Micro 699: Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright [Game Over]

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VOTE: Dreal

Obviously some sort of crazy gambit!

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Actually

VOTE: WhyMafia

Pokemon is life, how did I miss that?

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Pretty sure the claim was a joke claim. Unsure why it is being pushed like this

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We got our selves a 1v1 over Pokemon here.

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Everything Dreal's done thus far has been forced seeming.

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I mean, yeah, I wasn't actually saying we should go ahead and lynch it. I can see town perspective with how gems posting too.

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We really have nothing to go off of so far. It makes sense that this game is starting off slow.

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I don't like that pokemon vs I don't like pokemon thing going on. Let's lynch that. I don't think he's joking.

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Meh, he's already L-2. We gotta do something. Mass claim everyone? LOLOLOL

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Like I'm mostly not even kidding at this point. We've had 4 days of basically nothing here. Either that or bring Why to L-1.

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See, and we're out of RVS.

Ask, and you shall receive.

Also, with the potential mass claim thingie, I'd happily claim first if we wanted.

VOTE: Drealmerz77

Sure, I'll fight back.

gerry is the one that said "let's do something..." I am a 22 year old male; I'm impressionable!!!

Also, I forgot that this was a holiday weekend. I don't have family, so I don't necessarily keep track of when holidays are. LOL

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Also, if Dreal wants to use some of that self meta, so should I.

Me posting stuff and being impatient is NAI.

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No clue. But scum usually defend that kind of stuff to seem townie. I don't think I've ever actually seen a scum try and go along with a mass claim when the game doesn't actually call for it.

Oo, yay. I get to do more self-meta.

I'm not shakey as scum in my posts. Just finished a game where the mods were talking prior to, and during, about how genuine I come off as scum.

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my turn? Gonna do it anyways, and it may be the dumbest thing ever, but with dreal's informed stature from earlier, I do feel kind of confident with it. I am Ryoma, Town Crown Prince, ability is raijinto, i get to choose a target, and then lightnin' stuff comes down, and goes boom boom, pew explosion, and they become unable to do anything that night, but they can't be killed either. So I'm a JK. And don't worry, I'll hit scum toNight, guys. Town people, don't shoot me. If you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

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Also

Unvote

Now that stuff is happening, I don't actually want me vote there.

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I have information

we have non-mafia killing roles/PRs in this game

Is this all to yours? The fact that this came out early, and then a killing role came out, I didn't want to get shot. It specifically says killing roles/PRs? As in plural?

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I paraphrased my role description, if you couldn't tell.

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ohmy, boonskiies definitely needs to die and is super-likely scum

Like I said, if you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

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Also, you didn't answer the plural question, which I believe is a pretty valid question.

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Because this is optimal scum play that I'm doing right now.

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Technically, I think I'm pretty confirm able if Stone and I predecided to hit the same target toNight. But I'd rather try and stop scum from making a kill. One of us would probably die in the night, though. Probably him because I've got pressure on me. But then we'd at least have proof his kill didn't go through.

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I mean, at this point, now scum has to decide if they want to shoot me or let me live, which is a danger to them, so I like that.

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Why would I WIFOM it up in this case? I'm generally a very safe scum player that plays with risky gambits in the safest way possible.

And you don't think I could just be a selfish town player? (to be fair, I'm happy with my play thus far as a Town JK.) I really don't care if you all mass claim. I just wanted to get the game going, and potentially claim. Wasn't sure if I wanted to go through with outting my JK. You brought up the informed of non mafia killing roles. That made sense to me as a JK. Now, SC (and potential other killing roles) has a better shot at hitting scum and a better chance of not hitting me, unless they just want to kill me, that is, which is also acceptable. It gets rid of the paranoia for them. Regardless, I'm not a day 1 lynch here, and there are plenty of ways to deal with me other than lynching. For instance, SC and I could target the same person, although that gets rid of my potential killstop.

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Why would I WIFOM it up in this case?

way* not case.

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and say I become conf town? What would you do then?

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And don't worry, I'll hit scum toNight, guys. Town people, don't shoot me. If you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

How will we know if you "hit" scum tonight. They could very well do a no kill gambit. Could they not?

I mean, sure, but that's super risky if I actually end up hitting them. And if they do a NK gambit, then SC and I are both safe anyways, so that's cool.

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or he could just be scum full of it, which is much more likely

I'm only full of it when I'm town.

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To be fair, I don't have much experience playing with most of you. I've played a few times with Jason, and I believe I've played with WhyMafia before. But even then, it's not like we know each other well. I don't know if I have any finished games with anyone else here, so with my loud and obnoxious playstyle, I do tend to get scum read with the unfamiliarity when I'm town.

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I don't. And I don't necessarily see it as anti-town. I do usually figure out who scum are in most of my town games, and I'm generally not lynched early in games. And I usually put enough of my thoughts out that people start to town read me anyways.

