Micro 711: VJK (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't really have a grudge with anyone here
VOTE: PenguinPower

*raises hand*

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*poof*
Great point Char
VOTE: Gamma
*poof*

What did I do to you

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VOTE: Gamma
*yawn*

Why the yawn?

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Kinda pinged by him too
Why do you sr him Wis

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VOTE: ASP
Agreed with you Wisdom

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

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Not_Mafia is in this game, I consider everyone hated until he is either dead or we can trust he will not hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Prod dodge holy shit this game is slow
While I get the feeling Wisdom is town I don't quite support the ASP wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI that was my first ever true prod dodge

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda SRing Charizard for his most recent post, seems extremely fillery, and the intent of Wisdom's post was obvious.
VOTE: Charloux

[Gamma Emerald]

Prod dodge holy shit this game is slow
While I get the feeling Wisdom is town I don't quite support the ASP wagon

Why? You said you agreed before

I just feel inda squicked by how the wagon faced p much no resistance

[Gamma Emerald]

*sigh*
SickofIt.
Sorry, buddy. We had a good run. I don't think I Micro has been won in 2 pages, so we have that at least.

FYI I think a Micro

has

been won on page two: there wa a game BTD6_maker had in his sig that was very short. It was called confirmed guilties or something.

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Micro 641: Confirmed Guilties (Game Over)

Infinity 324 the Mafia Goon has been lynched

TOWN WINS

Scum Team

farside22
Infinity 324
Creature
Fire Starter


So... as I said before, you have to be careful your setup isn't broken. I need to look back to see whether they followed one of CFJ's setups or whether they messed up an element.

Here's the game ending post.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma

Why? Is it because I changed my thoughts on ASP?

[Gamma Emerald]

Phone posting. His 69 feels really fake.

Not really a fan of him dI going up that game either

...I could go TB right now too for chastising me given his contributions.

What @ the bolded

[Gamma Emerald]

What Micro game?

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Oh that
WHat the fuck is scum indicative about that?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Gamma Emerald]

Hai beeboy

[Gamma Emerald]

I expect to not have WiFi for about a week. This might cause issues if I hit my data limit. So

V/LA until further notice

I will take this as the maximum V/LA- five days. -MM4

[Gamma Emerald]

My V/LA will end on Tuesday: the new apartment gets WiFi then.

I forgot about this game tbh ;-;

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh TB's posts feel forced so I could vote him

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Sure
VOTE: ThinkBig

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Why not 2 more? That's what's needed for lynch.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have my own read I believe in Wisdom, not sheeping

[Gamma Emerald]

I ISOed before voting and saw TB's scumplay

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably going to not be posting from Sunday to Tuesday, low on data

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Why is ASP scum

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tb is not scummy
Asp is scummy
Youre getting lynched next

Wisdom might be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

i have another idea
Asp gets lynched, then you get lynched regardless of what he flips because your defending is scummy as fuck even if hes town

No it isn't

[Gamma Emerald]

Your avi suggests otherwise....

That's Light Yagami fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

waiting for the cc

zzz

[Gamma Emerald]

it is
Asp is scummy and pp defending him looks like wking if asp is town after all

How

[Gamma Emerald]

1) was squicked off the wagon
2) why is pp scum for his defense, it reads neutral to me

[Gamma Emerald]

See, gamma? He has defended asp and pushed his counterwagon to death yet he calls it a null read

Let's lynch TB first, if he flips town we lynch PP, ASP is a no go for now

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no
Scum-PP could have been WKing town-ASP, which looks like the case if we have no cc

Quote the posts where I am defending/whiteknighting ASP, plzkthx.

I think it's obvious

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PP what is your ASP read?

Null. Your push on him for his first post is fairly weak.

Ok.

Sickofit fos ASP for misreading the context. Given my meta of sickofit, I need to lower my bar for him and re-evaluate my fos at sickofit. However, him sheeping GE @ Charloux confuze me.

