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LUV, I want to work with you but vague accusations of tunneling aren't really helping. It's good you explained, but until then I was confused and it didn't seem like you wanted to help me understand.

PEdit: no that was the drixx slot

And the quickhammer was pretty NAI anyway

And even if it WAS my slot, why would I need to analyze it?

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What I have to say is that I think alisae is scum and I want him to respond before I continue

What was your read on yume?

VOTE: LUV

Forgot ali wasn't here lol

What questions do you want him to respond to??
It looked like a blind vote to me.

I thought ali's reaction might be telling

I'm trying to understand how finding a few NAI posts fake and realizing Alisae isn't going to be able to respond to you today makes you cast a vote for me after I pointed out something about Drixx. Maybe it's just me but I feel town would wait a bit more in order to get a decent read on me.

Because I always vote my top scumread, and I didn't find anyone else scummier.

Weren't you expecting RVS anyway?

I was. Your vote doesn't really read or feel RVS like.

It's not, would you

prefer

RVS to a serious vote?

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Screen, I'm saying that I don't get why LUV is surprised about me voting based on something if he expected people to vote based on nothing.

Nancy, no. Lol

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Oh yeah, completed games with alisae...just one with him as scum but I've read at least 2 towngames of his

Oh yeah, I've played with town!him before too. But both times I actually played with him he was in a hydra.

Interesting. So do you think the posts of his you found fake is him trying to replicate his town game?

Yeah, they seem to be trying to overplay his whimsical-ness.

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What would have been natural for Alisea?

Don't know how to put time into words, but generally the same concept but less...overdone

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tone* into words

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My vote is still because of alisae really, I'm gonna rethink tomorrow. Not sure really what to make of LUV

PEdit: the motivation is to look like his town self, or to look like he's not being careful.

Yes screen it's gut

And nancy you have nowhere near enough meta to meta read me LOL

If you want to ask questions we can talk. If you want to do this shit, no.

LUV, I don't know where your getting how strong I projected the read to be. It's not that strong

LET ME POST

djdkrins

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@Infinity: Not when you come out voting for our slot without me having said anything.

When I see scummy posting early on, I vote it. It's objectively better than a random vote or no vote imo.

This is frustrating

PEdit: I'm pushing the gut vote right now...by seeing the reaction and asking questions.

And yes I think it's fair otherwise I wouldn't do it

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If I didn't know any better, I would think you had a guilty or a result that suggests one on our slot.

Even after I said I'll sleep on it and I don't know what to make of your posts?

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nancy are you usually this tunnely?

PEdit: idk but I knew it would be a lot more productive than no vote

It's not like I had this super big plan to solve the game based on a vote based off 2 posts. But it's better than nothing....obviously.

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No what would've been better would have been treating this day like an extended RVS and then compiling all of the data from yesterday and today to vote for someone Day 3.

Not how I operate. I judge slots not players.

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Screen is town I think.

I hope nancy is scum but nothing there.

LUV might be town

UNVOTE:
VOTE: drixx

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Infin your tone is just completely bad, your push is bullshit, your reasoning is fake and contrived as fuck, and anyone who has played with you will immediately recognize that you are not Town in this game.

I have full permission from RC to powerlynch the fuck out of you. You are getting lynched today and there is no way you are squirming yourself out of it.

Fuck off

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It's sad to have to ignore a slot, but I think that's what I have to do

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I thought yume posting a lot made her more likely to be town, but after the quickhammer and drixx it's a scumlean

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LOL

YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE HAMMER WAS NAI

HOLY FUCK

...you're right, I changed my mind

The fact that no one pushed them for it though is more relevant I think

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I honestly don't know why I said the quickhammer was NAI

It's not like a super scumtell, but it's more likely from scum

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Idk about Drixx, he's generally just bad / AtE-y and manipulative as shit even as Town.

Where was he AtE-y/manipuative?

