Micro 693: The Simpsons Mafia II (Game Over)

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Alisae Votes follow me

/first

[Vaxkiller]

Wrong game Elder Price!

[Vaxkiller]

1st page lynch is how we do this.

[Vaxkiller]

Hiraki dies next for not voting Alisae.

[Vaxkiller]

I'll bite. Why?

Follow me to an easy win.

lmaaaaaaaao

Well at least someone wants to play.

Looks like you messed up your post restriction.

[Vaxkiller]

Rofl Best vig ever? Or Worst?

[Vaxkiller]

Before I was messing around, but I think Alisea is actually scum now, and we should lynch her.

This is a NIGHTLESS game, meaning only scum are going to have "vigs" to make up for not having a night kill. They obviously messed up and showed thier hand, because it looks like actions are supposed to be submitted to the mod and they resolve when we lynch someone (or vote no lynch). Then we start over, probably without me because alisea is going to OMGUS shoot me.

[Vaxkiller]

Well how does everyone elses ability work? Resolves at the end of the day?

I dont think they thought it through, scum is going to have all the vigs int the game because its night less.

[Vaxkiller]

2+2 = 4

Think about it. If it still doesnt make sense, try to think about it until it does.

I'd like to hear from Aliseas for their thoughts.

If part of the equation changes ill let you know.

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The fact he's trying to push as scum having the day kill rather than there being a day kill in general. Sometimes GL, it's the small slips that matter.

That's not it at all.

I'm saying Alisea THOUGHT they had a day vig, but really its just a vig that resolves itself in twilight after a lynch or no lynch, which is what the scum would have in a night less game.

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I can't make an sense of this. I was at L1, and scum could have easily hammered me with little worry. Alisea was close enough to a lynch where scum could have swung vote thier way as well.

Scum knows who is town and who is not. So WHY would they use an ability to end the day to frame me when im at L1. L1! And the other wagon was town too! Why would town activate the ability? Why would they waste an ability like that?

[Vaxkiller]

This goes back to saying that scum have the Day Vig, because he's scum and he knew that there was a day vig.

I never said "day vig" can you point this out to me?

And people saying that scum made the kill during twilight are just trying to cause reason to avoid focusing on Vax.

Why?

[Vaxkiller]

Are you really trying to play dumb here?

Quote it.

[Vaxkiller]

Normally when someone is being framed I would think scum would jsut sit back int he wings and let town write its own narrative concerning everything.

However, considering how stupid the timing was on everything I would expect the scum to actively push my lynch through. Why? It's super safe, because it looks so bad for me! All signs of how things went down point to me for making any sense.

That said I think 1 shots push actually looks towny.

[Vaxkiller]

Are you really trying to play dumb here?

Quote it.

You are talking about a shot that happened in day 1. Just because you didn't say that exact wording don't try and play dumb. End of the case you was trying to say that Alisae had a day kill and didnt know how to use it and when you got voted up Alisae dies.
Great defence though.

I was accusing her of being scum because of the way she was using the vig and the info taht was given by the mod int eh later post. It makes sense that instead of having "night kills" as there is no night, that the scum are going to have vigs that resolve in twilight. I assumed Alisea miss-interpreted this which was explained in a mod post. I still dont know how you get day vigs out of this.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm tired of you playing stupid. Something ended the day early which seems to be a day-vig.

SO you think I day vig'd Alisea? Why would I do that?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Vax
Today might be the final lynch town can dictate without me, keep that in mind.

I dont understand this,, is it worded wrong or something?

[Vaxkiller]

Interested to hear ASP's thoughts on 1 shot, I mean we have a whole 6 pages... not that much to go on, not that much time is needed.

[Vaxkiller]

Well shit.

[Vaxkiller]

I could totally vote commknight. At least until my next scum read come along (i see them approaching)

VOTE: commknight

[Vaxkiller]

Commknight wants claims bad:

Also we should probably push for a role claim at the very least here. Letting him off scot-free is dangerous move as town.

This one is in reference to me.

Honestly, if 1SVT isn't going to read the game, then he can be useful and claim.

Today doesn't end without your claim 1SVT.

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He's a survivor. If there are 3 scum and they come out full blow, he's going to go with them.