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Let's say that you and I miraculously switched bodies and thought processes for a second, and you knew I was town. As a town JK, who now knows there is confirmed town killing roles, in a 9 player game (i'm still weary of the plural or not), with players I don't generally know, I see myself as a very potential night kill target from Vig's and a less likely mafia kill. With SC claiming his thing, I felt safe to claim mine, as it allows SC to use his ability elsewhere, it allows me not to have to JK him to protect him from a NK, as now scum has to think about either killing me or allowing me to live due to the rest of the game's paranoia, which is dangerous in it's own right for them. There's also the potential that I can successfully protect both of us from a NK if I can narrow down the targets who won't be making a kill.

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Whymafia is L1

He's L-2. I unvoted.

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Hey Drealmerz7 I feel like you're scum. anything to say?

you can't read me for shit

I could say the same to you.

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and say I become conf town? What would you do then?

Role != Alignment

I was more saying regardless of role. Like if something happened that confirmed me as town. Was just a hypothetical.

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Whymafia is legit pretty scummy

I feel the same.

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and I believe I've played with WhyMafia before

Nope! I've only played 1 full game of forum maf on a different site (died n1 )
I'm currently playing a newb game though. You're not in it, so you haven't

i think this may change my prior post.

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Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice.

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I feel like that could go in the obnoxious category. To be fair, we've had out there and ridiculous play everywhere, so if that wasn't there, i feel it would obnoxious.

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a mass claim and a no lynch both considered and brought up within 7 pages of game start, lol.

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This makes no sense. Dreal says he was informed of killing roles on town, and stone cold has claimed already. Why would dreal actively go against his own evidence when Stone Cold has a good chance of proving he is what he says he is....-.- Yeah, scum can be informed of town roles too.

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I have information

we have non-mafia killing roles/PRs in this game

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it's part of his role. Informed is a thing. I usually see it on scum, though, but this is a cabd game.

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Yeah, but I outted to counter that point. Now they can shoot me instead of him. I'm selfless. ;0

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Regardless, you are voting him for something you think was bad play, but seems like you are just stating that it's bad town play. I don't necessarily think it was that bad of a play, it did help us get things rolling in this game.

I think SC should be off limit for the day.

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That's how I think Vig should be played too! But the last time I fake claimed vig, people got on my case for it!!! (it was actually in the last Cabd Fire Emblem game.

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To be fair, Gerry was playing in a way to get PL'd. I think the meta case would point to him as town, if anything.

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Lol, Maria is afraid of getting shot.

VOTE: Maria

She started that read within the first few posts and now she's just sticking to it to try to get a lynch. Especially after SC claimed. I already explained why SC should not be the lynch toNight.

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I've been ignoring my scum read for a bit anyways on Maria because I was thinking about JK'ing her, but then I realized SC would probably shoot her anyways, so I like this for toDay's lynch.

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And Maria put down a Severa scum read without even commenting on Jason's top town read of Sev? I don't think so.

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Lol, Maria is afraid of getting shot.

VOTE: Maria

She started that read within the first few posts and now she's just sticking to it to try to get a lynch. Especially after SC claimed. I already explained why SC should not be the lynch toNight.

You think I'm scared of getting shot? Please nothing scares me. I didn't even know SC claimed vig
UNVOTE:

It's unlikely scum have a vig but not impossible

What is this...what...is this...dreal claimed he had informed knowledge of town killing roles.

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You realize I've already claimed as well, right?

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If it matters, I just played Cabd's last fire emblem [fates] game, I was scum, and we had special powers, one of which revolved around stating part of the flavor (an orb color which we chose prior to role pm's being sent out (might have been after alignments given, but not the roles), and if we stated correctly, it would be a strongman kill. Guess wrong, it was a loud scum kill. Something similar could be here.

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Man, that means I'm dead toNight, haha.

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Too bad we don't know it.

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Kaze would be a good fakeclaim if Severa's true flavor is Saizo.

Compulsive commuter is a cute scum claim.

I don't think it would be. If the other scum dies, sev couldn't explain night kills, if he got caught.

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I won't vote SC.

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Dreal, even if you think it's bad, you can't deny that it's town af.

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We're not nolynching, LOL. Worst case scenario, we all fold and just lynch Jason.

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VOTE: Severa

Sure. Self-vote was bleh, and her whole "Maria or me toDay. 1v1 no one else is lynched" was bad considering now she's moved within a page after...

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I have some information to share. One of the roles with information is scum.

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Finally. I'm really starting to get agitated by people replacing out of games. Stop making the games and getting scum read personal. It's not personal, at all. It's mafia. Need to learn to accept it.

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I guess Dreal's is more okay, but I don't necessarily think you needed to know the flavor for this.

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Unvote

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VOTE: Maria

Back to this. Unfortunately, the severa replace out makes me feel its town. I hate replace outs.

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I feel SC is town too.

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like, I'd defend that if it was getting wagon'd pretty hard.

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Oh the godfather thing. Godfathers arent bastard

but they aren't normal.

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I didn't know this game was following normal rules...oops.