I just thought telling me to discuss shit without bringing up anything himself was p scummy

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NM's quickhammer is just NAI because it's NM.

If it was n_m that quickhammered, you'd be right.

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I'm better than that as scum ;_;

LUV what do you think about nancy

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You can believe whatever makes you feel better

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Lol vote LUV,
Then buddy for for reads.

Getting reads from people is pretty useful for sorting them.

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I like the idea of embarrassing people for being wrong about a deathtunnel

Maybe there's less incentive to do it then

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I'm raging for IRL reasons tbh.

Well sorry about that. I hope we can talk stuff out...

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What that I did in TTH's game?

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Deathtunneling RC I did not do. Scumreading RC I did do. Losing the game for town I also did.

Don't see how any of that is relevant though.

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And even after he flipped town you ignored the fact that he'd actually picked the scumteam.

...in a pm to the mod. But yeah, congrats to him.

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Anyway. You don't get to talk but it's irrelevant because I wasn't even deathtunneled here.

It felt like it to me but w/e

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LOL yes you did.

pedit you ignored his reads and got endgamed bruh

This is wrong, but I'll talk about it with RC in post game.

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Hey ari!

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So what I find most interesting in my deathpush on you is that LUV seemed to display no paranoia towards my chainsawing and hard defending of his slot and Screenplay meanwhile just kinda went along with a fuck it vote. What does ye thinky?

Oh yeah this. I thought screen's reasons and overall play has looked genuine, his tone seems very hard to fake.

LUV I'm less sure though. Did you have a read on nancy, LUV?

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No, unfortunately.

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Hey, you gotta read the pre-game game where me and creature destroyed the scumteam!

(jk you're good)

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Why am I scum?

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I already know RC's thoughts. I want to know

your

thoughts.

Actually, I also want to know whether RC will want to lynch yume slot if I flip town.

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Ok but I want to know why you think me and drixx are scum.

And don't you dare wait for RC to explain in the PT.

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Yeah yeah. I can make my own decisions you know!

I think the quickhammer is obvscum in this setup because it's mountainous and the split personalities aspect removes a lot of accountability the next day.

You don't really read genuine and I dislike your Alisae push.

Why would town not be dumb enough to quickhammer here where they would be before?

Which posts of mine are scummy? What was wrong with the alisae push?

What do you think about drixx's play?

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Why would town not be dumb enough to quickhammer here where they would be before?

This is supposed to say "why wouldn't town be dumb enough to quickhammer when they might be in a different game?"

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I think you're kind of suspicious for talking about how people should make discussion and not making much of it yourself.

...which you're still doing.

And it's not even true that just 2 slots are talking. Every slot gave some sort of read except zzzx, keyen (you can post by the way keyen!), and you.

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Your entire ISO is pretty talking theory and talking about people who should discuss stuff.

You

are one of the slots we need input from.

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pretty much* talking theory

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We'll probably have to be lynched this game

I really hate how everyone is saying we're scummy but giving no concrete reasons

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None of those reasons are concrete.

Hoping she was scum is not thinking she was scum, "I got nothing" means a nullread.

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I feel like Infinity has been caught scum since his tone feels frustrated.

I'm frustrated town

jfc

LUV, I think I'm still at L-2. But at least give me time to sort people (especially ari)

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Giving vague reasons, never explaining them, and being ready to lynch based off of them is fucking frustrating and very anti-town

All I'm asking is for one person to talk about specifics about their read on me.

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Okay, let's talk then Infinity.

Who are your scumreads?

Right now, I'm leaning scum on drixx and you. Drixx because he's talking about how people should discuss more but he's not coming up with his own stances or really questioning much of anything. You because you're so different from when I played with you as town and because your reads are very lazy. Also I think you would be more willing to give me a second chance as town, because that's in your nature.

Now, I specifically asked you for specifics and then you conveniently pointed to a post made after I asked which wasn't even specific. Try again?

I don't wanna fight but you are asking for it ari.