If you are cop and he is survivor, then there are 2 mafia max. 3 scum + survivor (with D1 ending in no lynch due to an ability out of our control) would be TOO OP.

Who said I'm a cop?

You claim he's survivor. Which one would only know if an investigative role.

Anyway, off to bed. Might even be multi factions for all I know.

This looked a little fishy before, but with all the "claim" stuff its looks worse.

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They could be, its just not the first place I would look.

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Yeah he is.

On another note, feel like the only people playing are 1 shot, hiroki, comm and myself.

[Vaxkiller]

my post was in response to 159

[Vaxkiller]

I have NEVER said to myself "Wow that guy is confident, he must be town" I mean are you not confident as scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Did you not see how 1SVT 180'd completely on you? That is suspicious under any lens of it.

Give me your thoughts here

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Not everything revolves around you dude.

Let me put it a different way. You think only one of us is scum? Why would scum!1shot unvote town!vax and push elsewhere when there was little resistance to my wagon?

[Vaxkiller]

Frankly, the fact that you haven't questioned him and somehow think that he claimed Survivor as a 1-Shot BP is a little more daunting.

I wrote this off as "its bastard", but even so, 1 shot BP survivor does sound suspicious.

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At least edo has an excuse, the rest of these ppl tho...

[Vaxkiller]

Hiraki, he didn't even say ASP was acting alignment indicative.

Shade.

[Vaxkiller]

Anyway, I'm wondering what happened to this one.

=

fit

[Vaxkiller]

Also he should be mad, im mad, I want more participation from everyone

[Vaxkiller]

Why would you say this if it hasn't happened yet?

What hasnt happened?

[Vaxkiller]

also it's weird that you're sticking up for the person that you're voting

ROFL, they were asking for ppl to post more and I agreed. That's sticking up for them?

[Vaxkiller]

Edu is on vaca, and ASP was the only person not posting. (I mean char could steup up his game too, but still)

[Vaxkiller]

Why would you say this if it hasn't happened yet?

What hasnt happened?

you being lynched, or even any sort of wagon on you

also it's weird that you're sticking up for the person that you're voting

ROFL, they were asking for ppl to post more and I agreed. That's sticking up for them?

ROFL? What's so funny? Serious question.

And no, you're sticking up for him against Hiraki asking/noting Comm complaining about ASP's inactivity

TIL I can talk after I'm lynched and agreeing with a point someone made that I'm voting makes me scum.

These comments by you are ridiculous and atrocious, I really dont even know what to think.

[Vaxkiller]

Do you think that Comm/Vax could be scum together?

Hey 1 shot, do you think guilty and hiroki can be scum together?

/end sarcasm

[Vaxkiller]

Hey guilty lion! Hirkoi is agreeing with someone hes voting! Whatcha going to do?

[Vaxkiller]

TIL I can talk after I'm lynched and agreeing with a point someone made that I'm voting makes me scum.

snarky misreps, boy you sure look town!

My point is you weren't being pushed through to lynch, you had two votes. But you come in with "Normally scum would sit back and let town lynch me, but that's probably not going to happen here because I was framed. But I think one of the two people voting me looks town!"

like I just cannot believe that you genuinely thought that way

and 2), you

stuck up for him and threw shade at Hiraki

. That's far more than "agreeing".

This post annoys the crap outta me on so many levels. Snarky "misresps"? I'm using YOUR words. As I see it, you can't explain your point properly. It's that or you are seeing things and making connections, where there is nothing to go on. My snarky comments are my annoyance of someoen saying something ridiculous. Notice how im not snarky with anyone else?

Post 108 Is me saying what I think should have happened, then saying what I think will happen. At what point in that post did I say "It's HAPPENING"

You cant belive that I thought one of the 2 people voting me were town? Why? If people vote for you, are they all going to be scum? Can you believe I'm trying to sort you 2 out.

ANd the fucking creme de la creme.

and 2), you stuck up for him and threw shade at Hiraki. That's far more than "agreeing".

I'm going to need you to write a fucking thesis on this, becase I'm not understand how you made this leap. Please, explain in great detail how I threw shade on Hiroki.