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oh, we aren't. just not bastard. then godfather is fine, if it isn't going by normal game rules.

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grey area, so no, i wouldn't say they are bastard

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it does say all normal roles...hmm. See, not everyone knows that godfather isn't normal anymore, because that was changed from how it originally was, so the question is would it be considered for this.

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wait, it is explicitly non normal. not even gray area.

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Boon do you remember anyone having "informed" roles in the previous Fire Emblem?

I don't think there were any.

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It's the new sitemeta

God I need to start hunting. Let's start here!
VOTE: Boon
476 looks really faked to me.

I mean, I'm known for being incredibly genuine as scum, and things seem fake all the time when I'm town, so....

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No Gamma, you don't get it. It's also his defeated tone that makes it scummy.

How am I defeated at all? When I'm defeated, I spam entire pages of games with self pity.

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Also, just putting it out there, scum players who aren't familiar with me, do usually tend to push me early in games.

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so therefore you're town?

pedit: it just comes off that like "Oh...okay then..." Sorta like thatish.

So? I do that stuff all the time.

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OH NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I GUESS I MUST BE SCUM THEN!

I mean, I don't actually know. But if you or Maria end up flipping scum, the streak continues.

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Like, there's no scum motive in my early claim.

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So of course, I'll feel anyone who pushes it is just trying to get rid of a PR.

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Oh you claimed early?
UNVOTE:
Let me go see it then.

2nd page, I think.

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4th page, my bad.

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i think i'd rather lynch someone trying to lynch Jason. If they flip scum, id say that clears Jason up.

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Solid. let's lynch Maria.

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VOTE: Maria

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Why do you want Maria?
In my experience they can be rather lynchbaity.

sure, but can't really use that as an excuse for when she rolls scum?

Boon, Jasson, Stone, Garrybote: You said you like these for town, great.

I waffled on the Severa lynch prior to the replace out. So I don't want that.

I don't actually think the Dreal slot (Gamma helped this) is scum, unless they are scum with informed knowledge of town killing roles, and decided to tell the town that.

Which leaves Maria, Alisae, and WhyMafia.

Why could be scum, but I see him as lynch bait. Also, he needs to post or he will be the lurker lynch...at least when he comes in he posts.

I have thought Maria was scummy the entire game. Even when she is posting, she's not really doing much. And if her role really "counter claims" mine, we've already had like 4 claims toDay, I don't see any reason for her to hold off from claiming except to try and get me mislynch, then claim tomorrow when she can figure out some more info in regards to "countering" my claim.

And Alisae defending just seems like defending of a buddy.

I'm probably not moving off of Maria toDay.

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Can we get the original post updated with replacements, when you get the chance, Cabd? I keep mixing them up.

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wow it seems like you gained nothing from our interactions

I mean, I was going to JK your slot toNight after the Maria lynch anyways.

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Goodie! I Like this! I'm reflexive btw.

interesting. if I hit you, though, you wouldn't be?

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Also, when I said your slot, was referring mostly to Bellsprout.

Which brings me back to WhyMafia being anti pokemon, GET OUTTA HERE!!!

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boon, do you make color wheels as town?

yeah.

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I was thinking about it, but i might save it for tomorrow if I live. I've put a lot of my thoughts here for the day.

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hammer maria...someone do it.

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meh...I don't like the switch off.

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Okay Boon, I got an answer to my question. You get priority over me therefore you don't get benefits from my reflexive

agh. I'm unsure if this is a scum slip or not. This is posted assuming that she sees the JK at face value like it's 100% confirmed...but it's not something I want to push a case off of.

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don't understand why that's unlikely. You die with people, i stop the deaths. wifom up the wazoo.

VOTE: Alisae

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Messenger - SC
A town killing role - informed by Dreal/Gamma
JK - Me
BG - Maria
Reflexive Doctor - Alisae
informed of a god father- Jason
informed of a town killing role - Gamma


Yeah, I think Alisae is confirmed scum. If she were town, I could just target her and we would get dual protection, right?

Wait, no...I'd role block her. Okay, so it can work as Town/Town. I really don't know what's scum here. Maybe I misread my role pm...LOL

Unvote

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I don't understand why us being informed of godfather matters with this setup.

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Someone posted in the last FE game that Cabd gives good fake claims and I believe I read somewhere Cabd likes to put scummy role on town, and townie roles on scum.

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I think I'm going to go towards Jason.

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A third of the player list.

Fuck, just woke up.

The thing is, Maria would die with hers. I actually don't necessarily see this as likely to be a No Kill despite the protective roles. Could happen, but not that likely.

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Wait, Vax claimed commuter too...hmm.

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I mean Severa did.

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mm...I don't understand the point of the informed godfather.

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VOTE: Alisae

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Need a lynch. Vote Jason, Alisae.

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technically I shoot ightnin' bolts, and render them incapable of using their powers, but also unable to be night killed.

I am a town JK.

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VOTE: Jason

I believe that's the hammer.