Giving vague reasons, never explaining them, and being ready to lynch based off of them is fucking frustrating and very anti-town

All I'm asking is for one person to talk about specifics about their read on me.

I think you're scum because your push on Alisae is shit and feels fake af

Specifics

.

Which posts are fake? What about it is shit?

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Thanks for doing this screen.

Votes Who.
Asks others to come on board and vote.
After the lynch unvotes like he knew they would flip Town and wanted to try to distance himself from lynch.

Creature unvoted just in case it wasn't a quickhammer (I asked him)

Obviously he wouldn't get credit for "distancing himself" if the lynch went through with his vote.

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First to post in the day. Blind vote on Alisea like he is trying to lead the direction of the day.

I voted alisae because I thought he was scum. Why can't town do that?

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Didn't think there was nothing to comment on?? Come on. There was a lynch.

No. I didn't think the lynch was comment-worthy, since at the time I thought of the quickhammer as NAI and none of the other votes were really AI either.

Other than your read on creature, did the lynch influence any of

your

reads?

@Ari: Do you see anything I'm seeing about drixx or is your scumread all about the quickhammer.

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Earlier claims quick hammer is NAI. First vote goes no where, so changes his mind on quick hammer being NAI.

Yeah we get it I'm dumb

Although I didn't need the quickhammer to justify a vote on drixx if that's what I was trying to do.

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Then says quick hammer could be town?

No, I'm asking ari's view on it. I think the quickhammer is more likely scum, but I want to know why ari thinks it is more likely scum in this setup.

(Ari by the way, you still haven't responded to 366)

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Ari, I'm not even trying to convince you I'm town. I just want you to try to explain why you find my posts scummy. Which posts are fake and why? Which posts are bad and why?

You can fake being easily swayed as scum (especially after I tell you you're being too confident) but detailed content I'm not so sure. Just go through all of my posts that pinged you and explain why you think they're scummy as best you can. If you're town you should be able to do it.

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@Ari: Do you see anything I'm seeing about drixx or is your scumread all about the quickhammer.

And/or what are your thoughts about my scumread on drixx?

Why are you so different from hydra blitz?

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I had a gut feeling that the posts were scummy and were trying too hard to look off the cuff. That never changed.

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What would have been natural for Alisea?

Don't know how to put time into words, but generally the same concept but less...overdone

Are you calling it a gut read?

You were questioning why I found those posts scummy and that's when you suggested it was a gut read (which I confirmed)

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Ok I'm waiting on that.

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^ that but

UNVOTE:

I actually townread that wall. I want to hear more from you though. I feel like we

are

discussing useful stuff and you could comment on at least some of it with analysis, that's why I was suspicious of you. I also did engage you on it, I just didn't know what else to say. So what's up?

My vote on you was for pressure not for lynch. I want to hear your side.

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^
Is that a gut read as well?


I can understand Town frustration but not when the frustration is because of that slots actions.

Yes

Still think most town are careful enough not to quickhammer but anyway...

Drixx, I thought I was the defacto lynch, so you're not dead yet. Stop pretending you are.

I want to know who you think is scum and why

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Drixx, most people operate under the assumption that town wouldn't be dumb enough to quickhammer 1-2 days after d1

But it's true it's not

just

yumes fault.

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Cause he said he'd catch up and didn't?

But you said you'd catch up and didn't in 209...

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Town have a certain chance to quickhammer either alignment

Scum have a higher chance to quickhammer town

Scum have a much lower chance to quickhammer scum

So yeah it makes sense to scumread quickhammer a on town but not on scum.

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Why is RC slot town drixx?

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Ari, no. Answer my fucking questions.

We're "dragging this out" because I am getting scumhunting done. If you want to participate or at least pretend to, that's great. If you want to claim scum, great too.

LUV, where are you at now? Let's talk.

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And zzzx hasn't caught up yet. And drixx hasn't given input.

You guys...