Wisdom scumread PP for context where my gut says both are right.

My mind shouts "Everything is NAI" and given this low amount of info, megonna townread Charloux although I completetly disagree with the townread.

I somewhat feel secure with beeboy? Maybe her/his/they avi influences me?

VOTE: NM
VOTE: GE

Yes, I told you I'm double voter.

Why did you vote me??????

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Nah, maybe I should commit.

VOTE: NM

Mostly due to POE which boils down to {Beeboy, NM, GE} add some guts and I have some meta where I can kinda smell when NM is being troll-town and NM is being troll-scum.

For Wisdom, Duck! Duck! Goose! for meta reference of scum!NM. I mod that game and I remember that you're so frustrated.

For GE, COJ's Maze for meta reference of town!NM. It's one of the final games of Vedith. May God bless him and his ultimatum tunnel. I like his stubborness when I'm not on the receiving end.

Realeo, I know you as an analytical player. Why so simplistic?

You can't seriously expect me to draw comprehensive conclusion from 7 pages of info.

It's 9 pages

The first 2 pages are RVS so doesn't count.

Oh btw Vedith is back now
I had a conversation with him over PM

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Actually I don't really see that much, just one post that could be seen that way tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you unvote Realeo

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I'd be down for voting PP
Think he could be a TB buddy, I've back off a scumbuddy because of a replacement before

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

Why is this?

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What made you think so?

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Wisdom, still would like to know why you SR me

[Gamma Emerald]

so officially no cc
me is sad

anyway, gamma/nm

Why the fuck do you say this
As scum with NM I let him lolhammer and say "lolmeta", like, do you think the game would seriously be like this with this pairing

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Why???? That was a half-decent read. Hmmm...

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PP do you still want to lynch me

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Um not quite
I didn't state that exactly, I said could consider voting PP
Also I don't think I ever remember Wisdom EVER explaining reads like this: can someone talk to me about that? Is it a alignment tell at all?

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PP do you still want to lynch me

Why???? That was a half-decent read. Hmmm...

so officially no cc
me is sad

anyway, gamma/nm

Why the fuck do you say this
As scum with NM I let him lolhammer and say "lolmeta", like, do you think the game would seriously be like this with this pairing

Wisdom, still would like to know why you SR me

What made you think so?

VOTE: gamma

Why is this?

questions, questions, questions

And zero progression

This is just gamma trying to appear like he cares about things

Um what the fuck is this? You just answered the last 4 (in that quote) and the first two have a specific train of thought to them.

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Wait what
If that's the case I'm gonna LMAO because that's never the case

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nah, hes not like that as town

I'm looking through past games for this but I think that's actually a recent shift in playstyle

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No

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LOL
I'm fairly certain scum is Wisdom/PP
VOTE: Wisdom

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom and PP had a lot of conflict but suddenly it's gone. That heavily suggests scum distancing.

[Gamma Emerald]

>Your willingness to vote each other has dropped
>You both think it's me/NM

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Where did I state I scumread Wisdom?

Also, I think it's N_M. I'm fine with your lynch though. I never said it was you/N_M

You like putting words in my mouth.

You said "ofc you don't want to". I guess I read into this too much. I read that you were calling me scum with NM.
You didn't scumread Wisdom but you were certainly wanting to lynch him at times

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What I was thinking of wrt to you wanting to lynch Wisdom was the read bargaining you were doing

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Hiraki, me, NM
l-2

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tbh I think I have an idea for an NM tell based on me seeing him as scum in Open 662

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I think his scumplay is to try to play seriousish but do the bare minimum
Based on how I caught him for his scumhunting that game

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I think he's town since I can get his questioning

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NM claim

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Vig exists too

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Tell me why he's scum

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WHo is your town pool and why