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I'm following Gerry on this one. There's absolutely no reason to have a godfather in this game. We don't have investigative.

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We have 10 hours til dead line.

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If there is investigative, it just leaves you and WhyMafia.

Why, you gotta post dude.

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technically I shoot ightnin' bolts, and render them incapable of using their powers, but also unable to be night killed.

I am a town JK.

Does everyone else's role have an active passive? Everyone look at your roles and tell me boons makes sense.

I'm refering to this btw.

Anyone else? Not exactly trusting Alisea at the moment

It does seem odd. How does the lightning

protect

Boonskiies?

It doesn't protect me. It's a jail keeper role, though. The flavor literally describes jail keeper, so I said jail keeper. It's just flavor dude, he lightning and whatnot.

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welp, gg. maria's scum, right?

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Is the game not over? Or does it continue?

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Like, you win separately or does it end the game?

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OK so you guys dont know my role, and when I flip you wont know my role. But know this: If I die tonight it was Boonskies.

Got that?
IF I DIE TONIGHT IT WAS BOONSKIES

dont fuck around with any wifom if i die tonight. It was boon, open and shut case.

isn't the game over?

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OK so you guys dont know my role, and when I flip you wont know my role. But know this: If I die tonight it was Boonskies.

Got that?
IF I DIE TONIGHT IT WAS BOONSKIES

dont fuck around with any wifom if i die tonight. It was boon, open and shut case.

Also, I don't understand why 1) you would be the main target to die toNight. and 2) why I'd be the obvious choice...

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Deadline approaching town lynched Jason.

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y'all wouldn't go who i wanted.

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I'm following Gerry on this one. There's absolutely no reason to have a godfather in this game. We don't have investigative.

this is suspicious. considering i never said the 2nd part at all

I never stated that you did. Now that WhyMafia's claimed, everyone has claimed other than you. And I assumed you weren't the investigative, due to you pushing Jason so hard. I'm assuming that the lyncher wasn't real now?

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I'm following Gerry on this one. There's absolutely no reason to have a godfather in this game. We don't have investigative.

this is suspicious. considering i never said the 2nd part at all

Oh, I see what you meant. The 2nd part of the thing is me convincing myself to follow you. I believe we had 8 hours until deadline when I voted.

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The dreal slot claimed that there was through informed knowledge.

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@Gamme

Are there non-mafia killing roles?

I cannot guarantee this but I do think there are

wtf
I feel like Dream and SC could've been setting up a gambit
Dream guaranteed there were non mafia killing roles

What kind of gambit do you try and pull with that. And SC has claimed that he doesn't have a kill. And he didn't do his initial claim until after I pushed for a mass claim.

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I claimed JK. I targeted Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

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Messenger - SC
A town killing role - informed by Dreal/Gamma
JK - Boonskiies
double BG/seraph knight- Maria
Reflexive Doctor - Alisae
informed of a god father- Jason
informed of a town killing role - Gamma
Informed if someone made a kill shot or not - Vaxkiller
role that makes sense to have a lot of protective - Gerry.
Unknown role

Obviously since we have only 9 people, these probably have some overlay.

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Who received Stone Cold's message? Alisae, by "the thing" do you mean the message?

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So if there is a town killing role out there, they need to claim now.

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I'm thinking Gamma is scum with informed town killing roles, I blocked Gamma from making the kill (I targeted Gamma because I had a hunch of potential scum, and I believed if Gamma was scum, he would be making the shot over any potential partner, and any potential town killing role shot Gamma, or Gamma is actually a town killing role, scum shot Gamma, and I blocked Gamma from killing/being killed.

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Like, I think we can figure this game out with a mass claim based on Night 1 actions; we basically already are there anyways.

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That's good thinking, but let me remind you that scum can also kill Gamma fairly easily too if he's town with Maria on me.

It could be very possible you blocked the scumkill, and you prevented Gamma from doing his night action.

Also, I've seen scum!dreal claim town killing before.

I'm sorta posturing here because there isn't really much to go off of, and it's start of day.

I've already stated this.

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Actually, it goes deeper than that. Everybody needs to claim before we go further and what night action was used. We should not be lynching town toDay by any means. There's more to it than just what I stated earlier on my opening day post.

Unvote

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Alisae, you don't target right? It's passive because of the reflexive?

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Actually, it goes deeper than that. Everybody needs to claim before we go further and what night action was used. We should not be lynching town toDay by any means. There's more to it than just what I stated earlier on my opening day post.

Unvote

Main reason I say this is because we're already pretty openly claimed with everything.

i don't care if you claim flavor or not, actually I'm not sure if we should claim flavor due to Maria having a role that has to do with it. But the rest do need to at least make a claim ability wise.

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@Jason - Does your role specifically state that it is a "godfather" or does it explain what the role is that is in the game?