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Ari, I'm not even trying to convince you I'm town. I just want you to try to explain why you find my posts scummy. Which posts are fake and why? Which posts are bad and why?

You can fake being easily swayed as scum (especially after I tell you you're being too confident) but detailed content I'm not so sure. Just go through all of my posts that pinged you and explain why you think they're scummy as best you can. If you're town you should be able to do it.

@Ari: Do you see anything I'm seeing about drixx or is your scumread all about the quickhammer.

And/or what are your thoughts about my scumread on drixx?

Why are you so different from hydra blitz?

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Town!ari can answer those questions, or at least make an attempt.

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I'm actually going to try to look town now, it's dumb that it's come to that but it is what it is.

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Ok LUV, what about my play makes you SURE I'm scum or makes you go "no way that comes from town" and I'll try to explain it.

Also, do you have any other scumreads you're ready to out yet? What do you think about ari?

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Also, do you think you're playing similar or different from your normal towngame.

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I'm trying to understand how finding a few NAI posts fake and realizing Alisae isn't going to be able to respond to you today makes you cast a vote for me after I pointed out something about Drixx. Maybe it's just me but I feel town would wait a bit more in order to get a decent read on me.

I thought about doing what I usually do and that is just ignore the vote but the setup requires a bit of teamwork.

Looking back, I don't like these posts very much, they seem AtE-y. The first post feels more "I'm disappointed in you" than "I think you're scum" although I might be wrong. The second one is weird cause I think town would be more likely to just try to work it out with me instead of saying they're going to. Almost feels like scum justifying being defensive.

Once you realized I wasn't waiting for ali's response and that I was trying to sort you in the moment, did that change anything for you LUV?

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Alisae push mainly. I also was leaning scum on Creature.

Let's go through the alisae push again.

1. I voted ali at daystart cause I thought he was scummy and to see a reaction (cause I forgot ali wouldn't be in the game)--did you have a problem with that?
2. I found a couple of ali's posts overdone--again, problem there?
3. I questioned you about your reaction/defensiveness--was this the issue?

same thing to ari.

Ari I get that you disagree the posts were fake but everyone finds different things fake.

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452 is better but lacks...something. The unique ari voice or something.

PEdit: I didn't unvote right away because it didn't change the scumread.

So what about each one of those things was bad?

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Like, I don't unvote to sort people unless I'm waiting for something specific to get a read on them, especially early on.

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As for my game, it has changed a lot from last year.

How about, say, friends and enemies?

I know you were a mason but still.

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I found your push on Alisae scum indicative solely because of your tone and the setup. You came out swinging like you had a guilty on our slot based off of posts you found to be fake. You found them to be fake because you felt he was trying to overplay how whimsical he can be. I don't believe town would have the tone you did based off your reasoning you gave, especially town that isn't extremely familiar with Alisae's play style. And I really don't see why scum would try to blatantly act erratic in order to get town read. Unpredictable and hard to read play doesn't get scum town read. I also think town is more likely to be patient and want to sort me as well others before keeping their vote on my slot there considering the setup.

I think I'm familiar enough with alisae's playstyle at this point. I'll admit I was feeling overconfident at the time. However, I still think the reasoning was sound enough knowing alisae. Scum tend to try to fake their town playstyle, but don't always get it exactly right. In a recently completed game where alisae was scum, he tried to overplay being lynchbait in order to get townreads, and I feel like this is analogous to that.

Again, I often keep votes on people I'm sorting when there's nowhere better to vote.

But this isn't really getting anywhere, so I'll keep looking back and your posts and see what I see.

I'd like to think I'm playing similar to how I played that game. Why that one in particular?

Cause it's the most recent completed towngame I've seen of yours, and you feel different.

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Note: I did townread you for something LUV but I forgot what it was and I'm starting to think you might actually be scum

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You're approaching the game vastly different than I am. I am treating the Days as separate days within the game. I went into Day expecting RVS for a bit.

See I don't know how you go from this to a scumread. Why would scum approach the game differently from town in this respect?