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What
Can you explain that? You've said you are not native speaking so I'll chalk it up to that but I'm still confused af.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't remember lane's history of reading me, but that's prob cuz we've playing twice and both were before my hiatus
iirc he scumread me in mini 1840, not sure on micro 660

[Gamma Emerald]

Um I have been productive this whole game I believe, maybe not at the same level across the board, but certainly at times

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UNVOTE:
Real is right
Let's just hope vig isn't blocked

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until Thursday

[Gamma Emerald]

Nooooooo
Thanks Real for getting me vigged
Jackass

[Gamma Emerald]

Real is town unless he has God Tier powers of making it look like he is sorting players.

intent to hammer Not_Mafia

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Unless vig shoots right in night we are in mylo

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Why

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Can someone case beeboy pls

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Hi
I feel somewhat lost rn
Guess I'll attempt to reread

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I thought I did

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I have formed a readlist based on recent developments
Wisdom is conftown since we know vig got a kill through and didn't try to kill him.
Hiraki is a townread since I'd figure he would have not tried to NL as scum.
Lane is a weak townread for his last post. I figured scum would try to discredit me or something
Therefore I'm willing to vote PP or beeboy

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VOTE: beeboy

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh since like late D1 iirc
Also fun fact, this setup feels like a smaller form of Tit for Tat in regard to what roles it has

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Explain that vote on me then

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Wisdom I'm not happening today
Looking at the vote I'm like 80% sure on that
Hiraki TRs me so all the others have to pool in and vote me

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Maybe that slot will vote me
But what about Lane?

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Wisdom why the fuck are you being so stubborn here
What will you do upon my town flip?

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Who is your vig pool upon my town flip?

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Yeah no
I know it's like, *your thing*, but can you stop tunneling me?

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I'm town

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PoE
I townread Lane off of his response to my "I thought I posted that" thing.
Hiraki's attempt to push NL doesn't align with what I think scum would do.
As much as I hate it you are confirmed to be the vigilante.

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Hopkirk if you're leading up to a vote on me do it instead of causing suspense
Scumfuck

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm spammy since I have trouble thinking of everything I want to say
Also when you're done can you put all of your points on me together

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Hopkirk, you should give it up. I've already got you. You lost the second you only called me out on lining up lynches. Both Wisdom and PP were engaging in the same behavior. That proves you are trying to find scummy things in my posts while bypassing others' scummy posts.

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That's not a fucking trust tell: it's an analysis of what my play would have likely been as scum. I don't see any phrasing indicating a trust tell, and also,

I've never been on a scumteam with Not_Mafia in the past.

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That's because I left out a "would", which I felt was implied.
And actually I have rolled Scum with NM
But the point still stands: I meant something other than what you interpreted as.

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I can see how you reached that conclusion though; if you really believe what you say, bring it up with MarioManiac or the listmods.

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Actually I'll bring that post up to the mod myself and see what he thinks.

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And like trust tells require a long standing established pattern
A good example is Boon's self-voting tell: he would only do it as Town to the point it was labeled a trust tell by mods.
I've only had one game where I could have possibly done that. No matter whether I did, it doesn't matter since it's not a pattern yet.

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Actually I'll bring that post up to the mod myself and see what he thinks.

Also forget this

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I don't like that gamma reads you as town over weak reasons and you're cool with it.

What, are you against town blocking together?

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Well I feel scum is more likely to attack weak reasoning from a past game with lane so ur scum bro

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Cmoooooon
Ask me about the game
Aaaaaah I'll take the initiative here
Just gimme a second

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I was wrong on the penguin -_-
That means one of my TRs was wrong
Need to re-evaluate based on overall play

[Gamma Emerald]

Given the fact Mafia has daytalk I'll prob be searching for awkward read turns from Laneslot/Hirakislot

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry got distracted.
Will work on this soon.

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Just from what I'm seeing right now I'm already getting a certain preference for lynching
About to get to this. Just need to get a few other things managed.

