Micro 713: 5p Vengeful (Endgame)
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@Vij 100% THIS.In post 14, Infinity 324 wrote:Why would you want to vote yourself in RVS?-
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Mechanically speaking, self-lynching for the vig shot makes a vengeful one of the only setups where it's even plausible, but I still don't like it, and it still is more likely a scum gambit than a town one.In post 19, Tenshii wrote:I mean, do you?
Assuming he's invested into playing to his wincon, I can't see why town would offer a self lynch.
Congrats, you've done it before. I'd recommend not doing so. I dunno where else you play, but here on MS, its highly frowned upon. Also, what sort of wording is the bolded?In post 20, Vijarada wrote:like i can find you examples of me self-voting as town. i'm not offering myself as a lynch, just saying it gets good reactions. Apparently even threatening it does.I don't want to die here as scum either, lol.-
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In post 26, Vijarada wrote:Because you guys were like "why the fuck would you say that" "100% this" "if he's town, he's playing against his wincon" "FOS vij, he's bluffing having a vengeshot" (FOS I Havent seen in years so thanks for making me laugh). You guys went in real hard.
In any instance, town want to stay alive so as to prevent scum from getting closer to the majority. A self-vote here is highly frowned upon, and you will get lynched for it quickly (see your linked game), so as town it's decidedly against win condition to vote for yourself. We can debate this all you want, but a mechanic issue isn't going to get us very far as far as solving this game.In post 29, Vijarada wrote:what have i done against town wincon?
Where's the other dude?-
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I'm trying to work that one out. Gut lean town, but I want an answer to my 32. "I don't want to die here as scum..." is a very interesting way of phrasing things. I don't want to think this game will come down to a scumslip like that, but I want to know what the hell was meant by it.In post 34, Infinity 324 wrote:Vij, why didn't you say that it was a joke in 16. ASP, what's your read on vij?
I could go for a Mort lynch. Recent posts look more like busy-work than actual scumhunting. And re: 37, yeah you. Forgot your name.-
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As much as I disagree with any town having a mindset of "maybe I should self-vote", my gut tells me that scum wouldn't be that ballsy in a vengeful. And whether it was preconceived or not, it got the game moving and gave us something to talk about. I may not agree with the mechanic behind it, but I don't think scum would've made such a move.In post 60, Tenshii wrote:@ASP
Why do you have Vij as "gut lean town" and why would you be willing to lynch Mort?
In terms of Mort, like I previously said, a lot of his posts were nothing more than fancy busy-work. Examples include 36 (just listing off responses to other posts), 38 (asking a question and then offering his own answer to it), and after my post commenting on it, 46, specifically the first bullet, "I think I was talking about"... does he not even know what he was talking about? That further suggest to me that he was saying things to look active and engaged rather than to actually gain anything from what he was offering.
Yknow what, sure.
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Why? I don't see what you're getting at.
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"Obviously"? I don't see anything obvious. If anything, it's just based on the gut feeling that scum wouldn't theorize over self-voting. What about Mort is town to you?In post 86, Vijarada wrote:
Yeah, I was saying I disagreed with the push on Mort, although I could be convinced. And I said I was looking at inf as my strongest scumlean at that time.In post 82, A Simple Plan wrote: @Vij, re: 78: what you're saying is, you're hedging on Inf, and are against voting Mort?
Re: whether I agree with 77 obviously I'm town so the first half is true, and I think Mort is town as well. As to whether the interactions make it impossible for ASP/Mort to be a scumteam, I don't think that's relevant to what my thoughts are right now. And as I said, Tenshii's push to lynch because of these early associative tells, I'm very wary of.
If Inf is your strongest scumlean, who's the partner? Does that make Mort your strongest townread?
Re:36: TBH, that's what it is, is a collection of responses. It doesn't get anything done. It's there to make itIn post 91, MortFeld wrote:*Irrelevant material removed*The implication here is that my 36 will
1. not help other people sort me and
2. not help other people sort other people
i.e. that it is just a random collection of responses with no motion toward game solving. I really disagree with this and I really hate how flippantly he reduced the post to 'useless collection of responses'.I literally don't even do this and don't know what he's referring to so this is a misrep.