You have these ABSOLUTE rules that make no sense:
-Can't agree with someone you think is scummy.
-If people are voting you, they are all scum.

Hirkoi read? Leeme try.
His iso isnt taht bad. He votes and unvotes as new information comes in, seems to be trying to figure things out.
Post 187 was awful, but thats one post, well, that and the one where he says hes parking his vote on me.
There might be an association with guilty and hiroki, but associatives are so bad before any flip.

[Vaxkiller]

Hey guilty lion! Hirkoi is agreeing with someone hes voting! Whatcha going to do?

Hey Vaxkiller! Are you going to try to sort people or are you just trying to keep sarcastically attacking a strawman solely to discredit my vote on you?

also what is your read on Hiraki? p sure you never answered that. And also, what was so funny about my earlier posts?

Serioulsy, waht do you think of that action. This is my serious face:

[Vaxkiller]

Serioulsy, waht do you think of that action. This is my serious face:

Is an over-reaction?

No this is an over reaction. What the fuck planet are we all on?

[Vaxkiller]

I'd agree with you, if I wouldn't get scum-read for it.

Yeah, this is really disappointing. 9 pages? ASP,you need to do something more than post every 2 days. Edu, I know your VC/LA, but can you give us a few thoughts? There is not much to read. Earth to char too.

[Vaxkiller]

At this point I wouldn't turn away from a lurker lynch. I hate policy lynches, but ASP has given us nothing, and if edu comes back after vaca with a few one liners, he can go too.

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So, 1 shots 180 on me is scummy? So do you think he is buddying me, or protecting me?

I really think 1 shot is town here.

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I really wasnt thrilled about hirokis posts until 261. It was clear, well thought out, and I think he leans town now.

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Comm. I was ready to unvote you earlier, because your claim seems legit, but then you go into this 1v1 garbage "its me or him"

I would rather not vote you, but im not lynching 1 shot.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE:

I'm not feeling really that strongly about comm anymore.

Gun to my head who do I shoot? edu I guess, but tahts really just because I'm trying to sort other people out.

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No, you didn't answer my questions. You are also at L-1.

I unvoted because I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But now theres even more doubt.

I dont think we are at L-1 tho.

Anyway, Ill "intent" to hammer just in case it is.

mod sniped.

VOTE: comm

[Vaxkiller]

I think char hammered comm and tried to make it look like he didnt! lol!

[Vaxkiller]

Oh wait he UNVOTED ahh jesus nm

[Vaxkiller]

Were just going to no lynch today arent we?

[Vaxkiller]

@guilty
Up until today I was your only scum read you were pushing hard, and you left my wagon. What did I do since Sat that made you re-think this?

Also, 1 shot vote? Can you please explain how you cant wait 1 more lynch for them to prove themselves?

Your town reads are comm and ASP (with a lean for Hiroki?) Would you mind explaining your comm and ASP town reads?

To me this almost looks like scum getting scared that thier lynch pool is shrinking.


@Hiroki, why are you town reading guilty lion again?

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE: comm

VOTE: Guilty

[Vaxkiller]

1 shot, there is a good chance you may die "overnight" (not sure how to phrase this is a nighltless game).

Can you post a reads list?

[Vaxkiller]

@char, y not guilty? Are you town reading him?

[Vaxkiller]

@char, y not guilty? Are you town reading him?

Let me rephrase this. Char, why can't "not guilty" be scum. Are you town reading him.

[Vaxkiller]

@char, y not guilty? Are you town reading him?

Let me rephrase this. Char, why can't "not guilty" be scum. Are you town reading him.

One of these days I will get it right:

Let me rephrase this AGAIN. Char, why can't "guilty lion" be scum. Are you town reading him

[Vaxkiller]

You know waht? I have no idea what im doing. I iso'd char becase I thought I was talking to hima and wanted to find out if he ever mentions guilty lion, then I find out he wasnt tehperson im trying to ask the question to, its comm.

@comm, it seems like your town-reading guilty lion. Why?

[Vaxkiller]

So I'm rethinking things
UNVOTE:

TLDR - I am Innocent child that activates day 3.
I was at no risk of being lynched so it's pointless to claim as scum.
Comm is to be lynched today.