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Messenger - SC
JK - Boonskiies
double BG/seraph knight- Maria
Reflexive Doctor - Alisae
informed of a god father- Jason
Informed if someone made a kill shot or not - Vaxkiller
role that makes sense to have a lot of protective - Gerry.
informed of a town killing role - Gamma
Unknown role/Town Killing


Stone Cold targeted Alisae. = Message sent
Boonskiies targeted Gamma. = Jailkept
Maria targeted ------
Alisae doesn't target.
Jason targeted ------
Vakiller targeted Boonskiies. = Did not perform a kill.
Gerry targeted ------
Gamma targeted ------
WhyMafia targeted ------

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For those of you who aren't as familiar with my playstyle, let me explain. Day 1's, I generally don't care what the flip is. I really don't. My entire mindset for Day 1, is to pick who I think is scum, push for it hard, and elicit reaction from everywhere in the game. I generally don't like to reevaluate on Day 1 due to it can potentially be hurtful and pointless based on no info/flips. After things happen, flips come out, or night actions go, I go into my game solving mode. Despite not having a flip, we actually have a lot of information based on the roles in the game, along with everyone being able to perform their actions last night. I then evaluate everything, and sometimes I even do a complete 180 on my reads and what not. I have thoughts about this game, and certain people I probably want to rule out as scum, but I'm going to wait until the remaining people claim/talk about their action so I don't allow people to change it based on my reads.

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@boon, gammas guilt isnt 100% here, im weighing my options on telling why.

already unvoted.

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I'm really not for everyone claiming at the start of day 2.

everyone's already claimed basically prior to Day 2. We also talked about potential massclaiming before you even replaced into the game.

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Literally the only person who hasn't said anything about what their role at this point is WhyMafia. Gerry/Jason/Gamma slot have partially claimed already, and Gamma needs to claim fully regardless due to me JK'ing him last night.

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Jason's being informed of a godfather doesn't make sense with what's outed so far, so that has to be dealt with, the town killing role (if it exists) needs to claim and say who they shot at, and Gamma needs to claim due to being JK'd.

Not just going to have 1/2 people not claim.

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the town killing role coming out will incriminate Gamma or potentially clear Gamma. Town killing role not coming out at all basically incriminates Gamma massively.

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It makes absolutely zero sense not to have everyone claim at this point.

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My ability is such that if I full claim it has almost no utility. It has lost some already tho, so I'll think on that.

But if everyone full claims, would it then gain some lust back while considering that it may help other roles out as well? In theory you can always keep yourself alive by targeting Alisae with any night kill worry.

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In theory a mass claim will confirm multiple people as town after claims and actions come out.

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Boon your play is like night/day from the other Fire Emblem game.

I was scum in that game.

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Messenger - SC
JK - Boonskiies
double BG/seraph knight- Maria
Reflexive Doctor - Alisae
informed of a god father- Jason*
Informed if someone made a kill shot or not - Vaxkiller
role that makes sense to have a lot of protective - Gerry.*
immune to town killing roles - Gamma
Unknown role - WhyMafia*
(town killing role on one of the *'s, assumed.)


Stone Cold targeted Alisae. = Message sent
Boonskiies targeted Gamma. = Jailkept
Maria targeted ------
Alisae doesn't target.
Jason targeted ------
Vakiller targeted Boonskiies. = Did not perform a kill.
Gerry targeted ------
Gamma doesn't target.
WhyMafia targeted ------

[Boonskiies]

I thought someone claimed to have a sword that killed people?

Stone Cold retracted it and said he was a messenger, which Alisae stated she got a message, but didn't say what it was. I don't think we necessarily need that right now, though.

[Boonskiies]

I realize there might be a little bit of controversy surrounding Maria's target from last night, but I actually do think it would be best if it was stated. I think it would help Town out with other peoples' roles.

[Boonskiies]

Messenger - SC
JK - Boonskiies
double BG/seraph knight- Maria
Reflexive Doctor - Alisae
informed of a god father- Jason*
Informed if someone made a kill shot or not - Vaxkiller
role that makes sense to have a lot of protective - Gerry.*
immune to town killing roles - Gamma
Novice Lie Detector - WhyMafia
(town killing role on one of the *'s, assumed.)


Stone Cold targeted Alisae. = Message sent
Boonskiies targeted Gamma. = Jailkept
Maria targeted ------
Alisae doesn't target.
Jason targeted ------
Vakiller targeted Boonskiies. = Did not perform a kill.
Gerry targeted ------
Gamma doesn't target.
WhyMafia didn't have an action Night 1 due to Novice.

[Boonskiies]

Actually, I think Gerry is town. Let him come into the thread and have him explain. I was here and there about it yesterDay, but looking at it, I think he was trolling us with the lyncher.

[Boonskiies]

This post and this post I actually felt and expected WhyMafia's claim to be investigative, despite him saying that he wasn't, so I like the claim from him. Also, I don't think WM would have claimed Novice or lie detector for that matter.

[Boonskiies]

Fine, I'll just say why I think gerry is town. Pretty sure he's our town killing role.