Or I often forget my specific thought processes when I have long stretches of time between posting and reading next. This is scummy because?In post 61, A Simple Plan wrote: and after my post commenting on it, 46, specifically the first bullet, "I think I was talking about"... does he not even know what he was talking about? That further suggest to me that he was saying things to look active and engaged rather than to actually gain anything from what he was offering.Oh, what the hell! Why don't I just vote my scumread. Why not!
That'swhat we're supposed to do.looklike you're getting things done.
Re:38: Then what do you call the below?
Re:46: So what you're saying is that you don't pay close enough attention to know what your reads are and why from post to post? If you're not keeping up with where people stand, yes, it's definitely scummy. If it's too long between posts for you, make notes somewhere, or reread the whole two pages to figure out where your thought process was at the time, but assuming that's what was going on shows the lacking level of effort I expect from someone who just wants to create a mislynch.In post 38, MortFeld wrote:
Do you think it was only a joke, or was it a joke + also purposeful?In post 34, Infinity 324 wrote:Here's how I see what happened so far:
vij makes a joke about self-voting, or at least he says it was a joke.
This would imply that it's not only a joke, no?In post 34, Infinity 324 wrote:Me and ASP ask why he would self-vote, he answers because he wants a reaction and a quickwagon.
Re:Voting: I waited to form a more solid read because I didn't want a quickwagon based around something fleeting. My vote was because I decided evidence was sufficient; notice how nobody had voted until that point?-
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LolwutIn post 152, Not Fury wrote:
I mean, I don't give a shit what you think.In post 149, Infinity 324 wrote:That's great if you and mort are both town. So completely irrelevant for me.
Just shoot who I tell you to if you're town. Got it?
So one, there's no guarantee that's the case. Two, what the heck kind of post is this regardless of alignment for both of you?In post 154, Not Fury wrote:Mort, be quiet. You're town.
Like he's gonna listen? Your play this page alone is bad enough to warrant a lynch. You're not Town leader. You're probably not even Town. Stop acting like it.In post 155, Not Fury wrote:By the way, what do you mean "lock town on tone alone is easy to hide behind?" Vengeful mafia is beautiful because you have nothing to base your reads off of except for "feelings." I feel like I don't have to say this, but if you lynch me (what infinity wants), then I'm going to 100% every single fucking time shoot infinity.
Since I'm town, then infinity - if you're town - take the rope like a good sacrifice and shoot ASP or Vij. Thanks bruh.In post 156, Not Fury wrote:It's kinda annoying when obvscum retaliates to a lynch by calling me scum. Maybe I'm being too crass, but I'm getting annoyed especially since we're 1 vote from winning.
And between your scumplay and my early suspicions of Mort, I'd label it far more likely you're both scum.In post 158, Not Fury wrote:
Everyone read this post though until you understand it. If Mort and I are town, then it's a 100% win.In post 147, Not Fury wrote:Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.
in order of increasing likelihood of being scum:
{ASP}
{Infinity}
{Vij}
{Mort}
Though, if any one of the top 3 are scum, then shoot someone else in the top 3 and lynch the last member next day. I've found my 1 lock town this game and that's Mort. I'm town, so the game can only end like this:
Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other
Infinity flips town -> Shoot Vij or ASP (whoever you scum read the most) - > Lynch the other next day.
Some situations leave me to 1v1 in LYLO and I'm fine with that. Based on my current read, I'm not voting mort all game.
You may ask: Why vote Infinity if ASP is highest scum?
A: If he flips town, it doesn't matter (see above flow chart). I think he'll flip Godfather though.-
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In post 168, RadiantCowbells wrote:Votecount 1.07:
Not Fury (2): Infinity 324, Not Fury
Infinity 324 (1): Vijarada
MortFeld (1): A Simple Plan
A Simple Plan (0):
Vijarada (0):
Not Voting: MortFeld
With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.
zzzIn post 171, RadiantCowbells wrote:Gotcha. mb.Modthat's Vij voting NF, not NF. NF is on Inf.
Either way, NF deserves the hammer here.
VOTE: Not Fury
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