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Different how?

I can't explain it, I'll try as I go through your ISO.

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What would have been natural for Alisea?

Don't know how to put time into words, but generally the same concept but less...overdone

See this is the problem. The read you have on Alisae would suggest you know him fairly well and are able to tell what would be normal for him in various different situations. Here you are basically admitting you don't really have as strong of a read as you've been projecting you do.

Yeah I was just feeling too confident coming into this game, winning the pre-game game may have had something to do with it.

In our hydra pt I said I thought who was essentially scum claimed.

This is a good observation though.

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Information really. There isn't enough to go off of to make the most optimal decisions and an RVS like state only gives more.

How I see RVS is a necessary evil. If there's any amount of info we can go off, then I don't bother with RVS.

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Interesting, I'd like to talk to you about that in post game.

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Yeah I had a town read on Yume but Drixx is ruining the slot.

Why?

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Yeah that's it. I couldn't find why I townread you...

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ZZZX is a pretty strong candidate, for reasons I should think are obvious.

Cause he said he'd catch up and didn't?

But you said you'd catch up and didn't in 209...

I don't see how you can scum read my slot for not being on the lynch that happened in an amazing 2(was it) days

I said I will catchup and thus I will. Why are you in a hurry the game has been on for a few days and much earlier than i thought I'd need to read through with fucked up my schedual

I tend to believe scum won't vote together early game. So if you assume one scum was on the lynch you also need to look off the lynch for one scum.

Do you have a time frame for catching up, have you read anything?

I think it's one of them but I don't see scum one two punching. That would be to obvious.

So obvious it seems impossible? #Wine

Agree with this, "scum won't vote together" is a really weak argument to me.

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Town have a certain chance to quickhammer either alignment

Scum have a higher chance to quickhammer town

Scum have a much lower chance to quickhammer scum

So yeah it makes sense to scumread quickhammer a on town but not on scum.

@drixx

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Ok but that doesn't mean it's a shit argument lol

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I just want some analysis from your slot you know? You're not necessarily today's lynch. Reread or do whatever you need and give your thoughts.

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No one ever said you're confirmed scum. All reads in mafia are based off of probabilities to some extent. Now you're right that you have to consider context, but there's no particular context here that changes the situation.

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You could say the same thing about fluffposting

Or opportunistic voting

or literally any other generic scumtell. That doesn't mean they're all shit.

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You could even say the same thing about the argument you used to say that zzzx was likely scum ("at least one scum tends to be off the lynch")

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VCA helps you know who to sort because it tells you who is more likely to be scum. Otherwise, it would be useless...

Real time talking about theory isn't AI 0_0

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Like, if scum are more likely to quickhammer town than town are, then quickhammering is, as a general rule, scummy. That's the definition of the word scummy.

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Right, the probabilities are sometimes wrong but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use them...

I don't know about anything specific...I just want to know if you find anyone's play towny/scummy and why. I can't really read you otherwise.

PEdit: keyen you can't quote private communication.

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Wouldn't a quickhammer be sus after talking about how you wanted to not rush things?

I want you to stop defending yourself and start scumhunting.

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Doesn't matter if you have anything certain, I just want something.

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Drixx? ZZZX? Ari? Anyone have anything to say?

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Ok.

Do you at least see what I'm saying about you being different from your town game and having more potential?

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Sorry

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To zzzx

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Cause he already said he'd catch up over the weekend

You are so conf biased dude

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If I was voting, I'd probably be voting ari

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Ok, that's your opinion.

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Why do you townread drixx?

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Why do you townread drixx?

Gut.
Also he didn't do anything that makes me feel scum-Drixx. Also I didn't get why you didnt like drixx early on but I didn't feel any scum intentions from that pressure on him so I dont feel you are scum but I didnt feel teh town vibe from you either

My issue was mainly that he was criticizing people for not giving content but he wasn't providing much himself.

But I also got townvibes from his wall so idk.