[Boonskiies]

Gerry stated yesterDay that he believes town would have a lot of protective roles based on his role. Why would lyncher state that?

[Boonskiies]

Fine, I'll just say why I think gerry is town. Pretty sure he's our town killing role.

@Gerry, can you confirm this for me, also, who did you shoot at? (I feel like you could have some sort of vigilante variation if you aren't a straight up vig.)

[Boonskiies]

Jason is town because they read really genuine in the twilight.

We didn't have a twilight phase. he didn't get lynched.

[Boonskiies]

Jason's being informed of a godfather doesn't make sense with what's outed so far, so that has to be dealt with,

You gotta state what your actual role is and what the informed part of it actually states.

[Boonskiies]

Jason is town because they read really genuine in the twilight.

We didn't have a twilight phase. he didn't get lynched.

Meant the fake twilight because I think we mostly thought Stone hammered.
No?

I mean, yeah, I thought he hammered, but anyone could have easily went and checked for themselves. Regardless, we have to wait for Jason to clarify on his informed of a godfather.

[Boonskiies]

@Jason - Can you paraphrase how your ability is stated? The post where I claimed and explained that lightning strikes down on my target yadda yadda is me paraphrasing my ability. I'd like you to do the same.

[Boonskiies]

Why are we trying to lynch the lyncher if you think Jason is town? Does it matter if he's alive or not? Why waste a lynch on it?

[Boonskiies]

Why are we trying to lynch the lyncher if you think Jason is town? Does it matter if he's alive or not? Why waste a lynch on it?

This shit right here is why I'm thinking Boon is a scum JK.

My Jason read is dependent on a Lyncher flip. Town would see that. Boon just wants to muddy the waters.

so? there is absolutely no reason to lynch the lyncher....especially if we aren't lynching Jason. Why do you want to lynch a lyncher instead of scum?

[Boonskiies]

Like there is 100% no reason to lynch a lyncher coming from your perspective, unless you are scum. Like at all. It literally doesn't matter if Gerry is alive if he's a lyncher and we don't lynch Jason.

[Boonskiies]

How do you not understand?

[Boonskiies]

Why are we trying to lynch the lyncher if you think Jason is town? Does it matter if he's alive or not? Why waste a lynch on it?

Well I doubt mafia will waste an NK on them

If we have a town killing that isn't X-Shot it might be a good idea to kill him

If we don't, and he survives to LYLO, what guarantees will we have that he helps town?

Definitely. If I'm wrong about Gerry being the town killing role and he is in fact lyncher, then wherever the town killing role is at, just kill him. It makes absolutely no sense to lynch him over scum. I don't understand why Stone Cold even thinks that as an option.

[Boonskiies]

Anything that isn't town must die.

Gerry can wait for d3, Boon dies today.

no. Anything that directly opposes town can die. It literally doesn't matter if he's alive. He isn't a threat to the town.


In fact, considering this is a Cabd game, he probably made it so Lyncher can win WITH us. He had a joint win with the scum from the last fire emblem game.

[Boonskiies]

Actually...

VOTE: Boonskiies

Scum JK makes sense with a scum reflexive doctor. The Jailkeeper can neutralize the reflexive protection and kill.

What the fuck?

Stone Cold is probably scum. He is trying to get a lynch to happen that makes absolutely no sense. We shouldn't care about lynching the lyncher; that hurts town incredibly as it will lower the population, scum will get another chance at a NK. Like, it doesn't matter at all if Gerry is alive.

[Boonskiies]

I've also already explained why I targeted Gamma. I saw the potential of him being scumInformed.

[Boonskiies]

Anything that isn't town must die.

Gerry can wait for d3, Boon dies today.

no. Anything that directly opposes town can die. It literally doesn't matter if he's alive. He isn't a threat to the town.


In fact, considering this is a Cabd game, he probably made it so Lyncher can win WITH us. He had a joint win with the scum from the last fire emblem game.

No. Not town = not sharing town win con.

Lyncher ONLY wins by themselves.

This is scum posting by Boon.

I mean, it's already been stated that this is Night and Day from my actual scum game, so....

[Boonskiies]

If Stone Cold is who I think it is he's town.
I have a really good record of reading that player.

If it's Grey then it makes sense why he's pushing this nonsensical votes on me and Gerry. Grey can't read me anyways, and I've never had a scum game with Grey.

[Boonskiies]

@Gamma - what does the rest of your role say about the other two characters in it?

[Boonskiies]

Like is anyone else arguing the fact that a lynch on a 3rd party lyncher, who only wins when a certain player is lynched, matters? At all? Why would we lynch a slot that would be confirmed not to be scum if you believe he's a lyncher?

[Boonskiies]

Anything that isn't town must die.

Gerry can wait for d3, Boon dies today.

no. Anything that directly opposes town can die. It literally doesn't matter if he's alive. He isn't a threat to the town.


In fact, considering this is a Cabd game, he probably made it so Lyncher can win WITH us. He had a joint win with the scum from the last fire emblem game.