I think this is a fakeclaim. My role suggests the presence of a

Cult

in this game. That's why I initially townread Vax at the beginning of the game when he was talking about vigs, because of his assumption early in D1 that scum have night kills.

The Alisae kill happened immediately after that, which kinda threw my game spec for a loop, but I absolutely do not believe that a Cult and an Innocent Child can both exist in this game. What would happen if 1SVT was revealed as IC and then was recruited after that? Would his IC status become retracted? Would he remain a cult-ized IC? I don't think such a scenario resolves cleanly or logically in a game like this, therefore I think this is simply a fakeclaim so that 1SVT can push his desired lynch and remain unlynchable today. I'd like to hear what others think about this, and I'll post more reads in a minute.

Totally missed this.

Suggests or confirms? I mean your seriously suggesting he would fake claim something that lets him live ONE MORE DAY, this reeks of you trying to get rid of someone you know will be a confirmed townie tomorrow under flimsy reasoning. This is a BASTARD game, there are going to be weird mechanics.

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Vax - do you believe an Innocent Child makes sense in a game with a cult?

It definitely makes for some tough mod decisions, but we will KNOW tomorrow weather or not he is lying. meanwhile, if he flips town, you can just say "Well my role suggested it, but its bastard, lol"

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Not against a char lynch, but I would prefer guilty lion.

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Yeah, I fucked taht up royally, but char or anyone can feel free to answer as well.

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Yes, yes it will.

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lol, tahts fine, but I want a guilty lynch, If it comes down the the wire i will move over, but to me Guilty looks like the guilty party

CHar and Edu are more of POE at the moment, adn I would rather vote who I think is scum and not vote someone who isnt acting townie at the moment.

[Vaxkiller]

char is more of a cop out vote instead of actually voting scum.

[Vaxkiller]

Well, it's not only that he isn't acting townie. He's against town and doesn't care to actually scum hunt. We also KNOW he's not town either way and will vote with scum if they equal us.

No, and yes. Hes not against town, but he will just sheep whatever votes are going to win him the game at the moment.

[Vaxkiller]

Well u got me there, not sure y he did that

[Vaxkiller]

Wait he's gl now, not comm, lemme relook here what ur talking about I'm on phone

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Commknight
I just remembered that i shouldn't care that much on who gets killed.

Is this what ur mad about?

[Vaxkiller]

Who else should he vote for? Himself?

[Vaxkiller]

ok
VOTE: char

[Vaxkiller]

lol at 1 shot, did you forget that D3 was the next day?
VOTE: 1 shot

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not sure waht to think now

[Vaxkiller]

My gut reaction was oh shit, lets get comm, but know im rethinking thiis, he could have a buddy and is lying to us

[Vaxkiller]

How do you know comm killed alisea?

[Vaxkiller]

Hiroki, is there a cult in this game?

[Vaxkiller]

I'm worried the cult doesn't flip, hence the reason for a coroner. THat said The cult leader was probably only 1 shot, but that puts town in a weird spot where there COULD be 2 cult members still alive. If taht is the case we need to kill one of the culted today, unless one of them has died already, but we have no way to prove that.

The 1 person scum team(s?) make sense so there is not weirdness with scum becoming cult members.

I am Apu Nahasapeemapetilon - 1 shot PGO

[Vaxkiller]

Comm, if you think Hirkois lying and is scum, tahts great, he can die tomorrow, but we REALLY need to kill the cult today.

[Vaxkiller]

Same goes for you hiroki, if you think comm is scum

[Vaxkiller]

Are you scum reading edu?

[Vaxkiller]

Let me read a little. Hiroki does seem like an excellent target for a cult member.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm speaking purely of likely targets, if I were the cult, I would want to target everyone's biggest town read.

Had another thought, the cult leader will likely flip correctly, but the "disciple" will likely not.

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Had another thought, the cult leader will likely flip correctly, but the "disciple" will likely not.

I read this a couple times before figuring out what this might mean - you mean that Ali's role was to figure out what people were before being culted, no?

So Hiraki being recruited is VERY high.

Yes, yes - we get it. You want to lynch me that badly.

