Micro 691: Just Mafia (Game Over)

[Maxous]

I forgot I signed up for this.

VOTE: schadd

[Maxous]

VOTE: tenshii

really?
for what?

[Maxous]

not particularly.

why is his vote bad exactly?

[Maxous]

VOTE: tenshii

really?
for what?

Are you comfortable with Tenshi's play so far? If so, why?

I don't have a particular issue with him, if I did I wouldn't of asked.

VOTE: AJ the Epic

Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.

[Maxous]

No.
Your post was putting the burden of proof on me to explain why he is *not* scummy.
Which is ridiculous.
Particularly considering your reasoning for scumreading him is just "he's not useful"
I'm not impressed with the passive-aggressive swipe either

[Maxous]

The REAL ridiculous issue here is you won't continue a discussion on a player at all!

i don't think Tenshii is particularly scummy.
I dunno how to elaborate on that.

you're voting him for "white noise" but that's probably more playstyle-indicative than alignment indicative.

what did you think of schadd's vote?
i didn't like it.

[Maxous]

Schadd should be prodded anyway
He's been posting in other places.

@mod

[Maxous]

nothing happened that i thought i could comment on effectively.

i'm gonna need metadive schadd's town games
i'll do it 2moro

[Maxous]

he strikes me as over-cautious and i want to check if he's normally like this

[Maxous]

his last post is better, yeah

[Maxous]

1) This vote is "worse" than other votes.
#1 isn't true, since all the votes are identical.

the votes were not identical.

I thought at the time schadd's vote looked opportunistic

In post #44, Maxous attacked AJ for a "loaded question", and then continues his attack in the post above. Nothing in this post calls AJ mafia. It just complains about his play being "ridiculous", and Maxous states he's "not impressed." There's no indication here that Maxous actually thinks AJ is mafia.Rather, Maxous seems to be attacking his play.

you're nitpicking how i speak

[Maxous]

I see the questions, I'm just a bit busy at the moment.
Hiraki, hapahauli and Schadd are my current town feels.
I still think AJ is the best vote, I think his response to Hiraki was poor

[Maxous]

I've read that 3 times and I still don't understand your issue

[Maxous]

Sorry still won't get a laptop until this evening.
I know I have a backlog of quotes to get through.
Vote is still staying on AJ. Nothing in his responses are convincing me to change it.
Uzi is very possible scum too. He's being very non-committal and lurky.

[Maxous]

It's not your bad.
AJ quietly dropped the read without saying anything and is not painting you as a *liar* for a very easy misunderstanding.

[Maxous]

Nobody here is a mind reader

[Maxous]

1) This vote is "worse" than other votes.
#1 isn't true, since all the votes are identical.

the votes were not identical.

I thought at the time schadd's vote looked opportunistic

Can you walk me through why you thought it was opportunistic?

because Tenshii's vote was a little awkward in a non-scummy way and was the kind of post i would

expect

scum to of jumped on.
which is why i checked his reasoning. Wasn't impressed by the reasoning even though Schadd's later posts have been more town.

Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.

Why is it loaded?

Maxous answer plz.

this was covered in #47
he was asking me - on page 2 - to explain why i'm NOT scumreading a player..when there wasn't a particular reason why i should be.
the question felt like a trap and considering his later post here, i feel that was justified.
i "killed discussion" because i didn't know what sort of specific answer he was looking for
In post #56 i DO give him the answer he apparently wanted but he's still voting me for "killing discussion" because my first response was confused by his misleading question.

[Maxous]

If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.

says the person voting me

Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?

Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?

Actually screw it.
The more I think about it, the worse this post is.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
Uzi just wants somebody else to end the day do he can stay off wagons and avoid giving any stance.

[Maxous]

I've been aggressive since page 2 when max decided to be as roundabout as he could answering questions.

Yeeeah no.
Ask roundabout questions, get roundabout answers

[Maxous]

I don't think Lil Uzi deserves pressure but definitely should be voting at this point.

Meh. I do.
I think his reads are shallow

[Maxous]

Max and Aj need to stop 1v1. Thanks..

i'm voting Uzi for shallow reads, reluctance to commit and now ignoring his wagon.
talk ti AJ about it

[Maxous]

he said that AJ is town for being aggressive and voting a player that wasn't the largest wagon
incredibly easy things for scum to fake

[Maxous]

Toto is so ridiculous he's probably town.

[Maxous]

TR LuV, Sobolev Space put a vote on him for no reason and Maxous was some weakass reason about him not wanting to prolong day 1
Bad vibes from Hiraki, he seems nervous and defensive imo, Tenshii could also be scum

TR horrordude, and Toto

VOTE: Maxous

There are enough reasons why Uzi is the best lynch and he's actively trying to ignore and lurk the wagon out.
Nope

[Maxous]

Not interested in Hiraki wagon.

[Maxous]

#227
The guy lurks then gives out about low activity and threatens to replace out.
Again, likely town but just silly

[Maxous]

This site

I guess I'll claim. I'm a town protective PR.

Spoiler:

you don't lurk the game and give no effort to defend yourself

as a doctor

if you're a town protective you will put more effort into getting the wagon off of you so you

don't have to claim

i don't believe this at all

[Maxous]

Do you guys know how many times LUV actively flakes from games?

oh wait.

he does?
huh.

[Maxous]

#227
The guy lurks then gives out about low activity and threatens to replace out.
Again, likely town but just silly

Max, you do realize that one could argue that your read on Toto is just as shallow as you think my read on AJ is?

no?
argue it then

[Maxous]

like, if i'm to trust Hiraki's read on LUV, that he's just a player that regularly pulls shit like this...i'm not gonna be delighted, sorry

[Maxous]

oh shit.

i didn't realise the deadline was today

sorry, hold on

[Maxous]

town!doctor & town!watcher in a 9p would be ridiculously broken.

town!doctor & town!tracker still sounds sketch. less broken but still powerful in 9p

town!watcher & town!tracker...maybe?

[Maxous]

its hard to see Tenshii!scum counter-claiming horror!town.

[Maxous]

yeah..i still think LUV is lying here.

[Maxous]

unless Tenshii is scum WITH Horrordude..then Tenshii is town.

i cannot see watcher + protective in 9 players.

[Maxous]

Uzi has to be scum i think.

because even if scum have a role to counter that stuff like a ninja or a roleblocker..sure if the scum PR got lynched Day 1 then it's literally game over because the protective and the watcher would just endlessly cover each-other

[Maxous]

But I'm still not sure I like to see a Watcher/Tracker combo in same game. It's probably even more powerful than an odd/even cop pair.

it's entirely possible 2 claims are lying.

but i'm sticking to my "why the fuck would scum!tenshii counter-claim town!horror" read

[Maxous]

alright it's midnight GMT here and i got work in the morning.

i'll set an alarm to check in just before deadline, in case my vote is needed.

I think Uzi is the best lynch personally

[Maxous]

The one-shot strongman backs up Uzi's claim anyway.

VOTE: Darklyn

I guess. I don't think it's Toto.

[Maxous]

I'm lost here. Are you saying Max is scum?

He's saying either

a) I was protected from the scum-kill or
b) I was roleblocked from making the scum-kill.
Well or c) scum no-killed.

[Maxous]

unvote

Honestly, assuming I was targeted that would probably point to AJ or Hiraki.

[Maxous]

I don't think one of the newer players would of targeted me.

[Maxous]

Unfortunately, I couldn't really bus..particularly after the claims.
Ah well