No. Not town = not sharing town win con.

Lyncher ONLY wins by themselves.

This is scum posting by Boon.

I mean, it's already been stated that this is Night and Day from my actual scum game, so....

I don't give a fuck about somebody else's opinion on your meta, you're attempting to muddy the waters and that's textbook scum.

k. I'm not muddying the waters at all. Fuck off. If anything I'm the fucking god damn one that is clearing this fucking game up. You're the one that's being stupid trying to get a fucking lyncher lynched instead of scum. like god damn.

[Boonskiies]

my turn? Gonna do it anyways, and it may be the dumbest thing ever, but with dreal's informed stature from earlier, I do feel kind of confident with it. I am Ryoma, Town Crown Prince, ability is raijinto, i get to choose a target, and then lightnin' stuff comes down, and goes boom boom, pew explosion, and they become unable to do anything that night, but they can't be killed either. So I'm a JK. And don't worry, I'll hit scum toNight, guys. Town people, don't shoot me. If you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

@gamma

[Boonskiies]

@Vaxkiller - In the last Fire Emblem game, the scum had an ability to make an anonymous message during the night to the other scum team. My team did that, and that's how Vifam knew we would accept going for the joint win. With how SC is acting now, it wouldn't surprise me if there was another scum messenger. It also lets him target Alisae for protection from town NK's. LOL THAT'S WHAT HE DID!!!! I WAS JUST TYPING IT OUT!!! BUT THAT'S WHAT HE DID!!!

[Boonskiies]

Anything that isn't town must die.

Gerry can wait for d3, Boon dies today.

no. Anything that directly opposes town can die. It literally doesn't matter if he's alive. He isn't a threat to the town.


In fact, considering this is a Cabd game, he probably made it so Lyncher can win WITH us. He had a joint win with the scum from the last fire emblem game.

No. Not town = not sharing town win con.

Lyncher ONLY wins by themselves.

This is scum posting by Boon.

I mean, it's already been stated that this is Night and Day from my actual scum game, so....

I don't give a fuck about somebody else's opinion on your meta, you're attempting to muddy the waters and that's textbook scum.

k. I'm not muddying the waters at all. Fuck off. If anything I'm the fucking god damn one that is clearing this fucking game up. You're the one that's being stupid trying to get a fucking lyncher lynched instead of scum. like god damn.

You keep saying this like I'm not voting my scumread.

A scumread that happened because he's intent on muddying the waters.

A scumread that brought it on his own head by trying to call a Lyncher town.

well, you'll get lynched over me if I start to 1v1 back. But by all means, push me more with your lack of any credible reasoning.

[Boonskiies]

You think it's multi ball in a micro?

absolutely not, the point was Cabd used a messaging system within scum.

[Boonskiies]

IF the reflexive doctor is town, the Jailkeeper HAS to be scum.

Scum had to be able to counter the reflexive doctor. Jailing them does that.

And that matches up with Boon's bullshit attempt to call the Lyncher town in an attempt to muddy the waters.

Lynch Boon and keep the doctor in play.

when did I ever call him town? Like ever. That is a blatant lie. I said he's not anti-town. because he isn't. A lyncher has to lynch his target. If we don't lynch that target, then who the hell gives a fuck about the lyncher? He keeps our population up. Why waste a lynch there when we could get scum elsewhere? It's incredibly pointless to lynch a lyncher when we know who the target would be.

[Boonskiies]

@Vaxkiller - In the last Fire Emblem game, the scum had an ability to make an anonymous message during the night to the other scum team. My team did that, and that's how Vifam knew we would accept going for the joint win. With how SC is acting now, it wouldn't surprise me if there was another scum messenger. It also lets him target Alisae for protection from town NK's. LOL THAT'S WHAT HE DID!!!! I WAS JUST TYPING IT OUT!!! BUT THAT'S WHAT HE DID!!!

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS AFTER I FLIP TOWN?

YOU'RE NEXT PUNK!

I mean, I won't be. You're being incredibly ignorant. I hate that "you'll just get lynched if I get lynched" because most of the time that doesn't even happen.

[Boonskiies]

Also, if I was a scum JK, why the hell would I state I jailed Gamma? He hadn't full claimed, so I wouldn't have known if he got a result or anything. 2, there were plenty of other roles out there claimed, why wouldn't I JK elsewhere?

I actually think that makes me conf town.

[Boonskiies]

Mixed in with Vax's investigation on me. (i get that there's still that hypothetical partner business) but the claiming the JK on Gamma basically confirms me town, so you're just being stubborn and bad right now if you are town, and you're gonna get lynched for it and cost this game probably.

[Boonskiies]

Actually, I think Gerry is town. Let him come into the thread and have him explain. I was here and there about it yesterDay, but looking at it, I think he was trolling us with the lyncher.

VOTE: Boonskiies

read the god damn fucking post. I stated I think he's a fucking Vig. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of voting the lyncher on your part if you think he's a lyncher. If you think he's scum, by all means, vote him. Don't fucking vote him for being a lyncher, though.