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It's Gamma. I'm not fighting you lane since I am highly doubtful that you're scum.

566 just highlights how my read progressed but didn't finish the thought. I did not buddy to you in anyway.

I'd like to know what makes you think it's me.
Also why not criticize my read on Lane too?

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At the bottom of page 3 rn

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At the bottom of 15

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I'm writing my analysis down on paper
I have a lot more notes on Hirakislot than Laneslot rn

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All finished rereading Lane and Hiraki's slots

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to also ISO beeboy at some point
but I need a break first

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Well if you're going to be that way, I'll just say what I think now.
I think Hiraki is the mafia. I reread both slots and throughout the entire game Hirakislot pinged my scum radar much more than Laneslot.
Also the fact Hiraki is trying to rush things before I have a chance to ISO Hopkirkslot says a lot to me.

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That said I still intend to ISO Hopkirkslot. Just because I feel strongly one way doesn't mean I should slack off.

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momo's posts are completely useless, onto beeboy and hopkirk

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Oh btw because of Hopkirk's trust tell push on me I should be obvtown.

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I see shading of Laneslot and some FOSing of Hiraki from Hopkirkslot. Points to Hiraki being mafia since I would expect scum to shade their partner.

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Also the fact Hiraki is trying to rush things before I have a chance to ISO Hopkirkslot says a lot to me.

Yes, I am trying to rush you super hard.

Is this serious or sarcastic?

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Oh btw because of Hopkirk's trust tell push on me I should be obvtown.

Thoughts on this?

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I'll get to actually putting out the case soon.
You DID rush my conclusions.

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Yes. I wanted to give my take on the situation before Lane hammered things.

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Now, do you just want the case on you or my entire thoughts?

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I looked at beeboy and momo too
Momo turned up nothing, most of the Lane shading was from beeboy

[Gamma Emerald]

I intended to write my case, forgot, and now am about to be able to get back on my computer so I'll wait until then to make it.

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Covering Sickofit posts first.

That escalated quickly.
I like it.

VOTE: A Simple Plan

Thats L-1

The vote that made me concerned. This lightly points to Sickslot scum, but my reaction heavily points to town. Why would I back off if I was scum? I had legitimate reason to be on the wagon, and others would be FOSed before me if it went through.

Nobody is talking . VOTE: Sickofit

All aboard the pain train.

This self-vote would be alright

if he did anything with it

. I assume he intended to execute Fong's Gambit here. there were definitely followers so he should have gotten something. So it's basically just posturing.

@ASP

Nobody has offered anyone worth anyone's time yet in this game.... why point ou wisdom of all people?

Challenging his push on me.

...looks like shade throwing to me

VOTE: ASP yeah I think I'll sit here for a while.

These reasons for voting ASP are ehhh, I think it's a stretch.

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WHY

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Like
why the fuck would scum fish for a modkill on their partner
unless you can answer that I'm declaring you horrible at mafia

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Like
why the fuck would scum fish for a modkill on their partner
unless you can answer that I'm declaring you horrible at mafia

This is serious Lane
If you can't explain this I'm never trusting your scumhunting abilities again.

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Well I didn't think about that. I thought Lane was a good enough player to analyze interactions as-is and draw the right conclusion.
I was dead fucking wrong.

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I think it's okay, might be a bit townsided
When I first saw this I was like "this could work in Matrix6" but it got shot down hard ;-;

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Eh
tbh MM4 I don't think town would appreciate getting vigged in a newbie

[Gamma Emerald]

Given that Hopkirk explained it decently in a way that kinda makes the hole matter moot I'll forgive you
Why did you change your scumread?

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If you find calling oneself obvtown scummy there's no hope for you

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That's why I tried to present reasoning of why I was obvtown to you

[Gamma Emerald]

See at least the mafia acknowledges my point.
Can we switch the alignments of Hiraki and Lane please?

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Eh
tbh you kinda deserve to win