No im saying when when the cult leader brings someone into a cult, dont they still have thier same role and everything? I'm assuming it just changes their alignment, and usually flips just show their original PM role/alignment, not that they were culted later on, hence the coroner role.

That cult mention by comm early on is pretty damning. I can understand jester talk, but cult talk does seem out of the blue. It would be like someone mentioning werevolves or aliens before any flips.

I'm sold on a comm lynch

VOTE: comm

[Vaxkiller]

Now we have to wait until edo and ASP show up.

[Vaxkiller]

@Vax, real talk, are you recruited? You keep sheeping everyone who ever votes me.

1.) Mentioning cults is NAI at best. I've had previous experience with them in games and it's much more common than a lot of other 3rd parties. Which when we talk about the possibility of 2 opposing factions. Cult is one of the first that comes to mind.

2.) Where is Hiraki getting this 2-shot thing from me out of? He is the ONLY one who has claimed to have a 2-shot ability which I believe is 100% bullshit and poor attempt at a fake claim. Also his role basically adds onto the increasing town roles that make mafia useless.

3.) Remember, there was a SHOT D1 which is still unaccounted for from current claims and flips. Unless you are suggesting I both recruited and shot someone D1? That's a bit far fetched.

4.) ASP is not cult and thus knows I am not cult. The only one who'd vote me is Edo and you have already tried painting him as the bad guy here Hiraki.

Also Vax, I assume you're a VI or recruited if there is a cult this game. You have not helped very much this game. You refused to help me lynch a mafia poisoner. Now you refuse to help me lynch the prime baddie candidate out of everyone here.

I know Edo got more sense in him though. So I'm not worried. Town will win this game.

Real talk? No im not culted.

1. Can you point to some of these games?
2. It's bastard, and to me it seems like a good way to balance town out.
3. For the unclaimed shot.

It seems unlikely to me that it was town aligned, its possible but seems unlikely. Town COULD have shot then become recruited and decided against claiming the shot? But why? They shot as town in teh first place, so why not claim it? So, probably not town, unless its a very embarrassed town member for screwing things up, but taht would require them to make up a fake role too! So, even more unlikely.

So that leaves us with scum. So I see the makeup right now as:
1 scum
1-2 cult
2-3 town

The good news is that when 1SVT flipped he flipped as 1 shot, so the other scum likely already used thier 1 shot as well, so we shouldnt have any more kills, only lynches, so the game is in town's hands!

4. You probably dont have a neighborizer, you are likely just a cult recruiter. Why would a neighborhood run out of time? Maybe you get it as part of your cult? But only for a period of time?

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So about to lose our Neighbourizer PT due to it only lasting 2 day cycles. That's fine, I trust ASP and he can out his role if he wishes.

Why don't you give us his role and he gives us his name?

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Also, let him tell us who he used it.

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@comm

I asked just for the role, but its too late now. It wouldn't have been a hard tell anyway, but I wanted the name to come from ASP himself to make sure you weren't making up stuff for him.

@ASP Please confirm and also tell us who you blocked and waht night.

@Hiroki Does your role PM explain what the doc does? Can you give us some more wording from it?

[Vaxkiller]

We basically needs edo's vote on comm, because ASP will likely not vote him.

[Vaxkiller]

We will have to wait until hes prodded again in a day

[Vaxkiller]

Also @Vax... Looks like you needed to help me lynch Hiraki with Edo's help.

Yup, I called that wrong

[Vaxkiller]

Hiraki betrayed me -_-

I was really looking forward to playing with you, but i panicked!

[Vaxkiller]

I got a day vig.

I had a blast.

9/10
10/10 with rice.

Would play again!

Never played a night less game before, and I was really digging the fast pace of the game.

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@comm, yea I was a little worried, because 2 shot doc seemed to be giving town too much utility, but then again, I was part of that "fake" utility. So I was hesitant to say something.

I should have known better, hiroki would have known before I did about the cult being the majority... I had to point it out.

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Lol. Vax shot to save himself all along.

I was like "I'm going to shoot Alisea. There is no possible way for anyone to think it could be anyone else but me, but I can use that argument as to why it WASNT me"

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@SAD, thanks for being "Jonny on the spot" with flipping and such!

Makes me want to play some more fast paced games.