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VOTE: ari

I like this best. We'll have a hard time lynching this slot tomorrow (especially if it's scum) since RC will be in it so I want to lynch it now.

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That's not what I said.

Like, at all.

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I also think you're most likely to be scum, that's what I implied with the first sentence. Given that I want to lynch you, it's best to lynch you today cause RC will be in the slot tomorrow.

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Ok cool, scumread is solidified

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VOTE: ari

I like this best. We'll have a hard time lynching this slot tomorrow (especially if it's scum) since RC will be in it so I want to lynch it now.

This is horrible. I to read this as you want this spot dead no matter. Why does it matter if RC is around? Do you not get along or something?

That, and he's impossible to get lynched as scum.

Given that I scumread ari, I'm going to want him lynched whether he's town or scum in reality, but obviously if I knew he was town I wouldn't want to lynch him

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I want him lynched even if he's town only because I DON'T KNOW HE'S TOWN

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Ari's role pm is not going to change my read on him because I can't see his role pm. However, if I could see his role pm, I would obviously only want him dead if he was scum.

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I don't know if anyone is town. I don't want them all dead to find out

Me neither, but I find some people more likely to be scum and I want those players dead.

Idk what to say about the grand idea game except I play differently from game to game.

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My thoughts are already in the thread. I think ari is scum, LUV is probably scum as well and maybe drixx. Town!ari does not have this much confidence and does not throw out this many generic accusations without going into specifics or feels. LUV is off from his towngame and played oddly defensively when I questioned him. Drixx's wall felt town to me but I still haven't seen any real original analysis from him.

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This wagon is super scum motivated and it should be apparent. If you guys think ari or LUV is really trying to figure out my alignment then I don't know what to tell you. Screenplay is at least putting in effort but literally everything I do he calls scum when most of it is towny or NAI. I have no idea what to do with that.

I'm not exactly why the townies other than screen that scumread me do so, because only screenplay really articulated it at all, but it seems like you're focusing on surface-level things like weird logic and tone and not trying to get into my head and see my motivations. I would not and could not play this way as scum, that's just a fact.

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LUV could be town but I don't see why town just stops sorting me or anyone else when it's clear there's more sorting to be done.

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The best way I can describe it is that when I've seen you as town before there was a continuous laid-back scumhunting throughout your ISO whereas now there's only scumhunting in a couple places and it's more proactive.

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You were proactive when you were questioning me. It's not a scumtell but it's unusual for town!you.

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Maybe I'm explaining it badly but yeah

Who's scum if I flip town?

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You're good

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My thoughts are already in the thread, yours and zzzx's are not though.

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If I have anything else crucial to say later on, I can communicate it through creature. But I'd prefer you give reads and zzzx catch up before we end the day.

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man I was obvtown but after all that bullshit from infinity and creature who scumread me every single game but have never beaten me as scum it's just fucking disgusting

When I misread you, it's my fault. But when you misread me, it's also my fault. I see.

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No other player makes personal issues out of in-game things like reads. I misread your slot a couple times. Get over it.

I'm happy not to play with you anymore.

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Just to be clear: yes I fucked up by misreading you. That's on me. But when you misread me, that should be on you.

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No, you lynched us because you thought we were scum. All Ari needed to do was post real content and I would've townread your slot, but it looked to me like he couldn't.

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But I did start to realize you were town eventually in the pt. Doesn't really count, but shows you that policy lynching someone because they scumread you is incredibly dumb.

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I totally get that you're pissed at people fear scumreading you, but for me it wasn't a fear scumread. If ari had played like that by himself I would've scumread him.

Anyway, gg guys, sorry I played bad. Liked the setup a lot though.

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Do you want quotes from PT? we lynched you for voting us because you couldn't be brought to endgame. I don't know what Aristo thought

Ok the that's dumb because again, all I needed was ari posting content to tr you.

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What do you mean

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As far as I know, misguided play is just bad