[Boonskiies]

Also, if I was a scum JK, why the hell would I state I jailed Gamma? He hadn't full claimed, so I wouldn't have known if he got a result or anything. 2, there were plenty of other roles out there claimed, why wouldn't I JK elsewhere?

I actually think that makes me conf town.

Scum Jailkeeper to counter the reflexive doctor.

VOTE: Boonskiies

You stated Alisae was scum too, though.

[Boonskiies]

holy fuck. I am going to fucking rage out because of this god damn idiotic simpleminded play of his.

[Boonskiies]

Like, I don't understand how ignorant you have to be to state what SC is stating.

[Boonskiies]

Also, if I was a scum JK, why the hell would I state I jailed Gamma? He hadn't full claimed, so I wouldn't have known if he got a result or anything. 2, there were plenty of other roles out there claimed, why wouldn't I JK elsewhere?

I actually think that makes me conf town.

Scum Jailkeeper to counter the reflexive doctor.

VOTE: Boonskiies

You stated Alisae was scum too, though.

Sure did.

Still think that.

Jailing him is the only way you can kill.

VOTE: Boonskiies

the only way I can fucking kill what?!?!? HE WAS CLAIMED YESTERDAY. WHY THE HELL WOULDNT I HAVE TARGETED HIM LAST NIGHT WITH THAT MINDSET??!?. Boy, you really don't understand mafia...

[Boonskiies]

Just vote Stone. He's likely scum anyways.

I want Jason/Gerry to claim first.

[Boonskiies]

I don't want to lynch SC if he's just being idiot town.

[Boonskiies]

No, i believe there are more than 1 doc or w/e. based on my role

idiot or scum. Guess we'll find out which you are.

VOTE: StoneCold

[Boonskiies]

SC is blatantly trying to stop me from game solving anyways, and he was on my potential scum team that I think I was going to go through on. I had Jason/SC or SC/Alisae. Messaging to Alisae to get doc protection was a nice move.

Jason probably is scum too, especially if Gerry is a lyncher, but then we would have no town killing roles. Actually, I might have figured out where we would, but I think I'll be quiet on that.

If Gerry is in fact a lyncher in this game, I actually think Jason would be scum aligned, and then if we lynch Jason last, then both town and Gerry would win the game. That seems like something Cabd would think up.

[Boonskiies]

Boon, one of us dies today. Period.

And you're not getting within a mile of LyLo even if it's me.

I'll make damned sure if that.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Okay. I'm not dying toDay, though. I'm basically confTown.

[Boonskiies]

I am town.

[Boonskiies]

I am town.

this is for you WhyMaf

[Boonskiies]

SC is blatantly trying to stop me from game solving anyways, and he was on my potential scum team that I think I was going to go through on. I had Jason/SC or SC/Alisae. Messaging to Alisae to get doc protection was a nice move.

K, well, looks like we found the scum team.

[Boonskiies]

If I was scum, there was no reason not to JK Alisae.

[Boonskiies]

If I was scum, there was no reason not to JK Alisae.

You probably should have.

Too late now.

I mean, you have just as many votes on you, and I am, in fact, basically conf town. And you were being stupid and trying to lynch a fucking lyncher. LOL

[Boonskiies]

Like, how dumb can you be to go for Gerry.

[Boonskiies]

As scum, WHY THE HELL WOULD I TRY AND STOP GERRY FROM BEING LYNCHED!!!!! There is no scum motivation in that. Especially considering that I thought he was a town killing role. That's just bad on your part.

[Boonskiies]

As a scumJK, I'd have to target Alisae to get a kill, right? Let WhyMafia target Alisae. He'll get a guilty, and he'll be protected from death. meaning I wouldn't have blocked Alisae. I am confirmable as town. If WhyMafia dies, that means I'm scum. But he won't die because he'll be targeting Alisae and can't be night killed.

[Boonskiies]

Like, I am legit confirmable with that.

[Boonskiies]

Like, I am legit confirmable with that.

I'll be confirmed scum or town either way tomorrow with WhyMafia.

Zero reason to lynch me toDay because of that.

[Boonskiies]

Nobody died night one.


With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no-lynch. Deadline for day two is: (expired on 2017-05-11 12:49:12)

Mod note: Replacements have been noted on the roster back on page one.

LOLOLOLOL GOT EM BOYS

@gerry - this Stone Cold guy was trying to lynch you because of you being lyncher, which he believes.

[Boonskiies]

You had your chance to jail the doctor and blew it, scum.

Good thing I'm confirmable with WhyMafia.


You're just mad scum that I can get confirmed town. I basically already am, but yeah. WhyMafia targeting Alisae will confirm Alisae's alignment, and mine. If WhyMafia dies, then that means I'm scum, Alisae's town. No matter what happens with WhyMafia, we get two confirmed roles. (3 if you count WhyMafia, but he's already confTown to me.)